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DNA
Jan 22, 2002, 09:37 AM
This was posted by marco114 but hasn't been given much attention yet in that thread. What do you think? At least to my untrained eye it seems like it could be true?

APPLE EMPLOYEE TELLS ALL!!!

you guys owe me BIG for this. I captured it as it was happening on a very private Hotline server with an apple employee, who's alias has been changed in this text... nothing else has been altered..

anon: the G5 will be announced next month during Seybold i think like the 22-26 or something
anon: check out the starting G5: 1.2 gig PPC G5
anon: 256 DDR Ram
anon: NVidia3 64 video
anon: USB 1.0 (unlikely 2.0 will debut now)
anon: Firewire 2.0 aka Gigawire
anon: 60 gig harddrive
anon: Superdrive
anon: Gigabit ethernet
anon: Optical port * More on this later on
anon: $1699
anon: 1.8 gig PPC G5
anon: 1 GIG DDR Ram
anon: NVidia3 64 video (dual view)
anon: USB 1.0 (unlikely 2.0 will debut now)
anon: Firewire 2.0 aka Gigawire
anon: 120 gig harddrive
anon: Superdrive
anon: Gigabit ethernet
anon: Optical port
anon: $3299

anon: SUMMER MACWORLD.........
anon:
anon: Still tentative based on market conditions, etc.
anon:
anon: iMac (new) get USB 2.0, speed bump to top end of 1.0 gig
anon:
anon: iBook get USB 2.0, whole line
anon: 1 will remian 12 inch with 600 mhz G3
anon: rest will be 14.1 inch with G4 at 667 and 867
anon: graphics will be enhanced to radeon level.
anon:
anon: G5 tower will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bumps (.2 gig each model)
anon: TiBook will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bump (.2 gig each model)

anon: As for the TiBook, it has not been forgotten either.
anon:
anon: It WILL NOT HAVE A G5.
anon: It WILL break 1 gig with the G4.
anon: Graphics will be enhanced with more RAM but will STILL BE ATI (think Radeon 2 aka 8500)
anon: Same size configurations and look
anon: NEW batterey technology, based on same tech used in iPod. LONGER run time (8 to 12 hours from tests)
anon: 3 configurations.
anon: 1.0, 1.4 and 1.8 G4 at same price points. It WILL have Firewire 2.0 (Gigawire) and USB 1.0, and airport.

anon: i got news on OS classic
anon: Classic.
anon: Well, the days of classic are limited. With OSX being primary startup..... However, look for the venerable OS 9.2.2 to have three more bigger revisions, 9.3, 9.4 and finally 9.5. Although development willstop after 9.3 which will add some additional functionality with itools and webdav, and communication, 9.4 and 9.5 will be polishing and hardware compatibility updates. Most intriguging is the concept that 9.4 and 9.5 will NOT be standalong OS. Meaning you can run classic 9.4 within OSX but NOT as its own boot. This makes for a faster experience and discards some legacy code and optimizes things a bit. Apple knows many peopel will need classic ability for another few years, but they also want to push migration of OSX, so by having a classic layer yet no separate boot support for the newer machines they solve both issues. The early builds of the OSX only classic layer are surprising with 'classic' app performamce exceeding current 9.2.2 .

anon: oh ya Apples making a digital audio program!
anon: its going to be for pros
anon: and work side by side with FCP
anon: OS X
anon: Where is it going.?
anon: 10.2 is looking like a Feb/Mar release. Most likely with the new G5 towers in Mar.
anon: Its still a housekeeping release. Speed, tweaks of interface, bug squashing, etc.
anon:
anon: But 10.3 onward is where new functionality and features show up. Look for an integrated ability to use the digital hub apps. More customizable abilities of the interface (within reason, NOT SKINS), USB 2.0 support, and better driver support and a few new things never seen on a Mac OS.

Stock. Apple has realized MacWorld only announcements don't help the financial quarters as they should. So rather than announce every six months, they want to announce every 2-3 months. This keeps Apple in the news, in press, and helps the bottom line by having a 'hot new' product every 2 to 3 months. Just the early adopters alone will boost profits for the given quarter. It makes financial sense.
nobody: we're all disgruntled apple employees!
anon: Dual processor will be an option with either 1.4 or 1.8 as a BTO option. The G5 is more complicated to make dual (beyond my technical knowledge to explain why). But its screams with dual processors.

you know running a dual G5 system is like running 8 G4's at once* 80 gigaflop/sec

crassusad44
Jan 22, 2002, 09:47 AM
Seems likely, as I did post on the last thread...
One new thing I noticed: «Apples making a digital audio program!». If this is true it would be great. An audio app to go along with FCP in OS X is exactly what we need! :)

Hope this is true!

Ifeelbloated
Jan 22, 2002, 09:48 AM
Well, I'm not sure what to think. What do you think Scully?

Mulder, our show is being cancelled, I don't give a rats rump about anything right now.

Aw, Scully. The truth is out there. Anyway, I've finally realized you're hot, let's get it on baby.

Wash!!
Jan 22, 2002, 09:50 AM
Very interesting…:rolleyes:

dricci
Jan 22, 2002, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Ifeelbloated
Aw, Scully. The truth is out there. Anyway, I've finally realized you're hot, let's get it on baby.

I think they did that once. There wasn't an episode about it, but the robot from the NSA told her he was watching them when they did in that one episode.

Wait.. What does this have to do with Mac Rumors. Hmm...

Gianrico
Jan 22, 2002, 09:55 AM
All is wrong for me.
First someone tells G5 at Macworld.
After someone tells G4 1 Ghz at january 22
After someone tells G5 at Seybold.

I'm very tired but I don't believe anything of that.

crassusad44
Jan 22, 2002, 10:13 AM
Gianrico:

The G5 at MacWorld was ridiculus. Two BIG announcements is to much for mr. Jobs. (Apollo G4 was a possibility though, and everyone hoped for it to show)
A speed bumped G4 on Jan 22? Give me a break!
G5s, or at least Apollo G4s at Seybold. Very likely.

Consider these facts:
1. iMac now ships with up to 800 MHz G4.
2. Updated towers is way overdue
3. Crystal Clear Promotion ends on Jan 31st (not 21st)
4. Seybold is a pro show
5. Apple has released big guns at Seybold before
6. At MacWorld, Apple updated BOTH their consumer lines, it would be likely if they update BOTH their pro lines next
7. I want a GHz tower... :)

Six
Jan 22, 2002, 10:24 AM
well, we'll find out if it happens today or not...

35 minutes??? but i want it noooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

spikey
Jan 22, 2002, 10:30 AM
Just because this guy gives an excuse for his verbal crap, it doesnt mean its any more true than the G5 rumors we heard 3 months ago.
Its not at all interesting, this has been said **** knows how many times before. and last time we heard rumors like this the G5 was at rev 0.8.

Pathetic.

spikey
Jan 22, 2002, 10:32 AM
****ing hell this **** is censored now.

mischief
Jan 22, 2002, 01:06 PM
It fits with insider rumors I've been hearing in the Cupertino area. Seybold always did make more sense. Jan 22 was just the earliest guess as to a release date.

The actual text is a bit disjointed but the concepts are sound and I could see it happening in those configs. It's odd that only the low end and high end options were mentioned. The timeline seems right and I can confirm from my own sources that Apple is switching to a quarterly release schedule. Anticipate the releases to roughly co-encide with trade shows of equivalent interest. That is: Pro line at Seybold & MWNY, Consumer line at MWSF & mid November. Other releases like OS updates and software releases will probably get spred out in between to keep Apple in the press.

The mention of an optical port intreagues me. Perhaps Apple is looking at IR to replace USB for keyboards and mice? Perhaps IR hotsync-ing? Best case for "optical port": Fibre ethernet. Gigabit ethernet is painfully expensive and a fibre channel could be useful for many applications.

The mention of "things never seen on Mac OS" ???????? An obvious software hint but there is very little the Mac hasn't done yet. Also it implies features or titles that exist elsewhere or the quote would have been "never seen before in computing".

This seems much more believable than many other rumors thoughthere is (conveniently) no way to verify it.

Hang on, maybe there is: If we can make a concerted effort to dig up Moto and IBM's production #'s for PPC in the last 2 months, we can get closer. The Chips to look for are the 7450 "Apollo" and 85nn "G5". We can also look at truck and materials flow into Apple's Cork, Singapore, Sacramento and Mexicali production facilities. Towers are mostly produced in Sacramento. We can also track Apple's internal stock manipulation and perhaps even their materials expendatures for the last 2 quarters. If you all want better evidence like I do, lets dig around a bit and narrow the field.Keep all research to public knowledge, I live too close to want Steve to come and kick my *** in person.

If any of my info reguarding Chip #'s is incorrect please post them.

eyelikeart
Jan 22, 2002, 02:31 PM
there's no indication on Apple's site of anything new...

anyone find out anymore or is this just fluff? :confused:

crassusad44
Jan 22, 2002, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by spikey
Just because this guy gives an excuse for his verbal crap, it doesnt mean its any more true than the G5 rumors we heard 3 months ago.
Its not at all interesting, this has been said **** knows how many times before. and last time we heard rumors like this the G5 was at rev 0.8.

Pathetic.

Maybe the Hotline chat thing is a hoax, but the information provided does seem logical, and not far fetched at all. Yes, G5 rumors have been around for a while. The first rumors slated a January release for the G5. When that didn't happen, rumorsites went cracy (have anyone seen spymac.com??? :) ). Although we have heard the G5 rumor for a long time, as time passes by, the rumor is getting more and more likely to be true. Something will happen to the PowerMac line, and Seybold seems like the most likely event. Maybe G5 won't appear, but atleast we'll see Apollo G4s. Apple will not canabalize their pro lineup for more than one month. If nothing is about to happen at Seybold, we would probably already have seen an extension to the Crystal Clear Promotion, or a decent price drop on current models...

My 2˘

pc_convert?
Jan 22, 2002, 04:30 PM
Introducing the G5 at Seybold doesn't make much sense to me, (thats even if the G5 is ready).

Why would Motorola spend all that time and money on Apollo?

As I've stated in another post I think G5 towers will appear at MWNY or early 2003. I expect G4 Apollo towers to appear at Seybold.

This way Apollo becomes 'top dog' for a while. When the towers move onto G5, iMac2 migrates to Apollo.

But what do I know.....?:)

TMay
Jan 22, 2002, 04:47 PM
If everything sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Look for Apollo's at Seybold, G5 at New York.

samy85114
Jan 22, 2002, 05:38 PM
As someone said, come on give me a break... I was waiting for it today and there's nothing, also was waiting for G5 at MWSF, even if that was impossible....

So, and i'm probably not the only one, I want to get fact not rumors... and my thought is, this Apple employee right up there, that's not his real job... otherwise, if it's true, well I want real stuff ( ... his Apple access card.. ) or something that can tell me who he is ! And again, he could lie to us....

:) but a G5 at seybold might be awesome!!!!!

evildead
Jan 22, 2002, 06:07 PM
I would take that info with a grain of salt.

eyelikeart
Jan 22, 2002, 06:28 PM
way to go evildead! :D

as for the G5 stuff.....I'm over it....going to wait and see what comes about later this year.....even though I'd most likely want one, I'm not in the market for another machine for a while....

MaxRool
Jan 22, 2002, 06:53 PM
And...
The mythical Apollo 1 Ghz G4's were promised as "coming soon" over 15 months ago. And, well, I guess we now know what "soon" means...

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0010/10.motorola.shtml (http://)

As much as I need (ok, 'want') a faster machine I, probably like many others, am waiting for the Ghz barrier to be broken. I know the dual 800 Mhz machine is more that enough for me at the moment. Maybe its just a "6 inch thing", but I want my dual 1 Ghz now and I don't care if its G4 or G5 so long as its Symmetric Processing capable.

And I want one now tooooooo!

mac15
Jan 22, 2002, 07:07 PM
only 2 pro machines whats up with that
anyway sound cool to me

madamimadam
Jan 22, 2002, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by pc_convert?
Why would Motorola spend all that time and money on Apollo?


One name: iMac
And, for future reference, another 2 names: PowerBook; iBook.

cryptochrome
Jan 22, 2002, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


One name: iMac
And, for future reference, another 2 names: PowerBook; iBook.

Seriously though, the G4 cycle was so slow and improvements in the G5 so fast, what's really stopping them from skipping a generation? Does the G5 use so much power/cost so much that it can't be put in a notebook anytime soon?

madamimadam
Jan 22, 2002, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by cryptochrome


Seriously though, the G4 cycle was so slow and improvements in the G5 so fast, what's really stopping them from skipping a generation? Does the G5 use so much power/cost so much that it can't be put in a notebook anytime soon?

According to the Motorola website, the generation 5 processors are running low power.

tw9876z
Jan 22, 2002, 08:52 PM
ibook as fast as current powerbook is to big a leap. If ibook does go g4 ill be pissed becuase ive only had my powerbook 4 months

madamimadam
Jan 22, 2002, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by tw9876z
ibook as fast as current powerbook is to big a leap. If ibook does go g4 ill be pissed becuase ive only had my powerbook 4 months

No, iBooks won't go to G4 just yet, I would see it that the iBook will go G4 when the PowerBook is G5 and the iMac is into into the Apollo series.

IndyGopher
Jan 22, 2002, 09:08 PM
Perhaps in public one should REMOVE one's choke collar, to lessen the chances of one having one's chain yanked. I really wanted to just smile smugly and let this one go, but I can't. DO YOU PEOPLE NEVER LEARN?? It has been all of 3 weeks since you started foaming at the mouth over the Apple "hypesite" and making your predictions and spewing your "inside information" about how This or That was "definitely" going to happen, and when. So please, if nothing else, learn this: Reasoned supposition and "definite fact" are not the same thing. The next Apple machine might be released at a surprise press breakfast tomorrow morning, or it might NEVER be released. The odds for either of those are roughly equal. Rumors are fun, they keep interest alive. Arranging your life around them is pathetic and sad. Don't be that guy. (If you were up later than usual last night, clicking "Reload" on the Apple site, that last bit was aimed squarely at YOU.) Besides, like I said before: A new machine coming out doesn't make the one on your desk any slower.

Kid Red
Jan 22, 2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by pc_convert?
Introducing the G5 at Seybold doesn't make much sense to me, (thats even if the G5 is ready).

Why would Motorola spend all that time and money on Apollo?

As I've stated in another post I think G5 towers will appear at MWNY or early 2003. I expect G4 Apollo towers to appear at Seybold.

This way Apollo becomes 'top dog' for a while. When the towers move onto G5, iMac2 migrates to Apollo.

But what do I know.....?:)

Apollo is for the iMacs. The Apollo tops out for the towers in one speed bump, why waste it on the towers at all? The iMacs don't speed bump as high as the towers so the Apollo could last 1-2 years for the iMac before it would get a G5.

Kid Red
Jan 22, 2002, 10:30 PM
A new machine coming out doesn't make the one on your desk any slower.


Uh, yea it does. My G4 450 will be a lot slower the day a 1.0ghz G4/G5 comes out. It slower by today's standard. If the top of the line fastest was 500mhz, then I'd agree. With Intel at 2.2ghz and Apple about to get to 1.0ghz, my machine is slower.

Catfish_Man
Jan 22, 2002, 11:09 PM
...I found some info that brings the possibility of a dual core G5 from "not going to happen" to "maybe". If Apple goes with IBM instead of Motorola for their next gen chip, take a look at the roadmap (attached). This would also explain why the guy said a dual G5 is like 8 G4s. G5 at 2X the clockspeed for each core, would be like a dual 1.xGHz G4 on a single chip (or a quad current G4). So a dual G5 would be like a quad 1.xGHz G4, or a octuple current G4.

*note: this doesn't seem very likely, I'm just saying there is evidence for it*

Also, it shows the same features as Motorola's chips. Integrated SIMD sounds like Altivec, and both have RapidIO and SMP. However, it doesn't say that the IBM one is 64 bit.

DNA
Jan 23, 2002, 01:53 AM
Spikey, Evildead and you other people who think this is crap. Yes, of course it could be just crap. The interesting issues, in my opinion, are 1) That this information isn't too much at the same time (none of the "The new G5 will have USB 5,0 and terawire and come equipped with a built-in THX surround system" stuff) and 2) That the "employee" has bothered to mention stock market strategies, and to me the new strategy (one big announcement every three months instead of two every six months) makes sense. Any more comments on the "facts" please? Can you find any impossibilities (For example "USB 2.0 was skipped two years ago and they moved on to 4.0")?

pc_convert?
Jan 23, 2002, 05:25 AM
Apollo is for the iMacs. The Apollo tops out for the towers in one speed bump, why waste it on the towers at all? The iMacs don't speed bump as high as the towers so the Apollo could last 1-2 years for the iMac before it would get a G5.

The towers don't look competetive now. iMac2 with 800MHz G4's is much less expensive than the towers. Granted iMac2 has no PCI slots or AGP slot but some users want this. Apple need to differentiate between the consumer and pro models.

Apollo would act as a stop gap in the towers. I don't believe the G5 is ready yet (I hope I'm wrong), but if the towers use Apollo for 12 months or so before the G5 is introduced then the iMac2 and powerbooks can use Apollos.

Therefore my prediction is 1 year from now towers will use G5's and iMac's and powerbooks will use Apollo G4's, maybe the iBook with use a standard G4.

This makes sense to me, but Apple will probably introduce the G5 soon just to prove me wrong! ;)

cryptochrome
Jan 23, 2002, 10:58 AM
I agree with DNA - the thing that makes this post interesting is that it is eminently reasonable and that it goes beyond just hardware to discuss software and strategy. The bit about a non-bootable classic, and its speed, is new and interesting. I suppose if you're the type of person who fakes these things you should study this post.

I guess since I was planning on purchasing a 12.1" iBook, I might as well do it now. USB 2 and Radeon aren't so important to me that I feel like waiting that long. If only they had a smaller powerbook.

Catfish_Man
Jan 23, 2002, 10:15 PM
...that would be the first time Apple's used one of my ideas (not that I suggested it or anything, I was just considering it). It would eliminate the finder, a large number of extensions, and almost the whole GUI related chunk of the system, it would be *fast* (think as fast as a heavily stripped down OS9).