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brad
Dec 17, 2002, 12:12 AM
Can anybody suggest when we are likely to see P/Books with a Dual 1 GHz processor?

Rower_CPU
Dec 17, 2002, 12:54 AM
When the heat output and power consumption of the CPUs allow for being used in a portable form factor...

...and by then the chips will most likely be much faster than 1 GHz. :)

BenderBot1138
Dec 17, 2002, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
When the heat output and power consumption of the CPUs allow for being used in a portable form factor...

...and by then the chips will most likely be much faster than 1 GHz. :)
That does seem to be the problem... but isn't Apple working on new cooling strategies for the PB series as well? Thought I read that here a while ago.

:cool:

will
Dec 17, 2002, 06:55 AM
I'd love to be proved wrong, but I stronly suspect we won't be seeing dual processor laptops from Apple anytime soon. Why?

Cost (The PB is already pretty expensive)
Battery Life (I suppose you could deactivate one processor while off the mains)
Heat (It's a challenge to keep PB cool ATM)
Case size (An extra processor would increase motherboard size/complexity)
R&D expense (G4 is coming to end of its life, why introduce duel in PB now?)

I suggest a more sensible approach for the PB is to have one faster processor which is clocked at different speed on battery v. mains. I look forward to seeing a new processor line in the PB (hopefully within a year).

Mr. Anderson
Dec 17, 2002, 07:12 AM
To see more than one processor in the TiPB, I'm thinking you're going to have to wait until a suitable multi-core 970 comes out, which probably won't happen until 2004 - but like Rower mentioned, by then it will be much more than just 1 GHz.

D

benixau
Dec 17, 2002, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by dukestreet
by then it will be much more than just 1 GHz.

... we hope ...

Mr. Anderson
Dec 17, 2002, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by benixau


... we hope ...

If we have to wait for 2004 to see something significantly better than the current offerings - well, it has to be more than 1 GHz, there is no way that Apple could keep the current config stalled for over a year.

D

JSRockit
Dec 18, 2002, 06:29 PM
Does anyone really think there will be a dual processor laptop made by anyone ever? Maybe I don't knoe enough, but it seems like it will not happen anytime soon.

arnette
Dec 18, 2002, 07:46 PM
how 'bout a Carbon Fiber PowerBook? Mmm... lightweight, moldable, carbon fiber. Improved AirPort reception, good heat dissipation, strong covering.

Of course, this is completely pulled out of my nether regions.

Sherman
Dec 19, 2002, 12:38 AM
And just as expensive!

In reply to the first post: You and what heatsink?

yamadataro
Dec 19, 2002, 06:17 AM
I don't think dual processor notebooks in general is a good idea.

People who need real CPU power should simply go for cheaper/powerful/expandable desktops. I use a couple of desktops and TiBooks and they each have different roles in my professional life.

I personally would like to have long battery life and portability. Aren't they what notebooks are about? Speed is not the first priority for sure.

Maybe Apple should develop fast one AND slow one with better portability.

I don't know any existing dual processor notebook computers, but I know there used to be a car called Amazoness with 4 engines (1 for each wheel, total of 10,000cc). Long time ago in Brazile I think. It was a shortlived car ;)

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by yamadataro
I don't think dual processor notebooks in general is a good idea.

People who need real CPU power should simply go for cheaper/powerful/expandable desktops. I use a couple of desktops and TiBooks and they each have different roles in my professional life.



but who thought the tibook would ever get a superdrive?

duals are definitely on the way...it's the next logical step...that or a G5 or 970 powerbook:D

Megaquad
Dec 19, 2002, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by brad
Can anybody suggest when we are likely to see P/Books with a Dual 1 GHz processor?
uhmm... never?
-too expensive
-they are never gonna get that small to integrate with less heat

Rower_CPU
Dec 19, 2002, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Megaquad

uhmm... never?
-too expensive
-they are never gonna get that small to integrate with less heat

"Never say never" ;)

I don't think anyone here can honestly say what the CPU industry will or won't be able to do in the coming years.

CPU die sizes are getting smaller and smaller, so it's only a matter of time.

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU




CPU die sizes are getting smaller and smaller, so it's only a matter of time.

sez who??

on the pc side, yes

but on the mac side, we like large die sizes, taking up more voltage, and thus producing more heat to keep us warm

just think, moto is doing a service in providing heat as well as processing power:D

Rower_CPU
Dec 19, 2002, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by jefhatfield
sez who??

on the pc side, yes

but on the mac side, we like large die sizes, taking up more voltage, and thus producing more heat to keep us warm

just think, moto is doing a service in providing heat as well as processing power:D

Talk to me again in the summer. ;)

Although, it doesn't get all that warm or cold up by Monterey. How have the storms been treating you guys?

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Talk to me again in the summer. ;)

Although, it doesn't get all that warm or cold up by Monterey. How have the storms been treating you guys?

kicking our butt

first a cold front and freezing rain

then a tropical front and wind from hades

in my other job doing landscaping and gardening, it's a lot of damage control time when the whole thing subsides

in my techie job, i hope nothing happens...i have warned all my clients to back up, which i know they don't, and have a power strip or even a ups

even i don't have a ups yet...it would be nice to have 20 minutes to close down all windows and work if the power went out...so far, in my electrical zone, no power outtages...cross my fingers

our last big storm made its way to towards so cal...did it get you and was is offendingly cold?:p

Mr. Anderson
Dec 19, 2002, 12:19 PM
You will see dual processor and more laptops eventually, but remember, even with the 970 the extra processors will all be on the same chip - it will just have multiple cores.

As for a dual CPU with 2 separate chips? Well, that seems less likely given the energy/heat/space constraints with todays technology.

D

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
You will see dual processor and more laptops eventually, but remember, even with the 970 the extra processors will all be on the same chip - it will just have multiple cores.


D

i could live with that:D

Rower_CPU
Dec 19, 2002, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by jefhatfield
<snip>
our last big storm made its way to towards so cal...did it get you and was is offendingly cold?:p

Temps were normal, and we got an inch or so of rain (we're still an inch behind for the year).

The next one should get us back into the positive for rainfall when it hits tonight/tomorrow.

The one thing I'm concerned about is driving up north on Sunday...mountains should have snow by then...good thing I have chains for the truck. :)

vniow
Dec 19, 2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Talk to me again in the summer. ;)

Although, it doesn't get all that warm or cold up by Monterey. How have the storms been treating you guys?


Wet. (duh)http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/winky.gif

I just got power back from being out since Saturday so not so good for me.

ftaok
Dec 19, 2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by jefhatfield
but who thought the tibook would ever get a superdrive?
ME.

And I personally think that it took TOO long to get the SuperDrive Powerbook. Heck, the iBook should have a SuperDrive option (and a G4 as well).

Mr. Anderson
Dec 19, 2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by jefhatfield


i could live with that:D

ha, that's an understatement - I'd love to have a dual core 970 in my TiPB. That probably won't happen until late 04 or 05 if they even end up putting 970s in PowerBooks or their successor.

D

Rower_CPU
Dec 19, 2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by edvniow
Wet. (duh)http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/winky.gif

I just got power back from being out since Saturday so not so good for me.

That really sucks...

The one big problem down here is that nothing is set-up for drainage...so we have puddles that stay around forever.

Also some old trees lose branches or fall over, etc.

Bigger news lately is this huge water main that broke in an affluent community:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/1845972/detail.html

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by ftaok
ME.

And I personally think that it took TOO long to get the SuperDrive Powerbook. Heck, the iBook should have a SuperDrive option (and a G4 as well).

make it like this in january 2003

ibook cd...899 or 949 us dollars
ibook combo 1199
ibook 14" inch large screen with combo 1299
ibook superdrive regular screen 1399
ibook superdrive 14" inch large screen 1499

and extra ram with additional cost in bto options

and also more for the 32 MB video card option

and make a fully decked out 14" inch ibook no more than 1799

just my 2 cents

Santiago
Dec 19, 2002, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by yamadataro
I don't know any existing dual processor notebook computers, but I know there used to be a car called Amazoness with 4 engines (1 for each wheel, total of 10,000cc). Long time ago in Brazile I think. It was a shortlived car ;)

Some of the prototype electric cars in development have four independent motors in the wheel hubs. (These are pure electric cars, not gas-electric hybrids.)

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 04:26 PM
wow, it might be nice to have an electric powered tibook...as opposed to one with a hot nuclear core at the center

...what the heck was steve job's thinking:)

JSRockit
Dec 19, 2002, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by ftaok
ME.

And I personally think that it took TOO long to get the SuperDrive Powerbook. Heck, the iBook should have a SuperDrive option (and a G4 as well).

Please...SuperDrives were only available in portables a few months before Apple offered it...and Apple's is the only slot loader.

jefhatfield
Dec 19, 2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by JSRockit


Please...SuperDrives were only available in portables a few months before Apple offered it...and Apple's is the only slot loader.

slot loading superdrive one day in ibook would be cool

and slot loading cd and combo drive in very near future would also be nice

strider42
Dec 19, 2002, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
You will see dual processor and more laptops eventually, but remember, even with the 970 the extra processors will all be on the same chip - it will just have multiple cores.
D

I don't know where you got that info, but its not true. Or at least, no one knows this. The power 4, on which the 970 is based to a large extent, is a dual core chip. the 970 is most decidedly not a dual core chip. Thats not to say its not possible that they will make a version that has dual cores, but there is absolutely no evidence that this will ever be the case as far as I know. Remember, just because its based on the power 4 does not mean it will be issued in the same ways.

Over Achiever
Dec 19, 2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by jefhatfield


slot loading superdrive one day in ibook would be cool

and slot loading cd and combo drive in very near future would also be nice

I think the iBook will eventually get the Superdrive.

As for slotloading drives...I really don't think that'll happen.

funkywhat2
Dec 19, 2002, 07:36 PM
you know what would be cool? if the powerbook could have a video card that you could pop out of the back, so you could replace it easily. just un-screw a custom cover, so it looks nice, and pop the card out of a mini agp slot. you could still use mobility gpu's, just on replaceable cards.

now that would be cool!

benixau
Dec 21, 2002, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
You will see dual processor and more laptops eventually, but remember, even with the 970 the extra processors will all be on the same chip - it will just have multiple cores.

No way. power4 is Dual core, the 970 is made to be a tiny single core version.

go have a look somewhere on the IBM website (someone get link, sorry) and you will see the 970 is about half the die size of a power4. why? no dual core.

a power4 would not fit in a pbook case, a 970 would be about as big as a moto chip (wierd :D) and produce slightly less heat.

jefhatfield
Dec 21, 2002, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by crazy_will
you know what would be cool? if the powerbook could have a video card that you could pop out of the back, so you could replace it easily. just un-screw a custom cover, so it looks nice, and pop the card out of a mini agp slot. you could still use mobility gpu's, just on replaceable cards.

now that would be cool!

i second that:D

Kethoticus
Dec 22, 2002, 06:45 AM
i second that

I don't. I want things to be as difficult as possible. I want Apple to weld the graphics hardware to the motherboard so we have no chance to ever upgrade what we buy without buying a whole new machine. Sounds like I want an iMac!

And I want to pay through the nose for this inconvenience so that Apple has large profits and I can go on bragging to my PC-loving cohorts that Apple's a better computer company than most others out there. Yeah.

All you others on this list can think about is yourselves... what will YOU get out of it? Well, what about Apple? Hhhmmmm???? Remember what Kennedy said: Ask not what your computer company can do for you, but ask what you can do for your computer company.

Sheesh. I'm glad you guys have me on this list to keep you all straight.