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void
Dec 17, 2002, 04:06 PM
Does anyone know when this godly chip is coming to mac? Everyone says that you should flash the card but it is an 8x AGP
-vjv

Chaszmyr
Dec 17, 2002, 04:26 PM
I wouldnt count on it EVER coming to mac.

TMJ1974
Dec 17, 2002, 04:28 PM
ATI can't even bring the Radeon 9000 Pro to retail market, after being months behind........:rolleyes:

I wish they would get their act together and release to the public. Not everyone will buy a new PowerMac just for the video card.

Tim

fatalerror101
Dec 17, 2002, 04:39 PM
This topic has been done before mulitple times hope this link helps you understand exactly what is wrong w/ ATI

Here is the LINK (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15123&highlight=radeon)



PowerBook G4 1ghz

iJon
Dec 17, 2002, 09:40 PM
wait for the fx, it will be better anyways.

iJon

ddtlm
Dec 18, 2002, 02:07 AM
Sheesh, what's the hurry? Who here has a processor fast enough to put a Radeon 9700 to good use? Give it another update or so... certainly if PPC-970's are the future they would be able to push a Radeon 9700.

Frobozz
Dec 18, 2002, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by ddtlm
Sheesh, what's the hurry? Who here has a processor fast enough to put a Radeon 9700 to good use? Give it another update or so... certainly if PPC-970's are the future they would be able to push a Radeon 9700.

I do.

Essentially, anyone with dual processor 800's or above would probably benefit from this. I have a dual gig quiksilver, and my GeForce4MX is nice... but it coughs and hacks on MOHAA in 1280 x 1024 with a lot of action going on.

MacBandit
Dec 18, 2002, 10:44 AM
The ATI9700 was originally expected for the Mac by the end of December or early January. I don't know what the current schedule is as I haven't checked on it in a month or so.

MrMacMan
Dec 18, 2002, 10:55 AM
Don't expect them to finish early, at all.

Expect Feb. them to make an annocment that they gave up, and about a week later some normal guy posts how to flash one and AIT is flabbergasted. :D

MacsRgr8
Dec 18, 2002, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Frobozz


I do.

Essentially, anyone with dual processor 800's or above would probably benefit from this. I have a dual gig quiksilver, and my GeForce4MX is nice... but it coughs and hacks on MOHAA in 1280 x 1024 with a lot of action going on.

Jeez... now i'm definitely gonna wait for a 2 GHz PPC 970.
You'll want it (with a Radeon 9700 or GeforceFX) when DOOM III comes to the Mac:)

ddtlm
Dec 18, 2002, 04:09 PM
Frobozz:

Essentially, anyone with dual processor 800's or above would probably benefit from this. I have a dual gig quiksilver, and my GeForce4MX is nice... but it coughs and hacks on MOHAA in 1280 x 1024 with a lot of action going on.
A GF4MX is nowhere near as fast as a Radeon 9700, and so I'm not sure why you think that "slow on GF4MX" implies "need Radeon 9700 to go fast". Based on my Mac vs PC gaming experience, Apple needs faster processors and faster drivers waaaay more than it needs faster video cards.

MacsRgr8
Dec 18, 2002, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by ddtlm
Frobozz:


A GF4MX is nowhere near as fast as a Radeon 9700, and so I'm not sure why you think that "slow on GF4MX" implies "need Radeon 9700 to go fast". Based on my Mac vs PC gaming experience, Apple needs faster processors and faster drivers waaaay more than it needs faster video cards.

Yep, it seems that this dual 1 GHz G4 is hiccupping on processor activity which is not OpenGL related. (quote: with a lot of action going on). Lot of action: many sounds, a lot of explosions, etc.
I've made the mistake to replace a (working) Radeon AGP retail with a Radeon 8500 in my G4 400 (with 1 GB RAM... don't laugh). I don't experience any frame rate increase with newer games (RTCW, MOHAA).... The one BIG thing that I do experince is that now I can play Quake 3 @ 1600 x 1200. Now that's OpenGL related.

ddtlm
Dec 18, 2002, 07:23 PM
MacsRgr8:

The one BIG thing that I do experince is that now I can play Quake 3 @ 1600 x 1200. Now that's OpenGL related.
True, a faster video card does allow (more or less) the same framerate at higher resolution, so a Radeon 9700 could probably do 1920x1200 in a lot of games for those few people with a 23" LCD. :)

Ambrose Chapel
Dec 30, 2002, 06:51 AM
According to Accelerate your Mac, the retail 9000 has begun shipping to dealers.

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ (http://)

MacsRgr8
Dec 30, 2002, 12:33 PM
Is there a big difference between the 8500 and 9000?
I just can't believe that ATI has just started shipping the 9000 for Mac, while the 9700 for PC has been around for a month now.
At this rate we'll see the GeForceFX for Mac earlier than the 9700!

MrMacMan
Dec 30, 2002, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Is there a big difference between the 8500 and 9000?
I just can't believe that ATI has just started shipping the 9000 for Mac, while the 9700 for PC has been around for a month now.
At this rate we'll see the GeForceFX for Mac earlier than the 9700!
*cough*
ATI dosen't care for mac users that much
*cough*
And there is no way ATI's Worst Kept Secret is coming before the 9700, anyway it really isn't a suprise we are a month behind, look at our RAM and then look at what you said, do we need faster RAM or ever more killer graphics?

MacsRgr8
Dec 31, 2002, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman

*cough*
ATI dosen't care for mac users that much
*cough*
And there is no way ATI's Worst Kept Secret is coming before the 9700, anyway it really isn't a suprise we are a month behind, look at our RAM and then look at what you said, do we need faster RAM or ever more killer graphics?

Both.
But nVidia isn't really holding back for the Mac. The GeForce 3Ti an 4Ti didn't come to the Mac a lot later than to the PC. And If nVidia launches it's GeForceFX for Macintosh nobody will worry about the 9700 anymore...

MrMacMan
Dec 31, 2002, 11:43 AM
Yeah, whatever.
But the FX is no way coming to the mac before the 9700, no way, sorry, thanks.

MacsRgr8
Dec 31, 2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by MrMacman
Yeah, whatever.
But the FX is no way coming to the mac before the 9700, no way, sorry, thanks.

Why not?
ATI has just started shipping the 9000.... when will they ever ship the 9700? I really hope it'll be at MWSF, but if that's true they might as well NOT ship the 9000 now.
nVidia is a lot quicker. I know the FX is not available for the PC yet, but it will be soon, and I expect it to be available for the Mac shortly after that.

Jimong5
Dec 31, 2002, 10:53 PM
didnt Nvidia introduce the Geforce 4 Ti alongside the PMG4 QS 2002?

MrMacMan
Dec 31, 2002, 11:03 PM
nVida does make chips faster for the mac, ATI is a little slow, but the 9700 should be out soon, maybe by MWSF.
But the FX might be even later. Sorry.

MacsRgr8
Jan 1, 2003, 06:35 AM
You don't have to be sorry about that. It will be great news if the 9700 was introduced next week.
I just don't inderstand why ATI should ship the 9000 now, 1 week before the release of the 9700 :confused:
But if they do, then the 8500 + 9000 would be really cheap....

HAPPY NEW YEAR

hvfsl
Jan 1, 2003, 08:00 AM
Don't worry about the ATI 9700, the Nvidia FX will soon be out and that WILL come on the Mac.

benixau
Jan 1, 2003, 08:53 AM
I got a QS02 867 o/c to 1083. i will be buying an nVidia card before i buy Ati. why? nvidia has much better drivers. they supply linux drivers. they supply windows drivers. they put effort into their mac cards and help apple make good drivers.

why do you think the top of the line card for a pmac and the card in all other desktop macs is an nvidia card?

apple knows what it is doing. that is why the ati 9000 pro has 64 RAM where the GF4MX has only 32. it is to give you a reason to get the ati.

Funkatation
Jan 1, 2003, 11:19 AM
nVidia makes better drivers on the PC. ATI makes better drivers on the Mac. Why? ATI has been making Mac drivers for over 5 years. Why is it that you can buy a GF4Ti 4600 for a PowerMac, yet you can't even turn on FSAA? But with a Radeon 8500 you can.... By the time the Geforce FX will be out, I believe ATI should have its R350 (refresh of the 9700) out.