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wildcat4100
Dec 19, 2002, 03:24 AM
As 40GB 2.5" drive is getting common, will the iPod be update to 40GB as the upcoming MWSF so it'll lead the race again and leave the other competitors in the dust?

joed
Dec 19, 2002, 04:27 AM
Well the iPod uses 1.8" drives and toshiba is the only company that currenty makes then. Also they only come in 5, 10, or 20GB sizes.

So no, there will not be a 40GB iPod at MWSF.

Chryx
Dec 19, 2002, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by wildcat4100
As 40GB 2.5" drive is getting common, will the iPod be update to 40GB as the upcoming MWSF so it'll lead the race again and leave the other competitors in the dust?

the iPod doesn't use 2.5" IDE harddisks (infact, the TOTAL size of the ipod is roughly the same as a 2.5" IDE harddisk),

the iPod uses Toshiba 1.8" disks, and AFAIK, they haven't announced a 40GB 1.8" part.

Toshiba 20GB 1.8" specs page (http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/features/MK2003GAH-Over.shtml)

irmongoose
Dec 19, 2002, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by Chryx

<a href="http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/features/MK2003GAH-Over.shtml">20GB 1.8" disk specs page</a>

Sorry mate this board doesn't use HTML it uses vBcode.

Teach yourself some vBcode here (http://forums.macrumors.com/misc.php?s=&action=bbcode).

:D




irmongoose

Chryx
Dec 19, 2002, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose

Sorry mate this board doesn't use HTML it uses vBcode.

Which makes very little sense if you think about it, because the VBCode is translated into HTML for webbrowsers to make sense of it ;)

irmongoose
Dec 19, 2002, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by Chryx


Which makes very little sense if you think about it, because the VBCode is translated into HTML for webbrowsers to make sense of it ;)

Yeah.. hehe, I'd never thought of that :D

Why can't people just use plain HTML these days? *sigh* ....

:eek: :p :D




irmongoose

yamadataro
Dec 19, 2002, 07:03 AM
Mmmmm 40GB iPod will be able to store 8000 songs?
I wonder if anyone can remember what songs they have on their iPod then?

I mean, I'm always just listening to like 20% of my 1000 songs on my 5GB iPod. 8000 is like a music store scale!

When it reaches 40G, I'd like like to have video screen! Yes, vPod!
I guess, bigger is always better?

Megaquad
Dec 19, 2002, 07:57 AM
There was a story about unnamed company buying lots of OLED screens (that can play videos and stuff) from Kodak.
It might be Apple after all.
It would be great if iPod could have some more PDA-ish features, if that screen kicks in, it might be possible.

smegdude
Dec 19, 2002, 08:24 AM
if you have 8000 songs then you really need to use smart playlists, that or you need to not care what songs are playing and just have songs you like on there, which is the point, i believe.

yamadataro
Dec 19, 2002, 08:38 AM
Is full color OLED ready yet?
There was an artcle on January issue of Wired which sort of said full color screen is not really ready yet for mass distribution.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.01/start.html?pg=6

Ripping videos like ripping music and viewing them on the go would be very very nice. I don't mind small screens! The copyright stuff will be the problem though... Can we make a personal video copy leagally like we can with CDs???

There's a device made by Sharp which does pretty much what I just said, but Apple one would always be better for sure I think! BYW this Sharp thingy is sold only in Japan and a retailer specialized in Japanese-only products in the US. I don't think it's Mac-ready though.

rugby
Dec 19, 2002, 09:08 AM
Maybe Apple will come out with iTunes 3.1 or 4 that has mp4 encoding so the bitrates can be halved from mp3 and still sound better. That way you can fit more songs on your iPods.

pgwalsh
Dec 19, 2002, 11:19 AM
I'd see using the 40gb for storing songs, files, pictures, and videos. Plenty of space for all of that. I think it would be great to sync it with iPhoto and bring your pictures on the go. Maybe hook it up to a digital camera to save pictures when you're away from your computer. Oh I like that.

Raiden
Dec 19, 2002, 03:26 PM
Lemme get this strait, if they come out with a 40 gig ipod, with mp4 coding, then it will be able to hold 16000 songs?!? Wow....

TyleRomeo
Dec 19, 2002, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Raiden
Lemme get this strait, if they come out with a 40 gig ipod, with mp4 coding, then it will be able to hold 16000 songs?!? Wow....

that is if you compress your music down to 80KBPS in AAC. Personally I keep my music pure at 1411KBPS so I can only store about 500 songs on the current 20GB iPod, so im looking forward to toshiba or whoever to make larger 1.8 inch drives to store my iTunes library. Right now im hovering around 57GB used up. So bring on the larger iPods.

Tyler

kenkooler
Dec 19, 2002, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by TyleRomeo


that is if you compress your music down to 80KBPS in AAC. Personally I keep my music pure at 1411KBPS so I can only store about 500 songs on the current 20GB iPod, so im looking forward to toshiba or whoever to make larger 1.8 inch drives to store my iTunes library. Right now im hovering around 57GB used up. So bring on the larger iPods.

Tyler

Haha, I personally keep my songs at 24kbps in mono mp3s, I have 4500 and its less than 3 gb

King Cobra
Dec 19, 2002, 08:05 PM
If I am not mistaken, the 20GB iPod uses 2x 10GB Hard Drives, not a single 20GB Hard Drive. (I'm pretty sure I read this elsewhere.)

>(rugby) Maybe Apple will come out with iTunes 3.1 or 4 that has mp4 encoding...

Rumors have been flapping about regarding iTunes 4 and AAC. I would expect this update soon.

>(Raiden) Lemme get this strait, if they come out with a 40 gig ipod, with mp4 coding, then itsend will be able to hold 16000 songs?!?

>(TyleRomeo) that is if you compress your music down to 80KBPS in AAC.

Not to be rude, but MPEG-1 audio (what most people here listen to) at 160Kbps has about the same quality as MPEG-4 AAC at 40Kbps, except with a 75% file size reduction. Therefore, at 40Kbps, you could store 32000 songs on your 40GB iPod. Once you have done that, your parents should recommend you see a doctor. :p

bobindashadows
Dec 19, 2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by irmongoose


Yeah.. hehe, I'd never thought of that :D

Why can't people just use plain HTML these days? *sigh* ....

:eek: :p :D




irmongoose

Malicious HTML, javascript popups, stuff like that. People can do crazy stuff with HTML. plus vBcode gets rid of those damn I.E. tags like <BLINK> and <MARQUEE>.

Everytime i see a marquee i think "I'll shoot him on principle" - Vincent Vega, Pulp Fiction (how do i forget the actor? He's so famous too. I'll smack myself when someone says his name)

Oh yeah, so that this isn't spam like the rest of you overpriveleged veterans who can get away with it, I want to say that 8,000 in my opinion is one hell of a hobby. I like music and i listen to music. But i don't keep songs I don't like a lot.. If i kept any song that's rated less than 2 stars in iTunes then i'd have a lot more. Not one song in my list is less than 3 stars... but that's my taste in music. Enough of my ramblings. 8,000 songs... just too many. at an exaggerated 20 songs an album (because i'm too lazy to do accurate math) that's 400 albums. if you have 400 albums then you should just buy a second iPod because you obviously have lots of money. If you stole 400 albums, then i don't know what to say. I agree with most music piracy because i refuse to pay 13-20 dollars on a CD that cost fractions of a penny to produce. The music recording industry is either ignorant or greedy as hell, neither of which i'm going to deal with. when i really like some music, i'll buy the CD to support the artists even though they don't get nearly as much money as 13-20 dollars. It sickens me. But stealing that much from so many artists is wrong.

irmongoose
Dec 19, 2002, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by bobindashadows

Everytime i see a marquee i think "I'll shoot him on principle" - Vincent Vega, Pulp Fiction (how do i forget the actor? He's so famous too. I'll smack myself when someone says his name)


Okay, get ready to smack yourself.......




JOHN TRAVOLTA!!!! :D :D



irmongoose

Nipsy
Dec 19, 2002, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
If I am not mistaken, the 20GB iPod uses 2x 10GB Hard Drives, not a single 20GB Hard Drive. (I'm pretty sure I read this elsewhere.)


The 20GB iPod uses one (1) Toshiba MK2003GAH 20GB Embedded HDD, although having 2 10s in a FW iPod RAID would be cool.

For those who want to know when the iPod will get bigger, here's your linky:
http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/hdd.shtml

Toshiba will update this about 90 days before a new iPod (watched it hapen with both the 10 and the 20).

So, the answer is that unless there is magic third party making drives, or Apple goes to a much bigger iPod (neither of which is at all likely), there will not be a larger capacity iPod at MWSF.

janey
Dec 20, 2002, 11:02 PM
Apple's more likely to come out with a 20gb iPod with a touch sensitive screen or a color iPod (highly unlikely but more likely than a 40gb iPod) before they come out w/a 40gb iPod. Besides, what's the point of getting an iPod with so much storage space? Isn't 20 enough (assuming that you're the average Joe using the iPod to store a modest music collection and as an external hdd)? And there's no point in watching video on the iPod since the screen is too small to do anything with. However, I would think that iTunes visualizations would be great.

bobindashadows
Dec 20, 2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by irmongoose


Okay, get ready to smack yourself.......




JOHN TRAVOLTA!!!! :D :D



irmongoose

My god!!! How did I forget him! *smacks self* I. FORGOT. JOHN. TRAVOLTA! It's such an easily remembered name too!!!! It must've been all the other big name actors in that movie that threw me off, like Uma Therman, Bruce Willis, Uma Therman, Samuel L. Jackson, Quintin Tarantino, Uma Therman... you get the picture ;-)

iMax
Dec 20, 2002, 11:46 PM
just wait until the compressions are smaller and the hard drives are larger...


"the library of congress in your pocket" :D

Megaquad
Dec 21, 2002, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by rugby
Maybe Apple will come out with iTunes 3.1 or 4 that has mp4 encoding so the bitrates can be halved from mp3 and still sound better. That way you can fit more songs on your iPods.
According to some tests, aac doesnt sound a bit worse then mp3, and it is not that mich smaller in size.

There might be copyright complications as well.

Who cares about AAC? All my music is MP3 and I'm not going to rip-it/reencode it to MP4 because this is just fine.

Megaquad
Dec 21, 2002, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by bobindashadows


My god!!! How did I forget him! *smacks self* I. FORGOT. JOHN. TRAVOLTA! It's such an easily remembered name too!!!! It must've been all the other big name actors in that movie that threw me off, like Uma Therman, Bruce Willis, Uma Therman, Samuel L. Jackson, Quintin Tarantino, Uma Therman... you get the picture ;-)
Its Uma Thurman! :mad: :D

bobindashadows
Dec 21, 2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Megaquad

Its Uma Thurman! :mad: :D

Those were typos!!

blogo
Dec 21, 2002, 09:56 AM
First there will be a 30 gb iPod.
And it will be 2,2cm thick.

janey
Dec 21, 2002, 11:00 AM
Before the 30gb iPod comes out, Apple's gonna discontinue the 5gb and lower the price on the 10gb and 20gb models. And apple's more likely to come out with everything inbetween before they come out with the 30gb. Nevertheless, I believe that there is no point in Apple coming out with a 30gb iPod, unless someone has a gigantic music library (and do you *really* have to have all those songs on there?) or they're using the iPod to back up their hard drive.

yamadataro
Dec 21, 2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Nipsy

So, the answer is that unless there is magic third party making drives, or Apple goes to a much bigger iPod (neither of which is at all likely), there will not be a larger capacity iPod at MWSF.

If the hard drive can not have larger capacity, then making the music files smaller is the way to go. So the natural conclusion here is that MPEG4/AAC capability will be built in in the next iPod, I think. That is IF Apple release it at the coming MWSF.

Would it be possible to software upgrade older iPods to play AAC files? I guess you need hardware decoder chip?

Nipsy
Dec 21, 2002, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by yamadataro


If the hard drive can not have larger capacity, then making the music files smaller is the way to go. So the natural conclusion here is that MPEG4/AAC capability will be built in in the next iPod, I think. That is IF Apple release it at the coming MWSF.

Would it be possible to software upgrade older iPods to play AAC files? I guess you need hardware decoder chip?

The iPod is a little tiny computer, with a little tiny OS, built around a DSP & a hard drive.

It should be possible to maintain feature parity for older iPods via firmware.

smegdude
Dec 29, 2002, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by King Cobra
If I am not mistaken, the 20GB iPod uses 2x 10GB Hard Drives, not a single 20GB Hard Drive. (I'm pretty sure I read this elsewhere.)

>(rugby) Maybe Apple will come out with iTunes 3.1 or 4 that has mp4 encoding...

Rumors have been flapping about regarding iTunes 4 and AAC. I would expect this update soon.

>(Raiden) Lemme get this strait, if they come out with a 40 gig ipod, with mp4 coding, then itsend will be able to hold 16000 songs?!?

>(TyleRomeo) that is if you compress your music down to 80KBPS in AAC.

Not to be rude, but MPEG-1 audio (what most people here listen to) at 160Kbps has about the same quality as MPEG-4 AAC at 40Kbps, except with a 75% file size reduction. Therefore, at 40Kbps, you could store 32000 songs on your 40GB iPod. Once you have done that, your parents should recommend you see a doctor. :p

i was just wondering, if this is true and you can store 32000 songs then how many more are there available? how many songs are there on the planet and how big a hard disk would you need to store them?? 80gb? that would be cool, walking round with every song ever written in your pocket!!!!
you could buy them straight from apple with all the songs on it :D
just a thought anyway

irmongoose
Dec 29, 2002, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by smegdude


i was just wondering, if this is true and you can store 32000 songs then how many more are there available? how many songs are there on the planet and how big a hard disk would you need to store them?? 80gb? that would be cool, walking round with every song ever written in your pocket!!!!
you could buy them straight from apple with all the songs on it :D
just a thought anyway

Hahahaha... I can assure you, there are tens of times more songs written than 64000 in the US alone.... I'm looking more towards the petabytes... most probably even more.




irmongoose

banjoboy1979
Dec 29, 2002, 12:48 PM
...are showing me that the 20 gig will fit my music collection, encoded at 192 kbps, almost exactly. and considering that i know a lot of people who have twice or even six or seven times the music collection that i do, i can certainly understand the desire for having an 40 (or 80) gig machine. :D

it's off topic, but does anyone here encode vinyl? what's the best way to go about doing such a thing?

PLEASE someone tell me that the 20's going to come down to the $400 level at MWSF. wouldn't that piss off a good number of christmas shoppers that just spent a $100 more?