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MacRumors
Jun 19, 2013, 03:34 PM
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After releasing (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/04/apple-releases-os-x-10-8-4-with-wi-fi-compatibility-improvements-bug-fixes/) OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.4 to the public in early June, Apple has seeded the first beta of OS X 10.8.5, Build 12F9, to developers. According to 9to5Mac (http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/19/apple-seeds-first-os-x-mountain-lion-10-8-5-beta-to-developers-retail/), Apple has also seeded the 10.8.5 beta to its Retail Team.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/beta1085-800x253.png
Apple also released a developer preview (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/10/apple-gives-developers-access-to-os-x-mavericks/) of OS X Mavericks last week, which is expected to be released to the public this fall.

The update is available through the software update tool in the Mac App Store and Apple's Developer Page (https://developer.apple.com/).

Article Link: Apple Seeds First OS X 10.8.5 Beta to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/19/apple-seeds-first-os-x-10-8-5-beta-to-developers/)



Michaelgtrusa
Jun 19, 2013, 03:35 PM
This may come sooner than expected.

portishead
Jun 19, 2013, 03:36 PM
I just assumed everyone was on 10.9 already.

Walter White
Jun 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
Small seed. Just over 200 MB.

ogremoustro
Jun 19, 2013, 04:00 PM
What are Delta and Combo update installers?

decimortis
Jun 19, 2013, 04:06 PM
"Sometime in the fall?" Come on now, we all know it'll be the last day of Fall. ;)

D.

Bear
Jun 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
What are Delta and Combo update installers?A Combo update will update from any 10.8.x version to 10.8.5. And a Delta (or point) update is from 10.8.4 to 10.8.5.

"Sometime in the fall?" Come on now, we all know it'll be the last day of Fall. ;)

D.For any other season, I would agree with you. For fall, that puts it at a real bad time to release software due to the holidays. I am guessing September/October for Mavericks release.

obitow
Jun 19, 2013, 04:08 PM
What are Delta and Combo update installers?

Delta: you need 10.8.4
Combo: you can install in any version of 10.8

SandboxGeneral
Jun 19, 2013, 04:09 PM
What are the things Apple is asking developers to focus on in the 18.8.5 seed?

Kariya
Jun 19, 2013, 04:11 PM
What are the things Apple is asking developers to focus on in the 18.8.5 seed?

WiFi
Graphics
Safari

Peace
Jun 19, 2013, 04:15 PM
What are the things Apple is asking developers to focus on in the 18.8.5 seed?

Known Issues

- None

Focus Areas

- Wi-Fi
- Graphics
- Wake from Sleep
- PDF viewing and Accessibility

SandboxGeneral
Jun 19, 2013, 04:15 PM
WiFi
Graphics
Safari

Known Issues

- None

Focus Areas

- Wi-Fi
- Graphics
- Wake from Sleep
- PDF viewing and Accessibility

Thank you. :)

Shrink
Jun 19, 2013, 04:19 PM
I just assumed everyone was on 10.9 already.

Interesting assumption.

A trifle myopic...some of us choose to wait for the GM.

Patience is a virtue...;)

portishead
Jun 19, 2013, 04:24 PM
Interesting assumption.

A trifle myopic...some of us choose to wait for the GM.

Patience is a virtue...;)

Yeah it was more of a sarcasm. I have no idea what trifle myopic means, I'm gonna have to hit the dictionary. ABL! Always be learning!

Peace
Jun 19, 2013, 04:27 PM
Yeah it was more of a sarcasm. I have no idea what trifle myopic means, I'm gonna have to hit the dictionary. ABL! Always be learning!

Highlight then right click on the words and you too can learn something !!

Shrink
Jun 19, 2013, 04:29 PM
Yeah it was more of a sarcasm. I have no idea what trifle myopic means, I'm gonna have to hit the dictionary. ABL! Always be learning!

Oops...sorry I missed the sarcasm! :o

portishead
Jun 19, 2013, 04:34 PM
Highlight then right click on the words and you too can learn something !!

I see that magnifying glass pop up sometimes, but I always forget to use it.

----------

Oops...sorry I missed the sarcasm! :o

well I didn't make it obvious, so I take responsibility.

Mr. Retrofire
Jun 19, 2013, 04:47 PM
What are the things Apple is asking developers to focus on in the 18.8.5 seed?
Info:
Installation instructions
Click Update to download and install the 10.8.5 seed. You will not be able to revert back to your previous system after updating. Please install this update on a system or partition you are prepared to erase if necessary. As this is a pre-release build, it is not advisable to use this software on a production system with information on it that you depend on for your business. You should back-up all of your data before installing this software and regularly back up data while using this software. You need to understand the instructions for reinstalling OS X Mountain Lion. Please read this entire article before installing the software update seed, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718.

Focus Areas
- Wi-Fi
- Graphics Drivers
- Safari

Legal Notices
Use of this confidential, pre-release software is subject to the Software License Agreement for Apple Confidential OS X Pre-Release Seed Updates presented upon installation of the OS X Software Update Seed Configuration Utility. The original Software License Agreement that accompanied commercially-available versions of the software being updated does not apply to these pre-release seed updates.

Lancer
Jun 19, 2013, 04:55 PM
Hope this fixes the sleep issues I have with my new iMac, loosing network drives after waking from deep sleep. Also USB drives being disconnected unexpectedly after waking up.

tdtran1025
Jun 19, 2013, 05:25 PM
I saw an invitation to buy new Macbook pro in mailbox. This update consolidates new graphics driver from Intel, AMD, and NVidia present in 10.9. Of special interest here may be the Intel Iris Pro HD5200.

katewes
Jun 19, 2013, 06:24 PM
Any update on ML's shutdown speed with 10.8.5? Is it snappier?

e.g. Lion had fast shutdown speed, so why can't Mountain Lion have similar or slightly slower shutdown than Lion - e.g. Lion shuts down in 2-3 seconds whereas Mountain Lion shuts down in 20-30 seconds. No matter what people say about the time needed to shutdown lots of processes, it does not explain why Mountain Lion's shutdown is so much longer than Lion's.

verniesgarden
Jun 19, 2013, 06:36 PM
Patience is a virtue...;)

as I always joke, "name one thing good that's ever come from patience."

isn't there a saying about the the early bird gets the worm?

weaterneyes
Jun 19, 2013, 06:50 PM
as I always joke, "name one thing good that's ever come from patience."

isn't there a saying about the the early bird gets the worm?


"And the second mouse gets the cheese"

Shrink
Jun 19, 2013, 07:11 PM
as I always joke, "name one thing good that's ever come from patience."

isn't there a saying about the the early bird gets the worm?

A non-buggy,well tested, 10.9. ;)

Mr. Retrofire
Jun 19, 2013, 07:22 PM
Hope this fixes the sleep issues I have with my new iMac, loosing network drives after waking from deep sleep. Also USB drives being disconnected unexpectedly after waking up.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Updated kernel extensions and frameworks in this delta update (newer than in 10.8.4 GM):
AMDRadeonAccelerator.kext
AMDRadeonVADriver.bundle
AMDRadeonX3000GLDriver.bundle
AMDRadeonX4000GLDriver.bundle
AppleACPIPlatform.kext
AppleAHCIPort.kext
AppleAPIC.kext
AppleBacklight.kext
AppleBacklightExpert.kext
AppleCameraInterface.kext
AppleEFIRuntime.kext
AppleGraphicsPowerManagement.kext
AppleHDA.kext
AppleHIDKeyboard.kext
AppleHSSPIHIDDriver.kext
AppleHSSPISupport.kext
AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext
AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient.kext
AppleIntelFramebufferAzul.kext
AppleIntelFramebufferCapri.kext
AppleIntelHD3000Graphics.kext
AppleIntelHD3000GraphicsGA.plugin
AppleIntelHD3000GraphicsGLDriver.bundle
AppleIntelHD3000GraphicsVADriver.bundle
AppleIntelHD4000Graphics.kext
AppleIntelHD4000GraphicsGLDriver.bundle
AppleIntelHD4000GraphicsVADriver.bundle
AppleIntelHD5000Graphics.kext
AppleIntelHD5000GraphicsGLDriver.bundle
AppleIntelHD5000GraphicsVADriver.bundle
AppleIntelHDGraphics.kext
AppleIntelHDGraphicsFB.kext
AppleIntelHDGraphicsGA.plugin
AppleIntelHDGraphicsGLDriver.bundle
AppleIntelHDGraphicsVADriver.bundle
AppleIntelHSWVA.bundle
AppleIntelIVBVA.bundle
AppleIntelLpssDmac.kext
AppleIntelLpssGspi.kext
AppleIntelLpssSpiController.kext
AppleIntelSNBGraphicsFB.kext
AppleIntelSNBVA.bundle
AppleLPC.kext
AppleMikeyHIDDriver.kext
AppleMultitouchDriver.kext
ApplePlatformEnabler.kext
AppleSMBusController.kext
AppleSMBusPCI.kext
AppleSMC.kext
AppleSMCLMU.kext
AppleStorageDrivers.kext
AppleThunderboltDPAdapters.kext
AppleThunderboltEDMService.kext
AppleThunderboltNHI.kext
AppleThunderboltPCIAdapters.kext
AppleThunderboltUTDM.kext
AppleTopCase.kext
AppleUpstreamUserClient.kext
AppleUSBAudio.kext
ATI2400Controller.kext
ATI2600Controller.kext
ATI3800Controller.kext
ATI4600Controller.kext
ATI4800Controller.kext
ATI5000Controller.kext
ATI6000Controller.kext
ATI7000Controller.kext
ATIFramebuffer.kext
ATIRadeonX2000.kext
ATIRadeonX2000GA.plugin
ATIRadeonX2000GLDriver.bundle
ATIRadeonX2000VADriver.bundle
ATISupport.kext
AudioAUUC.kext
CoreStorage.kext
GeForce.kext
GeForceGA.plugin
GeForceGLDriver.bundle
GeForceVADriver.bundle
IO80211Family.kext
IOAccelerator2D.plugin
IOAcceleratorFamily.kext
IOAcceleratorFamily2.kext
IOAHCIFamily.kext
IOAudioFamily.kext
IOBluetoothFamily.kext
IOBluetoothHIDDriver.kext
IOFireWireFamily.kext
IOGraphicsFamily.kext
IOHIDFamily.kext
IONDRVSupport.kext
IONetworkingFamily.kext
IOPCIFamily.kext
IOPlatformPluginFamily.kext
IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily.kext
IOThunderboltFamily.kext
IOUSBAttachedSCSI.kext
IOUSBFamily.kext
IOUSBMassStorageClass.kext
IOVideoFamily.kext
MrRetrofireOS.kext
NVDAGF100Hal.kext
NVDAGK100Hal.kext
NVDANV50Hal.kext
NVDAResman.kext
NVDAStartup.kext
OSvKernDSPLib.kext
PromiseSTEX.kext
System.kext
vecLib.kext

Accelerate.framework
ApplicationServices.framework
AudioToolbox.framework
AudioUnit.framework
AVFoundation.framework
CoreAudio.framework
CoreGraphics.framework
CoreMediaIO.framework
CoreWLAN.framework
IOBluetooth.framework
IOBluetoothUI.framework
IOKit.framework
Kernel.framework
Message.framework
OpenCL.framework
OpenGL.framework
QTKit.framework
Quartz.framework
QuickTime.framework
StoreKit.framework
vecLib.framework

M5RahuL
Jun 19, 2013, 08:24 PM
Probably roll out to GM on Monday...

tywebb13
Jun 19, 2013, 08:53 PM
I'm just glad they kept the safari 6.0.5 in this build. The safari 6.1 released recently has been problematic. I tried it for a while but had to uninstall and go back to 6.0.5.

SirYossi
Jun 19, 2013, 09:29 PM
Wonders if they will fix the wifi issues on 2007 and 2008 MBP so that i do not have to patch in the file from OS X.7 to make it work with audio streaming and wireless backups?


Known Issues

- None

Focus Areas

- Wi-Fi
- Graphics
- Wake from Sleep
- PDF viewing and Accessibility

ScottishCaptain
Jun 19, 2013, 09:33 PM
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Updated kernel extensions and frameworks in this delta update (newer than in 10.8.4 GM):

What the hell is MrRetrofireOS.kext?

-SC

MrNomNoms
Jun 19, 2013, 09:45 PM
I just assumed everyone was on 10.9 already.

OS X 10.9 does a lot of under the hood changes so I wouldn't be surprised if wrapping things up for Lion will give customers some leg room to keep using Lion till issues in third party applications are addressed before upgrading. It is good that Apple is supporting so that more conservative adopters can keep with their current configuration till they're confident that OS X 10.9 is ready for them and their work flow.

I'm just glad they kept the safari 6.0.5 in this build. The safari 6.1 released recently has been problematic. I tried it for a while but had to uninstall and go back to 6.0.5.

When was Safari 6.1 released because I'm running Safari 6.0.5 that came with 10.8.4 and I ran update just then and nothing has happened :confused:

tywebb13
Jun 19, 2013, 10:50 PM
June 10.

It only shows up for developers.

It keeps showing up for me in the mas updates but now I just ignore it because I don't want it.

Mr. Retrofire
Jun 19, 2013, 10:54 PM
I'm just glad they kept the safari 6.0.5 in this build. The safari 6.1 released recently has been problematic. I tried it for a while but had to uninstall and go back to 6.0.5.
What is the problem in 6.1?

tywebb13
Jun 19, 2013, 10:57 PM
One of my email accounts uses the microsoft outlook web app and it isn't fully functional in safari 6.1. But it works perfectly in 6.0.5.

(Note to developers: If you install safari 6.1 from the mas and also find you don't like it and want to go back to 6.0.5, you can get the uninstaller from the mac dev center or safari dev center.)

Mr. Retrofire
Jun 19, 2013, 10:57 PM
What the hell is MrRetrofireOS.kext?

-SC
Just a test for you, SC. :p

commander.data
Jun 19, 2013, 11:57 PM
Are there any new OpenGL extensions? Mavericks added both OpenGL 3.3 and 4.1 support, although not direct OpenGL 4.0 support (no GLSL 4.0). OpenGL 4.1 support is no doubt going to be kept exclusive to Mavericks, but is there any chance OpenGL 3.3 will be back-ported to Mountain Lion, especially since partial OpenGL 3.3 extension support is already present?

ewartjohn11
Jun 20, 2013, 01:08 AM
Any update on ML's shutdown speed with 10.8.5? Is it snappier?

e.g. Lion had fast shutdown speed, so why can't Mountain Lion have similar or slightly slower shutdown than Lion - e.g. Lion shuts down in 2-3 seconds whereas Mountain Lion shuts down in 20-30 seconds. No matter what people say about the time needed to shutdown lots of processes, it does not explain why Mountain Lion's shutdown is so much longer than Lion's.

LOL I'm sorry but Lion was NOT snappy in it's shut down. What they need to get, is the speed and fine tuning that Snow Leopard had. Literally from the time you hit shut down it took 3-4 seconds to shut down and power off completely. THAT is what I'm expecting for Mavericks, but not from any sort of Mountain Lion update.

ctakah
Jun 20, 2013, 02:31 AM
I hope it's compatible with flash player, creative cloud edition.

AnonMac50
Jun 20, 2013, 04:15 AM
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Updated kernel extensions and frameworks in this delta update (newer than in 10.8.4 GM):

They're having frameworks in the extensions folder?

Mike MA
Jun 20, 2013, 05:02 AM
Every update is appreciated. 10.9 is still far away.

Mr. Retrofire
Jun 20, 2013, 07:23 AM
They're having frameworks in the extensions folder?
No, just a typo. Corrected. Thanks. :-)

katewes
Jun 20, 2013, 07:38 AM
LOL I'm sorry but Lion was NOT snappy in it's shut down. What they need to get, is the speed and fine tuning that Snow Leopard had. Literally from the time you hit shut down it took 3-4 seconds to shut down and power off completely. THAT is what I'm expecting for Mavericks, but not from any sort of Mountain Lion update.

But for my Lion installation, the shutdown was 3-4 seconds. I did a clean wipe followed by a clean install, plus only Lion-compatible apps. Maybe that contributed to my Lion shutdown was 3-4 seconds. I have had several Snow Leopard Macs, and I confirm that my Lion shutdown was as fast as the Snow Leopards. Hence why I miss that fast shutdown on Mountain Lion.

Spinnetti
Jun 20, 2013, 08:59 AM
Hope this fixes the sleep issues I have with my new iMac, loosing network drives after waking from deep sleep. Also USB drives being disconnected unexpectedly after waking up.

I'm not an expert here, but this has been the case forever. At least is better than my old imac that upon resume from sleep it thought it didn't have a wireless card (Apple acknowledged the bug but never fixed it). I added my network drives to my startup items and it seems to have helped quite a bit. At least I don't have to go fishing for iphoto library any more (I keep it on my time capsule so all my macs can use one library for iphoto and itunes instead of duplicating things all over the place). I suspect this will work for your issue too.

MrNomNoms
Jun 20, 2013, 09:32 AM
June 10.

It only shows up for developers.

It keeps showing up for me in the mas updates but now I just ignore it because I don't want it.

But you said:

The safari 6.1 released recently has been problematic

Which implies that it has been 'released' to the public when in reality you're complaining about a beta that is only available to developers and thus hasn't been 'released'.

Twimfy
Jun 20, 2013, 05:34 PM
But you said:



Which implies that it has been 'released' to the public when in reality you're complaining about a beta that is only available to developers and thus hasn't been 'released'.

I think the term 'released' is fair use in a thread discussing a beta.

AnonMac50
Jun 21, 2013, 07:28 AM
No, just a typo. Corrected. Thanks. :-)

Ah, you scared me :p

thomaskc
Jun 21, 2013, 08:08 AM
If someone doesn't mind, can I get someone running this new 10.8.5 to go into preferences > CUDA and post the Nvidia GPU driver version with this update?

I would like to compare to 10.9 DP1 which is running on version
GPU Driver Version: 8.18.2 310.40.05b03

?

Thanks

milo
Jun 21, 2013, 08:41 AM
Looks like 8.14..44 310.40.00.10f02.

I've also heard that 10.8.5 includes openGL support up to 4.0 (slightly behind 10.9 which has some 4.1 or 4.2).

Walter White
Jun 21, 2013, 09:18 AM
Looks like 8.14..44 310.40.00.10f02.

I've also heard that 10.8.5 includes openGL support up to 4.0 (slightly behind 10.9 which has some 4.1 or 4.2).

If it does then not in this seed.

beestigbeestje
Jun 22, 2013, 06:10 PM
Mountain Lion still needs a lot of polishing. ML never felt as fast as snow leopard was for me. Even with my rmbp and a speedy ssd, not quite the performance I hoped it would be. Still choppy and laggy UI performance.


I hoped by 10.8.5 it would have been smooth sailing. I guess I'll have to wait for a decent release of 10.9

Ddyracer
Jun 22, 2013, 08:56 PM
Mountain Lion still needs a lot of polishing. ML never felt as fast as snow leopard was for me. Even with my rmbp and a speedy ssd, not quite the performance I hoped it would be. Still choppy and laggy UI performance.


I hoped by 10.8.5 it would have been smooth sailing. I guess I'll have to wait for a decent release of 10.9

i hear ya brother and i hope so as well.

-BigMac-
Jun 22, 2013, 10:27 PM
I'm just glad they kept the safari 6.0.5 in this build. The safari 6.1 released recently has been problematic. I tried it for a while but had to uninstall and go back to 6.0.5.

get on 7.0. i haven't had any problems with it so far. what problems are you seeing on 6.1?

tywebb13
Jun 22, 2013, 11:00 PM
Yes. I also have safari 7.0 in mavericks.

As I said before, one of my email accounts uses the microsoft outlook web app and it isn't fully functional in safari 6.1. It's not fully functional in 7.0 either. But it works perfectly in 6.0.5.