iTunes 6.0.2 and QuickTime 7.0.4 [Archive]

MacRumors

Jan 10, 2006, 05:02 PM

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iTunes 6.0.2 is now in Software Update:

With iTunes 6, you can preview, buy, and download over 2,000 music videos and hit TV shows on the iTunes Music Store and sync your music and purchased videos with iPod to enjoy on the go. To watch purchased videos, you must have QuickTime 7.0.3 or later and Mac OS X 10.3.9 or later.

iTunes 6.0.2 includes stability and performance improvements over iTunes 6.0.1.

Note: After purchasing music from the iTunes Music Store with iTunes 6 or later, you will also need to upgrade your other computers that purchase music from the iTunes Music Store to the latest version of iTunes.

The most visible change to iTunes is the MiniStore, a panel that appears below playlists, showing items from the iTunes Music Store. This feature can be turned on and off using Show/Hide MiniStore in the Edit menu or via a new button at the bottom right of the iTunes window. This feature is "on" by default.

QuickTime 7.0.4 has also been released:

QuickTime 7.0.4 is an important release that delivers numerous bug fixes, support for iLife '06, and H.264 performance improvements. This update is highly recommended for all QuickTime 7 users.

QuickTime Pro Users not previously using QuickTime 7 will lose QuickTime Pro functionality without purchasing a new key.

Doctor Q

Jan 10, 2006, 05:04 PM

Personally, I'm annoyed by the new ads (that's what the MiniStore is) appearing by default without my permission.

2nyRiggz

Jan 10, 2006, 05:16 PM

yes im really annoyed with this ad crap to the bottom....what are they thinking *finally got on MR*

Bless

Nermal

Jan 10, 2006, 05:34 PM

Personally, I'm annoyed by the new ads (that's what the MiniStore is) appearing by default without my permission.

Especially when they advertise something which you can't even buy, due to geographic restrictions!

Lacero

Jan 10, 2006, 05:37 PM

Command+Shift+M will be your friend. Learn it well. Use it. Profit from it.

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

FireArse

Jan 10, 2006, 05:45 PM

Command+Shift+M will be your friend. Learn it well. Use it. Profit from it.

You Legend.

treblah

Jan 10, 2006, 05:54 PM

Apple can shove that 'MiniStore' where the sun don't shine.

I am happy to see that older music videos downloaded as part of albums now have a 'poster frame' set as opposed to the black square. It seems to be a random frame though and I can't change it. :confused:

nagromme

Jan 10, 2006, 06:10 PM

I will definitely click the mini-store off :)

Now how about a checkbox to let us reverse the action of those little Store cross-link arrows next to everything in your library? I know you can turn them off, but if you option-click they cross link to YOUR library instead of to the store, and that's so useful it's worth keeping the link dots enabled. But I don't want to option-click. I want that function reversed.

Stridder44

Jan 10, 2006, 06:29 PM

hob

Jan 10, 2006, 06:58 PM

Check out iTunes prefs, click General tab, de-select the "Show links to the Music Store" checkbox
Nah, he doesn't want to rid them, but I also would like something like this... maybe and applescript is in order?

Does the mini-advertising campaign load up each time you load iTunes? If so, I can't believe Apple sometimes!!

agentkow

Jan 10, 2006, 07:35 PM

Eraserhead

Jan 10, 2006, 07:38 PM

Does the mini-advertising campaign load up each time you load iTunes? If so, I can't believe Apple sometimes!!
No but its still awful...

daddy-mojo

Jan 10, 2006, 07:42 PM

I updated itunes and QT with the updates released today and there is no reference to a mini store in my itunes at all. even tried the command shift m and still nothing. can someone post a screen shot. Also, apple has pulled the QT update and posted a 7.0.1 re-installer. Maybe that has something to do with it.

edit. got it. in the regular library. I thought it was something in the music store itself like the Just For You section. Yah, that sucks. Don't need that.

seigel

Jan 10, 2006, 07:50 PM

Right, so is this an airport express update, itunes update, or a 10.4.4 update...I didn't seem to get it with the itunes update, I haven't seen an airport express update, and well I am downloading 10.4.4 update now :)

Cheers
James.

But in my opinion, the bigest improvement is...

Okay I just fired up iTunes and guess what I found: if you are playing music through Airtunes, in the little pulldown menu where you choose the remote speaker you can choose Multiple Speakers and play through more than one at a time!

I am currently listening to music through both my Airport Express and my computer at the same time and in-sync with each other.

I don't know if it has to do with the Airport updates I did earlier today (which were realeased on January 3rd but I never saw until I was on the Apple download page trying to get the OS 10.4.4 update), but it works well and is, I think, a major new feature for iTunes/Airtunes.

agentkow

Jan 10, 2006, 07:54 PM

Right, so is this an airport express update, itunes update, or a 10.4.4 update...I didn't seem to get it with the itunes update, I haven't seen an airport express update, and well I am downloading 10.4.4 update now :)

Cheers
James.

The Aiport Express Update is here: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/airportexpressfirmwareupdate63formacosx.html

There is an Airport Extreme update as well.

jhero

Jan 10, 2006, 08:10 PM

guys, just press the 4th button to the right at the bottom...

and they pulled the 7.0.4 updater...

why???

johnji

Jan 10, 2006, 08:10 PM

Does anyone have anything to report on the Quicktime update? I'm desperately hoping that the advertised H.264 improvements will speed up encoding in this codec.

I'm right in the middle of compressing an only 5 minutes long video using Compressor on a Dual G5 2.0/2.5 GB RAM which incredibly still has 20 hours to go!!?!

I'm stopping now to install the Quicktime and 10.4.4 updates which fingers crossed will add a noticible improvement to this situation.

mumbai

Jan 10, 2006, 08:29 PM

and they pulled the 7.0.4 updater... why???
Maybe because I'm not alone in that 7.0.4 update hosed my 10.3.9 machine ... Java applications crashing ... Disk Utility dying during permissions verification ... utter hilarity ensuing ...

A MacFixIt post mentioning the 7.0.4->7.0.1 downgrader -- http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime701reinstallerforquicktime704.html -- spared me the pain of a QT-borked system.

Good catch, Apple. :)

{edit out logorrhea}

swheeler

Jan 10, 2006, 09:02 PM

When I first saw the ministore I couldn't figure out how to turn it off. Had me worried until I came here.

Laser47

Jan 10, 2006, 09:13 PM

When I first saw the ministore I couldn't figure out how to turn it off. Had me worried until I came here.
I felt the same way, at least we are able to hide it.

TheArchpadre

Jan 10, 2006, 09:18 PM

So iTunes now supports half-star ratings. Kind of. Badly.

I use a number of AppleScripts to provide a finer-grained rating system, the neutral point of which is 50. (For those who don't know, iTunes ratings are actually from 0 to 100. *=20, **=40, ***=60, and so on.) All songs still at this neutral point now show up as **1/2. However, songs that have been increased to somewhere between **1/2 and *** stars register as just **, so the system doesn't round down properly. Furthermore, I haven't been able to find a way to actually give a song a half-star rating within iTunes.

Peculiar.

mad jew

Jan 10, 2006, 09:23 PM

I don't really like the traffic lights on the mini mode but I'll probably live with them all the same... At least they only go like this when the curser is nearby.

maxterpiece

Jan 10, 2006, 10:27 PM

wow, turbo negro - I'm gonna have to check him out. Is he in the music store?

~Shard~

Jan 10, 2006, 10:32 PM

Yeah, can't say I'm a big fan of this either - I thought Apple was above this type of advertising, as it kind of cheapens the app, but ah well - at least you can disable it...

mad jew

Jan 10, 2006, 10:34 PM

wow, turbo negro - I'm gonna have to check him out. Is he in the music store?

It's possibly the worst song I've ever heard. It's from my brother's CD and I really doubt it's on iTMS. :D

alexstein

Jan 10, 2006, 10:36 PM

I don't like the new mini store either. It sticks out like an eyesore or something. I'm hiding it for now but like with everything I'm pretty sure we will get used to it or Apple gets so many complaints that they just drop it with the next update!:eek:

bketchum

Jan 10, 2006, 10:48 PM

Is this new? I can see the x, +, and - signs on the "traffic lights.

I don't really like the traffic lights on the mini mode but I'll probably live with them all the same... At least they only go like this when the curser is nearby.

mad jew

Jan 10, 2006, 10:53 PM

Yeah, I didn't notice it in 6.0.1.

ChrisFromCanada

Jan 11, 2006, 01:01 AM

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Anyone else notice in Quicktime 7.0.4 that when you go to full screen it fades everything in the background while the video is scaling to fit the screen. COOL!

JupiterTwo

Jan 11, 2006, 04:02 AM

maxterpiece

Jan 11, 2006, 05:01 AM

It's possibly the worst song I've ever heard. It's from my brother's CD and I really doubt it's on iTMS. :D

maybe in the mini-store?

My quicktime 7.0.4 crashes when I try to play an mpeg while disconnected from the internet. I can prevent the crash by opening two movies before i play the movie I desire, or by leaving the little quicktime window open that comes on when you open quicktime directly (instead of by opening a file that demands it).

instantdan

Jan 11, 2006, 05:47 AM

So, in the excitement of yesterday, I updated qt, itunes and 10.4.4 (in that order) and everything works fine except for one thing, itunes won't play ANY music!!! It opens perfectly and faster than before but either when I double click on a song or I choose one and press play, it will crash no matter what. I have tried reinstalling itunes and nothing, then I reinstalled qt and nothing again, there's still the same problem.

Has anybody had the same issue? Please help! my life has become suddenly silent!!!:confused:

kenzbud

Jan 11, 2006, 05:58 AM

I personaly like the fact I can turn the mini store on and off cuz it shows other cd's by the same artist that i otherwise might not have know about.

centauratlas

Jan 11, 2006, 07:39 AM

Butters

Jan 11, 2006, 07:41 AM

Don't like the mini store, scared me a little at first too with the thought that it may not be get-rid-able, but hey atleast we can hide it :) and i'm sure somebody out there will find it useful.

Another addition to iTunes that I'm liking the sound of is the ability to encode videos within iTunes.

Haven't played with this feature much but I have some .movs in my library that I liked but weren't compatable with iPod and wouldn't re-encode with 3rd party apps for some reason. Now using iTunes I can convert these to an iPod friendly format.. without even leaving the app :).

mad jew

Jan 11, 2006, 07:41 AM

Has anyone got multiple airport expresses to confirm whether this works across those, or just one express and the computer?

I've been hopeing for this feature for ages :)

Same. I'm playing through my Mac and two Expresses at the moment. :)

yojitani

Jan 11, 2006, 09:48 AM

BTW. You can hide the ministore by clicking the 'Show or Hide Ministore" button. It's right next to the ipod looking button at the bottom.

YOJ

hob

Jan 11, 2006, 10:07 AM

OH MY GOD!

They've done the coolest thing with quicktime 7.0.4... Now, if you full screen, not only does the window slowly expand to fit the screen, but it fades to black as well now, AND the dock automatically hides.

When you're in full screen, if an icon in the dock bounces, you see a little tiny part of it - and when you move the mouse to where your dock is, the dock automatically comes up!

Try it!

EDIT:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Anyone else notice in Quicktime 7.0.4 that when you go to full screen it fades everything in the background while the video is scaling to fit the screen. COOL!

Oops, you beat me to it! But noone else seems to be excited about it! It's really cool!!

Lacero

Jan 11, 2006, 10:13 AM

You can also play videos fullscreen in the background while you got other apps in front, like what I have now, Safari opened.

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

mcmadhatter

Jan 11, 2006, 10:14 AM

wattage

Jan 11, 2006, 10:16 AM

I know you can turn them off, but if you option-click they cross link to YOUR library instead of to the store, and that's so useful it's worth keeping the link dots enabled. But I don't want to option-click. I want that function reversed.
I didn't know about that shorcut....Nice

centauratlas

Jan 11, 2006, 10:16 AM

Same. I'm playing through my Mac and two Expresses at the moment. :)

I have an extreme base station and two expresses and can't get "multiple" to show up in iTunes.

Anyone else see it working in that configuration? Or does it have to go directly from computer to the Expresses?

:-)

seigel

Jan 11, 2006, 11:00 AM

Upgrade the firmware in the expresses then it will show up if you have the latest itunes. Worked for me.

Cheers
James.

I have an extreme base station and two expresses and can't get "multiple" to show up in iTunes.

Anyone else see it working in that configuration? Or does it have to go directly from computer to the Expresses?

:-)

thenightfly42

Jan 11, 2006, 11:12 AM

Now how about a checkbox to let us reverse the action of those little Store cross-link arrows next to everything in your library?
Here you go: macosxhints - Modify the iTunes 4.5 link arrows' behavior (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040429122915489)
If, like me, you think the Option-click method should be the standard, quit iTunes, open a Terminal window, and type:

defaults write com.apple.iTunes invertStoreLinks -bool YES

When you re-launch iTunes, you'll find that clicking the arrow now takes you to your Library, and an Option-click takes you to the store. If, for some reason, you find that you'd like the old method back, just repeat the above command with NO at the end, instead of YES.
I expect it will still work, although I haven't tried it myself.

Bad Beaver

Jan 11, 2006, 11:43 AM

Great, all updates done & iTunes crashes everytime I press play :mad: WTF?! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Bad Beaver

Jan 11, 2006, 11:59 AM

Great, all updates done & iTunes crashes everytime I press play :mad: WTF?! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Found it - it's the OSS 3D Plugin. Remove it & iTunes will work fine. Come on Apple, last time it was Sizzling Keys, now that - what's up? Gawd, it feels like Windows... :mad:

m-dogg

Jan 11, 2006, 12:46 PM

Personally, I'm annoyed by the new ads (that's what the MiniStore is) appearing by default without my permission.

Me too. Today they add this defaulted on with an option to turn off. I fear that next it will be permanent.

Don't shove the music store down my throat Apple, thank you very much.

centauratlas

Jan 11, 2006, 12:59 PM

Upgrade the firmware in the expresses then it will show up if you have the latest itunes. Worked for me.

Cheers
James.

The two AirPort Expresses are running "Apple Base Station V6.2" according to AirPort Admin Utility. I think that is the current version, but am checking to see.

Both play music fine, interact with the AE base station fine (via join existing network), but I don't see the option to play over both at once. I did reset one of the expresses and started over from the beginning to make sure it wasn't something like that and it is the same too. Odd.

mkamper

Jan 11, 2006, 01:00 PM

Lacero

Jan 11, 2006, 01:02 PM

Here you go: macosxhints - Modify the iTunes 4.5 link arrows' behavior (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040429122915489)
Good hint. I'll save this for a future search.

defaults write com.apple.iTunes invertStoreLinks -bool YES

Keywords: iTunes modify change arrow behavior

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

Doctor Q

Jan 11, 2006, 01:05 PM

i don't know if anyone else has seen this but according to this boingboing.net article, everytime you double-click a song in iTunes with the Ministore open - it sends out what that song and artist is and updates the Ministore with other songs by that artist. in short, Apple has turned iTunes into spyware.It shouldn't be long before somebody studies the data on the network and tells us whether or not it does this when the MiniStore display is turned off.

Edit: It's already been done. iTunes does not transmit tune information when the Ministore is not visible.

centauratlas

Jan 11, 2006, 01:15 PM

The two AirPort Expresses are running "Apple Base Station V6.2" according to AirPort Admin Utility. I think that is the current version, but am checking to see.

Both play music fine, interact with the AE base station fine (via join existing network), but I don't see the option to play over both at once. I did reset one of the expresses and started over from the beginning to make sure it wasn't something like that and it is the same too. Odd.

I found it. I found an updater at http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ that didn't seem to be downloaded with the previous update.

That was the problem. The updater is v 6.3 and the current version installed is 6.2. Updating to 6.3 gives the "multiple speakers" option.

The key is not to rely on "Software Update" to let you know whether or not everything has the current version.

[edited so that it had the full solution.]

agentkow

Jan 11, 2006, 01:30 PM

Here you go: macosxhints - Modify the iTunes 4.5 link arrows' behavior (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040429122915489)

I expect it will still work, although I haven't tried it myself.

I had that script saved in my iTunes script menu back in 4.5, and it worked great, but it doesn't really work anymore with the arrows turned to your own library, so I wouldn't recommend using it.

instantdan

Jan 11, 2006, 03:14 PM

Found it - it's the OSS 3D Plugin. Remove it & iTunes will work fine. Come on Apple, last time it was Sizzling Keys, now that - what's up? Gawd, it feels like Windows... :mad:

Thanks BB, I was about to go crazy on the poor little iBook! Now it works!

IanC

Jan 11, 2006, 04:23 PM

i don't know if anyone else has seen this but according to this boingboing.net article, everytime you double-click a song in iTunes with the Ministore open - it sends out what that song and artist is and updates the Ministore with other songs by that artist. in short, Apple has turned iTunes into spyware.

No, its just doing what the ministore is meant to - show other songs by the same artist.

Sounds like they are getting heated over nothing.

Cinematographer

Jan 11, 2006, 04:46 PM

No, its just doing what the ministore is meant to - show other songs by the same artist.

Sounds like they are getting heated over nothing.

Apple definitely should ask for the users permission to send the data, at least after the first launch. It would have been so easy for Apple to do it properly. I don't understand why they start with that Sony-like b*********. There's absolutely no need to do that stuff.

And by the way: If we do push back now against that invasion of privacy, the less likely Apple will do it again later.

JupiterTwo

Jan 11, 2006, 04:50 PM

Same. I'm playing through my Mac and two Expresses at the moment. :)

It's just what I wanted, and one more step towards the mac media hub.

However, I'm getting some interesting sync loss issues between the airport and the iMac once it's been running for a few tracks- seems that they haven't built any recovery routines into it yet, or thought to put a re-sync on track change.

Is this noticeable on multiple airport expresses, or just between the ae and 'macs ?

Jetson

Jan 11, 2006, 05:39 PM

After downloading and installing iTunes 6.0.2 and Quicktime 7.0.4, certain apps no longer work.

It's been a practice of mine to repair permissions on my hard drive after a major software update. Well this time Disk Utility fails with the following messages:

Disk Utility Internal error
Disk Utility has lost its connection with the Disk Management Tool and cannot continue. Please quit and launch Disk Utility.
I select quit then:
Operations still in progress
Disk Utility still has some operations in progress.
Quitting in the middle of some operations can leave a disk non-operational.
Are you sure you want to quit?

If I select Don't Quit then Disk Utility simply stalls.

I emailed Apple about this. I've never, ever received any response whatsoever from Apple from other emails I've sent them, so I'm not holding my breath.

It's pretty clear to me that this iTunes and/or Quicktime upgrade has damaged my computer somehow. I'm running OS X 10.3.9 on an eMac 1GHz machine. This is the first time something like this has happened so I guess I've been very lucky until now.

If anyone has ideas for a fix I'd sure appreciate it.

Chundles

Jan 11, 2006, 06:12 PM

Anyone else here notice that when you control-click on a video it gives you the option of converting it to iPod format?

I don't have QT Pro so it must be a system-wide thing. Woohoo!!

I don't think I'll use it but that's a pretty cool addition, thanks Apple.

bodeh6

Jan 11, 2006, 08:29 PM

Flip4Mac codecs for playing WMV in Quicktime are now free at their website. Version 2.0.1 which will be compatible with QT 7.0.4 will be release shortly.

Flip4Mac Download page (http://www.flip4mac.com/wmv_download.htm)

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 11, 2006, 09:42 PM

But in my opinion, the bigest improvement is...

Okay I just fired up iTunes and guess what I found: if you are playing music through Airtunes, in the little pulldown menu where you choose the remote speaker you can choose Multiple Speakers and play through more than one at a time!

I am currently listening to music through both my Airport Express and my computer at the same time and in-sync with each other.

I don't know if it has to do with the Airport updates I did earlier today (which were realeased on January 3rd but I never saw until I was on the Apple download page trying to get the OS 10.4.4 update), but it works well and is, I think, a major new feature for iTunes/Airtunes.

Mentioned in another thread that this really rocks IMO. Would have been greater when I owned my TH, but even being able to use my AEX's t stream music "equally" through my apartment is a great addition!

I updated itunes and QT with the updates released today and there is no reference to a mini store in my itunes at all. even tried the command shift m and still nothing. can someone post a screen shot. Also, apple has pulled the QT update and posted a 7.0.1 re-installer. Maybe that has something to do with it.

edit. got it. in the regular library. I thought it was something in the music store itself like the Just For You section. Yah, that sucks. Don't need that.

For me it was just clicking at the link at the bottom of the iTunes Store....

guys, just press the 4th button to the right at the bottom...

and they pulled the 7.0.4 updater...

why???

That doesn't sound good....

bryantm3

Jan 11, 2006, 10:12 PM

when i try to update iTunes it comes up with a window that says 'Please quit iTunes before beginning this update.' and i quit itunes, and it pops up again, and i click ok, then after about 10x i get frustrated and force quit the update. then i start the update - i don't even install it yet, and it pops up with this BS.
grr.

yojitani

Jan 11, 2006, 11:17 PM

After downloading and installing iTunes 6.0.2 and Quicktime 7.0.4, certain apps no longer work.

Reinstall QT 7.0.1:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime701reinstallerforquicktime704.html

Although I'm running Tiger and most of the problems I've heard about are in Panther (10.3.9), I'm holding off on the QT download.

Hope this helps.
YOJ

autrefois

Jan 11, 2006, 11:19 PM

I know you can turn them off, but if you option-click they cross link to YOUR library instead of to the store

I didn't know about this, thanks for the tip. (Even though you were actually just looking for tip to get it to behave differently, but I don't mind option-clicking.)

As for the MiniStore, I was upset at first because I wasn't asked if I wanted it there or not. I couldn't figure out at first how to turn it off, so I'm sure many other users will feel the same way ( sounds like some of you already have ). Why under "Edit" and not under "Preferences" or possibly "Window"?!

BUT I actually find it pretty useful. There have been many times when I've been curious if iTunes has such or such artist that I have in my library, or if they've expanded what's available for a given artist on the Store since last I looked. The MiniStore is quicker/more convenient than pressing the arrows it seems.

I am a little concerned about privacy. It's obvious iTunes is sending data to the Store, otherwise it couldn't have the current artist show up in the Mini Store window. It's what Apple does with this info that's important. If they don't keep it, then I don't care. If they do keep it and use it to determine buying patterns (like the Just For You thing I shut off), then I do care and will be none too pleased...

devilot

Jan 11, 2006, 11:30 PM

Reinstall QT 7.0.1:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime701reinstallerforquicktime704.html

Although I'm running Tiger and most of the problems I've heard about are in Panther (10.3.9), I'm holding off on the QT download.

Hope this helps.
YOJThank you so much for posting that! Whew. Gonna revert, just in case. :o

mad jew

Jan 11, 2006, 11:41 PM

However, I'm getting some interesting sync loss issues between the airport and the iMac once it's been running for a few tracks- seems that they haven't built any recovery routines into it yet, or thought to put a re-sync on track change.

Is this noticeable on multiple airport expresses, or just between the ae and 'macs ?

I'm playing on my Mac and two Expresses and have been for hours and it's been fine sync-wise. I have pretty good reception to them all and I'm not using up a lot of bandwidth on the network (just the internet) so maybe that's why it's working for me. :)

Jetson

Jan 12, 2006, 01:53 AM

Although I'm running Tiger and most of the problems I've heard about are in Panther (10.3.9), I'm holding off on the QT download.

Hope this helps.
YOJ

I reverted back to QT 7.0.1, but found that iTunes won't display videos that I purchased with anything less than QT 7.0.3, so I reverted to that version:

Install Quicktime 7.0.3 (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/quicktime703.html)

My failed apps now work except for Disk Utility, which still does not work correctly. Apparently QT 7.0.4 wreaked permanent damage to my hard drive. Everything but Disk Utility is working now, however.

bankshot

Jan 12, 2006, 03:44 PM

Okay I just fired up iTunes and guess what I found: if you are playing music through Airtunes, in the little pulldown menu where you choose the remote speaker you can choose Multiple Speakers and play through more than one at a time!

This is excellent. I wonder why it required the AE firmware update, though? I also didn't get the Multiple Speakers option until I upgraded the firmware. It seems like this would be purely an iTunes feature, but maybe the AE is sending back info for synchronization purposes.

On a not so nice note, this feature really hit home just how bad my Apple Pro Speakers (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/4q00/g4cube_cd/images/speakers-big.jpg) sound! :eek: They are just terrible in comparison to my home theater, especially when you hear them side by side. Oy!

Apple needs to extend this feature so that any local computer running iTunes can also act as an Airport Express and play synchronized music. Kind of like sharing, but pushing audio from the primary computer out to others, rather than pulling as it is now. But then I wouldn't have to buy more Airport Expresses for other rooms with computers, so Apple probably won't do it... :rolleyes:

rikers_mailbox

Jan 12, 2006, 06:27 PM

Apple needs to extend this feature so that any local computer running iTunes can also act as an Airport Express and play synchronized music. Kind of like sharing, but pushing audio from the primary computer out to others, rather than pulling as it is now. But then I wouldn't have to buy more Airport Expresses for other rooms with computers, so Apple probably won't do it... :rolleyes:

More importantly... I'd like the ability to send DVD audio through AirTunes while watching the image on my 20". AirTunes support needs to be built into DVDPlayer. Obviously, there are some sync/lag issues that need to be resolved, but the Multiple Speakers option seems to be a step in the right direction.

bankshot

Jan 12, 2006, 07:37 PM

More importantly... I'd like the ability to send DVD audio through AirTunes while watching the image on my 20". AirTunes support needs to be built into DVDPlayer. Obviously, there are some sync/lag issues that need to be resolved, but the Multiple Speakers option seems to be a step in the right direction.

Oh, absolutely! I'd like to see Airport Express added as an option for the system sound output device so that any app could use it. I suppose there's an inherent delay in there, so synchronization could only happen if the app were aware, as you suggest with DVD Player. Maybe QuickTime could handle sync transparently. Wouldn't that be cool?

rikers_mailbox

Jan 12, 2006, 07:48 PM

Oh, absolutely! I'd like to see Airport Express added as an option for the system sound output device so that any app could use it. I suppose there's an inherent delay in there, so synchronization could only happen if the app were aware, as you suggest with DVD Player. Maybe QuickTime could handle sync transparently. Wouldn't that be cool?

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bodeh6

Jan 12, 2006, 09:42 PM

On 10.4.4 and QT 7.0.4 and F4M 2.0.1 is the ultimate combo. My collection of WMVs never played better and also streaming WMVs are so much better. This is awesome. I hated WMP. So crappy on Mac. I really love this.

frome

Jan 12, 2006, 11:25 PM

Personally, I'm annoyed by the new ads (that's what the MiniStore is) appearing by default without my permission.

I agree, the adds are very annoying:mad: . Apple should have not made the defult. It made be usfull to some users but not for me, i guess you could allways turn it off (and the music store). :rolleyes:

Oryan

Jan 12, 2006, 11:38 PM

I don't really like the traffic lights on the mini mode but I'll probably live with them all the same... At least they only go like this when the curser is nearby.
I'm usually really observant, but I never realized that the buttons are the same layout/colors as traffic lights. I guess you learn something new everyday on MR. :)

Doctor Q

Jan 13, 2006, 12:45 AM

I'm usually really observant, but I never realized that the buttons are the same layout/colors as traffic lights.Depending on which country you live in and whether or not the iTunes window is minimized!

Come to think of it, usually all of the "traffic lights" on Mac windows are off at the same time, or all of them are on (enabled) at the same time. That's not the way traffic lights work! Real traffic lights (typically) use three combinations out of the 8 possibilities:

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~cfs/305_html/Gestalt/gestaltGifs/Waltz/Trafficight.gif

Now if we include all possible combinations of on, off, slow blink, and fast blink, we can have those buttons distinguish 64 different states of the window. And drive you crazy at the same time!

pepita

Jan 13, 2006, 04:59 AM

Here you go: macosxhints - Modify the iTunes 4.5 link arrows' behavior (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040429122915489)

I expect it will still work, although I haven't tried it myself.

It does still work -- I'd modified the link arrows behaviour in a previous version of iTunes, and the update did not change that back.

Also, a nice thing I noticed related to the arrows behaviour is they fixed a bug where, if you were in a playlist, and clicked the arrow on artist or album name, *and* had "Show Search Bar" enabled (in the Edit menu) in the main Library window, clicking (or option clicking, depending on whether you had made that modification in the Terminal or not) the arrow would only bring you to the main Library window, in the position you'd left it, not to the actual artist or album you clicked -- now, it does, the artist or album are selected. ie. Now it works the same whether you have "Show Search Bar" enabled or not.

Another nice thing: you can now tag any QuickTime video as "Music Video" or "TV Show" as well as "Movie", directly through the Options panel in Get Info, without the need for any hacks. (Wish I'd known last week this was going to be in the update!)

I never buy stuff from the iTunes music store for a variety of reasons so I don't much care for the mini-store panel either way, but the automatic selection is actually nice to instantly see what other albums from the same artist have been released. I really don't see the concern for privacy, not just cos you can turn the mini-store off, but because I very much doubt they collect and store any of that information (and they certainly wouldn't be allowed to do it in the EU, unless it's just like any search engine works, sending your search data only, without attaching personal data to it) and also, in case you're worried about this, they cannot tell what stuff is ripped from cd or downloaded from a torrent.

Just seems to me that instead of having to manually type a name in the music store search, they just send the search based on what tracks you select in your library. I very much doubt it works differently.

Oryan

Jan 13, 2006, 09:39 AM

Now if we include all possible combinations of on, off, slow blink, and fast blink, we can have those buttons distinguish 64 different states of the window. And drive you crazy at the same time!
Thanks for the analysis. I certainly hope Apple doesn't consider using this scheme anytime soon. :)

Sunrunner

Jan 13, 2006, 09:53 AM

Depending on which country you live in and whether or not the iTunes window is minimized!

Come to think of it, usually all of the "traffic lights" on Mac windows are off at the same time, or all of them are on (enabled) at the same time. That's not the way traffic lights work! Real traffic lights (typically) use three combinations out of the 8 possibilities:

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~cfs/305_html/Gestalt/gestaltGifs/Waltz/Trafficight.gif

Now if we include all possible combinations of on, off, slow blink, and fast blink, we can have those buttons distinguish 64 different states of the window. And drive you crazy at the same time!

Whoah... waaaay too much thouht went into that one... :p

Sunrunner

Jan 13, 2006, 09:54 AM

I agree, the adds are very annoying:mad: . Apple should have not made the defult. It made be usfull to some users but not for me, i guess you could allways turn it off (and the music store). :rolleyes:

I agree, the new ministore is cheesy and much more blatantly commercial for what we expect from Apple. I definitely think it cheapened my iTunes experience...

jonparadise

Jan 13, 2006, 12:23 PM

Rather embarrassingly it's already caused me to buy 2 new remixes of songs I had in my library.

:o

dernhelm

Jan 13, 2006, 04:44 PM

I agree, the new ministore is cheesy and much more blatantly commercial for what we expect from Apple. I definitely think it cheapened my iTunes experience...

As I mentioned here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2045710&postcount=170)
I think the first thing you do is turn that crazy thing off.

Then you do your best to forget it ever existed.

I hope it goes away in future versions...
:mad:

wattage

Jan 13, 2006, 06:22 PM

forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=172365
Another nice thing: you can now tag any QuickTime video as "Music Video" or "TV Show" as well as "Movie", directly through the Options panel in Get Info, without the need for any hacks. (Wish I'd known last week this was going to be in the update!)

Have a look at this thread, I am having trouble getting my newly labeled TV Shows to cooperate with my iPod

Kurt871

Jan 13, 2006, 09:04 PM

Is it just me, or did Apple add some fancy new effects to Full Screen View in QuickTime 7.0.4? When watching a movie and enabling Full Screen (CMD-F), everything outside the movie fades to black while the player resizes to fit the screen, and the Finder bar and Dock slide into the top and bottom of the screen, respectively. Has this been there the whole time? I feel like it's new.

illegalprelude

Jan 13, 2006, 10:59 PM

le sacre

Jan 15, 2006, 01:42 AM

since updating to itunes 6.0.2, my ipod mounts fine in finder, but will not show up in itunes. but i can't find mention of anyone else having the same problem. they couldn't possibly have removed firewire support for old (mine's 3rd gen) ipods, could they have?
--edit: resetting ipod, switching cable, and restarting itunes seems to have fixed the problem.

atomcoeur

Jan 15, 2006, 06:23 AM

since i updated quicktime won't play any mpgs anymore - i reinstalled 7.0.1 - still wouldnt play em - reinstalled 7.0.3 - nada ://

liketom

Jan 15, 2006, 06:36 AM

when i export from 7.04 into H.264 and put up my my website it all plays well from my mac but is crashing on my Windows box running Firefox and Internet Exploiter

and i do not like the mini store :mad:

daliscar55

Jan 15, 2006, 04:53 PM

i updated to the new itunes today and since i did i cant get into my library, eberything still playes fine but no window. it shows the music store and if i turn the music store off it breaks up/off as if freezing.

firstly, is there a way to revert back to the previous itunes, and if not does anyone know how to get this fixed? has anyone else had this problem?

my mp3s need me, they are in limbo........

Bedawyn

Jan 16, 2006, 10:31 PM

So iTunes now supports half-star ratings. Kind of. Badly.

Huh. So that's why my ratings stars are now screwed up. I just noticed today that it now can't use odd numbers of stars in smart playlist criteria -- if I click one star, it automatically goes to two, if I click on three, it automatically goes to four. Hope they get that fixed quickly.

Doctor Q

Jan 18, 2006, 02:04 PM

Apple has changed the MiniStore (see iTunes MiniStore Now Issues Warning (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060118134912.shtml)) for people with iTunes 6.0.2 installed.

I'm surprised, but glad, that they could do this without having to update iTunes again.

They haven't changed the feature itself, so it still uses your song information to give you shopping offers, but I'm glad they reacted to the bad impression they left when they first turned on the feature by default and without warning.

Jetson

Jan 19, 2006, 01:39 AM

First of all I want to express many thanks to mikkif, who sent me a nifty solution to the Disk Utility failure problem associated with iTunes 6.0.2.

I'm still having problems associated with Quicktime 7.0.4

Some of my internet client apps stopped working. Also my external firewire drive will no longer mount. Even after I reverted back to QT 7.0.3, it still won't work!

I've not heard a peep from Apple. I can see from reading the above posts that I'm not the only Mac user experiencing these issues.

I guess I've been very fortunate in the past because this is the first update that has caused me any problems. But after reading all the complaints over the past few years about Apple's updates crippling customers' Macs, I really wonder what the heck those people in Cupertino are doing to insure quality assurance.

Hopefully I can find a way to fix my now unmountable firewire drive.