Intel iMac arrived from China today - first impressions [Archive]

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 07:14 PM

My 20" Intel iMac arrived today. I'm a software developer, so I ordered it online when they were first available last week so I could port my code to intel. (I am the developer of Natural Scene Designer).

I thought I would share my first impressions here. Overall I like it but there are a couple of glitches.

1) When I powered the system on for the first time, it took about 10 minues before it finally recognized my wireless keyboard and mouse (even though they were only a few inches from the base). Finally I brought them to within 1/2 inch and they were recognized. I regret paying $60 extra for the wireless keyboard/mouse option, since I am used to a 2 button mouse and the "Mighty Mouse" has only one. So I'll just swap it with a plain old USB 2 button wired mouse.

2) The display is very nice, bright, with excellent text clarity. The only minor thing is that the edges (especially the bottom) of the display seem slightly darker than the rest of the screen.

3) It is the quietest computer I have ever owned. I can't hear it at all if I back off a few feet. However, the optical drive is quite audible. It makes about the same amount of noise as any other drive, except it sounds unusual when its reading a disc. It reminds me of an old fashioned mechanical adding machine - the kind with a crank and gears.

4) Something is wrong with the built-in wireless internet. It is about 1/8th the speed of my laptop. For example, the laptop downloads at 1750 Kbps, while the iMac only acheives 267 Kbps. I tried them both from the same distance from the router (15 feet) on the same test site (DSL Reports). The iMac reported a signal level of 15 (maximum possible), so I know the iMac was close enough. I use a LinkSys WRT54G router with WAP security. The wireless speed is not usable (like having a dialup modem), so I will have to get this resolved.

5) My kids had a blast with the Photo Booth and the built-in camera.

6) If I want to add a second monitor, I'll need to buy a special adapter cable from Apple :( to convert from the miniature video connector to either standard VGA or DVI.

I'll post more observations after I''ve installed the rest of my software.

Brett

jhero

Jan 16, 2006, 07:17 PM

Oh, that vid adapter didn't come with the computer?? It came with my ibook though :/

Hey, you have a video camera? Could you take vids of it's snappyness if you don't mind? :()

Peace

Jan 16, 2006, 07:22 PM

Oh, that vid adapter didn't come with the computer?? It came with my ibook though :/

Hey, you have a video camera? Could you take vids of it's snappyness if you don't mind? :()

Why didnt you have a developer transition kit ?

Nermal

Jan 16, 2006, 07:22 PM

I am used to a 2 button mouse and the "Mighty Mouse" has only one.

The Mighty Mouse *looks* like it has one, but it actually has two (or maybe three - you can apparently squeeze the sides).

jimsowden

Jan 16, 2006, 07:28 PM

The Mighty Mouse *looks* like it has one, but it actually has two (or maybe three - you can apparently squeeze the sides).
He's wrong. If he got the wireless option, it only has one button, there is no wireless mighty mouse.

jhero

Jan 16, 2006, 07:34 PM

Why didnt you have a developer transition kit ?

eh?

AvSRoCkCO1067

Jan 16, 2006, 07:40 PM

eh?

He could have; remember the article on Apple Insider which stated that Apple allows developers to turn in the 999 dollar developer kits for an iMac for FREE! Plus, developers get to keep the iMac, which is totally sweet - even after they've finished converting over.

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 07:42 PM

Why didnt you have a developer transition kit ?

Because I would have had to "lease" the development system and return to Apple in 2006. I did not know then that they were going to let developers trade the transition kit for a new iMac (to keep). If I had known that ahead of time, I would have done it.

Also, I've been a Mac Developer since 1992 and was there for the 68000 to PPC transition, the OS 9 to OS X transition, and now the Intel switch. I wanted to make sure that everything was stable before I spent the time and money porting to Intel.

I expect it will only take a week or two to get Natural Scene Designer fully optimized for Intel.

Brett

Peace

Jan 16, 2006, 07:43 PM

He could have; remember the article on Apple Insider which stated that Apple allows developers to turn in the 999 dollar developer kits for an iMac for FREE! Plus, developers get to keep the iMac, which is totally sweet - even after they've finished converting over.

exactly!!

I'm waiting on my new free iMac..
Although it's really not free since I paid $999 6 months ago.
I was just wondering.since he does development why he didnt have a DTK..

Because I would have had to "lease" the development system and return to Apple in 2006. I did not know then that they were going to let developers trade the transition kit for a new iMac (to keep). If I had known that ahead of time, I would have done it.

Also, I've been a Mac Developer since 1992 and was there for the 68000 to PPC transition, the OS 9 to OS X transition, and now the Intel switch. I wanted to make sure that everything was stable before I spent the time and money porting to Intel.

I expect it will only take a week or two to get Natural Scene Designer fully optimized for Intel.

Brett

Cool..

In re : wireless mouse and keyboard..The setup manual tells you to place them close to the mac on first set-up..
Re: WiFi..
Don't know why you're having that problem.My DTK works great over airport and since the WiFi onboard the Intels are Intel it should be smooth..

mkrishnan

Jan 16, 2006, 07:57 PM

4) Something is wrong with the built-in wireless internet. It is about 1/8th the speed of my laptop. For example, the laptop downloads at 1750 Kbps, while the iMac only acheives 267 Kbps. I tried them both from the same distance from the router (15 feet) on the same test site (DSL Reports). The iMac reported a signal level of 15 (maximum possible), so I know the iMac was close enough. I use a LinkSys WRT54G router with WAP security. The wireless speed is not usable (like having a dialup modem), so I will have to get this resolved.

Hi Brett,

Well, if you're getting 267 kbps, it isn't "like having a dialup modem" ... since it's more than five times the theoretical maximum speed of a telephone modem. ;)

Couple of suggestions...

1) Is there any chance that your iMac is acquiring an 802.11b connection instead of an 802.11g connection?

2) Try to transfer a file from computer to computer across the network. This will tell you some more about the issue (i.e. you want to see whether you get a fast intranet transfer, even though you get a slow internet transfer).

Some more diagnostic ideas:

3) Open System Preferences -> Networking -> Assist Me... (at the bottom) and run the diagnostic, to see if it spots anything strange about the network.

4) Try temporarily disabling security. Actually, what is "WAP" security? The only "WAP" that I'm familiar with has nothing to do with this kind of wireless networking (it's a cell phone thing). Do you mean WPA? In any event, try turning it off and seeing if it has an impact on speed. You don't have to do it permanently. Just as a test / diagnostic.

I hope you're able to get through these issues quickly, so you can get back to enjoying this thing! :)

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 07:57 PM

Cool..

In re : wireless mouse and keyboard..The setup manual tells you to place them close to the mac on first set-up...I thought 8 inches was close enough. It finally worked at about 1" range.

Don't know why you're having that problem.My DTK works great over airport and since the WiFi onboard the Intels are Intel it should be smooth.Maybe its because I'm using WPA security or some obscure setting. Or maybe the Chineese assembler forgot to connect the internal antenna?

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 08:07 PM

exactly!!

I'm waiting on my new free iMac..
Although it's really not free since I paid $999 6 months ago.
I was just wondering.since he does development why he didnt have a DTK..
One advantage of not getting the DTK is that I ended up with a 20" iMac now. Apple's exchange offer is for an 18" iMac. I love the extra screen real estate.

I don't expect it will take very long to port Natural Scene Designer to Intel, especially since I already have a shipping Windows version with all the differences in byte ordering (little endian vs. big endian) resolved. So I really saw little advantage to getting the DTK.

Also, I just tried the shipping version of Natural Scene Designer Pro (without any changes) and it runs very well in emulation mode. It even makes use of both processors during rendering like the Mac version.

mrichmon

Jan 16, 2006, 08:14 PM

Maybe its because I'm using WPA security or some obscure setting. Or maybe the Chineese assembler forgot to connect the internal antenna?

Or maybe you have picked up a someone else's wireless network? Are you certain you are connected to your own wireless network?

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 08:30 PM

Or maybe you have picked up a someone else's wireless network? Are you certain you are connected to your own wireless network?
Yes, my IP address (as reported by the dslreports web site) matches my address on a hard-wired system. Plus my wireless router activity light blinks in sync with my usage.

I will try WEP (instead of WPA). If that doesn't work I'll disable security.

p0intblank

Jan 16, 2006, 08:46 PM

Congrats on your new iMac! Now we just need pictures. :)

Do you work in Photoshop at all? If so, I would love to see some time trials done.

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 11:39 PM

Thanks for the suggestions for fixing the wireless speed problem.

Through trial and error, I have discovered on my new iMac that wireless with either WEP, WPA2, or no encryption works at full speed. However, in my initial post I was using plain WPA and got 1/8 speed.

After success with WPA2, I went back to WPA as a test and the speed dropped back down to 1/8. So it appears that either my Linksys WRT54G or the Intel iMac has a problem which degrades WPA speed.

I hope this info helps anyone with the same problem.

brettbolt

Jan 16, 2006, 11:51 PM

Congrats on your new iMac! Now we just need pictures. :)

Do you work in Photoshop at all? If so, I would love to see some time trials done.

Thanks, its been an exciting day.

1) What part of the iMac would you like to see photographed?

2) I dont use PhotoShop very much (I'm a software developer). Still, I could compare the emulated iMac speed to a 2.8 GHz dual-core Windows system or a single core 3.0 GHz system. What PhotoShop function(s) are you interested in time testing?

kainjow

Jan 16, 2006, 11:53 PM

Now you just need to see if WinXP boots :D

brettbolt

Jan 17, 2006, 01:45 AM

Now that I've found a work-around for the wireless speed problem (use WPA2), I HIGHLY recommend getting one of these new systems! (But get the multi-button mighty mouse, not the one-button wireless).

My wife, who is not easily impressed with electronic devices, says the new iMac is "Gorgeous". The 20" screen is the brightest and clearest that we have seen.

Also, its extremely quiet. Kudos to Apple for a great system. I look forward to developing software on it.

BakedBeans

Jan 17, 2006, 01:46 AM

Now you just need to see if WinXP boots :D

It would be VERY interesting to see this - lots of people want to know

(But get the multi-button mighty mouse, not the one-button wireless).

Congrats on your new iMac (I'm waiting for mine to be delivered!).

The one button shouldnt cause any problems - its just getting used to it, i much prefer the one button over a multi button - i find myself my more productive that way,

0have a great time with your new imac

NewbieNerd

Jan 17, 2006, 02:41 AM

It would be VERY interesting to see this - lots of people want to know

Interesting to see how you commented first on the prospect of testing to see if XP will run on the mac and THEN on the guy actually getting the mac. We certainly see where your interests lie... :) (just giving you a hard time)

brettbolt

Jan 17, 2006, 04:03 AM

More observations:

1) Tried to boot XP twice with the "C" key down -- as others have reported, it doesn't work for me either. Given the intense interest in doing this, I think its only a short amount of time before someone finds a way.

2) Tried to boot Fedora linux -- also didn't work.

3) I like the keyboard more than my old G4 keyboard. The keys have a better feel (I type a lot). There is only 1/16 inch of clear plastic around the entire outer edge of the keyboard. You can see the keys, your table top, and there's nothing else to get in your way. Also saves a little desk space.

4) Startup time is 25 seconds (from pressing the power button to till its ready to use). Shut down time is 7 seconds.

5) CodeWarrior 8 (a PPC development tool) compiles code faster than on my 866 MHz dual G4. (Will be porting my program using Apple's XCode, currently the only tool available to make a universal binary).

6) The screen has a cool "translucent" look. The very slight darkness around the edges changes as you move your head, enhancing this effect.

Tomorrow (Tuesday) I'll begin the job of making Natural Scene Designer into a universal binary app.

robbiehughes

Jan 17, 2006, 04:42 AM

To get your wifi up to speed, try turning off bluetooth.
I have had a number of problems with my wifi dying because i was sending data to my phone.
The symptoms are massive packet loss which results in slow transmission speed.

you can ping -f your basestation with it on and with it off. each dot you see represents a ping 'lost'. there shouldn't be more than a couple.

sudo ping -f basestation

worth a shot.

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ahh, just saw you fixed it. would be interesting to know if this also does it too -

BakedBeans

Jan 17, 2006, 04:51 AM

Interesting to see how you commented first on the prospect of testing to see if XP will run on the mac and THEN on the guy actually getting the mac. We certainly see where your interests lie... :) (just giving you a hard time)

:p

kristoffer4

Jan 17, 2006, 05:30 AM

More observations:

4) Startup time is 25 seconds (from pressing the power button to till its ready to use). Shut down time is 7 seconds.

:eek: WoW! That seems fast! Nice.

cliffrouse11bas

Jan 17, 2006, 06:49 AM

All in all sounds like a good machine. I just sold my Imac G5 Isight now I am deciding if I want a Macbook Pro or another Imac. There are so many pros and cons to both. Have you been able to test to see if microsoft office works well with rosetta? Thanks

kskill

Jan 17, 2006, 01:44 PM

mrichmon

Jan 17, 2006, 01:53 PM

i received my 20inch dual 2.0 ghz imac yesterday as well. it is my first mac computer and so far i am delighted with it. i do have one question though:
flip2mac does not seem to be working for wmv files. it says that my version of quicktime is not up to date [i need 6.1 or higher], but the imac came with quicktime 7.0. has anyone else had the same problem? is there a solution? thanks guys, i'm glad to finally be a member of this forum.

Run software update, the current quicktime release is 7.0.4. Also, ensure that you have the most recent version of flip4mac from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/flip4mac.mspx

They have been doing a few rapid releases of flip4mac lately. The current version identifies as v2.0 in the preference pane.

kskill

Jan 17, 2006, 02:14 PM

Run software update, the current quicktime release is 7.0.4. Also, ensure that you have the most recent version of flip4mac from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/flip4mac.mspx

They have been doing a few rapid releases of flip4mac lately. The current version identifies as v2.0 in the preference pane.

hey thanks for the advice, but i've done that already and it still won't work for me. i get this error message:
QuickTime version 6.5.1 or later is required to run Flip4Mac WMV Player.

BakedBeans

Jan 17, 2006, 02:30 PM

apparently you need to get an earlier version of flip4mac - thats what i heard worked in another thread

12thgear

Jan 17, 2006, 02:31 PM

hey thanks for the advice, but i've done that already and it still won't work for me. i get this error message:
QuickTime version 6.5.1 or later is required to run Flip4Mac WMV Player.

Were you able to install the plugin but you can't run it?

Could it be that the WMV Player plugin isn't universal yet? Perhaps try forcing Quicktime Player to launch in Rosetta. You can do that via a checkbox in the Get Info window (highlight Quicktime, Control-click, select Get Info from the contextual menu). Just a thought.

ITASOR

Jan 17, 2006, 02:32 PM

Does your other Mac have airport? If so, just try that with WPA and that should let you know if it's the intel iMac or router.

I use WPA with my Linksys WRT54G (with my iBook) and it works great, no noticeable speed difference after doing tests (both "feel" and numerical tests). Actually, none of the computer in our house (mixed mac/windows) had any problems with speed after enabling WPA on the router and connecting.

Good luck and enjoy the new computer, sounds awesome! Glad to see that they're getting these shipping out in a pretty good amount of time as well. Looks good!

ksgant

Jan 17, 2006, 02:59 PM

My 20" Intel iMac arrived from China today.

I'm just curious...why did you put in your topic of where it came from? Are you in Asia? Does this matter? Are there differences or something on where it was made or came from?

Just curious.

elvineet

Jan 17, 2006, 03:04 PM

My 20" Intel iMac arrived today.

Would you mind telling us how long it took for your iMac to arrive since it was shipped?

Hi everyone! I'm waiting on my first Mac ever! :) Thought it was time to take on something new. Hope I can get used to it after using Windows for the last 7 years. I'm really excited about this. I have some concerns about porting some programs or finding equivalents, but I hope that won't be a major problem.

brettbolt

Jan 17, 2006, 03:23 PM

To get your wifi up to speed, try turning off bluetooth.
I tried turning off bluetooth and it made very little difference, maybe a few percent at most.
Does your other Mac have airport? If so, just try that with WPA and that should let you know if it's the intel iMac or router.

I use WPA with my Linksys WRT54G (with my iBook) and it works great, no noticeable speed difference after doing tests (both "feel" and numerical tests). Actually, none of the computer in our house (mixed mac/windows) had any problems with speed after enabling WPA on the router and connecting.
My first attempt was WPA-TKIP. After more testing, I found that both WPA-AES and WPA2-AES work at full speed. But WPA-TKIP is still 1/8th speed.

My other Mac doesn't have wireless for testing this.

My conclusion is that the problem is TKIP, regardless of whether its used with WPA or WPA2.

I'm just curious...why did you put in your topic of where it came from? Are you in Asia? Does this matter? Are there differences or something on where it was made or came from?

Just curious.
Good question. When I ordered it last week, I was disappointed to see in the shipment tracking that it was built and shipped from China, not California like the G4 I ordered in late 2002. The significance to me is that it does not help the US economy as much, being built in China, and that it would take longer to ship to me (I'm in California).

starnox

Jan 17, 2006, 03:36 PM

Good question. When I ordered it last week, I was disappointed to see in the shipment tracking that it was built and shipped from China, not California like the G4 I ordered in late 2002. The significance to me is that it does not help the US economy as much, being built in China, and that it would take longer to ship to me (I'm in California).

The reason they are built in China and not the US is that it's much cheaper. If you want to pay another $1000 to help your economy then so be it.

Loge

Jan 17, 2006, 03:56 PM

I've never had any problems getting a full speed connection from the WRT54G with WPA-TKIP on my Powerbook.

Good luck with your new iMac! :)

brettbolt

Jan 17, 2006, 04:07 PM

Would you mind telling us how long it took for your iMac to arrive since it was shipped?

Hi everyone! I'm waiting on my first Mac ever! :) Thought it was time to take on something new. Hope I can get used to it after using Windows for the last 7 years. I'm really excited about this. I have some concerns about porting some programs or finding equivalents, but I hope that won't be a major problem.
Congratulations on an excellent choice! I'm sure you'll see fewer problems with viruses, spyware, etc. You'll enjoy a quiet computer with a brilliant screen too.

I ordered it from the Apple web store on January 10. They shipped it via FedEx from China on January 13. It arrived here in California at 9:01 AM on January 16th.

Dr. Cheesesteak

Jan 17, 2006, 04:16 PM

Congratulations on an excellent choice! I'm sure you'll see fewer problems with viruses, spyware, etc. You'll enjoy a quiet computer with a brilliant screen too.

I ordered it from the Apple web store on January 10. They shipped it via FedEx from China on January 13. It arrived here in California at 9:01 AM on January 16th.

As an addition to the original question, what was the shipping situation in regards to your "estimated ship by" date? Did it ship on that date? Sooner?? Later?

Please say sooner as I'm going crazy already and have an estimated ship date of the 23rd.

MrCrowbar

Jan 17, 2006, 05:04 PM

[...] flip2mac does not seem to be working for wmv files. it says that my version of quicktime is not up to date [i need 6.1 or higher], but the imac came with quicktime 7.0. has anyone else had the same problem? is there a solution? thanks guys, i'm glad to finally be a member of this forum.

Get VLC Player (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/). That's a nice player that plays just everything on nearly every OS out there (though it looks a bit ugly on windows...). Should work nicely on the intel Mashines since its sleek in design and video playback is hardware render. I even used this to watch the last Keynote (in Fullscreen). Also worls for encoding videos for iPod...

Oh yea, its freeware by the way.

mrichmon

Jan 17, 2006, 05:08 PM

They have been doing a few rapid releases of flip4mac lately. The current version identifies as v2.0 in the preference pane.

Opps. The current version identifies as v2.0.1

paul.lenhardt

Jan 17, 2006, 09:53 PM

As an addition to the original question, what was the shipping situation in regards to your "estimated ship by" date? Did it ship on that date? Sooner?? Later?

Please say sooner as I'm going crazy already and have an estimated ship date of the 23rd.

I ordered my iMac maybe a week ago and the estimated ship date was the 19th, it shipped on the 16th and is expected to be delivered on the 19th. Hopefully your's gets shipped sooner too. Mine was shipping from china because it had to be assembled there, (i.e. wasn't a default configuration from apple).

Also can anyone confirm if it has 802.11a? I was wondering if there was any speed issue using WPA-TKIP under 802.11a?

My iMac ended up being delivered on the 18th.

brettbolt

Jan 17, 2006, 10:00 PM