February 28th Is The Big Day

[rice_web]

On February 28th, Apple vice-president of education products and solutions, Cheryl VeDoe will be attending the North Dakota Tech Expo. The event is sponsored by eight organizations and will most likely be the spot of the release of the G5. This is the big one folks! No need for Steve Jobs to present such a product, when a seemingly unknown Apple employee will be displaying Apple's latest and greatest in Minot, ND!

Tickets are selling fast as everyone in town realizes that this is the big day for Apple, and Minot is home of all Apple lovers in the midwest, where at least seven people use Macs. Oh, it's going to be fun!

[Beej]

Why on earth would Apple's Education VP present the G5? At the North Dakota Tech Expo, of all places?

Steve will present the G5 at a MW Expo. And nothing anyone can say will change my mind on that. The G5 is a very big thing.

I certainly hope you're joking... otherwise you are hopelessly deluded! :)

[voicegy]

That event will NOT, I repeat, NOT be the venue for the introduction of the G5 chip. It will actually happen in my living room on my birthday in March...Steve has already set it up.

(and I can see by your last line that you're in on your own joke, so never mind) :)

[Ensign Paris]

I think we will see G5 Macs sooner that we think, but there is no way that anybody but Steve would introduce them.

When was the last time macs were equal (only in numeric terms) to Intel?

[Macmaniac]

There is no way that they would release the G5 in North Dakota. It has to be a place with lots of media coverage like MWNY. MWNY is the place!

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[spuncan]

sorry to anyone who lives in ND but its empty boring and whatever few people who live there are either old farmers or fat @$$ slack jawed yokles. No nothing will be announced there except maybe a store. And another thing my grampa who was born there was inducted to the tech hall of fame there for revolutionizing aluminum window manufacturing.

[StealthRider]

Originally posted by Ensign Paris

When was the last time macs were equal (only in numeric terms) to Intel?

I think it was back in like 1995 with the PowerMac 5400/5500's.....:-P

[StealthRider]

When is MWNY? What day, month, etc?

[Steve M]

MacWorld NY is July 16-19, 2002.

http://www.macworldexpo.com

[dantec]

What about MW tokyo?

[rice_web]

North Dakota isn't that bad! Sure you have to drive at least one hundred miles to see a city of 10,000 or more, but life isn't so bad. But for those who didn't notice, this WAS a joke. I was just poking fun at the fact that Apple is actually visiting North Dakota. It must be because our school system uses Macs only.

[Doraemon]

No way! Apple just released the speedbumped G4s. They won't release a new PowerMac only one month later!

[grouse]

I can't believe he promised voicegy the launch as well.

I've already booked a markee and the south London brass and wind players (which features a chap with a G5 powerbook which his teacher ordered) as Steve requested. Damn, and what on earth am I going to do with 450 crates of miller lite?

Damn him.

[mischief]

Dude, Woz gave me this quantum pocket-dimensional supercomputer with a portable interface that looks like a magic 8 ball.

I asked it about G5............It came up: "Don't hold your breath.":D :cool: :rolleyes: ;) :p

[zuffen]

Just read this on the wire service.

"NASA will purchase the first 1500 Dual G5 to aid in the attempt to estimate where the next high orbit satellite will fall.

After the recent estimates left half the globe as a possible target for the recent reentry of the Extreme Sports drink Satellite, NASA conclude it need help from the Man who helped create Buzz LightYear. " APP-LE Wire Service Jan 2003

[tcolling]

Originally posted by grouse
I can't believe he promised voicegy the launch as well.

I've already booked a markee and the south London brass and wind players (which features a chap with a G5 powerbook which his teacher ordered) as Steve requested. Damn, and what on earth am I going to do with 450 crates of miller lite?

Damn him.

I'll help you drink them.

[eyelikeart]

I can't see Steve Jobs not being at the head of announcing the G5....just doesn't make much sense.....not the way he is...

[Brent Turbo]

Originally posted by tcolling


I'll help you drink them.

Does this mean Apple is going to include a 12-pack with every tower? I think the whole key to this Digital Hub thing is free beer. And maybe a printer that rolls doobies for you?

[MontanaMacster]

Why Febraury 21st, it is sooner than Feb 28, MWNY, or MWT, and most importantly it's my birthday, apple has never let me down. I know they will come through for me this time.

[thecube84]

What in the name of everything good and decent in this world of ours would convince apple to let the VICE PRESIDENT OF EDUCATIONAL SOLUTIONS INTRODUCE THE FREAKIN G5!!! It doesn't make any sense.

Steve Jobs will do it. He won't let anyone else do it.

And...

he will do it wearing a black turtleneck and bluejeans:D

[eyelikeart]

I read that Jobs was given a bunch of those black mocknecks from a friend that's a designer or something....so he wears them everyday...

[midiman]

Originally posted by thecube84
What in the name of everything good and decent in this world of ours would convince apple to let the VICE PRESIDENT OF EDUCATIONAL SOLUTIONS INTRODUCE THE FREAKIN G5!!! It doesn't make any sense.

Steve Jobs will do it. He won't let anyone else do it.

And...

he will do it wearing a black turtleneck and bluejeans:D


...snicker....I guess some people will never understand sarcasm.

[madamimadam]

All I know is that the Apollo is supposed to only be able to reach speeds of 1GHz, at least for the moment, and there will be a need to upgrade again in the mid-year (MWNY) and if you account for time taken for new product to actually ship, I should be able to have a new machine for my b-day
LOL

Hey, we are all allowed to dream

[thecube84]

Yes i understand that he/she was (hopefully) joking. I was beign sarcastic to the sarcasm, or...oh nevermind

[zuffen]

"those....ugly....black shirts...
I read that Jobs was given a bunch of those black mocknecks from a friend that's a designer or something....so he wears them everyday..."


he wears those shirts to cover his mechanical body,
a long time ago Steve had his head removed from his body and was outfitted with a Next prototype body,

you live computers you might as well be one,

you ever wondered why he always has that little persistant cough while presenting, there was a flaw in the lung pumps and when they start to dry out he looses BS capacity, also the reason for the ever present bottle of water ..well we think it is water..it is actually refined machine oil.

I bet you didn't know that

[MontanaMacster]

So what we realy should be waiting for is a G5 Steve jobs-bot? Any word on Wozz's mortality?

[graydecember]

so will this perhaps be the introduction of a "slot-loaded beer" drive? With the likely thermal characteristics of the G5 how with the beer be kept cool? Will the top end model perhaps spray champagne all over you?

Also, Jobs' shirts are actually designed and rendered by none other than Pixar's John Lassester and Pixar's state-of-the-art Renderman cartoon CG.




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[rkcrane]

North Dakota has over 9000 miles of fiber optic cable running thru every city and town of every size. Over 60% of every household in that state has access to DSL and it is expected to reach near 100% by end of 2002.. Most towns in ND that offer DSL also offer up to T3 and faster on 10 days ARO. The backbone in the state is two dual 2.5 Gigabit Sonet Nortel loops, upgradeable to 10G. It is probably easier and cheaper to startup up an internet business in ND than in any coastal state. Check out http://www.dakotacarrier.com.

The ND Sonet loops are cross coupled with similiar backbones in each of the neighboring states: South Dakota, Montana, Minnesota, & Canada.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by rkcrane
The ND Sonet loops are cross coupled with similiar backbones in each of the neighboring states: South Dakota, Montana, Minnesota, & Canada.

When did Canada become a state and a state of the US?

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


When did Canada become a state and a state of the US?

Well, the Dominion of Canada was formed in 1867... so I would say that is when it became a state. As for it being a state of the US, I don't think anyone on either side of the line would EVER want to see that happen.

[networkman]

i often thought that would actually be beneficial since canada could use some of our companies and we could use some of its space

geographically, nothing stays the same

my home state of california was a dominion of spain and of mexico and at one time, california was an independent republic

...wait, we are the same, i forgot about nafta ;-)

...but i would like to buy some of those cuban cigars in the states

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by IndyGopher


Well, the Dominion of Canada was formed in 1867... so I would say that is when it became a state. As for it being a state of the US, I don't think anyone on either side of the line would EVER want to see that happen.

Jesus, and here was silly me thinking it was a country that contained states.

[germanknee]

A state is geographic region. It has abosolute power over it's own affairs (answers to no higher government), a population that recongnizes itself as citizens of that state, and has government. Thus, a sovereign nation, such as Canada is a state. The United Sates of America is a state. The states in the US are actually not officially states. They are termed as such by tradition.

But what does this have to do with Feb. 28th?

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by germanknee
A state is geographic region. It has abosolute power over it's own affairs (answers to no higher government), a population that recongnizes itself as citizens of that state, and has government. Thus, a sovereign nation, such as Canada is a state. The United Sates of America is a state. The states in the US are actually not officially states. They are termed as such by tradition.

But what does this have to do with Feb. 28th?

Well, I just thought that I would emphasis the stupidity of all the threads that are going 'round about what is going to happen by bringing up a topic just as stupid.

You US folk are DAMN weird in relation to how you have your own spelling, meanings and pronounciation of half the English language. A state is a specific area of land that with other such areas forms a federation. In other words, the US IS made up of states and the US, along with Canada, is a NATION. Although, the word "state" can be used to decribe a non-monarchical government, therefore; the state of Canada refers to the highest government of Canada.

[madamimadam]

Just to be an absolute wanker
;)

[Nipsy]

Originally posted by rice_web
On February 28th, Apple vice-president of education products and solutions, Cheryl VeDoe will be attending the North Dakota Tech Expo. The event is sponsored by eight organizations and will most likely be the spot of the release of the G5. This is the big one folks! No need for Steve Jobs to present such a product, when a seemingly unknown Apple employee will be displaying Apple's latest and greatest in Minot, ND!

Tickets are selling fast as everyone in town realizes that this is the big day for Apple, and Minot is home of all Apple lovers in the midwest, where at least seven people use Macs. Oh, it's going to be fun!

This is SOOO not true.

I have it on good authority (this kid I met, this one time at band camp) that the G5 will be introduced by Bill Gates in a landmark concession speech titled 'Windows. I'm sorry about that.' The world's richest man will finally admit his failures, and divest his fortune to the billion or so individuals & corporations who have experienced a capital loss based on his company's lack of security in software. Following that, he will immediately recall every copy of Windows in existance, and announce he has taken a new job as an unpaid UI intern at Apple, and being the lowest guy on the Apple totem pole has but one perk...making that G5 announcement.

The event is scheduled for 9AM April 1, 2002, Redmond, Washington. If you plan to attend, please leave Washington State before noon, as they intend to secede from the union and offer themselves up to Canada as soon as the economic rammifications of the Gates apology are realized.

[DakotaGuy]

Originally posted by rkcrane
North Dakota has over 9000 miles of fiber optic cable running thru every city and town of every size. Over 60% of every household in that state has access to DSL and it is expected to reach near 100% by end of 2002.. Most towns in ND that offer DSL also offer up to T3 and faster on 10 days ARO. The backbone in the state is two dual 2.5 Gigabit Sonet Nortel loops, upgradeable to 10G. It is probably easier and cheaper to startup up an internet business in ND than in any coastal state. Check out http://www.dakotacarrier.com.

The ND Sonet loops are cross coupled with similiar backbones in each of the neighboring states: South Dakota, Montana, Minnesota, & Canada.

I am from South Dakota and I have to admit we are moving along as well in the fiber optics. I am on my folks farm at the moment and the entire local service area (even though VERY RURAL....we are talking western SD here) is 100% fiber. Golden West Telecom Coop. (second largest behind the crooks called Qwest) is moving ahead possibly faster then any other communications provider in this state. All the town areas are DSL now...even the towns of 500 and less people. We live too far from an exchange at the present time for DSL, but steps are being taken to get more distance. The only copper left is the actual "drops" into houses, businesses, and farms. It is too costly to run fiber drops because if the place is vacated you then have an expensive cable running nowhere. I still have 56K service at the time, but connect at around 48000. That is a great speed if you saw where I live. Of course when they plowed all the new cable two years ago they also came in and re-wired every house and business for free. So everything from the exchange to the house is new. Not bad for $14.95 a month for a phone line and $19.95 a month for internet. Heck they even sell long distance for $.08 a min any time, any day. and in town $15.95 is good for 50 channels of TV. You have to love coops!

[kansaigaijin]

Originally posted by rkcrane
North Dakota has over 9000 miles of fiber optic cable running thru every city and town of every size. Over 60% of every household in that state has access to DSL and it is expected to reach near 100% by end of 2002.. Most towns in ND that offer DSL also offer up to T3 and faster on 10 days ARO. The backbone in the state is two dual 2.5 Gigabit Sonet Nortel loops, upgradeable to 10G. It is probably easier and cheaper to startup up an internet business in ND than in any coastal state. Check out http://www.dakotacarrier.com.

The ND Sonet loops are cross coupled with similiar backbones in each of the neighboring states: South Dakota, Montana, Minnesota, & Canada.

Are all these N Dakota farmhouses within 1 km of a telephone office? I doubt they are even within 1km of each other, so they wont get anything faster than 1mbps.
Canada a neighbouring state? Well sort of. A different kind of State.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by kansaigaijin


Are all these N Dakota farmhouses within 1 km of a telephone office? I doubt they are even within 1km of each other, so they wont get anything faster than 1mbps.
Canada a neighbouring state? Well sort of. A different kind of State.

And 1Mb is bad why? I don't see that the people on farms more than 1Km from a "telephone office" would need anything above 1Mb... or 1Mb for that matter.

[crush7]

Oh I can't believe you guys don't have a G5 yet. Over here in Germany, we build them ourselves in the garage. Anyone can do it. But keep in mind that it runs on pure nuclear power only. :)

[kansaigaijin]

but do you live in neigbouring states?
Like bavaria, nord-rhein westphalia and france maybe?
or attach alti-vec with some duct tape to a G3?

[blindman858]

If anyone is going to be unveiling the g5 it is going to be Steve. Why would anyone else do so? I think you need to rethink it over. One quick questions why didnt Steve unveil the dp 1ghz g4 at Macworld San Francisco?[COLOR=royalblue][COLOR=royalblue][FONT=arial][PHP]

[blackdog]

We have hindsight to guide us - putting several pieces of fact together with alcohol and duct tape, the following explanation appears:

1. Except for the TiBook (which was recently upgraded with the combo drive), all upgraded lines were ready to be announced at MWSF. Speculation: they were planned to be announced, which would have come close (IMHO) to meeting the pre-Macworld marketing hype.

2. Nvidia delayed their announcement of the GeForce4 line. To be a good business partner Apple was forced to cancel the PM announcement.

More speculation: Apple (Jobs or whoever) wasn't happy about it. When Nvidia delayed the announcement again, Apple gave them the finger and went ahead with the PM release, preferring not to wait until Seybold since all the dejected 'powerusers' on these rumor sites were walking around talking like they just found out the emperor had no black turtleneck or jeans on after all.

[AlphaTech]

Has Apple EVER made an annoucement of that magnitude at anything other then an expo or seybold??? I don't bloody think so! Mr. Jobs will be making the G5 announcement, when it eventually happens.

Does anyone else care that ND has fiber-optic cable running through it (other then the people living there and that can use it)?? From what I have seen, and heard, the entire country is having fiber-optic cables run through it, not just ND. I have seen crews laying it down in MA, but do I try and brag about percentages and such?? Hell no...

I have a DSL connection at home, and get up to 1.5Mb download speeds (yes, I have actually seen it). I also happen to be very close to the phone station, which has more to do with the speed then anything else. Other then the fact that my ISP (Earthlink) picked up the higher bandwidth. When I was looking to get DSL, Verizon (another 4 letter word for many people) maxed out at 650Kb, if you were lucky. They were both priced the same, so I went with the faster one.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Has Apple EVER made an annoucement of that magnitude at anything other then an expo or seybold??? I don't bloody think so! Mr. Jobs will be making the G5 announcement, when it eventually happens.

Does anyone else care that ND has fiber-optic cable running through it (other then the people living there and that can use it)?? From what I have seen, and heard, the entire country is having fiber-optic cables run through it, not just ND. I have seen crews laying it down in MA, but do I try and brag about percentages and such?? Hell no...

I have a DSL connection at home, and get up to 1.5Mb download speeds (yes, I have actually seen it). I also happen to be very close to the phone station, which has more to do with the speed then anything else. Other then the fact that my ISP (Earthlink) picked up the higher bandwidth. When I was looking to get DSL, Verizon (another 4 letter word for many people) maxed out at 650Kb, if you were lucky. They were both priced the same, so I went with the faster one.

So, what you are saying is that we should pay out on people talking about ND because "who cares" but we should care to listen to the connection of one person we don't know in MA.

[AlphaTech]

What I am saying is to use some common sense (not too common these days) when deciding what to believe or not. Why would Jobs let anyone else annouce the release of the G5?? He didn't let anyone else announce the iPod, or the G4 Quicksilver line, so why the G5???

Would anyone believe me if I said that MW was coming back to Boston next year?? I think not. Just because I would love for it to happen doesn't mean it will (now or ever).

Does anyone else care about what kind of infrastructure is being set up in places other then where they live?? If it doesn't affect you, why would you?

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
What I am saying is to use some common sense (not too common these days) when deciding what to believe or not. Why would Jobs let anyone else annouce the release of the G5?? He didn't let anyone else announce the iPod, or the G4 Quicksilver line, so why the G5???

Would anyone believe me if I said that MW was coming back to Boston next year?? I think not. Just because I would love for it to happen doesn't mean it will (now or ever).

Does anyone else care about what kind of infrastructure is being set up in places other then where they live?? If it doesn't affect you, why would you?

Well, of course only Steve will announce the G5 but that does not take from the fact that you had a go at rkcrane twice but then wanted people to here about your DSL and which provider you went with.

[DakotaGuy]

Well what I think rkcrane was trying to tell all of us is that you can make all the jokes you want about ND, but in tech they are right up with everyone else. The same holds true for SD and other thinly populated states in the mid-west and west and for the COUNTRY of Canada. And thank goodness...we can have the same technology and even have clean air and water to boot all at a lower price.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
Well what I think rkcrane was trying to tell all of us is that you can make all the jokes you want about ND, but in tech they are right up with everyone else. The same holds true for SD and other thinly populated states in the mid-west and west and for the COUNTRY of Canada. And thank goodness...we can have the same technology and even have clean air and water to boot all at a lower price.

To back this up, ND is more advanced than Australia. I would DIE for a nicely priced 1Mb line. Consumers and small business in Oz can only afford a 256Kb ADSL and, while Cable is significantly faster, it is not 1Mb and servers are not allowed to be connected to it. The head telecommunications company here, still PART owned by the Federal Government, is a prick and they are making improvements move slower than places such as the US to increase potential profit. We hate it but we still go along with it because many of us need more than 56Kb and many of us want more than 56Kb and we are given no other option.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


To back this up, ND is more advanced than Australia. I would DIE for a nicely priced 1Mb line. Consumers and small business in Oz can only afford a 256Kb ADSL and, while Cable is significantly faster, it is not 1Mb and servers are not allowed to be connected to it. The head telecommunications company here, still PART owned by the Federal Government, is a prick and they are making improvements move slower than places such as the US to increase potential profit. We hate it but we still go along with it because many of us need more than 56Kb and many of us want more than 56Kb and we are given no other option.

That sounds just plain old nasty... to be at the mercy of the feds to allow you to get faster internet... I got spoiled at work with having three T1 lines available (shared with about 250-300 users/systems). That is why I went with DSL as soon as I could. That and I got tired of having to dial in every time.

Now that I have had a chance to relax for a few (bad day at work), it makes some sense to convert the less populated states to fiber optics faster. Eventually everyone in the US will have that in available to them, it's just a matter of time.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


That sounds just plain old nasty... to be at the mercy of the feds to allow you to get faster internet... I got spoiled at work with having three T1 lines available (shared with about 250-300 users/systems). That is why I went with DSL as soon as I could. That and I got tired of having to dial in every time.

Now that I have had a chance to relax for a few (bad day at work), it makes some sense to convert the less populated states to fiber optics faster. Eventually everyone in the US will have that in available to them, it's just a matter of time.

It is not so bad in the sense that our "slow" cable is MORE than adequate for my needs but the inability to add a server means the business has to be on ADSL which is MUCH slower than cable and has a traffic limit of 1GB per month before extra charges apply. 1GB might sound like plenty to some but when you have 8 people on it and customers accessing a web page, it goes fast.

[AlphaTech]

madamimadamtimallen

That still sounds nasty to me. I guess we are spoiled over here in the US with the freedom to choose our providor as we see fit, and put just about anything we want on those connections.

At work, we have some servers that are located in NJ (we are in MA) that some people access from our location. While we have something around 3Mb between the two sites, it gets eaten up way too fast. Because of necessity, some people have to access files directly from that server, which causes many issues. Typically, we have to crank the memory allocations for the application that the file belongs to (typically excel) just to let them open a file. The files are never larger then between 3MB and 5MB, but we have to crank excel by about 2x to 4x what it is set to initially just to get the file to open and not crash their system.

I couldn't even begin to imagine the horrors of having a server with a max of 1Mb available to it. Even 8 people would be slow (painfully so I am certain).

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
madamimadamtimallen

That still sounds nasty to me. I guess we are spoiled over here in the US with the freedom to choose our providor as we see fit, and put just about anything we want on those connections.

At work, we have some servers that are located in NJ (we are in MA) that some people access from our location. While we have something around 3Mb between the two sites, it gets eaten up way too fast. Because of necessity, some people have to access files directly from that server, which causes many issues. Typically, we have to crank the memory allocations for the application that the file belongs to (typically excel) just to let them open a file. The files are never larger then between 3MB and 5MB, but we have to crank excel by about 2x to 4x what it is set to initially just to get the file to open and not crash their system.

I couldn't even begin to imagine the horrors of having a server with a max of 1Mb available to it. Even 8 people would be slow (painfully so I am certain).

I think I just found the vital difference; you use your connection COMPLETELY different. On connections like this, you would not dream of accessing a file like those used in excel directly via the web. Everything is downloaded to HDD and then used; for anything else, a method of accessing information via HTML has to be set up, esp. if you want the info to be editable.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


I think I just found the vital difference; you use your connection COMPLETELY different. On connections like this, you would not dream of accessing a file like those used in excel directly via the web. Everything is downloaded to HDD and then used; for anything else, a method of accessing information via HTML has to be set up, esp. if you want the info to be editable.

The problem is when they don't pull the file down to their hard drive, but use it while it still sits on the server. We tell everyone to pull their files (fonts included) down to their computer before opening it up. But because someone decided that those certain files HAVE to be opened up on the server, it causes problems.

The connection is via a WAN, not the web, but it is still nasty for such things. There is also the problems of the network going down, or the servers getting filled with files and being taken off the network. But that is a story for another day.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


The problem is when they don't pull the file down to their hard drive, but use it while it still sits on the server. We tell everyone to pull their files (fonts included) down to their computer before opening it up. But because someone decided that those certain files HAVE to be opened up on the server, it causes problems.

The connection is via a WAN, not the web, but it is still nasty for such things. There is also the problems of the network going down, or the servers getting filled with files and being taken off the network. But that is a story for another day.

I have NEVER dealt with a WAN, though I understand the basis of it, but is there no way of stopping people opening the files via the server. The fact will always remain, as you VERY well know, that most people just have NFI when it comes to computers and insist on doing what they are told not to.