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Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 07:45 PM
I recently took this picture and finally got some time to post process a few photos from that day in Photoshop and Aperture. I've done 20 images so far :)

I have cloned a few things out, but what else needs doing to the revised picture until its complete? I feel I'm missing something but I cant put my finger to it...

Original:

http://www.macsnpods.com/original.jpg

Revised:

http://www.macsnpods.com/revised.jpg



Heb1228
Feb 20, 2006, 07:48 PM
For one thing it probably needs to be resized so we can see it in a normal browser window. But I'm also interested in seeing what some more experienced Photoshop users say.

EDIT: Adding original photos to avoid confusion

Original
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Heb1228/original.jpg

Original as Revised by OP
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Heb1228/revised.jpg

Orlando Furioso
Feb 20, 2006, 07:51 PM
depends on how much work you want to do i suppose.

I would try getting rid of the crane behind the building. The orange cones maybe? It is up to you.

If you want to keep yourself busy for the next half an hour... get rid of all the people! hehe j/k.

Nice post removal btw. (and nice shot of course)

edit: the walkway (center) borders seem to be really dull compared to the rest of the image which is super-saturated. It stands out just a little. I would bump it's color up a tad, or bring the rest of the image down. Again, it is personal preference in the end.

re-edit: nevermind the walkway thing.

Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 07:54 PM
For one thing it probably needs to be resized so we can see it in a normal browser window. But I'm also interested in seeing what some more experienced Photoshop users say.

Drag the image to your desktop and double click on it to view it in Preview. It will be easier :)

depends on how much work you want to do i suppose.

I would try getting rid of the crane behind the building. The orange cones maybe? It is up to you.

If you want to keep yourself busy for the next half an hour... get rid of all the people! hehe j/k.

Nice post removal btw.

edit: the walkway (center) borders seem to be really dull compared to the rest of the image which is super-saturated. It stands out just a little. I would bump it's color up a tad, or bring the rest of the image down. Again, it is personal preference in the end.

Thanks, I only really found the cloning tool in Photoshop today so I'm learning :)

Chaszmyr
Feb 20, 2006, 07:57 PM
If nothing else, edit the orange cones out. Also, you might see if you can get rid of some of the shadows (ie, show more detail) on some of the plants, especially the hedges to the left. It's too bad those benches on the right side are there, the closest one especially looks like a monster :P

Heb1228
Feb 20, 2006, 07:59 PM
I used the darken highlight slider and took it up to 40%. See if you like the result...

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Heb1228/revised1.jpg

EDIT: I added a before/after image so you can see them side-by side

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Heb1228/beforeafter.jpg

Drag the image to your desktop and double click on it to view it in Preview. It will be easier :)
Not for the 500 other people that look at this thread. Posting huge pictures like that is annoying.

Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 08:01 PM
If you want to keep yourself busy for the next half an hour... get rid of all the people! hehe j/k.

I've got a half hour, here goes :D

Orlando Furioso
Feb 20, 2006, 08:01 PM
I used the darken highlight slider and took it up to 40%. See if you like the result...

that is damn sexy!

GoCubsGo
Feb 20, 2006, 08:08 PM
Drag the image to your desktop and double click on it to view it in Preview. It will be easier :)
No. Why not try and resize the picture so that the people that you want help from do not have to take extra steps to further accommodate you? :)

I'd clone out the crane as stated, it's a bit over exposed (the clouds) and it's a bit soft.

Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 08:08 PM
I used the darken highlight slider and took it up to 40%. See if you like the result...

Where do I find that slider? it looks great!

No. Why not try and resize the picture so that the people that you want help from do not have to take extra steps to further accommodate you? :)

I'd clone out the crane as stated, it's a bit over exposed (the clouds) and it's a bit soft.

I will just change the images in the first post to links, because I used the IMG tag to get these image in I have no idea how to resize, and imageshack kept timing out on upload. :)

Heb1228
Feb 20, 2006, 08:13 PM
Where do I find that slider? it looks great!
I have Photoshop Elements 3, so it may be different for you. Its under Enhance, Adjust Lighting, Shadows/Highlights...

I would take some of those marks out of the sidewalk too.

Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 08:18 PM
I have Photoshop Elements 3, so it may be different for you. Its under Enhance, Adjust Lighting, Shadows/Highlights...

I would take some of those marks out of the sidewalk too.

Thanks :)

I'm working on two revised versions now. One with the cones and people gone. And another with the people, cones, and benches gone. I will upload them once finished.

Clix Pix
Feb 20, 2006, 10:48 PM
What is really the focus of this shot in the first place? As it is, speaking as a viewer coming to it "cold," I'm not getting a lot from it.

Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 11:04 PM
What is really the focus of this shot in the first place? As it is, speaking as a viewer coming to it "cold," I'm not getting a lot from it.

It is part of an image set of the Government Gardens in Rotorua. This is the first image in the set as its the entrance of the gardens. I opened it with this shot, and closed it with a shot looking out of the gate.

Heb1228
Feb 20, 2006, 11:06 PM
What is really the focus of this shot in the first place? As it is, speaking as a viewer coming to it "cold," I'm not getting a lot from it.
The OP posted a photo he had taken and wanted some advice on what he needed to do to it in Photoshop.

Chip NoVaMac
Feb 20, 2006, 11:09 PM
You have to be careful about "editing" an image in PS.

Your removal of the shadows as you displayed may be how you wanted to see it. But was it natural to the rest of the image?

Clix Pix
Feb 20, 2006, 11:19 PM
The OP posted a photo he had taken and wanted some advice on what he needed to do to it in Photoshop.


I realize THAT. My point is that the image itself as presented to us doesn't really convey a cohesive message to the viewer.

Glenn, if you want to show the government gardens, that's fine, but perhaps a shot of some specific aspect of the gardens would be better. The shot of the rather lengthy stretch of pavement leading to the building in the distance is, well, confusing to the person coming to this "cold." Was your intent to show the building? Why not be closer? Was your intent something else? Why not show that something else instead? Doing a lot of cloning-out of extraneous stuff may not solve the bottom-line issue here. The viewer doesn't know, can only guess from what he/she is seeing in the finished image, and, well, to be blunt, if the actual focal point isn't clear, the viewer will be confused.

This is different from the shot you had of the park bench looking off into the distance. See if you can figure out just why that shot worked for many of us while this one does not...

Heb1228
Feb 20, 2006, 11:24 PM
I realize THAT. My point is that the image itself as presented to us doesn't really convey a cohesive message to the viewer.
Sorry, I misread your post.

Glenn Wolsey
Feb 20, 2006, 11:32 PM
Here is a closer shot which is currently un-edited:

http://www.macsnpods.com/closer.jpeg

Lau
Feb 21, 2006, 03:13 AM
You have to be careful about "editing" an image in PS.

Your removal of the shadows as you displayed may be how you wanted to see it. But was it natural to the rest of the image?

I would agree about the shadows. Because of the hedge having a shadow, it now looks "wrong" (as in the physics) without the shadow over the path. It was the first thing that struck me when I looked at it. In this situation, I would say if you wanted the path clean, you should have taken it when the sun was in a different place, and so the rest of the shadows would look natural. If that wasn't possible, I would say you might have to put up with the shadow over the path.

(Well, actually, the first thing that struck me was "Christ that's a big attachment", but that's not important right now :p )

Abstract
Feb 21, 2006, 07:40 AM
General Question: How do you edit out a pole or cone without leaving a big white blank spot in your image?

Anyway, the clouds in the photo are too soft, and I like the photo without the shadows, but when you do that, remember what Chip said and make sure it makes sense with the rest of the photo. How can a lamp have absolutely no shadow while everything else seems to?

What is really the focus of this shot in the first place? As it is, speaking as a viewer coming to it "cold," I'm not getting a lot from it.

So maybe he should have walked 10 metres forward before taking the photo, or just zoomed and cropped so that the house was the focus. Right now, it's probably the path, although that wouldn't make much sense either seeing as how it leads your eyes towards the house.

kwajo.com
Feb 21, 2006, 01:37 PM
I used the darken highlight slider and took it up to 40%. See if you like the result...




I'm not a big fan of this. it looks like a typical Canon-ish over-saturated, over-contrasted digicam photo now. it doesn't feel real at all

bousozoku
Feb 21, 2006, 03:23 PM
I'm not a big fan of this. it looks like a typical Canon-ish over-saturated, over-contrasted digicam photo now. it doesn't feel real at all

I was thinking something similar. He ought to paint yellow bricks on the road and sing "we're off to see the wizard..." because it doesn't even feel like a real place. It's too perfect.

FritzTheWonderM
Feb 21, 2006, 04:27 PM
crop horizontal and desaturate.

Mr. Anderson
Feb 21, 2006, 04:30 PM
crop horizontal and desaturate.


That's the first thing I would have done - much more interesting - especially since you don't really need all that sidewalk up in front - the lines draw you to the building.

Get rid of the crane and scaffolding on the left of the building as well.

D

makisushi
Feb 21, 2006, 04:47 PM
What is the set for? Is there a particular message?
I feel the photo is rather boring even though it is dramatic. Having the side walk go right up the middle cuts the photo in half. so much so, that your eyes go right off the photo leaving you to wonder what the picture is about. Context is going to be really important.

As for editing...get rid of the the crane.
I have been out of the design and photo editing world for a while now...thinking about what this photo needs brings back memories...:eek:

JDar
Feb 21, 2006, 05:05 PM
I really don't like all the walkway and nothingness in front. Nice picture otherwise, though, and thanks for posting it and being nice about so many opinions. Guess I'm feeling croppy.

Lau
Feb 21, 2006, 05:20 PM
I think the cropping helps a lot. I know the symmetry was the point, but I'd be tempted to crop off centre like so:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1204/crop9fd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

joepunk
Feb 21, 2006, 06:44 PM
I think the cropping helps a lot. I know the symmetry was the point, but I'd be tempted to crop off centre like so:
Nice. I like the non-centered placement/crop. Rule of thirds does make an image look good.

Well, back to studying for my test :rolleyes:

alangyssler
Feb 21, 2006, 08:06 PM
I echo joepunk...

cropping off center makes a huge improvement. I think that makes it a whole lot more appealing.

I guess someone was onto somthing with that rule of thirds stuff, huh?!?

FritzTheWonderM
Feb 22, 2006, 08:14 AM
I'm left handed. I kinda like the line created by the benches in the right hand crop, but I think your eye tends to follow that instead of focusing on the building.

-hh
Feb 22, 2006, 06:03 PM
Here's another take on cropping. Here, I've tried to retain your walkway perspective, and in pulling things in, I first decided to pull in enough to kill the break in the hedges on the left ... and then saw that the light posts could be used to frame the building.

Not sure if your original has the resolution to pop this up in size, but the resolution here provides the general intent:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2006/mr_crop1.jpg



-hh

Abstract
Feb 23, 2006, 04:51 AM
Here's another take on cropping. Here, I've tried to retain your walkway perspective, and in pulling things in, I first decided to pull in enough to kill the break in the hedges on the left ... and then saw that the light posts could be used to frame the building.

Not sure if your original has the resolution to pop this up in size, but the resolution here provides the general intent:

http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2006/mr_crop1.jpg



-hh

Yeah, that's what I would have done, as I mentioned in my previous post (but didn't even think of cropping your photo myself to show you :o ), but I do like Lau's the best anyway. ;)

numediaman
Feb 23, 2006, 05:09 PM
I like the Lau's crop, as well. But as someone coming to photography from the point of view of a journalist, I (personally) would rarely use the clone tool to do anything except fix errors involving the camera, lens, etc. (And never use it at all when the end result will be published in a newspaper or magazine. It violates the rules many papers have -- even when used innocently.)

Obviously, advertising, abstract art, etc. means anything goes. Nonetheless, I prefer to use Photoshop to try and make adjustments to the picture so they reflect reality more, not less.

(But I'm just weird that way, I guess. For instance, eliminating the shadow on the asphalt walkway seems strange seeing as the sun is coming from the left hand side of the picture and there are hard shadows against the hedgerow.)

Lau
Feb 23, 2006, 05:17 PM
I (personally) would rarely use the clone tool to do anything except fix errors involving the camera, lens, etc.

Obviously, advertising, abstract art, etc. means anything goes. Nonetheless, I prefer to use Photoshop to try and make adjustments to the picture so they reflect reality more, not less.

(But I'm just weird that way, I guess.)

No, I agree - I don't think I've ever cloned something out of a photo before, it just seems wrong to me. Each to their own though. :) I'll happily crop away, adjust colours and stuff, but it kind of seems wrong (if not from a journalistic point of view, a cheating point of view!) to me to change what actually happened. But that's a whole other discussion, I think!

Mike Teezie
Feb 23, 2006, 08:17 PM
I like Lau's left hand thirds crop the best.

The benches, not being the focal point, add some interest to the foreground.

The shot's a study in one point perspective, and Lau's crop just makes it more interesting by moving the vanishing point off to the left.