XP Running on a mac....... shame on you

[Macmadant]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.

[Gordy]

Everyones needs/desires from their pcs are different.

Try to realise this....

[Heb1228]

I chose "it sickens me" personally, but I realize there may be good reasons for some people doing so. I use iEmulator to check compatibility of my websites with IE sometimes. I know some people could really use MS Access or need exchange servers to work, etc.

If its a legitimate need, then it doesn't bother me much, but some people would use it as a crutch and not learn to use everything OS X has to offer... and THAT does sicken me.

[Laslo Panaflex]

I see no problem with it at all, and neither does M$ or Apple. If someone wants to pay the Apple tax to run windows, then so be it. It will increase the sales of macs, especially the macbooks, and bring more revenue to Apple. In turn they can spend more on R&D and make more awsome Apple products.

Now, running OS X on a beige box PC, that sickens me.

[revenuee]

i look forward to being able to dual boot on a laptop ... it's nice when you have two separate computers, but traveling with two laptops just doesn't make sense.

Being able to run some windows only software natively rather then through emulation is something i look forward too

[rhsgolfer33]

I voted for awesome. Im not a big fan of windows, but being able to dual boot it will allow me to play my windows games on the Mac laptop i'll be acquiring. Also could help me in college especially with some of the professors wanting you to run windows only apps.

[Josh396]

I chose "it sickens me" personally, but I realize there may be good reasons for some people doing so. I use iEmulator to check compatibility of my websites with IE sometimes. I know some people could really use MS Access or need exchange servers to work, etc.

If its a legitimate need, then it doesn't bother me much, but some people would use it as a crutch and not learn to use everything OS X has to offer... and THAT does sicken me.
I agree 100%. I don't see why people complain about other people running XP on their computers. It would almost be the same thing as people running MS Office on their Mac instead of using Pages or Keynote. If someone needs Windows for work or school or just out of fun I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be able to.

To the OP, what's your feeling about VPC? Do you think it's wrong for someone to use an emulation program to run XP? They obviously bought a Mac because they like OS X more than XP or else they would have bought some generic PC.

[technicolor]

Until you start buying macs and handing them out, your opinion doesnt really matter you might as well hush. Worry about your own computer and what you are running on it.

[prostuff1]

I voted awesome because this will allow me to run the school apps that i need and NOT have two computers. Right now i use my iMac and VPC which just flat out sucks!! XP in VPC reports my computer as being a 535Mhz PC and it runs incredibly slow.

I plan on selling both my iBook and iMac and buying one kick but MBP when they come with merom processors. Unless VPC give A LOT preformance then i will probably not use it adn then try to install vista when it finally comes out. I dont really care about games but what i realy need to run are the engineering programs that are required for my major.

I dont know why some people are complaining about this!! If they dont want to do it then dont but you dont have to tell everyone here why it is a bad idea. I think this can only help apple and maybe microsoft. Apple computers are the only ones out there that can legally insall both OS X and a microsoft OS without it being a problem. Still not quite sure if doing this voids the warrentee but it seems like everything that can be done can also be undone. I think we will see a lot more laptop sales from this and that is always a good thing for Apple.

[calculus]

I don't think this is driven by any real need. It's just children doing it for the fun of it.

[alienex]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.


You seem a bit afraid of change. Im guessing if you were the CEO of Apple we would all still be using G4 powerbooks because you couldnt fit a G5 in one. We would never switch to intel and of course some of us would have to own two computers. Face it windows on a mac just made a mac a whole lot more convenient. Dont be such a computer Nazi. The more freedom and choice we have the better. I hope you dont take this thread too personal. I for one am very excited about being able to play windows games on my macbook. I just sold my PC.

That is your opinion and I disagree, but respect it all the same.

And to agree with the other poster, OS X on a beige box seems alittle less cool.

[eXan]

I voted 'awesome' not because I love Windows, I hate it honestly, but because of the ability to run win-only apps, like some games I'd like to play on my Mac

[calculus]

Dont be such a computer Nazi.
Do you actually know what the word 'Nazi' means?

[Macmadant]

You seem a bit afraid of change. Im guessing if you were the CEO of Apple we would all still be using G4 powerbooks because you couldnt fit a G5 in one. We would never switch to intel and of course some of us would have to own two computers. Face it windows on a mac just made a mac a whole lot more convenient. Dont be such a computer Nazi. The more freedom and choice we have the better. I hope you dont take this thread too personal. I for one am very excited about being able to play windows games on my macbook. I just sold my PC.

That is your opinion and I disagree, but respect it all the same.

And to agree with the other poster, OS X on a beige box seems alittle less cool.

No worries, everyone deserves their own opinion. no i do like change, if i didn't i would still be using OS9 (using 10.4) but the intel switch shocked me.

[puckhead193]

its ok because the person who is going to put XP on their computer needs ti run it for some application, if they had it their was they would use OS X instead

[wickedG35]

I like both OS's. Each one has its own advantages/disadvantages. It all boils down to user preference.

[musikman_ie]

and the reason people want to run XP on a MAC , DVD shrink !

[Maxiseller]

I'm in the "It's ok" group.

I think it's great that I could be able to play Windows Games (When the appropriate drivers are available) but I am still inclined to worry a little about the fact we have a fantastic OS here and we should continue to support it, not go back to convenience of the windows world!

Having said this, i don't believe we can have our cake and eat it.

If XP can be run on macs, it is only fair that OS X can be run on Pc's. Logically of course.

[ryannel2003]

I voted for "Awesome" becuase this will allow me to abandon my HP laptop for something that will be much faster! Plus once they get video drivers avaliable to install, I will finally be able to play my Need For Speed games on a computer with a decent graphics card.

The only downside is that I would have to install a bunch of virus stuff on the partition that XP resides. That and the numerous "Not Responding" windows are the only things i have against XP.

[nylon]

You know this question has been asked over and over again. I simply do not understand why it offends so many Mac lovers that Windows can be run on a Mac. It's not like people are replacing OSX with Windows on a Mac, they are just suplementing it and in the process making the Mac more versatile and making their lives a little easier.

The fact that people want to do this simply indicates that those people who wish to run a dual boot system agree that OSX is a superior operating system but for whatever reason professional, educational (a lot of exam writing software in grad schools is windows only) they need to have access to Windows. Apple benefits in this case. People are willing to spend the extra cash for the Mac and still can run Windows apps if and when they need to. How does this ruin the Mac? How is it sickening? How does running Windows on a Mac affect those of you who do not want to run Windows on a Mac?

Please provide a logical coherent argument. The only reason I can see so much hate towards the idea of dual-booting on a Mac is due to some pseudo-sense of loyalty to Apple. These are same kind of people who were dead set against the Intel switch despite the fact that PowerPC did not have a future for Mac and would have hampered the growth of the company.

[generik]

You know this question has been asked over and over again. I simply do not understand why it offends so many Mac lovers that Windows can be run on a Mac.


I have a simple explanation.

These people who think that they think so differently are really people who are too stupid to think for themselves.

What they call a Mac, I call it another brand name PC. Why can't a PC run Windows? Good question, there is no reason for it not to.

[zap2]

its not like Apple is making you boot XP(or even help you do it)

They are not telling you to boot XP, just leave them only, however it does effect the way i look at Macs(the hardware and the software) it makes intel Macs more PCish, with the ability to run a full OS X. But i know Boot XP on Mac will only help Apple

[findpankaj]

I like both OS's. Each one has its own advantages/disadvantages. It all boils down to user preference.


I agree...Windows may be a problem for Mac lovers...but there is nothing to hate or feel ashamed about, if mac can handle windows OS.

I think its still very useful OS for today's business/personal needs...atleast it keeps its rivals on toes..thinking about better "things" than windows...

I personally wouldn't go for dual boot because i don't want my laptop to be screwed...honestly there is no need for me either....

I am sure once VISTA is out...and if its able to catch users' attention then more and more people would like to have windows installed on their macs...

Personally I need a hardware perfectly tuned for 2 OS's, giving seamless access to both of them...

over all, GOOD JOB, whoever did this first....

[bursty]

and the reason people want to run XP on a MAC , DVD shrink !
Why? There are plenty of similar apps for Macs.


BTW- Its Mac, not MAC. It drives me insane when I see MAC. :)

[MacTruck]

I think this point it moot. Its too much a pain in the A$$ to install XP on a mac anyways and even then you are dual booting. Waiting for better solution.

[tag]

BTW- Its Mac, not MAC. It drives me insane when I see MAC. :)

Aw come on, it only makes sense....

MAC: Majorly Awe-inspiring Computing, Massively Awsome Computer, take your pick :D

[paul84043]

MAC, MAC, MAC.

:D

Lots of things drive me crazy and nobody seems to give a crap about those.

I tried and failed miserably to install Virtual Machine on he MBP, and I dont know if it's an Intel issue, or Operator error.
I don't know enough about Macs to be able to troubleshoot the installation and I don't know a single other person that owns a Mac.
I know pretty much everything there is to know about Windows based machines, I have dozens of programs that I run that will not function on a Mac.
I build automated test equipment for a living and I have only seen one pre packaged system that runs on a Mac, and it was a piece of crap.
I like Mac's level of fit and finish, and I like to learn new things, so the Mac is a source of interest, but not much more than that at this point.
If I could do my "other' stuff in my native environment, and still be able to play with the Mac OS when I felt like it, this machine would be the only one I used. Unfortunately, It can't. So it remains a very pretty, very expensive toy that never gets used anywhere near it's potential.
Interestingly enough, even if it was offered, I would never try to install a Mac OS on a Windows machine. I would call that a complement to the Mac.

Paul

[iBunny]

Instead of buying 2 computers, I now can just buy one... a mac... and have OSX and Windows in 1...

I see this as nothing but an advantage for apple, since now I will never buy a PC again, and just buy Macs. Who cares If I run windows on it, you know... everyone has their needs

[PlaceofDis]

its a good thing. but its not awesome. i mean yeah, its useful. its not something that i would do myself though. but i can see the need and usefulness of being able to do it. but it can cause more problems in the long run too.

[someguy]

I guess I just don't understand the need for Windows whatsoever. I mean, yeah I have a PC that I built a few years ago which I use quite often, but I never find myself doing anything on it that I could do on my Mac.

[PlaceofDis]

I guess I just don't understand the need for Windows whatsoever. I mean, yeah I have a PC that I built a few years ago which I use quite often, but I never find myself doing anything on it that I could do on my Mac.

well for some there are work or school specific programs that just won't run on OS X. AutoCad and Acess spring to mind. if you need these then you are SOL on OS X basically.

[Gurutech]

Like it or not, I need PC. Windows to be more specific.

And why I like this news?

Cuz I like one Macbook Pro better than iBook+PC desktop combo.

is that enough? and don't tell me anything about emulator.. whether we use intel chip or not, it's running in Mac OS which means the Windows doesn't run at it's full speed. And Yes. I want every bit of process power out of my computer!

ignorant apple fanboys..

[emaja]

I think this point it mute.

Or even a moot point (sorry, had to do it - LOL!)

If it was only a mute point, we wouldn't have to hear whining about how it is a sign of the apocolypse that Windows can run on a Mac. From the very beginning, even before the announcement of the Intel switch, this was one of the top reasons that a lot of people wanted a switch in the first place.

Who cares if you want to run Windows, or Linux, or some other OS in addition to OS X? What does it really matter? If you choose not to put Windows on your Mac - great. If you want to - do it, it's your Mac.

Windows and OS X both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think it is a huge advantage to have at least the possibility of a choice to run Windows natively and not through VPC.

[solvs]

I think this point it mute.
It's moot. ;)

And who cares. Some people need Windows for some programs. I doubt Macs are going to become PCs any time soon, as they'll still come with OS X. You'd just use XP to run the programs you need. Preferably in a separate window like VPC or even X11 instead of having to dual boot. They did it to see if it could be done, it can be, though it's a lot harder than people thought so most people won't bother.

I don't see what the problem is here.

[timswim78]

It's cool that someone did it, but it doesn't seem to be very useful, to me.

After having tried various Linux/Mac and Linux/Windows dual booting scenarios, I have concluded that dual booting is a complete waste of time.

If you need two OS's, run two computers.

[dornoforpyros]

I don't actually care that people are running XP on their macs, and I completely understand the variety of reason to do it.

What I do have a problem with is that these are the same people with anti-windows/windows users statements in their sigs. Hey guess what guys, you ARE windows users now. Just because it's on your pretty MBP doesn't change that fact, so please, let's drop the anti-windows stuff because it's apparent you don't hate windows as much as you claim.

[Cartman]

I'm in the "Awesome!" group. When all the kinks are worked out, a MBP would be a great compy to bring to a lan party.

[bloodycape]

I choose awesome becaause as a college student who plans to move away from home, I rather not take my Shittle PC, even thougth it is compact, with all the equipment I need like the monitor and keyboard and such, and then my ibook.in. I have enough to take and worry about don't want to worry about two comps. Besides we are still using an Apple.

[asencif]

I wonder how many people here are excited about this just for gaming? It seems a lot of Mac users are gamers as they killed Apple when they included Integrated Graphics on the Mac mini. Anyway, I just think is ok, for me there's nothing awesome about using Windows XP and dual-booting. For the occasionaly need for WinXp then it helps, but I rather have it run in OS X.

I have configured dual booting PC's for years now with different versions of Windows and also Linux. Never liked the fact that I have to shut one down to use the other. Like to use both my systems at once, but that's just me. I'm a tech consultant and I'm used to immediate access on all multiple systems.

I still would love to have Mac OS X get to the point where it is supported by many developers, so the need to still run Win could diminsh. For the gamers it would be great if these companies now supported Mac OS X for games since Intel is the architecture.

[DaveP]

I can respect that a lot of people have no need for using Windows programs and as such have no need for Windows on a Mac. However, I cannot begin to understand why some of these people do not see how it is usefull. Simply put there are sometimes progams for Windows for which there are no reasonable Mac alternatives. How many threads have we seen for someone looking for a CAD program for Mac? Yes, I realize there are some Mac CAD programs, but they are not reasonable alternatives... Or for example, I do some Windows development. Definitely can't be done with native Mac apps.

I guess it comes down to the fact that a computer is a tool. And honestly there are a number of things that can be done better on Windows. And I think it would be foolish to cripple yourself.

[MacTruck]

Or even a moot point (sorry, had to do it - LOL!)
.


Yeah you all got me. Typo. Lots of english teachers in hear.




Now go ahead and correct "hear". LOL!

[California]

Just be careful; Windoze on a Mac DOESN'T mean no viruses. You are still open to viruses if you run Windoze.

[GimmeSlack12]

I'm sure people with PC's would love to have Mac OS X on their WinTel boxes. Actually I know they would want this. They've told me.

(Yes all of them)

[solvs]

Now go ahead and correct "hear". LOL!
Dude, I was soooo going to! :p

[sam10685]

i sickens me... here's why; for some people, they would only boot into windows to bring files back and forth to work or school if work or school doesn't yet know what a computer is. i'm completely cool with that. however, i think a lot of lazy people-my sister being one of them-are too lazy to want to learn an all new OS. for example... today i almost had to put microsoft word on my mac because she didn't want to look for spell checker in Appleworks.

[cycocelica]

Whatever. If you want to put it on your Mac go for it. If not don't. I think its pretty cool that it can be done. Would it benefit me? Probably not but someday maybe.

[mjstew33]

I'm sure people with PC's would love to have Mac OS X on their WinTel boxes. Actually I know they would want this. They've told me.

(Yes all of them)
I'm one; cheaper computer but great OS.

[nylon]

It's funny how most of the people that have voted negatively actually haven't posted a reason why. Most of the responses here are from people who think that being able to boot OSX/Windows is a positive development. Saying nothing says a lot.

[n8236]

I've used Dos/Windows back from 13 years ago, and while it's not perfect, its certainly provided me w/ a lot of joy and bitterness. With every new version of Dos/Windows, for the most part its come a long way. But I finally I made the switch and waiting arrival of my MBP. Why? It's not because I don't like like Windows, but because I like Apple's hardware quality and vision.

I am more than overjoyed to know XP and future Windows OSs will work on my MBP which will provide me w/ greater flexibility at work and at home.

Just because you buy a PC doesn't mean you HAVE to run Windows. I know lots of people who have Linux/Unix in a pc box and they love it.

All in all, I give the guys who made dual booting my congratulations and total respect for doing the computer community a HUGE favor.

[XFce]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.

I agree with that 100 percent

[janey]

Rehash of everything everyone's said before:

I love it. It means I can finally run visual studio 2005 outside of virtualpc, it means I can do my homework outside of vpc (Windows only stuff, yes, it exists), it means I can play games without vpc... It means I finally don't have to run things in an emulator and waste more time waiting than doing things. (I do have a PC with Windows XP on it, but I like to do work when I have time in between classes, so that usually means most of my homework's done on my iBook)

Some people need Windows. Please understand this. I'm fine with your point of view, but to go as far as saying "shame on you" and saying crap like "its just children doing this.."...ugh. It's one less computer to spend money on and build, it's one less computer taking up space... Obviously the people saying "UGH!" are the people who have no need for it, but look at all the people saying otherwise - they do need it, and running it on their already existing Mac is a huge plus.

And on top of that, if I weren't an uptime whore, I would install OS X, Windows and Linux all on the same Mac. I don't see how I have to limit myself to one OS all the time. Triplebooting would be sweet. Triplebooting plus the alternative of running the OS inside of another OS is also sweet. I don't much care either way.

And bursty, DVD-RB is not for OS X, and there is no program anywhere close to it (not even d-vision or dvd2onex). In fact, I'm virtually sick of the "alternatives exist!" argument. It's like comparing Gimp to Photoshop. Noooooooooo freaking way.

Save the fanboyness for comp.sys.mac.advocacy, kthx.

[jadekitty24]

I don't have a problem with running Windows on a Mac. What I do have a problem with is people who get all bent out of shape because everyone isn't exactly like them. Everyone has different needs. I'm all for anything that makes things a bit easier.

[gnasher729]

1. Some people just want to run Windows XP. Actually, most people nowadays buy computers that come with Windows XP. I personally think it is much better if these people don't have a choice only between Dell, HP and eMachines, but a choice between Dell, HP, eMachines and Apple. Every single Macintosh that is sold to run Windows XP is more profit for Apple, and more money to put into development of the hardware and MacOS X.

2. Some people have to buy a computer that is capable of running Windows XP. Their boss tells them: Buy any computer you like, as long as it can run Windows XP. Not because there is any good reason for it, just because that is what the boss says. This used to mean that you couldn't buy a Macintosh. Now you can buy a Macintosh and happily run MacOS X, because the Macintosh can run Windows XP (if you could be bothered to install it which you never had time to do). So for some people being able to run Windows would be helpful, just so they can check a box in their purchase requirements, not because they want to run Windows!

[Abulia]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.Well, check your own poll; you're clearly in the minority. (By a large margin.)

[Mord]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.

do you like know, anything?

the key thing is dual booting, i dont think it's even possible to boot windows without OS X installed, some people need some windows software thus need to boot windows just for that software, or when video drivers have been done gamers.

[kretzy]

I think "its ok". I use VPC currently for a few apps I need for uni and that's fine for me. I can totally understand why people would want to dual boot. However, if you choose to predominantly use XP over OS X then I might think you're crazy, but in the end I don't care because I don't have to use it.

[QCassidy352]

it's of no use to me, but I think it will make more people use and appreciate macs, so even though it looks unnatural, I'm ok with it.

[GimmeSlack12]

Being able to use Windows on a Mac is getting more for your money. You are enabling a wider range of computing.

Let the Apple vs. Microsoft Battle die finally. It's a useless pissing contest.

[thequicksilver]

I am almost entirely a Mac user. I love my Mac. But, invariably, there are things I want to do on my computer that I could only do on Windows.

So, I have a choice. I could buy a second PC to complement my iBook. Or, alternatively, I could replace it with one machine, an Intel Mac, which runs both natively.

It's an absolute no-brainer.

For those who don't want or need to run Windows on a Mac, good for you. Just don't say that it's sickening. What others do on their computer is absolutely none of your business. :p

[miniConvert]

I'm in the horrified camp. I just don't think Apple Mac's should run any operating system other than Apple's own. :)

[Pistol Pete]

i voted sicken me...

cause it does...but i do agree with both sides...some people need it and I tap them on the back for buying a mac and understand their needs for xp sadly as well...

[vniow]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.

A Mac is a computer, its a tool, not a lifestyle, not a sign of a high social standing, installing Windows on it doesn't bring your status down any, its a ****ing machine people. Those of you who think about puking over an operating system on a machine seriously need something else to occupy their time.

[emaja]

<snip>

Those of you who think about puking over an operating system on a machine seriously need something else to occupy their time.

These are the same types who predicted the end of the world when Apple switched to Intel in the first place. To them, being able to run Windows natively on a Mac is the second sign of the apocalypse.

[GimmeSlack12]

A Mac is a computer, its a tool, not a lifestyle, not a sign of a high social standing, installing Windows on it doesn't bring your status down any, its a ****ing machine people. Those of you who think about puking over an operating system on a machine seriously need something else to occupy their time.
I am so glad there are people like you on the forums. Bravo.

[jadekitty24]

A Mac is a computer, its a tool, not a lifestyle, not a sign of a high social standing, installing Windows on it doesn't bring your status down any, its a ****ing machine people. Those of you who think about puking over an operating system on a machine seriously need something else to occupy their time.
What she said.
Damn!! Impressed...

[taylorpohlman]

For all those who are offended by running Windows on Mac hardware, remember that lots of Mac lovers are stuck in groups and companies where Windows Apps must be used - I not talking about Office or OpenOffice, I've used that with no problems to share docs, etc. I'm talking about groupware that can't be run through conversion filters, stuff like Groove, that only works on a Windows PC. Without Virtual PC, as bad as it is, I would have had to convert, or at least buy an Windows machine.

The point above about Explorer is correct also - as braindead as it is, some sites refuse to support multiple browsers, and require a Windows machine. Stupid, but if you have to get to that site, you have no choice. OS X has gone a long way with Windows networking compatibility and VPN software, etc. but there are still people out there who don't understand that the Web is about compatability with multiple platforms, not an extension of the Windows desktop.

Also, the point about testing Windows Browsers is important - without the ability to do that using IE under XP, a lot of web developers would need dual machines - a waste compared to running an emulator to quickly check things out.

So, get rid of the "religious issues" about degrading the Mac by running Windows - that attitude almost did Apple in during the late 80s/early 90s. Think about what would keep everybody, including corporate America, in OS X 90% of the time - then you'll really see that share number rise, and more ports of good stuff to the Mac.

T

[asencif]

For all those who are offended by running Windows on Mac hardware, remember that lots of Mac lovers are stuck in groups and companies where Windows Apps must be used - I not talking about Office or OpenOffice, I've used that with no problems to share docs, etc. I'm talking about groupware that can't be run through conversion filters, stuff like Groove, that only works on a Windows PC. Without Virtual PC, as bad as it is, I would have had to convert, or at least buy an Windows machine.

The point above about Explorer is correct also - as braindead as it is, some sites refuse to support multiple browsers, and require a Windows machine. Stupid, but if you have to get to that site, you have no choice. OS X has gone a long way with Windows networking compatibility and VPN software, etc. but there are still people out there who don't understand that the Web is about compatability with multiple platforms, not an extension of the Windows desktop.

Also, the point about testing Windows Browsers is important - without the ability to do that using IE under XP, a lot of web developers would need dual machines - a waste compared to running an emulator to quickly check things out.

So, get rid of the "religious issues" about degrading the Mac by running Windows - that attitude almost did Apple in during the late 80s/early 90s. Think about what would keep everybody, including corporate America, in OS X 90% of the time - then you'll really see that share number rise, and more ports of good stuff to the Mac.

T

I just hope that all those users will be in OSX for 90% of the time like you said, however some people are just doing it for the games. That can probably be like 50-60% of Windows usage. Yes, people can do whatever they want with their computers, but we all do want Mac OS X to keep growing and gain more support.

I also wonder how many people here or that will try this actually is going to go out an purchase a copy of Windows XP Pro SP2. To do this legally you have to go out and support MS and purchase it. Most people still have no choice in this windows program driven world unfortunately. Let's try to create more choices by supporting Mac OS X and even Linux.

[contoursvt]

Maybe I can add a different perspective about this. I'm primarily a PC user but do have a B&W G3 running 10.3 as a second box. Id count my Quadra 950 as a mac but its more a paperweight but a cool one :)

Anyway LONG ago I was so sick of DOS / Windows 3.x that I decided to try IBM's OS/2. It was great. Love it. It was rock solid, it was different and I was proud to run it because of the fact that it was not common and hey it worked very well. I ran all my DOS and Win 3.1 apps just as well, plus i could run native OS/2 apps which were around but not so many. I watched friends suffer with Win 3.1 and win 95 and I laughed.

...then came NT4. I decided to try it. Wow, I was surprised. It was still nastly looking like 95, but you know, it was pretty stable and very responsive and multitasked well. I ran my OS/2 but after some time I decided to dual boot to NT4. At first I was sickened at what I was doing. I was supporting Microcrap and there was nothing unique about this thing but as time went on, I realized that it doesnt matter. I was able to run every app I had with great stability and speed. Shortly after, I had no guilt about running what ever I wanted. Its about convenience and not brand loyalty. If product X does what you want, then use it. Who cares what it is and who made it.

The moral of the story is live is short and we're gonna die. Enjoy what ever programs you want to use and stop worrying about politics. In fact, I love XP now. I have had no issues with it and I dont even run Antivirus. I just make sure its up to date and watch where I surf. Its fast, its stable and supports tons of hardware. There are a huge amount of games available for it too. Great multimedia platform. It would be great to have a mac that can dual boot into a different environment and run the apps at full speed and for the people who are whining... its your own loss. You're emposing some limitation on yourself for no reason. Steve jobs is not going to come give you a hug because you're against running windows on a Mac.
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[Macmadant]

Well, check your own poll; you're clearly in the minority. (By a large margin.)

It horrifies me, and sickens me are practically the same so i wouldn't call 26% a minority, and no it's ok and awesome are not the same as people who think it's awesome will do it, people who think it's ok aren't really that bothered.


I agree with that 100 percent and someone obviously agrees with me

[redAPPLE]

what i think is, macrumors.com is going to be a forum (not entirely, but surely increasingly) on how to "repair" window$ problems.

i have also noticed an increase in noobs sounding like nelson (from the simpsons), which is annoying, and praising how great window$ is.

there are people here, who hate window$. imo, a "real" mac user would not publicly state that the he/she installed window$ in his/her macintel.

[ezekielrage_99]

Instead of buying 2 computers, I now can just buy one... a mac... and have OSX and Windows in 1...


An even cheap alternative is to buy a Mac and pirate XP.......

;)

I'm a naughty boy

[Platform]

Its OK.....I won't do it, but for someone who needs to, it great ;)

[Abulia]

It horrifies me, and sickens me are practically the same so i wouldn't call 26% a minority, and no it's ok and awesome are not the same as people who think it's awesome will do it, people who think it's ok aren't really that bothered.Actually "Awesome" and "it's ok" do have the same amount of overlap as your "horrifies" and "sickens" point. Face it, split it down the middle and 73.02% are for Windows running on a Mac and 26.98% are against it.

In other words, 3 out of 4 Mac users don't mind/support Windows running on a Mac.

Juggle the numbers however you'd like, you're clearly in the minority.and someone obviously agrees with meNifty. The two of you should get a room together and exchange some elitist Mac fundamentalist love!

[Abulia]

Oh, I'll also reference this poll at MacPolls (http://www.macpolls.com/index.php) which asked a similar question but with much better questions/data points than yours. Current sample size is 9,601 respondents.

Don't worry, you're still in the minority!

[sixstorm]

I honestly think it's ok just for the simple fact of gaming. I'd really like to have the best of both worlds ya know?

I'm just surprised that nobody has posted a pic of their iMac with a Blue Screen :D

[calculus]

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In other words, 3 out of 4 Mac users don't mind/support Windows running on a Mac.
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Well anyone who thinks that the users of this forum are a representative sample of Mac users really isn't paying attention.

[vniow]

imo, a "real" mac user would not publicly state that the he/she installed window$ in his/her macintel.

Useless snobby drivel.

[bankshot]

What I do have a problem with is people who get all bent out of shape because everyone isn't exactly like them. Everyone has different needs. I'm all for anything that makes things a bit easier.

Hey now, not everyone is exactly like you. Some people need to get bent out of shape over things like this. They have different needs than you, so why can't you just accept that? Open your mind a little bit!

:D ;)

[Lord Blackadder]

Right now the Intel Macs are the only computers that can natively run Linux, OS X and Windows. How cool is that!

If the Intel transition plus the dual-booting breaks the hardcore zealots' hearts, so much the better for Apple. Those zealots can all go switch to Amigas...

The bottom line is that IBM was not interested in continuing to develop CPUs for Apple that could compete with the x86 crowd. Now we have a better CPU with a good future roadmap, and can (sort of, until more drivers appear) run Windows apps 100% natively as a bonus. This is a GOOD thing.

[emaja]

Well anyone who thinks that the users of this forum are a representative sample of Mac users really isn't paying attention.

Exactly. They are clearly the top percentage of Mac users. You would think that these forums would be filled with Mac zealots that would never, ever want anything to do with Windows at all and vote "I am horrified," but they aren't and they are voting with their brains and not being stupidly emotional about it.

In this case at least, it is clear that the Mac users here are by and large practical about things and not dogmatic.

[asencif]

Right now the Intel Macs are the only computers that can natively run Linux, OS X and Windows. How cool is that!

If the Intel transition plus the dual-booting breaks the hardcore zealots' hearts, so much the better for Apple. Those zealots can all go switch to Amigas...

The bottom line is that IBM was not interested in continuing to develop CPUs for Apple that could compete with the x86 crowd. Now we have a better CPU with a good future roadmap, and can (sort of, until more drivers appear) run Windows apps 100% natively as a bonus. This is a GOOD thing.

The development of PPC is not really dead as there has been improvement in speed and it running cooler. (ex. 970GX) Anyway, the Intel deal was done for the laptops and future development of smaller form factor macs or other unknown future products. The speed of production is a benefit and one of the biggest is the Intel name. Just look at all the adds lately. Steve Jobs wanted to switch a while ago, so he always saw it as the better business deal.

For the average consumer, they were not really caring about what was inside in order to buy. Macs were up in sales last year all using PPC and even laptops with G4. Of course in this forum we do care and about 1,000 negatives were out the day of the switch. Now everyone loves Intel and that they can run Windows. 360 degreee turnaround...Hipocracy or just follow the leader? Anyway, I never trashed the move to Intel and saw the buisness benefits and how we will benefit. Just now everyone seems to be seeing it. However, stop trashing PPC or AMD. Those chips are great. Not the reason we went with Intel. There's more to it.

This transition was not for booting other OSs', however since it's Intel we got a huge bonus and helps those who need to occasionally run Windows. Now out of the 90 people and 80 that are on the positive side of this...I wonder how many of those are going to buy their Windows XP Pro SP2 retail or OEM disc to do this. Also, how many will get to used to Windows on a Mac where they use Mac OS X 20% of the time. Let's hope they still support the better OS and the more innovative company(Apple), so more 3rd party developers look our way. So it's ok...Nothing awesome about running Windows IMHO.

Sorry for the long post.

[Macmadant]

Well anyone who thinks that the users of this forum are a representative sample of Mac users really isn't paying attention.

Thanks, mate;)

[Macmadant]

I'm in the horrified camp. I just don't think Apple Mac's should run any operating system other than Apple's own. :)

At least i've got my own countrymans support

[GFLPraxis]

A lot of you may feel different than me, but i think it is terrible that people are running Xp on their macs, i often say i dislike intel, then others say "it doesn't matter whats underneath it's mac osx i love" then the very purpose for which they brought a mac for has gone, once they install a inferior OS, so the very reason they brought the mac was because they hated XP, i don't know about you, but i hate the thought Of windows, an ugly OS running on such a beautiful computer.

This is full of snobby elitism (sorry, not trying to offend you, but it IS severe elitism), feeling that it's more important that a Mac not have any 'inferior' software on it than meeting people's needs, which is the REAL reason people buy Macs. Yes, the very reason one may buy a Mac is because they hate XP, but would you rather someone NOT have a Mac because they HAVE to use a Windows based application? That's the reason I'm currently Macless! I had a Pismo I used for school but my home PC had to be a Windows PC because of all my software. My Pismo recently fell off a desk. Now that the Intel Macs can dual boot Windows, I can buy a Mac to REPLACE MY PC and get rid of it. I will use Windows less than I ever did, only booting it for certain programs, and finally have a Mac desktop.

[nylon]

At least i've got my own countrymans support

You know, you still haven't provided any reasons as to why this horrifies you. You've only made the statement that it does. Perhaps you would care to elaborate on your position.