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MacRumors
Apr 11, 2006, 07:08 AM
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NWSource publishes (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002921742_btwozniak10.html) an brief Q&A session with Steve Wozniak (http://www.woz.org/), one of the co-founders of Apple Computer.

"I didn't want to start this company," said Wozniak, known in Silicon Valley simply as "Woz." "My goal wasn't to make a ton of money. It was to build good computers. I only started the company when I realized I could be an engineer forever."

Wozniak reports that even he does not get a "heads-up" on upcoming Apple products and that he "would never ask" because he feels bad about "all the rumors and leaks from the inside." Woz also prefers to avoid the beta-hardware bugs and instead experience finished products like all the other consumers.

Woz also reveals he was only recognized once at an Apple store, and was given two 65-watt AC adapters for free.

According to the article, an autobiography entitled "I, Woz" will be published this fall.

nataku
Apr 11, 2006, 07:13 AM
looks like Apple employess only bow down to one STEVE! :D

sunfast
Apr 11, 2006, 07:15 AM
I can't believe he doesn't get the "heads up" about new stuff. That'd be one of the best bits of working there!

sushi
Apr 11, 2006, 07:19 AM
Woz is a very a unique and talented person to say the least. His circuit design is legendary.

The Woz, so cool! :D

The two Steve's are definitely different, that is for sure.

johnbro23
Apr 11, 2006, 07:20 AM
Woz basically just slammed Boot Camp (the comment he made about beta software). I mean thats the most significant thing Apple has out thats in Beta, right?

mcadam
Apr 11, 2006, 07:23 AM
2 AC adapters... is that it?! ... after all he's done!!

Edit - from woz.org (http://www.woz.org/):
Dear Woz,
When you call Apple to order stuff and you give them your name, do people recognize you and say "Hey, your that dude that created Apple!"

Woz: I order Apple stuff online. I doubt that any human ever sees the names. But once I ordered a gigabit ethernet option. Apple noticed two months later that only two of these had been ordered, both by me! I do get noticed every time I buy shareware, and that brings me a lot of T-shirts that I get good use out of.

... a few free t-shirts and he's happy. Cool guy. :)

A

timmillwood
Apr 11, 2006, 07:27 AM
to be honest i wouldnt know him if i saw him and he IS apple, jobs just seems to be a marketing guy

I will be buying the book, and i think he should go back and work with apple!

fixyourthinking
Apr 11, 2006, 07:31 AM
A report will come out 2-3 days from now with a clarification ...

I don't know why he does these interviews ... most people take him totally out of context or selectively word their interviews with loaded questions that may not have been worded that way to Woz.

Leoff
Apr 11, 2006, 07:36 AM
I can't believe he doesn't get the "heads up" about new stuff. That'd be one of the best bits of working there!

Woz doesn't work for Apple. He hasn't for a long time.

Leoff
Apr 11, 2006, 07:38 AM
Woz basically just slammed Boot Camp (the comment he made about beta software). I mean thats the most significant thing Apple has out thats in Beta, right?

How is not wanting to use beta software, software that you've had no hand in designing, "slamming" anything? He simply doesn't wish to test software out on his computers. I'd hardly call that a "slam."

50548
Apr 11, 2006, 07:40 AM
Woz doesn't work for Apple. He hasn't for a long time.

But as a shareholder, he is still one of the owners...:rolleyes:

MrCrowbar
Apr 11, 2006, 07:50 AM
Did you hear this 30 anniversary podcast? they had Woz among other early days apple guys on VOIP. Woz sounds really like a tech nerd/genius to me. Quite the opposite of Steve (Jobs).

backspinner
Apr 11, 2006, 07:57 AM
I'd like two 65-watt AC adapters.
hehe, he's a real engineer

Butler Trumpet
Apr 11, 2006, 08:56 AM
i just woke up when i read it, i thought it was me...haha, so i skipped that line, it made my head hurt

HAHA! I did the exact same thing... thought "Oh, I just cant read right now", and went on to the next line!

very nice

dornoforpyros
Apr 11, 2006, 09:06 AM
uhh I read this like a month ago. This article isn't new, it's a good read, I'm just not sure why it's being posted now.

F14CRAZY
Apr 11, 2006, 09:15 AM
From what I've read, technically, he's still on the Apple payroll. He just isn't paid. And doesn't do anything. Just a symbolic thing.

Demon Hunter
Apr 11, 2006, 09:28 AM
That's really sad no one at the stores recognize him. It proves my theory that Apple retail hires a bunch of schmucks, who don't know Mac SE from Quadra. If they sell AppleCare, that's all that matters.

Personally, I would be ecstatic... hug him, get him to autograph my limbs, my PowerBook, etc. ;)

Chaszmyr
Apr 11, 2006, 09:54 AM
to be honest i wouldnt know him if i saw him and he IS apple, jobs just seems to be a marketing guy

There is so much more to it than that, especially since 1997.

lukesb1982
Apr 11, 2006, 10:02 AM
Woz is a cool guy, but he gets recognized more than he leads on. I worked at the Santa Clara Apple store for two years and saw him in there atleast once a month. Everytime he came in the entire store recognized him and he loved every minute of it. Even customers came up to him for autographs. Sometimes we had to keep them away so he could shop. I think I've sold him about 4 PowerBooks and he never accepts the discount unless it's an educational discount. Cool guy. He carries around a stack of two dollar bills and charges people $3 for two of them and then signs them. If you ever see him in public ask him for one

musiclover137
Apr 11, 2006, 10:28 AM
Typos anyone? That article was horribly edited

jubjub
Apr 11, 2006, 10:32 AM
That's really sad no one at the stores recognize him.

" I didn't say anything about who I was. And they bring them out. I say, "How much?" They say, "We are expensing it." I said, "Yeah, but how do I pay for it?" They said, "No, no, no we are allowed to give gifts to special people.""

ChrisWB
Apr 11, 2006, 10:38 AM
Woz doesn't work for Apple. He hasn't for a long time.Woz DOES work for Apple, and has the entire time. He never quit. They have him unoffically represent Apple at various events. Check out Woz.org (http://woz.org) for more info.

KEL9000
Apr 11, 2006, 10:49 AM
he never accepts the discount unless it's an educational discount. Cool guy.


he is a third grade teacher now, isn't he?

bankshot
Apr 11, 2006, 01:21 PM
Woz basically just slammed Boot Camp (the comment he made about beta software). I mean thats the most significant thing Apple has out thats in Beta, right?

Uhhhh, yeah. :rolleyes:

When I talk with reporters, I will talk about the pluses and minuses of an issue and, boy, sometimes they like to grab a little minus, twist the words a little, exaggerate it and make a headline.

Notice any similarities here? :p

phatpat88
Apr 11, 2006, 02:42 PM
just have to love that guy lol.

now i feel like watching pirtates of silicon valley again

Electro Funk
Apr 11, 2006, 02:50 PM
Poor Woz... Doesnt even get recognized at an apple store... :confused:

JDOG_
Apr 11, 2006, 02:55 PM
just have to love that guy lol.

now i feel like watching pirtates of silicon valley again

YAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRR sounds good to me.

Best made-for-TV movie I've seen in a long time. 24 and Lost could be considered in that league as well though...

I remember Leo Laporte talking to Woz on TWIT a while back and he said he was still a consultant for them. Him and Jobs will meet up every once and a while and chew the fat about products. The special Apple-anny TWIT is worth listening to if you want to find out more.

FF_productions
Apr 11, 2006, 03:38 PM
This guy needs more credit, without him, we may have never had an Apple Computer.

morespce54
Apr 11, 2006, 03:51 PM
This guy needs more credit, without him, we may have never had an Apple Computer.

That is for sure... well, the "Apple vision" may be from Jobs, but the "Apple well-designed hardware concept" comes from him... :rolleyes: :D

Electro Funk
Apr 11, 2006, 03:54 PM
This guy needs more credit, without him, we may have never had an Apple Computer.

without him we definately would have never had the opportunity to buy a shiney new mac! :eek:

quigleybc
Apr 11, 2006, 03:57 PM
2 AC adapters... is that it?! ... after all he's done!!




"I changed the world and all I got was these lousy AC adapters...":p

goddylla
Apr 11, 2006, 04:00 PM
Woz is probably the coolest person to be associated with Apple. It's his design that sits in the Smithsonian...with the rest of what is important to remember.

I think one of the greatest testaments to his genius is his STILL..unbeaten score in Tetris in the pages of Nintendo Power Magazine.

I read somewhere that Nintendo Power once got so tired of running Wozs' high scores that they asked him not to submit any further Tetris achievements to their publication. What did Woz do......he submitted his Tetris scores under his name spelled backwards.....and they printed it.

Staffroomer
Apr 11, 2006, 05:57 PM
Why are there so many errors in that article? Oh well, the book looks like it could be interesting..

CompUser
Apr 11, 2006, 06:15 PM
Is it just me or does Woz seem like a complete jerk?

Supa_Fly
Apr 11, 2006, 06:23 PM
I would love to see Jobs & Apple on the very LAST G5 Dual Core high-end PowerMac have one 'signed' ingraving & color (maybe a hint of black & gold; signature in gold, machine metal in BLACK) by Steve Wozniak!

That would be so cool since, I think the cpu that he originally decided to put in the Mac close to a G5 but not too close to the Intel.

That would be incredible. Furthermore since he loves the education system; it would be great to see half of the sale $$ go to a lower blessed school in the USA.


This would be a nice fairwell to the G5 IBM/Motorola-Freescale/Apple PowerPC alliance, and a sweet tribute to Wozniaks brilliance in helping Apple get going to such an amazing start.

Q. Do you attend Apple product-announcement events?

A. That's actually one of the nicest things Steve does for me: He makes sure I am always invited to the VIP guest area for the product rollouts. I appreciate that more than I can ever say. Those things have inspired me. They have inspired my children when I have brought them in the past. They are really great to see.

Now that is what friends do for one another .... both of them have class! This is why I love the company Apple & the company they keep!

Demon Hunter
Apr 11, 2006, 06:27 PM
I feel like a newbie for asking this, I should really know after all these years, but how did Woz and Steve meet? High-school buddies, or what? Are they still good friends? Do they workout at the same gym, etc.

Demon Hunter
Apr 11, 2006, 06:29 PM
I would love to see Jobs & Apple on the very LAST G5 Dual Core high-end PowerMac have one 'signed' ingraving & color (maybe a hint of black & gold; signature in gold, machine metal in BLACK) by Steve Wozniak!

That would be so cool since, I think the cpu that he originally decided to put in the Mac close to a G5 but not too close to the Intel.

That would be incredible. Furthermore since he loves the education system; it would be great to see half of the sale $$ go to a lower blessed school in the USA.


This would be a nice fairwell to the G5 IBM/Motorola-Freescale/Apple PowerPC alliance, and a sweet tribute to Wozniaks brilliance in helping Apple get going to such an amazing start.

Brilliant. But at this rate, we won't even get an anniversary party. :(

Takumi
Apr 11, 2006, 06:53 PM
Once in a while, though, if a computer doesn't work with a cellphone I have, I loan my cellphone to some engineers and they'll make sure the next operating system version works with it.

Some people ahve all the luck

takumi

exmacuser
Apr 11, 2006, 08:27 PM
Read:
http://slashdot.org/apple/00/01/07/1124211.shtml

Woz IS the man. He does work for Apple and he should be the decision maker. Then again if he was, Apple would be making great computers again and not selling iPods. It's all a business game.

exmacuser
Apr 11, 2006, 08:30 PM
I feel like a newbie for asking this, I should really know after all these years, but how did Woz and Steve meet? High-school buddies, or what? Are they still good friends? Do they workout at the same gym, etc.

Watch the Pirates of Silicon Valley or buy Woz's book.

Still friends, hahahaha!
Work out at the same gym, hahaha. It sure wouldn't hurt. He needs to get off that Segway.

exmacuser
Apr 11, 2006, 08:32 PM
without him we definately would have never had the opportunity to buy a shiney new mac! :eek:

Well, he didn't work on the Macintosh. They were in the other building.

exmacuser
Apr 11, 2006, 08:34 PM
That is for sure... well, the "Apple vision" may be from Jobs, but the "Apple well-designed hardware concept" comes from him... :rolleyes: :D

Well, it did. Now it's old news. Of course until the switch again. Maybe the open source UltraSparc will change things again for Apple in a couple years.

Electro Funk
Apr 11, 2006, 09:01 PM
Well, he didn't work on the Macintosh. They were in the other building.

yes, but during the summer of 1975 Woz invented the Apple-1.... without this there would never have been the macs we buy today ;)

Electro Funk
Apr 11, 2006, 09:03 PM
Did anybody know that Woz and Jobs designed the game Breakout for Atari?

one of the classics! :D

Electro Funk
Apr 11, 2006, 09:09 PM
Watch the Pirates of Silicon Valley or buy Woz's book.
Work out at the same gym, hahaha. It sure wouldn't hurt. He needs to get off that Segway.

Excellent Film... and id agree, Woz needs to spend a little more time off the segway! LoL :p

whiskeybravo
Apr 12, 2006, 11:17 AM
Is it just me or does Woz seem like a complete jerk?

It's just you.

Demon Hunter
Apr 12, 2006, 01:34 PM
Did anybody know that Woz and Jobs designed the game Breakout for Atari?

one of the classics! :D

Well, Woz designed the circuitboard, and Jobs took the profit. :o

According to Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 for each chip that was reduced in the machine. Jobs had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design, and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $500 (rather than $5000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $250.

Plymouthbreezer
Apr 12, 2006, 03:53 PM
Cool stuff.

*posts from Woz signed TiBook (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=188909)* :D

exmacuser
Apr 13, 2006, 08:56 PM
yes, but during the summer of 1975 Woz invented the Apple-1.... without this there would never have been the macs we buy today ;)

Of course I know that he invented the Apple I. I still own my Apple II and I spent a day in 1979 with Woz telling him all about his Apple. He was astonished that a 13 year old kid knew more about the computer then he did.

exmacuser
Apr 16, 2006, 09:09 PM
This thread commands more attention. The Apple of today is far from the Apple that Woz invented. It's a shame Apple has become just another x86 box. There is no reason to buy an Apple anymore. They are no longer superior in anyway. The hardware is gone. Just another Dell box. Woz deserves more respect. I'm glad I met him decades ago and was able to spend the day with him in the basement of the DOD breaking code protection on software. All these rich kids that buy Apples becuase they look neat should do some homework and learn about the real deal and what a cutting edge genius Steve Wozniak was and still is. Steve Jobs is a money hungry SOB and has destroyed the Apple computer company. Woz is a humble scientist that created a design that changed the world, too bad that idealology has died. Steve Jobs gave up on quality and decided to go for quantity and the almighty dollar. Apple computer company is dead. Woz, if you read this. You changed my life and I appreciate that. Thank you.

amin
Apr 16, 2006, 09:26 PM
Woz basically just slammed Boot Camp (the comment he made about beta software). I mean thats the most significant thing Apple has out thats in Beta, right?

No. First of all, his comments were made before he or any of us were aware of Boot Camp. Also, if you listen to his interwviews, he has no interest in slamming Apple on any front, and tries not to say anything which could be construed as such, regardless of context. I've heard him make the statement about beta before, and he seems to mean just what he says, no more and no less.

MacsRgr8
Apr 17, 2006, 03:23 PM
exmacuser,
In some ways I do agree with you.
The "old" Apple feeling (i.e. Mac superiority during DOS/Win3.11-period, users driving around in 2 CV's, etc.) has gone now, and Steve has brought Apple right into the heat of the IT-war.
But...
Like it or not, the world of computing has changed, and Apple had to adapt to simply stay alive. Classic Mac OS was not up to it, and Apple's worsening name in hardware quality had to be saved.
What could Apple do?
Bring a great modern OS, invent some kind of killer-piece-of-hardware to make the Apple brand name "cool" again, and begin selling cheaper computers to be able to compete with the WinTels.
Well, that is excatly what Steve did.
Yep, Apple has gone for the big bucks. But they had to.

And, IMHO a Mac still is a Mac. Even with its x86 hardware inside, you can instantaneously recognize a Mac, and a Mac is still the only computer on which you can run Mac OS legally. The "it just works" feeling is still there, and I bet that still nearly every Mac owner is actually proud of being one.