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wmmk
Apr 19, 2006, 08:19 PM
i have promised to speak no longer of this certain topic.
if you thought a certain thing called phoenix OS was cool,
go here:
http://liberalmac.gwtall.com/legacysystems/

i shall say no more.



WildCowboy
Apr 19, 2006, 08:35 PM
A blank page...simply mind-blowing...

savar
Apr 19, 2006, 09:30 PM
Is there a way to not see posts written by certain people on the front page?

wmmk
Apr 19, 2006, 09:30 PM
A blank page...simply mind-blowing...

um...maybe your browser isn't working, but it should automatically go to
http://liberalmac.gwtall.com/legacysystems/Welcome.html

that's weird
please try the link again, and if it doesn't work again, then i really have to do something!

wmmk
Apr 19, 2006, 09:31 PM
Is there a way to not see posts written by certain people on the front page?

what do you mean?

CoMpX
Apr 19, 2006, 09:34 PM
I think he is trying to say the whenever he click new posts he doesn't want to see you up there. Now I'm not saying that, it's just what he is trying to say.

Anyway, good luck with your OS, you have a crap load of work to do. ;)

wmmk
Apr 19, 2006, 09:41 PM
Is there a way to not see posts written by certain people on the front page?


yes, it's called looking for posts by that person!

cheers ;)

thedude110
Apr 19, 2006, 09:49 PM
Good for you for your commitment and your belief in yourself, especially in the light of so much doubt.

Now keep up the hard work! ;)

Peyton
Apr 19, 2006, 09:51 PM
i have promised to speak no longer of this certain topic.
if you thought a certain thing called phoenix OS was cool,
go here:
http://liberalmac.gwtall.com/legacysystems/

i shall say no more.


OK, good sir, I don't mean to be a nay sayer, but you seriously you making an OS by yourself (or you and all your friends combined 100+) will take you literally 10 years to have anything usable, and a lot longer for you to compete with OSX. I mean OSX as it stands today, not 10 years from now.

Its like me saying I am going to be president of the USA, I have some great ideas, now watch me go. It takes a lot more than that. OSX has had 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars and countless hours by countless numbers of extremely talented people to develop.

If you want to impliment great ideas (and I'm all for that) I'd recommend you go to a great tech college, get recognised by apple, and go straight to work on their next gen os. That, I promise you would be quicker, and 100% more likely than your current plan.

Seriously, not trying to be a downer but I don't think you know what you're up against. And if its only you working on it, you won't see a final project in your life time. and by the end of your life time os's won't be used anymore.

my 2 cents

dpaanlka
Apr 19, 2006, 10:02 PM
If you want to be taken at-all seriously, you should probably stop mixing politics with business, and get a new URL.

Vader
Apr 19, 2006, 10:15 PM
Is stealing (I know you made changes) opendarwin's logo a good idea?

wmmk
Apr 19, 2006, 10:19 PM
If you want to be taken at-all seriously, you should probably stop mixing politics with business, and get a new URL.

this is not really a business, but a project.
i will probably keep being hosted by teccion (great host)
but get a dot tk domain name

if anyone could help me set this up, that'd be cool!

thanks to CoMpX for the nice comments!

in terms of tis taking 10 years, that's ok.

anyway, the link is for people who actually find this interesting.

peyton, your criticism was actually constructive, thanks for that!

if anyone's a darwin expert, pm me.

anyway, i am only responding to your comments. this is just a link. if anyone is actually interested, visit the site. i'm looking for an easier way to update the blog at this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=195051). any help with easily updating iweb blogs that are not on .mac would help!

thanks and cheers ;)


EDIT: i've just registered for legacysystems.tk

wmmk
Apr 19, 2006, 10:29 PM
Is stealing (I know you made changes) opendarwin's logo a good idea?

i am paying respect to the fact that this uses darwin (totally open source) as the core. this logo is also used for other BSD and Unix realted things in various forms

yellow
Apr 21, 2006, 04:03 PM
Dead links.

No redirection. Looks like you misconfigured it.

Because there's no index at "http://liberalmac.gwtall.com/legacysystems/" and no Welcome page at "http://liberalmac.gwtall.com/legacysystems/Welcome.html"... Mainly because your page is ACTAULLY:

http://liberalmac.gwtall.com/Welcome.html


Sorry, but I don't see an OS on your horizon if you're still struggling with Apache. ;)

savar
Apr 21, 2006, 07:22 PM
what do you mean?

It means I should know better than to click on topics called "great link"...

wmmk
Apr 27, 2006, 08:54 PM
btw, i have permission from the creator of hexley, the darwin logo, to use my modified version of his creation. also, my site is down. anyone else hosted by teccion having problems at the moment?

janey
Apr 27, 2006, 09:25 PM
btw, i have permission from the creator of hexley, the darwin logo, to use my modified version of his creation. also, my site is down. anyone else hosted by teccion having problems at the moment?
i don't know what more you expect from free hosting. Same goes to the .tk.

also, like everyone said, what you're trying to do is essentially like climbing everest or k2 with no experience at all. Start small and work up. What you're trying to do is just too much considering how little you know (from what I can tell from your previous posts here, i.e. porting closed source apps).

wmmk
Apr 27, 2006, 09:30 PM
OY!!!
how many times must i say that i'm just developing apps in modifeid BASIC for an OS that's just darwin with this implimentation of modified BASIC in it. i am also photoshopping, illustrator-ing projected screenshots of the main GUI that other friends who are more experienced developers are translating into real code. i also come up with a lot of our ideas, but that's not too hard, as i think different;)!

janey
Apr 27, 2006, 09:38 PM
OY!!!
how many times must i say that i'm just developing apps in modifeid BASIC for an OS that's just darwin with this implimentation of modified BASIC in it. i am also photoshopping, illustrator-ing projected screenshots of the main GUI that other friends who are more experienced developers are translating into real code. i also come up with a lot of our ideas, but that's not too hard, as i think different;)!

...You're writing stuff for an OS in BASIC? Pray tell how does that possibly work out to be a good thing at all?

And instead of photoshopping, what's wrong with prototyping with Excel spreadsheets or html or some deal? Rough examples of what to do are nicer than pretty but useless pictures on the screen.

And if all you're doing is doing the fun GUI, stop calling your project as an OS, because it's a desktop environment (Aqua, GNOME, KDE, LG3D style) and not an OS.

dpaanlka
Apr 27, 2006, 09:55 PM
OY!!!
how many times must i say that i'm just developing apps in modifeid BASIC

I did something like that when I was like 12. I made a whole program that looked a lot like an operating system using Visual Basic 3 or something. Had it's own word processor and web browser. It had it's own UI that was very different compared to that of Windows 95, which it ran on top of. Gave people the impression that my computer was running some "other" OS.

Then I bought a Macinotsh.

wmmk
Apr 27, 2006, 10:02 PM
I did something like that when I was like 12. I made a whole program that looked a lot like an operating system using Visual Basic 3 or something. Had it's own word processor and web browser. It had it's own UI that was very different compared to that of Windows 95, which it ran on top of. Gave people the impression that my computer was running some "other" OS.

thanks you, see everybody?
IT'S POSSIBLE!!!

this runs fullscreen on MODIFIED darwin, so it really is its own OS.
this is not visual basic (way too feature limited), but IADDS (my friend's cross between objective C and BASIC)

janey
Apr 27, 2006, 10:05 PM
thanks you, see everybody?
// obnoxiously formatted text removed

what dpaanlka is saying != what you are saying, as his ran on top of win95, and you're suggesting a desktop manager that will be an aqua replacement.

Think the difference between gnome vs. gmail fullscreen in your browser.

Les Kern
Apr 27, 2006, 10:13 PM
None of the above links work. Is the web server running on this "new" OS? :)

wmmk
Apr 27, 2006, 10:17 PM
None of the above links work. Is the web server running on this "new" OS? :)
also, my site is down. anyone else hosted by teccion having problems at the moment?

no duh?!?!?! i am not hosting the site, a server running Mac OS X server is.
meh.

jon-chan
Apr 29, 2006, 02:09 AM
this is not visual basic (way too feature limited), but IADDS (my friend's cross between objective C and BASIC)

1st off, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but this statement makes be believe that you have little idea of what your talking about.

#1. A google search turns up nothing about IADDS (a BASIC and Obj-C mix).
#2. It takes *years* to be able to come up with something as feature-full as Visual basic, and you friend "invented" this language? Does it come with compliers, debuggers, linkers, classes, frameworks?
#3. You cant "mix" basic and objective-c into 1 language. Objective-C is object oriented, basic is not. Also, BASIC is not to be used to build complex programs (like aqua), the performance would be horrible and debugging would be virtually impossible. Not to mention BASIC provides no frameworks.
#4. Modifying Darwin (the kernel) on _any_ level would require nasty, nasty hacking of the source code in C. Not something to be taken lightly.

If you really want to do something like you are describing, I suggest checking out the GNUstep project. They use Objective-C and have made classes to basically replicate what OpenStep was. GNUstep runs on Darwin, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc. Programs made in GNUstep should require little or no modification to re-complie for mac os x. Basically GNUstep is almost the same as Cocoa, but large chucks of Mac OS X are still based in Carbon (C api).

I hope I was able to help you. Again, I'm not trying to be mean, I hope you believe me. I do this all in love. :)

Take Care,
~Jon

Les Kern
Apr 29, 2006, 09:53 AM
Links that lead nowhere, concepts that make no sense... all in all a GREAT thread. I think we can move along now.

eva01
Apr 29, 2006, 10:29 AM
i would think someone that wants to make an OS would go with a stable server and hosting service....

wmmk
Apr 29, 2006, 10:38 AM
#1. A google search turns up nothing about IADDS (a BASIC and Obj-C mix).
That is because it is OUR exclusive language. Once our site is back up, IADDS should come up a few times in our site.

#2. It takes *years* to be able to come up with something as feature-full as Visual basic, and you friend "invented" this language? Does it come with compliers, debuggers, linkers, classes, frameworks?
To tell you the truth, all I know is that he added some stuff to BASIC to make it more powerful. The OS isn't being done in IADDS. The apps and applets bundled in it are.


#3. You cant "mix" basic and objective-c into 1 language. Objective-C is object oriented, basic is not. Also, BASIC is not to be used to build complex programs (like aqua), the performance would be horrible and debugging would be virtually impossible. Not to mention BASIC provides no frameworks.
This just feels more like Objective C, it's (as i already said) BASIC with more features.

#4. Modifying Darwin (the kernel) on _any_ level would require nasty, nasty hacking of the source code in C. Not something to be taken lightly. Most of what we're doing is natively implimenting IADDS and changing some graphical stuff with the bootloader and login thing, so nothing feels too *nix-ish.

If you really want to do something like you are describing, I suggest checking out the GNUstep project. They use Objective-C and have made classes to basically replicate what OpenStep was. GNUstep runs on Darwin, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc. Programs made in GNUstep should require little or no modification to re-complie for mac os x. Basically GNUstep is almost the same as Cocoa, but large chucks of Mac OS X are still based in Carbon (C api).
That sounds like a very neat project! Thanks! :D

I hope I was able to help you. Again, I'm not trying to be mean, I hope you believe me. I do this all in love. :)
That's cool :)

wmmk
Apr 29, 2006, 10:40 AM
i would think someone that wants to make an OS would go with a stable server and hosting service....

i am a student who can't pay for things such as these. i am saving every penny i have to donate to American Jewish World Service's efforts in Darfur, and whenever I get other spare change I save that to buy parts for an x86 test machine to run the OS on.

eva01
Apr 29, 2006, 11:02 AM
i am a student who can't pay for things such as these. i am saving every penny i have to donate to American Jewish World Service's efforts in Darfur, and whenever I get other spare change I save that to buy parts for an x86 test machine to run the OS on.


I am a full time college student that pays for college alone....i am missing the point.

My server is only 50 dollars a month pretty cheap for what i get and easily manageable.

wmmk
Apr 29, 2006, 11:18 AM
I am a full time college student that pays for college alone....i am missing the point.

My server is only 50 dollars a month pretty cheap for what i get and easily manageable.

i can't possibly pay $50 bucks a month for hosting. I'm 12. I have no credit card, and I am not allowed to use Mom's. $50 could be spent on much more useful things like processors and logic boards ;)

i just thought of a great idea! publish my site in folder to ourmedia (free and always on, no bandwidth limit!) wait, no. that only does single files, not folders. can anybody help figure out how to make a website work w/o having files, just lots of single files? thanks a billion!
:):D:):D:):D:):D

janey
Apr 30, 2006, 05:42 AM
Most of what we're doing is natively implimenting IADDS and changing some graphical stuff with the bootloader and login thing, so nothing feels too *nix-ish.
LOL! Dammit, make up your mind! You keep adding and omitting and tweaking your description of your project! Now it seems like you're gonna be taking Darwin, and changing the visual appearance, royally screwing up in the process because you can't have a nix based foundation and say it doesn't feel like it does.

You are natively implementing a language == at the very least, a compiler/interpreter for said bizarre mix of objc+basic (which, i still fail to see would work out to anything more than something akin to http://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/60255/ShowPost.aspx or http://www.goof.com/pcg/marc/bournegol.html )?!?!?!?!??!!

Sorry, I fail to see how a 12 year old like you can understand the concepts behind compiler design, to say the least, when he asks questions like how to port closed source apps (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=189901). (there are 25+ year olds out there who wouldn't understand a single word of anything in the dragon book...)

Unless, of course, you're not doing the majority of the work, which seems like the case because you don't seem to know much about it all. In that case, let the people doing the actual work talk.

Also, a free .tk domain (which, in essence is really a redirect) is completely unprofessional. A domain name is $8/year, hosting is as cheap as $20/year. Unless you're going to be using that to distribute your project, in that case I doubt a $20/year hosting plan will suffice, a cheap plan with minimal storage and transfer seems ideal for what you're doing right now. You must realize even people like Daniel Robbins go tens of thousands of dollars in debt promoting and distributing their OSs (he's the guy who created the gentoo linux project...not linux, but just that one particular distro). Even with donated hardware or hosting.

And as per the apple open source license for darwin, I believe for any public distribution of parts of your project, if it ever becomes !vaporware, you're required to make the source code available to anyone who uses it, or just make it publically available. In that event, you could look into SourceForge or any of the other similar sites, or contact places like osuosl for hosting your project.


Also, just a comment...it's admirable that you're donating so much money to help alleviate the situation in Darfur, but you're donating money, you are not obligated to donate money, and if hosting is such a priority to you (as it seems it does, 'cause a significant portion of your threads here are about hosting), consider spending some money on hosting before sending the rest of the money to help out with the darfur situation. Sure, I regularly donate money+time to amnesty international, the ACLU, and médecins sans frontières among other NGOs and such, but not to the point that I'd go talk about something I really want/need (need being not an intense wanting, but something absolutely necessary) for weeks on end that I justify not purchasing because I donate all my money away. Which, I don't, cause I'm saving up for grad school tuition.

Consider saving your money for a bit and investing it wisely. Then donate some (to help out in Darfur), save some (for a rainy day or for college), and use some (buy that hardware you need).

And hey, I'm not much older than you, and I don't have a credit card either. I sure plan on getting one someday, but I don't plan on ever using it. But there are so many other alternatives you can take advantage of, so stop whining and start researching. From my experience, Bank of America and Washington Mutual will give you (assuming your age < 18 ) checking accounts with parent permission and usually a good reason to do so (i.e. if you're a 16 year old college student). Other banks prolly will do the same. Visa has a special prepaid card for teens @ visabuxx.com that parents can manage. Your parents can do a lot of stuff for you in your name. So if they're not comfortable with you using their CCs online, then get them to put a few bucks into your own visa debit card-ish thing so you can use it yourself.

You don't even need a CC or a checking account to put money in a Paypal account (which a lot of hosting services accept as payment, i.e. godaddy and asmallorange). If you have any sort of bank account, you can do a bank transfer from your bank to your paypal.