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May 16, 2006, 08:03 AM
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The highly anticipated Macbook (http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html) has been released by Apple. The iBook replacement comes in black or white configurations, depending on price-point.

1.83 Ghz Core Duo White, $1,099
-Ships 1-5 Business Days
-60 GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive
-Combo Drive

2.0 Ghz Core Duo White, $1,299
-Ships 1-5 Business Days
-60 GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive
-SuperDrive

2.0 Ghz Core Duo Black, $1,499
-Ships 3-7 Business Days
-80 GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard drive
-SuperDrive

All Models:
-13 widescreen, 1280x800 display
-Front Row and Apple Remote
-Integrated iSight
-Magsafe
-Integrated Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64 MB shared graphics memory
-mini-DVI with extended display support
-512MB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
-1 Firewire 400, 2 USB 2.0 ports
-Gigabit Ethernet
-Airport Extreme + Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR) Standard

Other Notes: The iBook G4 and 12" Powerbook G4 have been dropped from the Apple Store.

All prices in US Dollars

drlunanerd
May 16, 2006, 08:03 AM
Very nice. Love the black :)

And I don't care about the integrated graphics, so ner!

sunfast
May 16, 2006, 08:03 AM
At last! Start the whining...

As the 12" PB has been dropped this must be the replacement for it too.

In that case how does the GMA950 compare to what was in the PB?

Tomaz
May 16, 2006, 08:04 AM
200$ more for the black one ????


Seriously: Nice update, as expected, on-board graphics is ok, if you want more, get the Pro.

c-Row
May 16, 2006, 08:04 AM
200$ more for the black one ????

Plus larger hdd...

gauchogolfer
May 16, 2006, 08:04 AM
200$ more for the black one ????

It does come with the larger hard drive, but you still pay a premium.

dizastor
May 16, 2006, 08:04 AM
integrated graphics

*sniffle*

still, they are pretty tempting. :)

eva01
May 16, 2006, 08:05 AM
200$ more for the black one ????

that is my thing, it only has an 80GB HDD as extra on it from what i can tell.

Why isn 't the black iPods more if the black macbook is more

Wellander
May 16, 2006, 08:05 AM
Hi,
The ibook is still avaible for schools to buy.

monkeyandy
May 16, 2006, 08:05 AM
LOL to all those who laughed at my suggestion that low end macbook would be white and high end black!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

nichos
May 16, 2006, 08:06 AM
What's a "glossy" display? Is it like the ones gateway has that shows fingerprints and is more like a mirror? I hope not. A nice upgrade to the iBook though!

macaddict06
May 16, 2006, 08:06 AM
Finally the wait is over. Students no longer have to shell out extra for a laptop because Apple was a bit slow on getting it out. Good specs too, nice work Apple!

fklehman
May 16, 2006, 08:06 AM
integrated graphics for the loss

ShavenYak
May 16, 2006, 08:06 AM
No whining from me. Actually right in line with my expectations. I'll try to get one of these on my Christmas list (my iBook G4 is still working fine, and we're buying a house right now, so it's not an opportune time to drop $1300). Core Duo, Superdrive, 512MB RAM, it's all good.

backspinner
May 16, 2006, 08:07 AM
Nice, and all Core Duo.

JCT
May 16, 2006, 08:07 AM
These look like great entry-level machines -- perfect for students!

JT

EGT
May 16, 2006, 08:07 AM
Gorgeous looking computer, very very nice. :)

Platform
May 16, 2006, 08:07 AM
Looks great....black :D

How does the new latch system work?....same as before?

And the Keyboard is totally new :D

JGowan
May 16, 2006, 08:07 AM
I love the overall package. Basically what could be expected. I was a little surprised with the free camera, but I think it's great that they're making that standard now. I'm sure it'll be standard on their Cinema Displays in the coming months, but with the height situation, they're going to have to allow some sort of way to adjust the camera's downward.

MacBook. I'd like to read it sometime.

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:08 AM
LOL to all those who laughed at my suggestion that low end macbook would be white and high end black!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Intel GMA...LET THE WHINING BEGIN!! ;)

Anyway, the GMA 950 with Core Duo is MUCH BETTER than the Radeon 9200 with G4...there is no comparison in terms of performance...I would've preferred dedicated GPU, but this is MacBook...the only similar offering from Sony is much more expensive, with a hybrid GPU system...

Max on Macs
May 16, 2006, 08:08 AM
Awesome. Price and features were pretty much as expected, though I expected the 2.0GHz one to ave the 80GB hard drive and for them both to be available in black or white at the same price point like the iPods, but still very nice indeed. The black does look rather nice though I'd have to see one in a store before I bought it just because... Well, I have me an MBP, which is what I wanted (and what I'd still choose even witht he MacBook out) but yes, very good offering, good to see Apple got it out. PowerMac and Xserve next!

aswitcher
May 16, 2006, 08:08 AM
Integrated graphics - I guess thats right for the price point and to keep the lines seperate.

Extra for black - I really hope that black shell is soemthing special like super scratch resistant or something.

Glossy screen, that was unexpected.

All dual core. Tick tock for the low end mini methinks.

Still mini DVI...

Optical in/out - nice.

Gigabit nice.

A pretty good release.

Cue
May 16, 2006, 08:08 AM
# Mini-DVI port
# DVI output using mini-DVI to DVI adapter (sold separately)
# VGA output using mini-DVI to VGA adapter (sold separately)
# Composite and S-video output using mini-DVI to video adapter (sold separately)


Does this mean that you cannot connect it to your monitor out of the box?
I'm interested to know if it supports clamshell mode.

Either way Im on for it! :D

ziwi
May 16, 2006, 08:08 AM
Seriously, the balck looks nice, but not $200 nicer than the white.

And on top of that in the Pro really worth that much more than the 13" mid level white?

Good stuff.

Multimedia
May 16, 2006, 08:09 AM
Bravo - Way Faster Than Anyone Predicted and 1280 wide x 800 high. Excellent! :eek: :)

DVI Out - Gigabit Ethernet. Man this is one hell of a Yonah winner!! :D

$150 Premium For Black Model. :rolleyes: :(

120 GB HD in White is $1549

120 GB HD in Black is $1699

First Aluminum Fall 2003 15" PowerBooks are 1280 x 854. Pretty good 12" PB replacement.

Still looking for Spanning capability? Anyone find that yet?

Educational Prices
1.83 GHz White 60GB Combo $1049
2 GHz White 60GB Super $1199
2 GHz Black 80GB Super $1399

scottlinux
May 16, 2006, 08:09 AM
Same chipset... same CPU as the macbook pro. Same computer at quite a lower price!

edesignuk
May 16, 2006, 08:10 AM
All very nice.

Integrated graphics is a bit of a shame, but not the end of the world. The premium for the black one is taking the piss a bit though. Naughty naughty.

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:11 AM
Seriously, the balck looks nice, but not $200 nicer than the white.

And on top of that in the Pro really worth that much more than the 13" mid level white?

Good stuff.

****, now I wanna upgrade my iBook G3...can you guys donate me some money? ;)

A black one for me, please!

p.s.: oh yeah, no Merom chip...the MacBook is already obsolete for some..! :p

monkeyandy
May 16, 2006, 08:11 AM
Anyone got the UK store back up yet? I want to buy one!:(

pincho
May 16, 2006, 08:11 AM
Now all that remains is the PowerMac, and what, its not even half way through 2006! good work apple!

on a side note, is 1.83ghz to 2.0ghz that much of a jump? not curiouis about the macbook, but rather that my 3 week old MBP has been made redundant :p

iJaz
May 16, 2006, 08:11 AM
At last! :D
So, they will only show the new store on Thursday then, or maybe also some new iPods.

Machead III
May 16, 2006, 08:12 AM
Phew, good job I ordered an iMac Core Duo instead, look at the graphics on those things... horrendous.

mikea
May 16, 2006, 08:12 AM
This is awesome! except for the back price??? Bizzare.
I'm pumped, I can't wait to get one!!!
Sorry for all my BULLSH%*! With all the delays, I refused to believe....
This post should be funny.

kirk26
May 16, 2006, 08:12 AM
The black hard drive upgrade prices are slightly lower than the white ones. I guess that evens the prices out.

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:12 AM
Bravo - Way Faster Than Anyone Predicted and 1280 wide x 800 high. Excellent! :eek: :)

DVI Out - Gigabit Ethernet. Man this is one hell of a Yonah winner!! :D

$150 Premium For Black Model. :rolleyes: :(

120 GB HD in White is $1549

120 GB HD in Black is $1699

First Aluminum Fall 2003 15" PowerBooks are 1280 x 854. Pretty good 12" PB replacement.

Still looking for Spanning capability? Anyone find that yet?

Is that what you're looking for?

Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors

mark88
May 16, 2006, 08:13 AM
My worries:

Will it scratch as easily as Ipods?

I'm guessing you need at least 1GB memory, but something also tells me that still isn't enough,

surroundfan
May 16, 2006, 08:13 AM
Is it just me, or is the base MBP starting to look a bit poor on the VFM front. If you don't need a separate graphics card and are happy with a smaller display, a white Superdrive MacBook can be specced up with an 80GB HDD for about $650 less than a MBP (although the speedbump has improved matters for the 15" MBP)...

lelereb
May 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
I think the $150 difference for a paint job is a little much. It only cost $50 to upgrade a white one to the same specs so why the extra flow for a black one?

you are on right, 200 is too much for the black one


i'm a bit surprised for the 2ghz dual core, i was expecting 1.66 or 1.83, 2ghz is a surprise

ImAlwaysRight
May 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
White 2.0GHz is definitely the sweet spot. Paying a premium for the black hardly seems worth it to me. Is black that popular? From reading forums, most folks seemed to prefer white anyway.

I'll be making a trip to my Apple Store before 10AM today. I'll post some picts later today once I get the 100GB 7200RPM HD installed. :) Going for the white 2.0 model. :D :D :D :D :D :D

And for all of you that said core solo in the low model, well :p .

And for all of you that said integrated graphics, well :o . (But I'll gladly trade the dedicated graphics for: faster processor (2.0 instead of 1.66), less heat, longer battery life. Plus DVI out. I sure hope spanning is allowed and not just stuck on video mirroring.

This MacBook is AWESOME!

Apple charges $500 :eek: for two 2 x 1GB dimms (replacing the 2 x 256MB). Good thing I got my pair of Mushkin 1GB modules for $70 each, plus I can eBay the old ones.

sunfast
May 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
Anyone got the UK store back up yet? I want to buy one!:(

I have.

Very impressed that a 2GHz CD is available. Just a shame there is no option for a better graphics card - the specs almost seem a bit unbalanced. But I guess Apple don't see the need for a small pro machine.

Platform
May 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
Bravo - Way Faster Than Anyone Predicted and 1280 wide x 800 high. Excellent! :eek: :)

DVI Out - Gigabit Ethernet. Man this is one hell of a Yonah winner!! :D

$150 Premium For Black Model. :rolleyes: :(

120 GB HD in White is $1549

120 GB HD in Black is $1699

First Aluminum Fall 2003 15" PowerBooks are 1280 x 854. Pretty good 12" PB replacement.

Still looking for Spanning capability? Anyone find that yet?

If you read apple.com...It tells you that:

Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors

uv23
May 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
Hmmm, do they expect former PowerBook 12" owners to actually buy this? Apparently they do, because I saw a few references in the tech specs to xxx on the MacBook being better than xxx on the iBook/12" PowerBook. Unfortunately, I don't want a plastic laptop or integrated graphics. The specs are great, for an iBook. But there's still a product gap where a 12/13" MBP needs to go. Oh well, guess I keep waiting...

macmadandproud
May 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
Now don't flame me: They are gorgeous machines, and it is not my intent to whine (too much!) but is anyone else a little dissapointed that they weigh in at 5.2lbs? That is only a sliver less than the 15.4" MBP...and this has a 13" screen!!

Asus and others are putting better specs into 4.5lb machines...why shouldn't Apple be able to? :confused:

ipwn00bs
May 16, 2006, 08:15 AM
$200 more for 20GB more?

Anyways, http://www.spymac.com/galleries/show_photo.php?picid=470997 i was ready and waiting, the stores had started going down....then....new macbooks!!!!!.......black, cool.....intergrated graphics, oh w*t*f*

rosalindavenue
May 16, 2006, 08:15 AM
I'd say the only surprise/ disappointment for me is the "glossy" screen. I really dislike the glossy PC notebook screens. I suppose the brightness will take care of it but my eyes are getting sketchy and I hate any kind of reflectiveness on the screen.

longofest
May 16, 2006, 08:15 AM
the GMA 950 with Core Duo is MUCH BETTER than the Radeon 9200 with G4...there is no comparison in terms of performance...I would've preferred dedicated GPU, but this is MacBook...the only similar offering from Sony is much more expensive, with a hybrid GPU system...

Remember the latest crop of iBooks had Radeon 9550's in them to support Core Image. I still think that GMA 950 will actually eek out comparable, if not ever-so-slightly better performance than the 9550, but just wanted to point that out.

Remember folks, despite Apple upgrading a lot of the specs to make the Macbook much more of a mid-way notebook that could adequately replace the 12" Powerbook, it is still placed as the entry level laptop. If you want to game and you want a Mac, then you really should be going for a MacBook Pro. Those won't have integrated graphics anytime soon.

morespce54
May 16, 2006, 08:16 AM
is that 200 $ for 20 GB more ???

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:16 AM
They can charge a premium for black as we all want that colour. It'll be interesting to see if the price falls for the black once the rush has died down.

JRM PowerPod
May 16, 2006, 08:16 AM
Cheers to Apple, it isn't even halfway 2006 (when they said the transition would begin) and nearly all products with the exeption of the PowerMac are intel. Very good job, very nice products.

Just about to buy a black one, stock standard grab 2 1gb dimms and she'll be rocking like no other.

Vintegrated graphics or no integrated graphics, products like these make Apple, apple, the best

Dr_Maybe
May 16, 2006, 08:16 AM
A lot of computer for the money. It's like a mini-intel-powerbook. The new 12" powerbook.

The 12" powerbook was like an aluminium ibook. Now they don't call it pro anymore, and it's black instead of aluminum.

Same CPU speeds. The highres widescreen, and isight. I want one, like an ipod, but don't neeed it. I should get a MacBook Pro instead.

But you can get a Mac Mini and Macbook for less than a Macbook Pro! Or an iMac and low end Macbook for less than the high end 15" MBP. hmm....

flaire
May 16, 2006, 08:17 AM
Looks like the MBP have also benefitted today. Slight processor upgrades and price reductions (in Canada anyway).

macconen
May 16, 2006, 08:17 AM
I just went to Apple.com before coming here, and when the page loaded, my heart missed one beat... Damn I´m happy, too bad that you wont get it in black in cheaper models... I love it already.

solstice
May 16, 2006, 08:17 AM
I was hoping the Magsafe would be compatible with both MacBook (wife's getting one) and my MBP. But they have different power ratings so I guess that's out, bummer. :( But 6 hour battery life! She's going to love it. :)

iBookie
May 16, 2006, 08:17 AM
Here's a link that provides a full comparision. Very nice spec compared to the MacBook Pro. There must be a speed bump around the corner. :)

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/images/comparison_chart.html

Peace
May 16, 2006, 08:18 AM
that is my thing, it only has an 80GB HDD as extra on it from what i can tell.

Why isn 't the black iPods more if the black macbook is more


Because you can go to college and show your roomies the "special" MacBook and get all the chicks ;)

longofest
May 16, 2006, 08:18 AM
is that 200 $ for 20 GB more ???

Nope... it's disguised as that, but its really for getting it in black. And you know what? People who really want their Macbook in black will pay up the extra money no matter how much we complain in these forums. Apple created a huge sex appeal with that black notebook, and sex pays.

pashazade
May 16, 2006, 08:18 AM
I'm not whining nor complaining (I've got plenty of greenbacks, thank you) -- but I think the $150 difference for a paint job is a little much. And if it's not a "little much", you have to ask WHY? It only cost $50 to upgrade a white one to the same specs so why the extra flow for a black one? I think it would've been a great gesture to offer it without a price hike. They don't hike up the iPod for a black one..

It's not just $200 extra for the black. I wanted the lower end $1099 one in black. If I want to get a black one that means I have to pay $400 extra. Ok, so I get a higher spec, but it's a higher spec I don't need!

JRM PowerPod
May 16, 2006, 08:19 AM
IT HAS CLAMSHELL, (world errupts)

Lid-closed mode Work in lid-closed mode with an external keyboard, mouse and display

kretzy
May 16, 2006, 08:19 AM
I'm in shock!
47618

Very unusual, considering integrated graphics and the glossy screens.

tchaten
May 16, 2006, 08:19 AM
In the comparision chart the MB is sporting a 6 hour battery life, no backlit keyboard though, and a little thicker than the MBPs

I am so excited by this announcement a replacement for the ibooks and 12" powerbooks

noservice2001
May 16, 2006, 08:19 AM
educational discount

$1,049.00
$1,199.00
1,399.00

i like how i went from post #20 to 70 in a couple minutes... it's only 6am... gee wiz east coasters....

Bubbasteve
May 16, 2006, 08:20 AM
Well I was planning on going downtown to Chicago tomorrow so hopefully they have these in the stores. I really like the new design but I'm not thrilled on the black by any means....maybe my opinion will change once I see one in person.

foo10
May 16, 2006, 08:20 AM
The Macbook looks sweet.

I also noticed that in the Finnish applestore the prices of the MBP's have dropped and the 15" models start with a 2.0Ghz core duo.

Voidness
May 16, 2006, 08:20 AM
I'm so not happy with the Intel GMA, it's a stupid Intel curse! It's a downgrade from the previous iBook, in almost every manner.

Young Jobs
May 16, 2006, 08:21 AM
Very Nice. I am a little dissapointed in apple's dicision to make the black 200 dollars more. Thats way to "Microsofty."

CallmeKenneth
May 16, 2006, 08:21 AM
Oh my giddy aunt! Does anyone want to buy a kidney?
They look very nice - the keyboard looks cool...:cool:

steelfist
May 16, 2006, 08:21 AM
hell YEA! widescreen too! BABY!

Leoff
May 16, 2006, 08:21 AM
This makes me very, very happy.

Oh, the MacBook is nice and everything, but now we can FINALLY shut up about the "Rumored" MacBook. It's out, it's for sale. Now either buy it or don't, but please, NO MORE RUMORS!

mark88
May 16, 2006, 08:21 AM
A lot of computer for the money. It's like a mini-intel-powerbook. The new 12" powerbook.

The 12" powerbook was like an aluminium ibook. Now they don't call it pro anymore, and it's black instead of aluminum.
.

I agree, it's obvious to me that the black model is aimed at 12" powerbook users who want to upgrade, but don't want the consumer model. The black is a bit more 'grown up' than white you might say.

I love my 12" PB but am not interested in either of these new notebooks unless I see just what material they are made of. A £1000 laptop that scratches everytime you touch it isn't very appealing.

jblock
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
Will these show up in stores immediately or are they just going to be available direct for a while?

gammamonk
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
Anyone know about Ram upgrades? I just say on dealsea, a 1gig notebook chip for $88. That'd give you 1.25gigs for less than the price of 1gig on the apple site.

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
Nope... it's disguised as that, but its really for getting it in black. And you know what? People who really want their Macbook in black will pay up the extra money no matter how much we complain in these forums. Apple created a huge sex appeal with that black notebook, and sex pays.

I guess my Thinkpad does have sex appeal after all, who knew?!:rolleyes:

hob
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
Niiice. Looks beautiful. Same processor as the iMac? (Dual 2GHz?)

Is there a Stevenote for this?

lars steenhoff
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
super cool!

I love the new look!

Aperture will run fine on these, I tested it on the mac mini and it works just fine with the version check removal.

I hope the glossy screen is good for photo editing.
gigiabit ethernet is nice
optical audio is just perfect!

overal not dissapointed at all

Multimedia
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
Is that what you're looking for?

Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colorsYes sir. Thank you very much. Thus endeth the era of Macs without Spanning or Extended Desktop capability.

This is way more like a Junior PowerBook than it is a Senior iBook. It has all the features of the 15" Powerbook less Expresscard/34, Dual DVI 30" Monitor Support and of course a lower resolution screen but 800 pixels high which I was advocating here. It represents a tremendous value for the sub $2k market and the 13" size.

I know I have been advocating waiting for Merom. But meanwhile, this is a great new Mac for those who need one right away and/or don't want to wait any longer. I do think the premium price for Black is unwarranted. Does it really cost $150 more to make it that color? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes: :(

zelmo
May 16, 2006, 08:22 AM
My daughter, being the emo kid that she vehemently denies she is, will have to have the black version for college this fall. I wonder is she'll want to cover the difference?:rolleyes:

A very nice release, Apple. Solid spec's for an entry notebook.

Palad1
May 16, 2006, 08:23 AM
Watch out before blind-buying.

The new iBooks have a different keyboard technology. I'd try before buying....

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:23 AM
Here's a link that provides a full comparision. Very nice spec compared to the MacBook Pro. There must be a speed bump around the corner. :)

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/images/comparison_chart.html

Thanks for the link...the ONLY relevant thing missing is the GPU, as well as the fact that the MB is a bit heavier than the iBook...other than that it's an AWESOME machine.

This is gonna sell like hot cakes, really.

Core Trio
May 16, 2006, 08:23 AM
Its nice to see that they didnt cripple the processor speed to separate from the Pro but kept it down in other ways that many users wouldnt really notice (ie integrated graphics) AND still managed to keep the entry level at a reasonable price. But I can't really see the justification in charging more just because the case is black...

also, the new keyboard design looks interesting, have to head over to the apple store once they are in and see these things for myself.

kirk26
May 16, 2006, 08:24 AM
I'm in shock!
47618

Very unusual, considering integrated graphics and the glossy screens.

Glossy screens is what we want!

ImAlwaysRight
May 16, 2006, 08:24 AM
Check out the new keyboard...

Keys seem slightly more rounded on the edges. Plus, look at the arrow keys on the bottom right. That's all new, no?

Anyone notice battery life?

http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/wirelesstop20060516.jpg

Chundles
May 16, 2006, 08:24 AM
79% brighter screen!!

Hooray, now I'll be able to see my reflection really clearly in the glossy screen.

Nah, it's a top-notch machine. The price is a little higher, but not too bad, can't wait to get a proper look at one and try out the integrity of that magnetic latch.

Hmmm.... this little guy might be taking an accidental tumble.....no just kidding, he's "retro cool" now. :D :D

mashinhead
May 16, 2006, 08:24 AM
i don't mind if this is the 12 inch pbook replacement, as long as it has dvi out and screen spanning. The should have made it in silver/aluminum too though. And charging more for the black one, i'm not down with that. Are the HD upgrades 7200 rpm? When do you think they'll be in stores?

AlmostThere
May 16, 2006, 08:25 AM
Anyone got the UK store back up yet? I want to buy one!:(

Up and running. £749 is a very good price, too. Nay, excellent ... but shows up the MacBook Pros slightly. Updates must be round the corner :)

These look very nice from the pictures, one of the nicest laptops I have seen.

Integrated graphics are to be expected and fine on these machines. An all core-duo line-up more than makes up for that.

No modem, though? On a laptop? I know we are moving to a broadband / wireless world but omitting a modem on this level of computers is really corner cutting.

Like others, the premium on the black version confuses me? If there was anything special, surely Apple would make a little song and dance about it. Maybe it is hidden in the tech-specs somewhere.

UWF404
May 16, 2006, 08:25 AM
I gotta pay $19 if I want to use external monitor! :mad:

ImAlwaysRight
May 16, 2006, 08:26 AM
I know I have been advocating waiting for Merom. But meanwhile, this is a great new Mac for those who need one right away and/or don't want to wait any longer. I do think the premium price for Black is unwarranted. Does it really cost $150 more to make it that color? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes: :(
My red minivan cost $175 for the color. Only $25 more to color a whole van than a laptop computer. So to answer your question -- no. :)

As for your proposal to wait for Merom, Multi, all is forgiven on a day like today. ;) :D

I gotta pay $19 if I want to use external monitor! :mad:
If that's your biggest complaint, then, well, I, ur ... uh ... don't know what to say.

Are the HD upgrades 7200 rpm? When do you think they'll be in stores?
Since no speed is mentioned, and they go to 120GB, they most certainly are all 5400rpm.

Custom configured said 1-5 business days, so my guess is they will be available at Apple Stores TODAY. I am going to mine sometime before 10AM so will let you know.

Platform
May 16, 2006, 08:26 AM
Check out the new keyboard...

Keys seem slightly more rounded on the edges. Plus, look at the arrow keys on the bottom right. That's all new, no?

Anyone notice battery life?

http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/wirelesstop20060516.jpg

Yeah the KB seems good, well I don't know....


Apple.com provides al the info you need, why don't you give it a try :rolleyes:

Work Longer Unplugged
MacBook offers up to 6 hours of battery life. (2.5 hours of DVD playback, 3.5 hours with wireless turned on.) Here’s how to squeeze out every last second of battery power when you need it.

MacQuest
May 16, 2006, 08:26 AM
Looks like the MBP have also benefitted today. Slight price drops and processor upgrades.

There's no price drops, just upgrades.

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:26 AM
You can get a modem dongle if you really need it. Most users these days have no use for one.

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:26 AM
Yes sir. Thank you very much. Thus endeth the era of Macs without Spanning or Extended Desktop capability.

This is way more like a Junior PowerBook than it is a Senior iBook. It has all the features of the 15" Powerbook less Expresscard/34, Dual DVI 30" Monitor Support and of course a lower resolution screen. But it represents a tremendous value for the sub $2k market.

I know I have been advocating waiting for Merom. But meanwhile, this is a great new Mac for those who need one right away and/or don't want to wait any longer. I do think the premium price for Black is unwarranted. Does it really cost $150 more to make it that color? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes: :(

As another poster said, black for Apple is sex appeal...and people will be willing to pay for it, given the crazy demand for black Nanos...

My only gripe is that, for the top-end users, we could have a BTO choice of dedicated graphics...but if you look at the comparison with the MBP, this is the only relevant thing missing...the rest is almost equal to a MBP...GO APPLE!

Chundles
May 16, 2006, 08:27 AM
Check out the new keyboard...

Keys seem slightly more rounded on the edges. Plus, look at the arrow keys on the bottom right. That's all new, no?

Anyone notice battery life?


The RAM slots must be on the bottom so there's no need now to remove the keyboard. HOORAY!!! It looks like it sealed so no more dust and crap getting down there and no more interfering keyboard ribbon making the space bar total crap.

lifeboy001
May 16, 2006, 08:27 AM
Ordered and done. Glad to finally be free of using my girlfriend's inspiron 9300....

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:27 AM
It's 15:22 here. There's a world outside USA, surprise ;)

Same here from Switzerland (and soon from Brazil, -5 hours...) ;)

bikertwin
May 16, 2006, 08:28 AM
Anyone think the price for the black unit ($150 premium over HD upgrade alone) is a test? It's not supposed to ship for a few days after the white one.

Maybe Apple is using it as a test to see how much people complain about it? If there's an uproar, maybe they'll decrease the price before it ships, or add a feature (more RAM or something)???

The MacBook web site looks like it's not finished (clicking on a link for the Glossy Screen brings you to a page that doesn't even mention the glossy screen!).

So maybe there's something else lurking in the black model if people complain enough?

gedto
May 16, 2006, 08:28 AM
I am so impressed. Fantastic price point. I am so going to buy one.

Cool points:

- Now supports DVI (that means Cinema Display!)
- Now has closed-lid mode.
- Gigabit Ethernet.
- Digital audio in & audio out.
- Ligher and slimmer than the iBookG4 14''.
- Way better resolution.
- Glossy display (WOW)
- Core Duo 1.83!!!
- Black model - so cool
- Gorgeous price
- 6 hour battery life
- 2 DIMMS instead of soldered memory
- Ships in 1-5 days! :D
- No latch (WOW)
- FrontRow+iSight+MagSafe
- Be-a-u-ti-ful design.
- Keeps FireWire
- New, firmer keyboard
- Bigger trackpad

Only bad spots:

- No dedicated graphic card as extra
- No superdrive in the lower model (expected)

I want one. I want one. I want one!

gloss
May 16, 2006, 08:28 AM
Besides the black carrying a $150 premium (once you account for HD size), it looks awesome.

Of course, I shelled out the extra money.

61132
May 16, 2006, 08:28 AM
I dont know if this has been said yet, but the macbook pro has a glossy screen option now. I wonder how it looks in person, I personally dont care for the mirror look.

50548
May 16, 2006, 08:29 AM
Check out the new keyboard...

Keys seem slightly more rounded on the edges. Plus, look at the arrow keys on the bottom right. That's all new, no?

Anyone notice battery life?

http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/wirelesstop20060516.jpg

Estimated at more than 6 hours battery life...yesss

ReanimationLP
May 16, 2006, 08:29 AM
I'd like to announce that I have successfully converted my sisters boyfriend from PC over to Mac, and that he will be picking one of these up as soon as they are availble via retail stores.

JGowan
May 16, 2006, 08:29 AM
Nope... it's disguised as that, but its really for getting it in black. And you know what? People who really want their Macbook in black will pay up the extra money no matter how much we complain in these forums. Apple created a huge sex appeal with that black notebook, and sex pays.I wouldn't say that APPLE created the sex appeal with the black. I've seen plenty of these same slim type 'books in all black (and other colors) for a LOONNGG while. Apple (I love 'em) but they're just catching up, actually.

astaples
May 16, 2006, 08:29 AM
I've been waiting for this forever. I've got a PBG4-12" that I want to replace even though it's brand new, BUT...

The good: love the resolution in that size of screen - finally Apple puts enough pixels in a smaller amount of space

The bad: $200 for black is insulting considering this is Apple we're talking about - they've always been so good to me in the past, why become microsoft now? Pay extra for a plastic you have proven to me with my nano will scratch when breathed on? I think not. Sorry Apple, I love you, but I'm no sucker.

The ugly: integrated graphics is what killed this sale. I have been planning for over a month to buy the MB the moment it was released, but the integrated graphics just will not do - why would I downgrade from an ATI9200 to an Intel anything... maybe it's because I've owned intel cards in the past... I just cannot pay anything for an intel graphics chip - yuck.

russell
May 16, 2006, 08:29 AM
Take note guys - MBPro now has BTO for glossy screens too!

"Choose the glossy widescreen display to make your graphics, photos, and videos appear with richer color and deeper blacks - great for watching DVD movies. If you prefer a display with anti-glare coating for a matte rather than glossy viewing experience, choose the standard widescreen display.

Both widescreen displays are significantly brighter than previous Apple notebooks. The 15-inch MacBook Pro is 67% brighter than the 15-inch PowerBook G4, and the 17-inch model is 36% brighter than the 17-inch PowerBook G4."

GooMan
May 16, 2006, 08:29 AM
Pretty nice machines, I'm sure I'll order one pretty soon.

There is no way I would pay $150 more for the black one.

Also, there is no way I would get the black one until I was convinced it would be more scratch proof than the black iPods.

laidbackliam
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
they quietly upgraded the macbook pro


no more 1.83

I'M OBSOLETE

steve_hill4
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
Shape of things to come?

No keynote, just a release and spec increase on the MBP. Still glad I didn't wait for mine, otherwise I would have had even more of an eye on Merom and never have ended up deciding when to buy. I like the specs of the MacBook, but a few things bother me, mainly the word "Glossy" on the screen. I personally think the displays on the PowerBooks and MacBook Pros have been the best screens around. Ignoring brightness, not too dull, no significant glare. Perfect.

dernhelm
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
I hope the family is not really complete. No 13" mac book pro? I know some people who will be very disappointed. The graphics capabilities of the macbook are just a little weak for many professionals...

Coyote2006
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
Too expensive compared to other notebooks on the marked. And all models with integrated graficcard. Not even a X1400 model.

MacBook Pro: 1 step forward
MacBook: 2 steps back

That's what I expected:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/29/asus-w7v-4-2-pound-core-duo-laptop/

:(

phatspider
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
Glossy screens is what we want!
Dont think anyone has mentioned this but on the MBP you can now choose between glossy or normal screen at no extra cost!

Nice touch

gauchogolfer
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
I'm so not happy with the Intel GMA, it's a stupid Intel curse! It's a downgrade from the previous iBook, in almost every manner.

I'd say that it's an upgrade from the old iBook, with the possible exception of the graphics. How about a wayyyy faster processor, higher RAM ceiling, iSight, higher-res screen, etc, etc.? Plus the cool black case :cool:

alienex
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
I just bought the low end white one.

Black is nice but it looks too much like a dell or IBM. Plus I think white is just alittle more upscale looking even though I love my black iPOD I still think white is an overall nice color for these products.

Yvan256
May 16, 2006, 08:30 AM
At last! Start the whining...

As the 12" PB has been dropped this must be the replacement for it too.

In that case how does the GMA950 compare to what was in the PB?

The 12" PowerBook has a GeForce FX5200/64MB. I wonder if the value of my 12" PowerBook just dropped (G4 vs Core Duo) or stayed the same (GPU).

jaxstate
May 16, 2006, 08:31 AM
Has anyone seen any benchmarks on the intergrated graphics chip. Other than that, I got everything I asked for! HORRRAAAY DVI out. Can't seen anything negative to say about this.:)

atlendor
May 16, 2006, 08:31 AM
Have to say, I'm dissapointed. I was waiting for a PowerBook 12" replacement, but these macbooks dont seem to (quite) fit the bill... Especially the integrated graphics and plastic case (no Aluminium?! liked that)

ho hum. guess I'll have to lug a 15" MBP on my travels instead... or get a viao...

:cool:

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
Estimated at more than 6 hours battery life...yesss
But only 3.5 with wireless turned on...seems like a bit of a downgrade. I wonder if that's including Bluetooth?

BenRoethig
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
I would love to see black as no cost option for both for all of Apple's machines.

Eluon
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
am I missing something, or is there nothing drastic that seperates the macbook from the macbook pro?

phatspider
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
I rely heavily on my Vodafone Mobile Connect Card so that rules out all Apple laptops for me :(

Its a PCMCIA card, and I dont beleive they have plans to make them any different soon as most laptops still have PCMCIA slots

Gonna have to stick with my 15" PB (which I upgraded to from my 12" just for the PCMCIA slot)

guzhogi
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
Now all that remains is the PowerMac, and what, its not even half way through 2006! good work apple!

Don't forget the xServes! They haven't been upgraded in what seems like years.

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
The 12" PowerBook has a GeForce FX5200/64MB. I wonder if the value of my 12" PowerBook just dropped (G4 vs Core Duo) or stayed the same (GPU).
I would imagine it dropped.

wyrmintheapple
May 16, 2006, 08:33 AM
I said in one of the other threads there wouldn't be a 12" PB.
The 12" had more in common with the ibook anyways. Now there is no g3-g4 difference, plus the graphics card supports extended display, and the black looks like a good old Powerbook of old, there is less need for a real 12" Powerbook. Basically the black one replaces it. yes, discrete graphics would be nice, but the GMA950 isn't so bad, unless you play games. It does Quartz Extreme, Core Image, 32 Bit colour and display spanning, so its well featured and powerful enough for all the stuff most non-gaming Mac users need it for.

Pitty black wasn't an option on the low end as I quite fancied a black one, but really need the spec of the baby one.

Platform
May 16, 2006, 08:34 AM
Anyone think the price for the black unit ($150 premium over HD upgrade alone) is a test? It's not supposed to ship for a few days after the white one.

Maybe Apple is using it as a test to see how much people complain about it? If there's an uproar, maybe they'll decrease the price before it ships, or add a feature (more RAM or something)???

The MacBook web site looks like it's not finished (clicking on a link for the Glossy Screen brings you to a page that doesn't even mention the glossy screen!).

So maybe there's something else lurking in the black model if people complain enough?

Nah.....Apple has done this in the past with the iMac's....people will pay don't worry :p

monkeyandy
May 16, 2006, 08:34 AM
MacBook (white), 13.3-inch, 2GHz Intel Core Duo
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo
Country Kit
1GB 667 DDR2 - 2x512MB SO-DIMMs
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple Mini-DVI to VGA Adapter
Keyboard & Mac OS
80GB Serial ATA drive

3 - 5 days! Used my educational discount! Sweet! I'm gonna be sick i'm so excited!

Coyote2006
May 16, 2006, 08:34 AM
am I missing something, or is there nothing drastic that seperates the macbook from the macbook pro?

X1600 ...

Core Trio
May 16, 2006, 08:34 AM
Im not really sure about how I feel about the glossy screens, my mom's HP laptop has one and it certainly has a problem with glare in certain lighting. But when using it in perfect conditions I guess it is pretty nice.

Anyone currently using a glossy screen laptop?? How do you like it?

Tomaz
May 16, 2006, 08:35 AM
Too expensive compared to other notebooks on the marked. And all models with integrated graficcard. Not even a X1400 model.

MacBook Pro: 1 step forward
MacBook: 2 steps back

That's what I expected:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/29/asus-w7v-4-2-pound-core-duo-laptop/

:(

Just wondering, how much costs the ASUS compared to the MacBook ?

Dr_Maybe
May 16, 2006, 08:35 AM
The black color $200 extra is not expensive, compared to getting it from colorwarepc (http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/select_macbook.aspx).

It is more expensive for Apple to sell different colors. Of course they plan to make money on the black color. But it is no loss to those buying the white ones.

So if you don't want to pay extra, get the white one. It's the same with cars. Some paint jobs are extra.

4np
May 16, 2006, 08:35 AM
...nice but where is that new iPod?

flaire
May 16, 2006, 08:35 AM
There's no price drops, just upgrades.

I guess the exhange rate has been adjusted (for Canadian buyers) - $ 100 CAD price drop on the low-end MacBook Pro.

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 08:36 AM
X1600 ...
backlight keyboard
bigger, higher res screen
availability of 7200RPM disk
full DVI, no adapter needed
nicer case

now whether this is all worth ~$500 to you is unknown.

steve_hill4
May 16, 2006, 08:36 AM
I hope the family is not really complete. No 13" mac book pro? I know some people who will be very disappointed. The graphics capabilities of the macbook are just a little weak for many professionals...
I think that they will initially claim the Black 13" model is the replacement. However, 2x256MB, Intel graphics and poly casing isn't an exact replacement. They may bring out another model, or even a sub-notebook and say new addition to the family. You know what Apple are like.

One thing does confuse me with the UK store though:
Low White: £749
High White: £899
Black: £1029

Whereas on apple.com/uk/macbook:
Low White: £799
High White: £929
Black: £1099

:confused:

Eluon
May 16, 2006, 08:36 AM
the $2,500 macbook pro was upgraded to 2.16ghz standard from the 2.0.

knicks20
May 16, 2006, 08:36 AM
Anyone think it'll be available at the retail stores today?

odedia
May 16, 2006, 08:37 AM
I Have to add this point: The Macbooks are built by Asus (or so it is rumored). I've had the pleasure of using ASUS products for almost 7 years now. They are a truly remarkable company, with excellent RELIABLE products.

In that respect, I believe that the Macbook will have less problems that the Macbook Pro itself, which is amazing. Asus knows how to build computers!

Oded S.

Scartissue
May 16, 2006, 08:37 AM
Right, doesn't look like I can count on getting the price I was hoping for for my iBook 12" 1.25... I'm still going for a Macbook Pro. These things look sweet, but the features I want are available on the Macbook, and then some, and a part of me wants to go the way of the glutton and get a 17" screen to play with.

Harryc
May 16, 2006, 08:37 AM
It will be interesting to see how the Macbooks with a plastic case handle the furnace heat that eminates out of a 2.0Ghz core duo. The Pro's have Aluminum cases to disipate heat and are hot as it is. More to come I'm sure...larger and potentially noisy fans maybe?

jaxstate
May 16, 2006, 08:38 AM
Just saw this, but wth is a glossy screen?

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:38 AM
I rely heavily on my Vodafone Mobile Connect Card so that rules out all Apple laptops for me :(

Its a PCMCIA card, and I dont beleive they have plans to make them any different soon as most laptops still have PCMCIA slots

PCMCIA slots are all being phased out in favour of the new expresscard standard as seen on the MBP.

Peace
May 16, 2006, 08:38 AM
am I missing something, or is there nothing drastic that seperates the macbook from the macbook pro?

you are correct..
The laptop line is now the "MacBook Family"

Warbrain
May 16, 2006, 08:39 AM
This computer is a bit of a let-down. But not totally.

I don't really see the point of having a glossy display. Sure, it might mean that you don't puncture the LCD, but it means that you'll constantly see your reflection and then see all the smudges and everything on the screen. Blech.

I don't like the fact that it has Integrated Graphics. I don't know if they did this because of size or weight (can't be for weight, it gained!) but it's not a good move. If it's meant to replace the 12-inch Powerbook, it didn't. It's heavier and has limited graphics.

And to pay a premium for a black MacBook? It's not worth it. The white is just fine.

And speaking of working fine, my iBook will serve me well for the next 5 years. I have no reason to move to a MacBook. There's really nothing that could entice me.

And the fact that none of these computers have modems anymore really irks me. I don't want to pay extra for something that I pretty much use every day because of how my family doesn't have the money for high-speed and doesn't understand how much it would really cost to get DSL. But whatever.

gekko513
May 16, 2006, 08:39 AM
backlight keyboard
bigger, higher res screen
availability of 7200RPM disk
full DVI, no adapter needed
nicer case

now whether this is all worth ~$500 to you is unknown.
Express Card slot.

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:39 AM
Just saw this, but wth is a glossy screen?


Like the Sony laptops. Most PC laptops sport them now. Not sure I dig them really.

Platform
May 16, 2006, 08:39 AM
X1600 ...

Yes and more

Just Pro vs Consumers...

X1600 (support for the 30"), Option of 7200rpm HDD's, bigger screens, Express card slot, backlit KB and the 17" has got FW 800 ;)

Multimedia
May 16, 2006, 08:39 AM
Watch out before blind-buying. The new iBooks have a different keyboard technology. I'd try before buying....Also note that Black Keys Will Be More Visible In Low Light due to WHITE characters on black. White model black characters will not be visible at all in low light. Tricky since this model will never have backlights. An additional reason for wanting a BLACK one.

jaxstate
May 16, 2006, 08:40 AM
Wow, the Macbook Pro's got a speed bump! Man o man what a tough decision.

phatspider
May 16, 2006, 08:40 AM
PCMCIA slots are all being phased out in favour of the new expresscard standard as seen on the MBP.

Any idea when?

I work for Vodafone - and as far as I know there are no short term plans for their Mobile Connect Card to be anything but PCMCIA

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 08:40 AM
I just don't know...

this time last week I was all giddy for one, but now that I see it...I just don't know. I guess I'll just keep this XP laptop for now, until it breaks or something...

mark88
May 16, 2006, 08:40 AM
I don't quite understand....

What can professionals do on a 12" powerbook that they can't do on a 13.3" Macbook?

I have a 12" and the 1024x768 res sucks balls, the screen is garbage compared to my ACD. It's slow as a snail too.

The only thing I would say is that the casing is bullet proof. It is, I agree dissapointing that the macbook casing won't be up to the same standard.

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 08:40 AM
Like the Sony laptops. Most PC laptops sport them now. Not sure I dig them really.
<3 Thinkpads

I really dislike the glossy screens.

ImAlwaysRight
May 16, 2006, 08:41 AM
Have to say, I'm dissapointed. I was waiting for a PowerBook 12" replacement, but these macbooks dont seem to (quite) fit the bill... Especially the integrated graphics and plastic case (no Aluminium?! liked that)
You've got to be kidding me. I wanted dedicated graphics, too, but integrated means longer battery life and less heat. Plus the X1600 in the MBP is down clocked anyway, I imagine just because of the heat. Put 2GB memory in the MacBook and integrated graphics really isn't that big of a deal, especially when you can get a 2.0GHz processor instead of a 1.66 that most folks thought.

Look at all the other features this retained of the PB line - screen spanning, DVI out, operate with book closed, digital audio capabilities -- IMHO this is a great step up from the iBook AND much better than the previous 1.5GHz PowerBook 12".

Case may be important to some. But have you ever used an iBook? I have, and actually thought it to be quite a nice little machine, white color and all. I'm pretty stoked over these new MacBooks.

OK, time to get some work done until I leave to go buy my new MacBook!!! :)

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:41 AM
Any idea when?

I work for Vodafone - and as far as I know there are no short term plans for their Mobile Connect Card to be anything but PCMCIA

I know no further details. I know it's not just apple that have moved to the new slot standard though. I'm fairly sure I've seen a Dell equipped this way too.

hob
May 16, 2006, 08:41 AM
What's with the lack of button on the front? How does that work??

Looks like they're replaces the clip with an iSight... Does it stay shut at all??

steve_hill4
May 16, 2006, 08:42 AM
Glossy screens are now an option for MacBook Pros. No extra cost.

I would still go with the regular satin matte.

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:42 AM
What's with the lack of button on the front? How does that work??


Magnetic init.

corywoolf
May 16, 2006, 08:43 AM
Thanks for finally posting this. Glad MacRumors was able to squeeze in this story in your busy schedule today.

Why wouldn't they post this? You must be new. :confused:

I still love my 1.83 Ghz MBP!

Elrond39
May 16, 2006, 08:43 AM
... But (how) does Apple check whether or not you're a student? I am, but I was curious how they check this. Do they require you to send them a copy of registration or something?

Loving it :) GarageBand here I come; the world had better be ready for Q-branch. And my first "digital EP": Undercover (a 5-song collection of covers).

shabbasuraj
May 16, 2006, 08:43 AM
NOW...

All that awaits is a Intel PowerMac....

This machine is the only one left sans Intel...

EXPECTATIONS ARE GONNA BE HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sharewaredemon
May 16, 2006, 08:43 AM
I was under the impression that the iBooks came with 512 RAM soldered in.

Am I mistaken?

the MacBooks come with two 256 DIMMs.

Can anyone comment on this?

BobMcBob
May 16, 2006, 08:43 AM
Now we have to wait and see if these have the same horrible heat and whine problems found in the MBP that Apple still hasn't fixed and continues to ignore.

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:43 AM
<3 Thinkpads

I really dislike the glossy screens.

I used to like the thinkpads but have heard stories of the new lenovo ones being a bit rubbish. How true that is I dunno.

jaxstate
May 16, 2006, 08:44 AM
deal maker right here

"Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors"

MattQiu
May 16, 2006, 08:44 AM
anyone know if Aperture can run on MacBook?

Grimace
May 16, 2006, 08:44 AM
add $50 = Upgrade middle (white) model from 60GB to 80GB hard drive.
add another $150 = same 80GB hard drive computer but in black.

:confused:

FriarTuck
May 16, 2006, 08:44 AM
Just a typo, but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating wildly as to what it could mean:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/twistinmelon/macbookdescript.jpg

bigfib
May 16, 2006, 08:46 AM
I like glossy screens... but I think Apple are going to cause another batch of unhappy punters by shipping with 512 MB.

But please remember people, 512 MB IS NOT ENOUGH.

Please don't let have loads of purchasers of 512 MB machines complaining that their machines are slow due to lack of ram... Learn from the mistakes of we arly adopters of the imac and macbook pro.

Peace
May 16, 2006, 08:46 AM
I was under the impression that the iBooks came with 512 RAM soldered in.

Am I mistaken?

the MacBooks come with two 256 DIMMs.

Can anyone comment on this?

you can now put two 1gig sticks in if you want..The memory is no longer soldered to the board.

Grimace
May 16, 2006, 08:46 AM
Check out the KEYBOARD!!

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/mb-isight-white-050906.jpg

chabig
May 16, 2006, 08:47 AM
Now don't flame me: They are gorgeous machines, and it is not my intent to whine (too much!) but is anyone else a little dissapointed that they weigh in at 5.2lbs? That is only a sliver less than the 15.4" MBP...and this has a 13" screen!!

Asus and others are putting better specs into 4.5lb machines...why shouldn't Apple be able to? :confused:
This machine weighs a bit more because it's built to be rugged and sturdy. If you compared the 4.5 pound machines and the MacBook side-by-side you would see and feel the difference. This machine can survive in a student's backpack.

Chris

jaxstate
May 16, 2006, 08:47 AM
I'm still worried about the intergrated graphics, i'll do a google search on it to find out more information

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 08:47 AM
anyone know if Aperture can run on MacBook?
SOmeone in another thread said that the mac mini could run it no problem, once you crached the program so it didn't do the hardware check. I'm sure the macbook will run it fine.

Boggle
May 16, 2006, 08:48 AM
I'll be ordering mine @ 1pm (I've got a nice hookup - Babysit the neighbor's Brood, dad is an Apple Store Mgr.) The best part is that I had just finished saving THIS MORNING, for an MBP (which is more computer than I need as a writer /editor). So now I can get a fully loaded White Macbook w/ a 20" Cinema Display for the house. And I just finished my last final! Damn, I am so excited if I threw myself @ the ground I'd probably miss. :D

P.S. I apologize for the 2 dozen or so doubting Thomas comments, and derivise remarks about the wildly inaccurate hypothesizing of many ppl here @ MR. If anybody has a good pic that applies to eating one's own words, feel free to paste it to me. :D

JRM PowerPod
May 16, 2006, 08:48 AM
Don't forget the xServes! They haven't been upgraded in what seems like years.

Sorry i forgot them, i wont be buying the next update regardless. hehe.

Diatribe
May 16, 2006, 08:48 AM
I can't believe they advertise that glossy screen as a feature and there is no way to get rid of it...:mad:
This update is probably one of the best Apple has ever done except that DAMN GLOSSY SCREEN.
You can't even use it in sunlight now... what's the damn point in haveing a portable then in the first place if you can't use it outside?

Argh. :mad:

freeny
May 16, 2006, 08:49 AM
The premium for the black one is taking the piss a bit though. Naughty naughty.
I think they threw that in just so you guys had something to bitch about:rolleyes:

I can't believe they advertise that glossy screen as a feature and there is no way to get rid of it...:mad:
This update is probably one of the best Apple has ever done except that DAMN GLOSSY SCREEN.
You can't even use it in sunlight now... what's the damn point in haveing a portable then in the first place if you can't use it outside?

Argh. :mad:
Just like you get better contrast on glossy paper, you also get a better picture on a glossy screen. The downside of that is of course reflections. Its a win-lose feature.

Atlasland
May 16, 2006, 08:49 AM
$400 for 20GB and super drive is too much.

lokey
May 16, 2006, 08:49 AM
Great update, or should I say replacement for the iBook line. Overall I'm pleased with everything and I don't mind the integrated graphics all that much. I was hoping for a less expensive model however. My iBook G3 just bit the dust and I was looking to replace it with something inexpensive. I already have an iMac Core Duo and I don't need that power, just something I can lug around and browse the internet, etc.

Maybe I'll wait a while and pick up a refurb model for under $899.

amac4me
May 16, 2006, 08:50 AM
am I missing something, or is there nothing drastic that seperates the macbook from the macbook pro?

Well, the main differences are the integrated graphics and the lack of a ExpressCard/34 slot in the MacBook.

Otherwise, the MacBook price points look great. These things are gonna be hot sellers.

chabig
May 16, 2006, 08:50 AM
am I missing something, or is there nothing drastic that seperates the macbook from the macbook pro?
Screen size doesn't count?

Chris

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 08:51 AM
I used to like the thinkpads but have heard stories of the new lenovo ones being a bit rubbish. How true that is I dunno.
Well I know for a fact the new T60 and X60 are very close to if not equal to the old IBM machines. As for the Z series, I haven't had the chance to actually use them, but I've heard good things.

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 08:51 AM
Great update, or should I say replacement for the iBook line. Overall I'm pleased with everything and I don't mind the integrated graphics all that much. I was hoping for a less expensive model however. My iBook G3 just bit the dust and I was looking to replace it with something inexpensive. I already have an iMac Core Duo and I don't need that power, just something I can lug around and browse the internet, etc.

Maybe I'll wait a while and pick up a refurb model for under $899.
If they're made my Asus, don't expect many of them.

christophhro
May 16, 2006, 08:51 AM
The MPBs have an integrated mic for use in iChat.

Didn't find it in the MB's specs... Is it missing?

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:51 AM
Just a typo, but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating wildly as to what it could mean:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/twistinmelon/macbookdescript.jpg


Bluetooth iPod with stereo BT headphones just around the corner then.

JeffTL
May 16, 2006, 08:52 AM
I'll have to see how the glossy screen is before I can make up my opinion ... but I've seen enough people with Sony Vaios getting massive glare in lecture halls to be suspicious.

Audio in and clamshell mode are definitely nice touches, though.

ImAlwaysRight
May 16, 2006, 08:52 AM
$400 for 20GB and super drive is too much.
Um, you also get a faster processor and premium ($150) black color.

I'm buying one of these just for the sexy little box. Anyone want the MacBook?

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/mb-box-white-050906.jpg

emotion
May 16, 2006, 08:53 AM
Well I know for a fact the new T60 and X60 are very close to if not equal to the old IBM machines. As for the Z series, I haven't had the chance to actually use them, but I've heard good things.

That's good to hear. Especially when Apple ships MacOSX for every PC :)

gedto
May 16, 2006, 08:54 AM
I like glossy screens... but I think Apple are going to cause another batch of unhappy punters by shipping with 512 MB.

But please remember people, 512 MB IS NOT ENOUGH.

Please don't let have loads of purchasers of 512 MB machines complaining that their machines are slow due to lack of ram... Learn from the mistakes of we arly adopters of the imac and macbook pro.

512 are the minimum for the basic configuration. But I think that's good enough for many many users. Therefore I'm glad Apple chose to leave it that way instead of making me pay for extra RAM I might not need... and at the Apple price.

I think it is much better to leave it at 512 MB and let the people buy the RAM whenever and wherever they want. Kudos to Apple for getting away with the soldered RAM thing, now I can stick two 1GB RAM DIMM's in here. :)

jaxstate
May 16, 2006, 08:54 AM
Nice updates, but charging a premium for a color isn't right.
Um, you also get a faster processor and premium ($150) black color.

BenG
May 16, 2006, 08:54 AM
Too expensive compared to other notebooks on the marked. And all models with integrated graficcard. Not even a X1400 model.

MacBook Pro: 1 step forward
MacBook: 2 steps back

That's what I expected:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/29/asus-w7v-4-2-pound-core-duo-laptop/

:(

You mean the ones that start at $2000 (http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/12/asus-launches-core-duo-powered-w7j-ultraportable/)?

chabig
May 16, 2006, 08:55 AM
I was under the impression that the iBooks came with 512 RAM soldered in.

Am I mistaken?

the MacBooks come with two 256 DIMMs.

Can anyone comment on this?
Sure. I can.

sunfast
May 16, 2006, 08:55 AM
The bottom end mini (i.e. Core Solo) looks really quite lame now.

chabig
May 16, 2006, 08:56 AM
Just a typo, but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating wildly as to what it could mean:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/twistinmelon/macbookdescript.jpg
:confused:

Diatribe
May 16, 2006, 08:57 AM
Just like you get better contrast on glossy paper, you also get a better picture on a glossy screen. The downside of that is of course reflections. Its a win-lose feature.

Which is exactly why this should be optional. I know at least two people for whom this will be a deal breaker.
I hope Apple at least continues to offer choice for the MacBooks because if not this might be my last Apple portable. :eek:

mac-since-199o
May 16, 2006, 08:58 AM
Why oh why did I get that MBP two months ago.
I need a stupid hat please.

Evangelion
May 16, 2006, 08:58 AM
am I missing something, or is there nothing drastic that seperates the macbook from the macbook pro?

Features found in MBP not found in the MacBook:

- Expresscard
- Backlit keyboard
- Dedicated video-card
- All-aluminium construction
- Bigger screens with higher resolution

Multimedia
May 16, 2006, 08:59 AM
You've got to be kidding me. I wanted dedicated graphics, too, but integrated means longer battery life and less heat. Plus the X1600 in the MBP is down clocked anyway, I imagine just because of the heat. Put 2GB memory in the MacBook and integrated graphics really isn't that big of a deal, especially when you can get a 2.0GHz processor instead of a 1.66 that most folks thought.

Look at all the other features this retained of the PB line - screen spanning, DVI out, operate with book closed, digital audio capabilities -- IMHO this is a great step up from the iBook AND much better than the previous 1.5GHz PowerBook 12".

Case may be important to some. But have you ever used an iBook? I have, and actually thought it to be quite a nice little machine, white color and all. I'm pretty stoked over these new MacBooks.

OK, time to get some work done until I leave to go buy my new MacBook!!! :)I Agree With You Completely ImAlwaysRight - New MacBook Is An Enhanced 12" PB Replacement. I love it although I wish it were Merom inside. But then you knew that. :pWhy oh why did I get that MBP two months ago. I need a stupid hat please.Ain't that the truth! :) I imagine a lot of 15" MBP owners are asking themselves the same question this morning. Boy that new 24-hour a day store in Manhatten is gonna be swamped this weekend. What a hit this will be.

filterban
May 16, 2006, 09:00 AM
The MPBs have an integrated mic for use in iChat.

Didn't find it in the MB's specs... Is it missing?

No. That's the iSight.

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 09:00 AM
The MPBs have an integrated mic for use in iChat.

Didn't find it in the MB's specs... Is it missing?
Whoa...That would blow if it is missing!

sevenmiles
May 16, 2006, 09:00 AM
I hope the family is not really complete. No 13" mac book pro? I know some people who will be very disappointed. The graphics capabilities of the macbook are just a little weak for many professionals...

"Professional" is the key word. It's called a MacBook (sans "pro"). I think this is Apple keeping to the old "grid." Simply put, the MacBook isn't aimed at pros. Scan through the MacBook pages on Apples site and you'll see and read things like watching DVDs in bed, sharing hotel internet with friends, family trips, etc.

If one wants to use the MacBook for a professional solution, go for it. But that's not why Apple made it.

Bubbasteve
May 16, 2006, 09:00 AM
:confused:
I think he's hinting at the infamous "iPhone"....is it just me or does Apple have new iWeb themes out? http://www.apple.com/macbook/ilife.html

joshwest
May 16, 2006, 09:01 AM
Nah.....Apple has done this in the past with the iMac's....people will pay don't worry :p


who want's to bet, next they will release black and white iMac's with optional screen. Those options would be nice.

filterban
May 16, 2006, 09:02 AM
The MPBs have an integrated mic for use in iChat.

Didn't find it in the MB's specs... Is it missing?

It's called the iSight! It's built in.

theonly
May 16, 2006, 09:02 AM
I was under the impression that the iBooks came with 512 RAM soldered in.

Am I mistaken?

the MacBooks come with two 256 DIMMs.

Can anyone comment on this?

This is because the memory should be installed in matching pairs to take advantage of the added bandwidth dual-channel access provides, especially for integrated graphics machines.

This isn't to say there's any dramatic difference when you don't install matching pairs, of course. Barefeats showed only one test where the results were notably different (Quake 3), but the results were dramatically different in that test. http://barefeats.com/mincd.html

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 09:02 AM
I think he's hinting at the infamous "iPhone"....is it just me or does Apple have new iWeb themes out? http://www.apple.com/macbook/ilife.html
Or apple is just saying you can transfer tunes from your mac to your cell via BT. I do it all the time already, it's nothing new.

shadowmoses
May 16, 2006, 09:03 AM
Why didnt they just put 1x 512mb and not 2x 256mb for the RAM in the base model, this is really annoying....

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7639/picture19vo.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture19vo.png)

SHadOW

Platform
May 16, 2006, 09:04 AM
anyone know if Aperture can run on MacBook?

Apple.com

Minimum System Requirements
One of the following Macintosh computers:
Power Mac G5 with a 1.8-gigahertz (GHz) or faster PowerPC G5 processor
iMac with 1.8GHz or faster PowerPC G5 or Intel Core Duo processor
MacBook Pro
15- or 17-inch PowerBook G4 with a 1.25GHz or faster PowerPC G4 processor
Mac OS X version 10.4.6 “Tiger” (or later)
1GB of RAM
Display with 1280-by-854 (or higher) resolution
One of the following graphics cards:
ATI Radeon X600 Pro or X600 XT
ATI Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition
ATI Radeon X850 XT
ATI Radeon X1600
ATI Radeon 9800 XT or 9800 Pro
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
ATI Radeon 9600, 9600 XT, 9600 Pro, or 9650
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 or 9600
ATI Mobility X1600
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE or 6600
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL or 6800 GT DDL
NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500
5GB of disk space for application, sample projects, and tutorial
DVD drive for installation

So no, don't think so with that GPU ;)

mrgreen4242
May 16, 2006, 09:05 AM
I'll wait for some reviews, but this is probably my next computer... I'd like to see some reveiws on HD video playback (I expect it should be flawless... but, hey never hurts to be sure), and on minimal 3D gaming... not expecting Doom 3, but I'd like to see how it shores up against the 9200/32mb in my mini (I suppose I could find some benchmarks for the new Intel minis and it'd be the same).

My only gripe is the forced CPU upgrade to get a SD. WTF. I don't NEED dual 2ghz cores. I don't even need dual 1.8ghz cores. A 1.6ghz Core Duo would have been fine with me, but I do need a SuperDrive. Lame.

Anyways, I'll hold out for a refurb, most likely, unless I get a great offer on my mini setup. :)

Ripmax2000
May 16, 2006, 09:05 AM
Don't know if someone has mentioned this already, but they all ship with 2x256MB RAM :( So if you want to upgrade RAM yourself without paying Apple's prices then you have to take out 256 to put in any more.
Not very happy about that!!

Platform
May 16, 2006, 09:06 AM
Why didnt they just put 1x 512mb and not 2x 256mb for the RAM in the base model, this is really annoying....

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7639/picture19vo.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture19vo.png)

SHadOW

I know...they properly get a cheap deal with the old 256MB sticks or something.

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 09:06 AM
Features found in MBP not found in the MacBook:

- Expresscard
- Backlit keyboard
- Dedicated video-card
- All-aluminium construction
- Bigger screens with higher resolution
Features found in iBook not found in the MacBook:

-Dedicated video-card
-Matte (non-glossy) screen
-Built in mic

christophhro
May 16, 2006, 09:06 AM
It's called the iSight! It's built in.

I don't think so, then it would be mentioned in the specs, like in the MBP one's...

mark88
May 16, 2006, 09:07 AM
I think people will change their minds when they see glossy screens in the flesh. Sonys X-Black screen rock.

I've never been able to use a matte screen laptop out in the sun, never!

dr_lha
May 16, 2006, 09:07 AM
Remember folks, despite Apple upgrading a lot of the specs to make the Macbook much more of a mid-way notebook that could adequately replace the 12" Powerbook, it is still placed as the entry level laptop. If you want to game and you want a Mac, then you really should be going for a MacBook Pro. Those won't have integrated graphics anytime soon.
As a 12" PB owner I can say the issue is not just the specs but the size and weight. As a replacement for the iBook this is awesome, but I really want a small, light laptop to replace the 12" PB. As a road warrior I don't consider 1lb more weight to carry around as an "upgrade" or "replacement"

What a really want is a ultraportable Mac, ~3lb, no optical drive and 11-12" screen. I'm willing to pay a premium for this as well. Please Apple!

sunfast
May 16, 2006, 09:07 AM
I think he's hinting at the infamous "iPhone"....is it just me or does Apple have new iWeb themes out? http://www.apple.com/macbook/ilife.html

iWeb 1.1 just came out

Core Trio
May 16, 2006, 09:08 AM
From Apples Hot News - "up to five times faster than the iBook and up to four times faster than the 12-inch PowerBook. Together with the 15-and 17-inch MacBook Pros, the new MacBook completes Apple’s Intel-based portables lineup and replaces both the iBook and the 12-inch PowerBook. [May 16, 2006]"

It doesnt look as though there are plans to insert any other replacement for the 12 in powerbook, these three are filling the gap on their own I guess.

But that doesnt rule out an even lower entry level subnotebook, so...let me be the first to say,

"MacBook Nano's next tuesday!"

m-dogg
May 16, 2006, 09:08 AM
that is my thing, it only has an 80GB HDD as extra on it from what i can tell.

Why isn 't the black iPods more if the black macbook is more

I think the question you should be asking is:

"Why does the black MacBook cost more when the black iPod doesn't?" They shouldn't put a premium on a color.

Personally, if they were going to make one model cost more, I would have preferred they wrapped it in aluminum as a real 12" PB replacement.

steve_hill4
May 16, 2006, 09:09 AM
Check out the KEYBOARD!!

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/mb-isight-white-050906.jpg
Same as the Sony FE series it appears. I guess those ex-Sony designers are showing their worth.

longsilver
May 16, 2006, 09:09 AM
Why didnt they just put 1x 512mb and not 2x 256mb for the RAM in the base model, this is really annoying....

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7639/picture19vo.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture19vo.png)

SHadOW

I'm no techie, but I thought RAM worked better when blocks are used in pairs (so a pair of 256Mb blocks will work better then a single block of 512Mb).

Why? I have no idea. Would any tech like to enlighten us? :)

Butler Trumpet
May 16, 2006, 09:09 AM
Looks like you can get a glossy screen option on the MacBook Pro now also.... or was that always there?

zweigand
May 16, 2006, 09:09 AM
I get the feeling they don't want the black version to become the new standard. I guess that is what Steve figures would happen so he's trying to curb the appetite a bit. Luckily I like the white one better anyway ...but then again I'm not currently looking for a laptop.

Ryan T.
May 16, 2006, 09:10 AM
Don't know if someone has mentioned this already, but they all ship with 2x256MB RAM :( So if you want to upgrade RAM yourself without paying Apple's prices then you have to take out 256 to put in any more.
Not very happy about that!!
That's likely because Apple wanted to ship in dual channel config.

emotion
May 16, 2006, 09:10 AM
I think people will change their minds when they see glossy screens in the flesh. Sonys X-Black screen rock.

I've never been able to use a matte screen laptop out in the sun, never!

The old apple screens (on my powerbook) were too dim when outside anyway.

I've just nipped across the office to check out an xbrite equipped sony and the display is impressive once you get used to the reflection.

dr_lha
May 16, 2006, 09:10 AM
Features found in iBook not found in the MacBook:
-Built in mic
What's the dimple/hole to the left of the IR port then? I assumed it was the Mic.

iHeartTheApple
May 16, 2006, 09:10 AM
Nicely done, Apple! :) A very nice assortment of lappies, indeed. I think that it's great that they've given us so many options now. I like the classic Apple White just as I always have, so the black one won't cause any temptation. :p Well played, Steve-O! :D

knicks20
May 16, 2006, 09:12 AM
What's the dimple/hole to the left of the IR port then? I assumed it was the Mic.

I'm pretty sure it has to be the Mic. I really don't think they would have iSight built-in and skip the Mic.

ImAlwaysRight
May 16, 2006, 09:12 AM
I Agree With You Completely ImAlwaysRight - New MacBook Is An Enhanced 12" PB Replacement. I love it although I wish it were Merom inside. But then you knew that. :p
Well, if we have socketed processors, then you CAN have Merom inside. ;) I doubt a socket in a 1" think MB, but with 5.5LB weight, just maybe!!!! I should know later this afternoon and will post picts.

thejadedmonkey
May 16, 2006, 09:12 AM
I think people will change their minds when they see glossy screens in the flesh. Sonys X-Black screen rock.

I've never been able to use a matte screen laptop out in the sun, never!
Wait, can you use a glossy screen outside?

lekun
May 16, 2006, 09:13 AM
Judging by the Bluetooth specs graphic posted a few pages ago, and the lack of a built in mic, Apple plans on making or marketing a wireless headset. A lack of mic is kinda lame considering the iSight is built-in.

Platform
May 16, 2006, 09:13 AM
Features found in iBook not found in the MacBook:

-Dedicated video-card
-Matte (non-glossy) screen
-Built in mic

The GPU in the MacBook is just as good combined with the added CPU power

The screen is an answer to market requests

Mic, I think the iSight has a mic...how else would you do iChats?....just look at each other...has to be a mic somewhere.

freeny
May 16, 2006, 09:13 AM
And of course the stock drops....:rolleyes:

mosegaard
May 16, 2006, 09:14 AM
No microphone?

emotion
May 16, 2006, 09:14 AM
Judging by the Bluetooth specs graphic posted a few pages ago, and the lack of a built in mic, Apple plans on making or marketing a wireless headset. A lack of mic is kinda lame considering the iSight is built-in.

Kind of but a headset is better for echo cancellation when using vid conf type apps.

Chundles
May 16, 2006, 09:14 AM
Judging by the Bluetooth specs graphic posted a few pages ago, and the lack of a built in mic, Apple plans on making or marketing a wireless headset. A lack of mic is kinda lame considering the iSight is built-in.

It does have a built in mic. There are two dots next to the iSight, one is a light indicating if the camera is on or off, the other is a hole for the mic. It's the same as for the iMac.

dr_lha
May 16, 2006, 09:15 AM
And of course the stock drops....:rolleyes:
I imagine due to the Creative lawsuit.

MacAficionado
May 16, 2006, 09:15 AM
edit

APPLENEWBIE
May 16, 2006, 09:16 AM
:o Last week I posted this: I was just called by Apple sales person, following up on an order. I asked when? He said he couldn't tell me, and did not know, but did say that on the 16th there will be announced a major product.....And he said my guess about what that might be was the same as his guess.....


[/B][/B][/I][/B][/B][/I]Ask and ye shall receive.....:o

Multimedia
May 16, 2006, 09:16 AM
Features found in iBook not found in the MacBook:
-Dedicated video-card
-Matte (non-glossy) screen
-Built in micI think that little hole to the left of the iSight Camera is the microphone. To the right of the camera is the green light indicating the camera is on. Unfortunately someone forgot to include this information anywhere on the iSight and Specifications pages. :(

freeny
May 16, 2006, 09:17 AM
I imagine due to the Creative lawsuit.
They might not be all that creative, but their lawsuit certainly is:rolleyes:

brap
May 16, 2006, 09:17 AM
Wow. £704 education price, delivered. DVI. Audio in/out.

Even with the stupid name, integrated video and x86 architecture, this is great value. Really, great value, considering the similarly-spec'd Asus/MSI alternatives. This (white, 1.83GHz) is my next upgrade.

Serious kudos to Apple for making me eat my words, and making dual core mobile computing affordable.

emotion
May 16, 2006, 09:19 AM
Wow. £704 education price, delivered. DVI. Audio in/out.

Even with the stupid name, integrated video and x86 architecture, this is great value. Really, great value, considering the similarly-spec'd Asus/MSI alternatives. This (white, 1.83GHz) is my next upgrade.

Serious kudos to Apple for making me eat my words, and making dual core mobile computing affordable.

If you go to the individuals institution edu store the base price is £643

kahos
May 16, 2006, 09:21 AM
Dammit the black model is so sexy... a shame I would need to pay an extra 350$ to get that color since I have no need for the higher specs... :(

iCaffeine
May 16, 2006, 09:22 AM
wow, woke up this morning to some crappy weather, but the release of MacBook totally changed my day! :)

Elrond39
May 16, 2006, 09:23 AM
Loving it :) GarageBand here I come; the world had better be ready for Q-branch. And my first "digital EP": Undercover (a 5-song collection of covers).

Upping the RAM to 1GB, and HDD to 100...

zap2
May 16, 2006, 09:23 AM
The bottom end mini (i.e. Core Solo) looks really quite lame now.


But its not i mean it speed is similar to a Sinlge G5 which was fast enought in that day:D

Core Trio
May 16, 2006, 09:24 AM
And of course the stock drops....:rolleyes:

Id imagine the stock dropped due to the lawsuit with Creative, and it'll go back up once Apple wins it ofcourse. News of the MacBook hasnt hit CNNMoney yet, once it does (and everyone else) Im sure the stock will stabilize before closing...


...i sure hope so b/c right now its at the price i purchased it at :(

MacAficionado
May 16, 2006, 09:24 AM
That black one, they might as well call it the SpankBook!!!

Sweet!!!


And something that I ahve not seen mentioned. From the Specs:

"Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors"

Multimedia
May 16, 2006, 09:26 AM
I'm no techie, but I thought RAM worked better when blocks are used in pairs (so a pair of 256Mb blocks will work better then a single block of 512Mb).

Why? I have no idea. Would any tech like to enlighten us? :)Technically yes, but not significantly. Barefeats did some tests and found only a 4% difference at best. The good news is you really want 2GB inside and a pair of two 1GB sticks from Omni via Ramseeker (http://www.ramseeker.com/) are only $144. :)

NOTE: You must search for MacBook Pro ram from pop-up menu at top then click on the Omni Technologies™ Optival® PRICE of $71.99 to get the link to Omni where you will be invited to buy at that price. Any other path to there will cost you more - a lot more. :D

ready2switch
May 16, 2006, 09:26 AM
On the topic of price points, I did a comparison of the new MacBooks with Dell (the most comparable I could find anyway) and the new high end black MacBook is nearly $500 cheaper than the Dell. I included XP Pro, the full warranty (as well as apple care on the MacBook), and a 3-year sub to virus protection (because face it, it's needed). The white MacBook of the same spec is over $600 less than the Dell.

My point. You may be paying a premium for black, but you're still getting an amazing deal when you look at the big picture. Check it out for yourself.

Dell Inspiron E1405 v. Apple MacBook

AlBDamned
May 16, 2006, 09:26 AM
Dunno why but I think this release is way more exciting than the MBP. Maybe something to do with the new(ish) form factor.

When it comes to it, the MacBook is actually a far more sensible upgrade for me than a MBP and it would have to be in black. :)

netdog
May 16, 2006, 09:27 AM
Couldn't wait for the Merom.

Tommyg117
May 16, 2006, 09:27 AM
This really is a beautiful piece of hardware. I have a powerbook and I'm even a little jealous about that black 2ghz model.

style
May 16, 2006, 09:30 AM
6 hours of battery isn't that great
and it is even more heavy than the iBook ! (2.36kg :O)

check this out, 15hours of battery life and 1.27kg, beat that !
http://dynamism.com/t5/specs.shtml

so disappointed....

I am so impressed. Fantastic price point. I am so going to buy one.

Cool points:

- Now supports DVI (that means Cinema Display!)
- Now has closed-lid mode.
- Gigabit Ethernet.
- Digital audio in & audio out.
- Ligher and slimmer than the iBookG4 14''.
- Way better resolution.
- Glossy display (WOW)
- Core Duo 1.83!!!
- Black model - so cool
- Gorgeous price
- 6 hour battery life
- 2 DIMMS instead of soldered memory
- Ships in 1-5 days! :D
- No latch (WOW)
- FrontRow+iSight+MagSafe
- Be-a-u-ti-ful design.
- Keeps FireWire
- New, firmer keyboard
- Bigger trackpad

Only bad spots:

- No dedicated graphic card as extra
- No superdrive in the lower model (expected)

I want one. I want one. I want one!