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jsw
May 28, 2006, 08:44 AM
The horror. (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/28/jolie.pitt.newbaby.reut/index.html)

No pictures, so it's "work safe", but still... that poor kid is never going to have a chance at a normal life.



skunk
May 28, 2006, 08:46 AM
The horror. (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/28/jolie.pitt.newbaby.reut/index.html)

No pictures, so it's "work safe", but still... that poor kid is never going to have a chance at a normal life.What is a normal life?

jsw
May 28, 2006, 08:49 AM
What is a normal life?
I guess I'd define "normal" as owning a few Macs, spending a lot of time on MR, discussing trivial events with an international community... you know, I guess the kid could be normal after all.

bigandy
May 28, 2006, 08:51 AM
What is a normal life?

one where you get to go through childhood without papparazi shooting you every 0.035 seconds, where you get to take a ***** without having to read about it in the National Enquirer the next morning, and so on... :rolleyes:

sushi
May 28, 2006, 08:51 AM
What is a normal life?
Good question.

Bet you could get as many answers as their are posters on MR! ;)

Thomas Veil
May 28, 2006, 09:02 AM
"World's ugliest"??

Now that's not nice. http://users.adelphia.net/~tjveil/images/yeahright.gif

mcarnes
May 28, 2006, 11:50 AM
Watch out Brad, slingblade is coming for you -- mmhmm.

w_parietti22
May 28, 2006, 02:23 PM
What is a normal life?

I would define a normal life as:

- a constant home

- being taken care of by your own parents or adoptive parents; not people hired to do it.

- people love you for the person you are; not the money and fame that you have.

- learning how to make money for yourself; not having it handed to you.

- Not having people watch and talk about every single move you make.

- Not having who your dating announced to the entire world.


This girl is probably going to be cutting by 10, drinking and smoking by 13, and pregnant by 16.

Dagless
May 28, 2006, 05:54 PM
"World's Most Beautiful Family"

People magazine? CNN?

I pity you americans :(

Queso
May 28, 2006, 06:16 PM
They ought to keep a base in Namibia or South Africa. Despite the crime rate, the kid will probably have a more grounded upbringing there.

And she will be better at Rugby :cool:

Johnny Rico
May 28, 2006, 06:28 PM
People magazine? CNN?

I pity you americans :(
If you live in an english speaking country populated by mostly caucasians, you are also an american. Welcome to the world.

Lau
May 28, 2006, 06:30 PM
People magazine? CNN?

I pity you americans :(

Yeah, cause Heat magazine in the UK is full of integrity and worthy articles....

skunk
May 28, 2006, 06:37 PM
People magazine? CNN?

I pity you americans :(Yeah. You have to make do with Brangelina instead of Posh and Becks...
Tragic.

macgeek2005
May 28, 2006, 06:44 PM
The horror. (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/28/jolie.pitt.newbaby.reut/index.html)

No pictures, so it's "work safe", but still... that poor kid is never going to have a chance at a normal life.

The horror? What are you talking about?

It's a baby. And theres no picture. How do you know he's ugly?

jsw
May 28, 2006, 06:46 PM
The horror? What are you talking about?

It's a baby. And theres no picture. How do you know he's ugly?
Ummm... it's Brad and Angelina's baby. The title wasn't intended to be serious.

Boggle
May 28, 2006, 07:17 PM
I would define a normal life as:

- a constant home

- being taken care of by your own parents or adoptive parents; not people hired to do it.

- people love you for the person you are; not the money and fame that you have.

- learning how to make money for yourself; not having it handed to you.

- Not having people watch and talk about every single move you make.

- Not having who your dating announced to the entire world.


This girl is probably going to be cutting by 10, drinking and smoking by 13, and pregnant by 16.


It's really nice how optomistic you are about others. Perhaps not forcasting how crappy an individual a baby will become, all the horrible life decisions she is going to make, and how terrible her parents will be at raising the her; all on the day she's born, are also supposed to be part of that "normal life" you were going on about?

dmw007
May 28, 2006, 11:33 PM
I guess I'd define "normal" as owning a few Macs, spending a lot of time on MR, discussing trivial events with an international community... you know, I guess the kid could be normal after all.


Sounds just like my definition of "normal" jsw. ;) :)

Unorthodox
May 29, 2006, 11:39 AM
I guess I'd define "normal" as owning a few Macs, spending a lot of time on MR, discussing trivial events with an international community... you know, I guess the kid could be normal after all.
Darn. All my life I tried to be abnormal....
And now your telling me Im normal.
*sob*
Now Im going to have to be wicked weird!

Unorthodox
May 29, 2006, 12:36 PM
Someone finally got a pictures of the baby.
Picture (http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9512/gorilla_meat/chimp_baby.jpg)
I think she's adorable.

Caitlyn
May 29, 2006, 01:05 PM
Hahaha! Any celebrity baby I feel bad for. They will NEVER have a normal life unless they change their name and move to like Syberia. And even then...the paparazzi would follow.

floriflee
May 29, 2006, 01:38 PM
I was hoping that someone here would have like one of those composite age-progression applications where we could see what she would look like in about 20 years. :D

nbs2
May 29, 2006, 02:13 PM
It's really nice how optomistic you are about others. Perhaps not forcasting how crappy an individual a baby will become, all the horrible life decisions she is going to make, and how terrible her parents will be at raising the her; all on the day she's born, are also supposed to be part of that "normal life" you were going on about?
There really want's a comment on how her parents will raise her. But, the six points are all going to be tough to get. Unfortunately, while I don't think people have become bigger celebrity worshipers than before, their addiction is fed more easily. Between the internet and the various magazines, it will be tough (makes me long for the heyday of made up stories in the National Inquirer) for the girl to avoid cameras. And, I suspect decisions will be difficult for her to make - being egged on by the public and the media will probably encourage even more outlandish behavior. I'll even put money on a very well distributed sex tape within 6 months of 18. Tragic? Yes. Her fault? Yes, but not as much as dealing with what I expect to be fairly absent parents and an intrusive public/media.

solvs
May 29, 2006, 08:19 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12994702/

Gavin and Gwen had a kid too, but I guess it isn't as big of a deal.

floriflee
May 29, 2006, 08:31 PM
Gavin's a babe, but he and Gwen as a couple just don't have the same level of hype as Brangelina--not to mention a campy nickname. :rolleyes:

redAPPLE
May 30, 2006, 02:21 AM
- learning how to make money for yourself; not having it handed to you.



hey. i would not mind money being handed to me at all. not one second.

redAPPLE
May 30, 2006, 02:22 AM
Someone finally got a pictures of the baby.
Picture (http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9512/gorilla_meat/chimp_baby.jpg)
I think she's adorable.

i thought that was michael jackson's baby pic? :D

The Mad Kiwi
May 30, 2006, 02:35 AM
I would define a normal life as:

- a constant home

- being taken care of by your own parents or adoptive parents; not people hired to do it.

- people love you for the person you are; not the money and fame that you have.

- learning how to make money for yourself; not having it handed to you.

- Not having people watch and talk about every single move you make.

- Not having who your dating announced to the entire world.


This girl is probably going to be cutting by 10, drinking and smoking by 13, and pregnant by 16.

So you define a "normal life" as one where you never move location, don't have childcare, preschool, or school either, where your financial needs as a child aren't taken care of, and when you do get married you do it in secret. Not to mention that nobody cares about anything you do or say.


Sounds more like the life of a crack child to me.

w_parietti22
May 30, 2006, 02:49 AM
So you define a "normal life" as one where you never move location, don't have childcare, preschool, or school either, where your financial needs as a child aren't taken care of, and when you do get married you do it in secret. Not to mention that nobody cares about anything you do or say.


Sounds more like the life of a crack child to me.


I think you might have just slightly misunderstood what I meant.

1.) never move location? how did you get that? I meant that your not moving nightly, etc.

2.) I meant by being risen by your own parents was that they are there for you not parents that you only see on the weekend and are you are taken care of by nannies the rest of the week.

3.) By making money for yourself I meant, saving up for your own car, etc. Not that you have to make enough money to pay for food, school, housing, etc.

4.) And I meant that you don't have EVERYONE knowing, not just the people that you actually know.


Gees, no offense, but I think you took my post a little to extreme.

virividox
May 30, 2006, 04:31 AM
hmm i wasnt anticipating any birth haha

Abstract
May 30, 2006, 04:47 AM
Imagine the horror if the baby grew up and ended up being really ugly, or even average looking --- with parents who look like that? She's gonna have to be good looking, no?

lurcher
May 30, 2006, 06:24 AM
Let's hope for the baby's sake they stay together. can't imagine it tho, him and JA were much better suited. These celebs tend to have brief marriages in general.

Queso
May 30, 2006, 06:40 AM
Imagine the horror if the baby grew up and ended up being really ugly, or even average looking --- with parents who look like that? She's gonna have to be good looking, no?

Joan Rivers made a very good point about celebrity children. After attending the birth of her grandchild, the doctor turned to her and said "She has your nose". Joan replied "How can she? I didn't have this nose until I was 26."

Having beautiful parents in Hollywood doesn't guarantee anything. A lot of the beauty doesn't come from genetics.

However, the child's going to have a lot of money to go sort anything she doesn't like. She'll be beautiful eventually, whatever nature gives her.

XIII
May 30, 2006, 06:50 AM
Yeah, cause Heat magazine in the UK is full of integrity and worthy articles....

WTF? OMG i cant believe you sed dat! heet is like wel gud!!1!

lurcher
May 30, 2006, 06:57 AM
WTF? OMG i cant believe you sed dat! heet is like wel gud!!1!
:eek: Please tell me you were either:
1. joking when yo said that or
2. drunk as a skunk

please!

Shamus
May 30, 2006, 08:17 AM
Imagine the horror if the baby grew up and ended up being really ugly, or even average looking --- with parents who look like that? She's gonna have to be good looking, no?

I bet she's feeling the pressure already. :) ;)

skunk
May 30, 2006, 08:20 AM
:eek: Please tell me you were either:
1. joking when yo said that or
2. drunk as a skunkOi! Less of that! Some of us skunks are sober.

XIII
May 30, 2006, 08:43 AM
:eek: Please tell me you were either:
1. joking when yo said that or
2. drunk as a skunk

please!

1. :p

Sorry for any confusion skunk. :p

Mr. Durden
May 30, 2006, 09:42 PM
People magazine? CNN?

I pity you americans :(


WTF? Oh yeah. You people dont have celebrities or beautiful people over there (oh wait... yeah I'm pretty sure), nor do your news agencies cover anything but the most important and crucial world wide news events. What a putz.

garybUK
Jun 3, 2006, 09:16 PM
WTF? Oh yeah. You people dont have celebrities or beautiful people over there (oh wait... yeah I'm pretty sure), nor do your news agencies cover anything but the most important and crucial world wide news events. What a putz.

No need to get nasty! There's a reason why none of the US news agencies are trusted for objective news!

Boggle
Jun 3, 2006, 10:34 PM
There really want's a comment on how her parents will raise her. But, the six points are all going to be tough to get. Unfortunately, while I don't think people have become bigger celebrity worshipers than before, their addiction is fed more easily. Between the internet and the various magazines, it will be tough (makes me long for the heyday of made up stories in the National Inquirer) for the girl to avoid cameras. And, I suspect decisions will be difficult for her to make - being egged on by the public and the media will probably encourage even more outlandish behavior. I'll even put money on a very well distributed sex tape within 6 months of 18. Tragic? Yes. Her fault? Yes, but not as much as dealing with what I expect to be fairly absent parents and an intrusive public/media.

(omg, I can't believe I'm defending the behavior of Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie) I agree that getting stable factors of the "typical" life experience is going to be very challenging.

But I do think it was about parenting. The nanny vs. actual parents comment certainly was. The learning how to earn money vs. being given it was. These are things that we don't know how Brad and Angelina will handle, and it assumes they will be handled differently (and implying worse) than the average parent.

I also think that the rationalization that the child will make bad decisions 12-18 years from today b/c you assume a camera will be watching the kid the whole time, is A HUGE assumption. Perhaps they won't live in hollywood? Perhaps they'll commute from elsewhere? These ppl did go all the way to Africa to have the baby, based on this I'd say, they're going to actively attempt to minimize the camera factor.

The real FACT is, we (macrumors site members) don't know much of anything about the parenting skills of even 3% of the "celebrity" parents. We only know what gets reported, and that's almost always the worst of what is happening. The day is only 24 hrs long and if we were really informed about the life of the typical "celebrity" child, we'd have to stay up for a whole month just to watch 2 hrs worth of coverage for each of the famous kids living the L.A. area.

It could be an over-generous impulse but I'm inlcined to not predict the child will be screw-up fom day 1

floriflee
Jun 3, 2006, 10:44 PM
I have a hard time believing the kid will not have a harder time remaining grounded for two reasons:

1. Lindsay Lohan
2. Paris Hilton

How their parents think their crazy antics are normal and okay is beyond me. Personally, I would have dragged Paris out of the limelight long ago and knocked some sense into her if I'd been her mother but her mother (and Lindsay's mother) just goes along with it. Those two examples (and I'm sure there are more, but those are the two that come to mind right away, are the ones that make me believe that celebrity children definitely have a harder time remaining grounded. Perhaps Angelina's United Nations work will help with that. Time will tell.

jsw
Jun 3, 2006, 10:49 PM
On the other hand, lots of children of celebrities are just fine - look at Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, for example; their kids seem OK. Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn? Same thing.

Certainly many are messed up, but celebrity itself doesn't guarantee a screwed up kid. And, in the cases quoted above, those are celebrity children, as opposed to simply children of celebrities. And, of course, lots of celebrity children turn out OK too.

Of course, money and fame make it easier to get corrupted and easier for us to know about it, but it doesn't force it to happen.

floriflee
Jun 3, 2006, 11:00 PM
On the other hand, lots of children of celebrities are just fine - look at Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, for example; their kids seem OK. Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn? Same thing.

Certainly many are messed up, but celebrity itself doesn't guarantee a screwed up kid. And, in the cases quoted above, those are celebrity children, as opposed to simply children of celebrities. And, of course, lots of celebrity children turn out OK too.

Of course, money and fame make it easier to get corrupted and easier for us to know about it, but it doesn't force it to happen.

You make some good points. A lot of it obviously depends on how set the celebrity parents are with making sure their children are raised well and have a good foundation in reality. I'm sure some of it has to do with how they were raised, or if they themselves have had to struggle during their lives. Still, I'd say it's harder for them to not get corrupted when all they ever know are nannies and the parents' credit cards. Like I said, time will tell. I have some hope for their baby girl just because of all the humanitarian work she's done in Africa. I think that will help them want to keep things in a good perspective.

Pistol Pete
Jun 4, 2006, 01:20 AM
People magazine? CNN?

I pity you americans :(


haha yah i wish it wasnt so bad...