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MacRumors
Feb 20, 2003, 12:02 PM
Rumor (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@79.IMGOa6FvhAV.4@.3bbf8919) posted on Apple's discussion forum:


An employee at my local Apple store told me that Apple is going to quietly discontiue the Emac. He said that they are no longer making the Emac. Only the ones currently in inventory will be available for purchasing. The reputation of the machine has been tarnished due to all of the display problems. Look for a new model to replace the Emac soon.



davy the bunny
Feb 20, 2003, 12:11 PM
really? cool, now my computer will be even more worthless!

TMA
Feb 20, 2003, 12:12 PM
That would be a shame if its true, I quite like the eMac and it is a good mac (with a good price) for educational institutes. Though if Apple can come up with something even better I'm not complaining :)

vanillamike
Feb 20, 2003, 12:20 PM
Then my computer will become the next cube someday :p

All kidding aside I am not sure how much I believe they will faze out the eMac. The display problems (and I have had them as well) seem to have been fixed by replacing the ivad cable. In my program, Graphic Design, it has been recommended that we buy the eMac for color matching. I figure if there is widespread acceptance at schools like mine across the board this product must have been at least moderately successful. If they do faze it out, I wonder what they will replace it with.

However, it would make sense that they are fazing it out since they didn't get speed bumps or any new bells and whistles when the iMacs were ugraded, just a price drop.

Mike

davy the bunny
Feb 20, 2003, 12:23 PM
you know, this may be a dumb question, but if they do discontinue the eMac does anyone think that there is any chance in hades that Apple will eventually release a low priced desktop without a monitor included? Since I really don't think that there is a chance, can someone please tell me why Apple won't release a low cost consumer desktop without all of the power of the PowerMac. I'd really like to know the reasons why. . .

GPTurismo
Feb 20, 2003, 12:36 PM
Are they going to discontiune the eMac line or the current models?

smashedapart
Feb 20, 2003, 12:37 PM
Ok, great, now I'm nervous.

My wife's new eMac just arrived at our doorstep not even 20 minutes ago. Just how wide-spread are these display issues?

MacWhispers
Feb 20, 2003, 12:41 PM
For what it's worth, I just verified that Elitegroup is quite merrily running one shift per day of production on eMacs, and has no indication that this pace will change.

This rumor needs moved to "Page 3." It's 100% fiction.

davy the bunny
Feb 20, 2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by smashedapart
Ok, great, now I'm nervous.

My wife's new eMac just arrived at our doorstep not even 20 minutes ago. Just how wide-spread are these display issues?

The chances that your display will just completely go out are pretty low. . . the chances that you will have the wavy lines may be a little higher but the chances that you'll have a healthy and perfectly fine eMac are much much better.

MacWhispers
Feb 20, 2003, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by smashedapart
Ok, great, now I'm nervous.

My wife's new eMac just arrived at our doorstep not even 20 minutes ago. Just how wide-spread are these display issues?

Checking quickly with contacts at SmallDog, MacAuthority, and two Apple retail stores, I have found out that the problem (A) was widespread, but (B) was fixed in all eMacs produced after about the 2nd week of December. Thus, any eMac purchased now from a reasonably high volume reseller should be just fine. You can check the build date for your eMac to be sure it was made after mid-December. If so, it's good to go.

Even if it's an earlier build, and has the screen problem, it's covered under warranty.

Hope this helps.

michaelyoung
Feb 20, 2003, 01:02 PM
I think those who post rumors that originate in Apple Retail Stores should be flogged. I mean what does an employee at an Apple store really have access to. Not much. They _may_ know something the day before when they get a box but other than that, nothing. Thats like saying the guy at 7-11 has the inside scoop on the winning lottery numbers.

Puh-lease.

Centris 650
Feb 20, 2003, 01:13 PM
Could he be mistaken? Looprumors.com (http://looprumors.com/) is posting that the iMac Classic (Snow) will be discontinued.

I can't see the eMac being discontinued since 1) has an attractive price and 2) Is geared for the educational market. I really can't imagine that Apple would discontinue a product for a market and not replace it quickly.

Bear
Feb 20, 2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Centris 650
Could he be mistaken? Looprumors.com (http://looprumors.com/) is posting that the iMac Classic (Snow) will be discontinued.

I can't see the eMac being discontinued since 1) has an attractive price and 2) Is geared for the educational market. I really can't imagine that Apple would discontinue a product for a market and not replace it quickly.
This makes much more sense - I can see the iMac CRT going away before I can see the eMac going away. In somw ways I'm surprised it hasn't gone away already.

rainman::|:|
Feb 20, 2003, 01:23 PM
the emac, unfortunately, isn't going away. the snow iMac will probably depart in the next month or two, i think...

pnw

davy the bunny
Feb 20, 2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
the emac, unfortunately, isn't going away. the snow iMac will probably depart in the next month or two, i think...

pnw

Why is it unfortunate that it's not going away? Why would you want this machine to go away?

FelixDerKater
Feb 20, 2003, 01:31 PM
The eMac is one of those in-between products like the Cube, which deosn't really fit. We have G3 iMacs, G4 iMacs, and high-end PowerMacs. There isn't much more that you could need.

smashedapart
Feb 20, 2003, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the info guys. You rock. :)

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but, looprumors.com has a tidbit up about the snow iMac being axed soon, and even goes to say that "Apple is said to make the transition [to an all-LCD lineup] complete by late summer."

seamuskrat
Feb 20, 2003, 01:39 PM
I have done some digging though education channels. As I work for a university, and I am an authorized purchasing agent, here is what I found.

eMac in all configs are listed as available for purchase with a 2 to 3 week time.

The G3 iMac is not even on my store. I click on it, and I get taken to the eMac.

Conclusions:
Could be in for an eMac update of some minor sort, hence the delay. And the G3 mac seems destined for the history books.

Plus, Apple DID say that no OS 9 bootable Macs would be sold in 2003. That has got to mean that the G3 iMac is on the way out.

PLUS
There was not a significant cost savings between a G3 iMac and an G4 eMac with so much more. Andin the case of my university, the 'bulk' cost of units makes the FP iMac the biggest seller. In fact, we buy 5 iMacs for every eMac and ZERO iMacs. And our cost for an G3 iMac at education retail is MORE than out discounted FP iMac cost in 100 unit lots (although I am sure the G3 would be cheaper in 100 unit lots).

For what its worth.....

MOM
Feb 20, 2003, 01:51 PM
It would be nice if Apple would replace the G3 iMac with a monitor-less (think ibook without the screen) CPU for a very cheap price. There is a thread on the "iCheap" at Mac-in-touch that reflects many peoples wishes for such a unit. I think schools with old and donated CRTs would love a very cheap solution to get new Macs on their tables.

seamuskrat
Feb 20, 2003, 01:52 PM
Some more thoughts:
Without discounts the cheapest eMac for education is:
$849.00
700MHz
PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-ROM drive
No Modem

Amazingly, many schools are snapping these up even with the anemic 128 megs of RAM. Remember most schools STILL purchase Macs for OS 9.
A more usable options is this:
$949.00
700MHz
PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM40GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
56K internal modem
Discounted from $999 retail price

Still anemic in the RAM and not acceptable for OS X IMO.
When for this price most education instituions can get the iMac for : (in fact its often LESS for universities than this price even)
$999.00

15-inch LCD flat screen
800MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
32MB DDR video memory
256MB SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
56K V.92 internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers
AirPort Ready
Bluetooth Optional

Discounted from $1,299 retail price

This increases speed, doubles ram, increases harddrive, for not too much more. As I said the price point in bulk is even smaller.

So, either Apple has realized most schools using X go with the iMac or they have decided the eMac does not really fir the bill in its current incarnation and needs a refresh of sorts.
I think that is more likely. iMacs can be too fragile for touch classrooms while the eMac is a workhorse in these environs.

Hopefully we will see a quiet refresh of the eMac with speed, RAM, and a lower cost. But the need is still present for a sturdy under 1K machine.

by eliminating the G3 and the lower power G4 they elimnate any excuses to keep 9 in schools. I know of one major CA university thattakes new G4s and erases X and installes 9 over it. Ugg.

Jaykay
Feb 20, 2003, 02:05 PM
At the moment it seems that Apple cant really afford to get rid of the eMac because of their falling market share in the education sector. Well unless they bring out something new, but i doubt that really.

And also the fact that microsoft poured a lot of money worth of software into that market recently.. this is not the greatest time.

Edit : Interesting points are made though in the post above.

Dont Hurt Me
Feb 20, 2003, 02:24 PM
I think the emac was a quick solution to the fact that Lcd prices did not fall as apple expected and even increased hence them raising the imac price when they first came out. Now it seems they are falling and if this continues then what purpose does a emac hold? look at the imacs right now, all they have to do is keep on dropping the price. Steve did say the crt was dead and notice the classic imac and the emac have not been updated. Classic will be gone soon( though ill allways miss it ) emac will be gone by the end of this year? cheaper Lcd imacs to come and the 970 on the horizon. Now how about a super cube?

vanillamike
Feb 20, 2003, 02:39 PM
Wow everyone seem really down on the eMac. I love my eMac, it looks cool, the speakers sound good, the display despite the one time raster shift problem is quite striking. Flat pannels are nice, but I still like CRTs. If I had a pro tower I would probably still buy a CRT, especially in my field.

Mike

pantagruel
Feb 20, 2003, 02:42 PM
I think they should "revamp" the emac and make it available once again to only the education field.
Bring out a new dektop that would fill the "cheaper" market under the iMac.

davy the bunny
Feb 20, 2003, 03:05 PM
Like vanillamike, I also love my eMac and I don't understand why everyone is so down on it.

MacFan25
Feb 20, 2003, 03:26 PM
I think that the eMac is a nice computer, but if Apple is going to replace it with a better computer, then they might as well do it.

dricci
Feb 20, 2003, 03:43 PM
Unless Apple can make a 17" 1280x960 LCD iMac for $999, then the eMac better stay. Just because you don't think it "fits" doesn't mean it's not useful. Not everybody wants to have their only "entry" option being $1,299 and only getitng a 15" 1024x768 display. If Apple wants switchers, the $999 pricepoint eMac must stay.

Except for the initial display problems, I love my eMac. Great resolution, great picture (better than the LCDs, and a flat tube). I just wish they could get the noise down a bit and include the stand by default.

If you don't like it, don't by it. It's that simple ;)

davy the bunny
Feb 20, 2003, 03:52 PM
the above post is exactly right

Dont Hurt Me
Feb 20, 2003, 04:04 PM
Im not down on the emac( heck my monitor is still basically the same as the one in the emac ) i just happen to have a powermac connected to it. I think the Emac is a fine consumer machine as long as you are not a hard core gamer. Now with that said we know LCD's increased in price, we know that Motobutt(Motorola)was stagnated for the longest and probably still are. The emac was made because of these problems apple faced and was probably a runner up design to the new imac. So when Lcds went up, Motorola went nowhere again, Apple needed a cheaper unit to sell with the stagnated g4. Hence the EMAC all this education crap was just hype and marketing to my eyes. Now with Lcd's dropping, 970 coming we hope soon, and even faster g4's( if you can stomach that, still dont take anything from motorola with more then a grain of salt) where does this leave the emac? I think on the way out. Keep the low end lcd imac 800 and keep dropping the price. They need to have a cheapo imac version at $999 and then some better units scaling up. ANYWAYS THATS MY ARGUMENT. enjoy your emac!

Centris 650
Feb 20, 2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by dricci
Unless Apple can make a 17" 1280x960 LCD iMac for $999, then the eMac better stay. Just because you don't think it "fits" doesn't mean it's not useful. Not everybody wants to have their only "entry" option being $1,299 and only getitng a 15" 1024x768 display. If Apple wants switchers, the $999 pricepoint eMac must stay.

Except for the initial display problems, I love my eMac. Great resolution, great picture (better than the LCDs, and a flat tube). I just wish they could get the noise down a bit and include the stand by default.

If you don't like it, don't by it. It's that simple ;)

Back in December I was looking to buy a new mac. I was torn between the iMac FP 800 and the eMac 800. I thought that the eMac was a better buy. Unfortunately I still haven't bought a new Mac :rolleyes: Soon...very soon.

backspinner
Feb 20, 2003, 05:02 PM
my sister in law also likes here emac. it's just the right machine for people with children! it strong, fast en has a clear display. the imac is to fragile.

Dont Hurt Me
Feb 20, 2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by backspinner
my sister in law also likes here emac. it's just the right machine for people with children! it strong, fast en has a clear display. the imac is to fragile. Maybe,Maybe not, that arm is anything but fragile and i think its just a illusion when you go to move it but since i dont own one yet. Love the design and want one but iam still looking for a machine that will smoke doom3 when it comes so ill just keep waiting and hoping apple will make it faster & faster & faster, but if they keep with motorola we will be waiting and waiting and waiting.

MacWhispers
Feb 20, 2003, 06:02 PM
Interesting that so many here seem displeased wiht the eMac.

If it were not for the existence of this machine, two people I have converted from Wintel to Mac the past year would still be frustrated by their Windows based machines. There's never been a Mac so easy to defend on features, quality, and performance as is the eMac. I think some here forget how skimpy, and ugly, and misbegotten the expanse of Wintel machines beneath $1000 really are.

I steered one friend toward a (then) $849 refurb from the Apple site, and my sister-in-law to a $749.00 refurb eMac, just a couple of weeks ago. Both are first-time Mac users, after a few years of puttering around (baffled) on cheap Windows boxes. They both are totally blown away by the quality experince they're havign wiht their eMacs. (coupled, of course, with my attentive, personal coaching... :-) )

For the record, I like the eMac line as a keeper for Apple.

Dont Hurt Me
Feb 20, 2003, 06:17 PM
What ever apple does it must have a inexpensive line to bring in the new users or ones who cant afford the higher machines. I think they should have a line that can be mass marketed at your wallmarts.kmarts etc for folks who dont have a apple store in their city or state for that matter( South Carolina- beam me up Scotty!) untill they do that then they better be happy with 5 per cent market share! The EMAC is a solid machine, pro speakers built in OSX,17"CRT etc. On the other hand i think they could have a base imac LCD for around the same price if they wanted to. My first machine was a Performa that i bought at Wall mart 10 years ago and it was like $1200.00 so what wrong with the classic at say 600 bucks?Maybe Emac for 700- 800??? Apples whole business philosophy is screwy when it comes to models and makes and i think we wouldnt allways be debating this if this was not true! You think they would just want to sell computers rather then 1 line stepping on the toes of another.I like the Emac but still think of it as a temporary fix to the bind of LCD's prices and Motobutts dragging along.

boobers
Feb 20, 2003, 08:31 PM
This concept is worthy but apple also NEEDS a CHEAP, EXPANDIBLE machine..consumers are price sensitive. They are also worried about shelling out a ****load of cash for a machine that can't be upgraded easily. Consumers are more aware of planned obsolescence than Apple give them credit for. Its really sad that Apple doesn't make a machine that you can't pop a new CPU in. It really is.

rjrufo
Feb 20, 2003, 08:38 PM
I was reading another thread where someone suggested putting in a TV tuner in the CRT iMac, along with a CF card reader and sell it at Wal-Mart.
Well, I'd like to expand the idea a little further. Take the eMac, put in a TV tuner and DVR, a CF card reader, DVD-R/CD-RW, and AM/FM Sereo tuner, and sell the whole contraption at Target next to the iPod.
Apple has iDVD, iMovie, iPhoto and iTunes. The above components can work seemlessly with iLife. Include Safari and AppleWorks, set the price at $999 and maybe include a photo printer. Then call it something like Digital iLifeStyle.

Centris 650
Feb 20, 2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I think they should have a line that can be mass marketed at your wallmarts.kmarts etc for folks who dont have a apple store in their city or state for that matter( South Carolina- beam me up Scotty!)

Make that two Mr. Scott! Man, I'd really like to have an Apple Store in SC. Back on topic though, the eMac is a great machine. I was impressed with it when it came out. It was cheap and fast G4 and it rivaled the iMac. I really think it needs to be upgraded in the not so distant future to keep it viable and attractive Mac.

awulf
Feb 21, 2003, 11:00 AM
The only computer which will replace the current eMac's are faster eMac's. The eMac is a too valuble computer for Apple. Our School bought one SuperDrive eMac, and now plans to buy a whole heap more of the lower end eMac's. The iMac's are too expensive, it's not all-in-one (the speakers are external, the eMac is super strong, it's way too big and heavy for any one to steel.

Also many home users buy the eMac because it is cheaper and easier, and offers more than the previous G4 iMac's.

The price drops are due to the fact that Apple can afford it, since they made so many, to make it more attractive. We will see new eMac's soon, I don't think the price drop counts as a product cycle like it is stated on the 'Buyers Guide' page.

'E' is for 'Education'
and now 'E' is for 'Everyone'

Dont Hurt Me
Feb 21, 2003, 12:20 PM
awulf does make a good argument for emacs and schools, they are big and heavy! Still think Apple should bring back the cube with a little more features it was the coolest computer they ever made it just needed a pci slot and faster cpu.

rmac
Feb 21, 2003, 04:35 PM
Some of these points have been made already, but the CRT gets you:

1) Higher resolution than the 15" iMac.
2) Better color accuracy (for design).
3) More physical display area too (no, the 15" does not, as advertised, provide the same area as a 17" CRT...1" is a big difference at these sizes)
4) Flexability in using lower resolutions than max without drop in quality.

Seems to me that LCDs are all about the cool factor. For desktops, what does the small footprint honestly get you? More deskspace? You're screen will still be as close as a CRT would, so the extra space is behind the monitor, not in front....not a huge help IMO. Besides that, viewing angle, color accuracy, etc. are all factors trying to catch up to CRTs.

I'm all for the eMac...it's a great deal for many people out there. Just wish it had seen updates with the iMac.

DavPeanut
Feb 21, 2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by seamuskrat
I am an authorized purchasing agent.
How much are G4 iMacs? How much are Xserves? How much all the rest of the products? You guys get them near cost, and it would be nice to know what kind of Profits Apple gets.

DakotaGuy
Feb 21, 2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by boobers
This concept is worthy but apple also NEEDS a CHEAP, EXPANDIBLE machine..consumers are price sensitive. They are also worried about shelling out a ****load of cash for a machine that can't be upgraded easily. Consumers are more aware of planned obsolescence than Apple give them credit for. Its really sad that Apple doesn't make a machine that you can't pop a new CPU in. It really is.

The Mac began life in 1984 as an all-in-one machine and over the years Apple has had the best luck in marketing all-in-one consumer machines. Expandible machines are a great idea and Apple does offer these. They are called the POWERMAC line. Today you have a choice between an iMac 1Ghz or a PowerMac 1Ghz. One is expandable and geared more to semi-pros and one is aimed at the consumer wanting a good easy all-in-one solution. All-in-one is a concept that only Apple has really been able to master. I would tell them to stick their course on this. Believe it or not, there are people like me that want their computer to look nice and clean. I have this thing about wires and cables all over the place.

DakotaGuy
Feb 21, 2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
awulf does make a good argument for emacs and schools, they are big and heavy! Still think Apple should bring back the cube with a little more features it was the coolest computer they ever made it just needed a pci slot and faster cpu.

Let me see here...discontinue products like the iMac and eMac that have been good solid sellers and come back with a Cube which turned out to be a flop last time around...I don't understand this.

Hey I am not bashing the Cube, I thought it was a cool concept, but I am guessing the new FP iMac was Apple's recreation of the Cube and I would wager to bet anyone that it has been MUCH more successful from a sales and marketing standpoint.

bennetsaysargh
Feb 21, 2003, 07:36 PM
the eMac looks like a CRT iMac dropped a few times with a G4 chip and better graphics card. i would have no problem with the eMac going away. i want it to go away. plus, all of the schools around me still have almost all graphite iMacs and even (i'm pretty sure) rev a. iMacs.
keep the iMac CRT
get rid of the eMacs
and BRING BACK THE CUBE!!!!

Seminal
Feb 22, 2003, 02:30 AM
Sure! $1800+ for a 17" iMac. Let's see what we can get for the other $900: get an iPod or 2, or use it towards an iBook.

How about an eMac and an iBook for a little over 2K. That's a little more "bang for the buck" than the cute iMac.

Besides, I think a big, round backside is kind of sexy in a computer.

elensil
Feb 22, 2003, 11:47 AM
I was considering the eMac myself, what steered me away is its utter inability to upgrade. It would be a fine machine NOW, but what about a year or two from now? Of course maybe that is a lifespan of an eMac. Sell it and buy a new one after 2 years?

DakotaGuy
Feb 22, 2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by elensil

Sell it and buy a new one after 2 years?

Like it or not, that has always been the point of Apple's consumer "i" and "e" Macs. They are an all-in-one solution that are designed to be replaced when outdated to the point they are no longer realistically usable. Maybe it sounds like a scam, but it is a great marketing strategy.

Believe it or not, most consumers in a market for a computer like this will not worry about upgrading, but will simply replace the machine after a few years.

job
Feb 22, 2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
Believe it or not, most consumers in a market for a computer like this will not worry about upgrading, but will simply replace the machine after a few years.

I hear that.

I'm planning on buying a tower later on in the year. My old-ish iMac DV will go to my mother. When the iMac was purchased our family never gave upgrading any though. We needed a new, fast machine at a certain price range. We've had it now for almost 4 years with no problems to speak of. It's time for an upgrade.

vanillamike
Feb 22, 2003, 03:36 PM
I am in the same place, I bought an eMac to get me through my 3 year Graphic Design Program. When I get out I will buy a pro tower most likely. If I start my own business like I plan I will lease so I don't have to worry about replacing my computer and I can write it off as a business expense :)

Mike

Xapplimatic
Feb 24, 2003, 11:55 AM
I noticed that the original rumor link this thread was generated over has been removed by Apple.. Evidence of its truth? :) I too am just not impressed by eMac.. the IVAD issue and all, it's not very popular on campus, but way more than the LCD iMacs (we have none of them, the purchasers won't buy them for some reason). The G3 iMacs were way more popular (they actually fit our tiny desks and were veiwed as cheaper and durable).. I wish Apple would resume normal G3 style iMac production with just adding a G4 and maybe a cool case redesign that doesn't look bloated or gimmicky. Mostly only instructors are ordering eMacs for their personal offices.. None are getting ordered for the computer labs, those have all gone Dell because Dell is "cheaper".. forget the high failure rate on the Dells (purchasing agents can be so dumb about up-front and end-result pricing differences)..

MacFan25
Feb 24, 2003, 05:25 PM
Maybe Apple will quit selling the CRT iMac and eMac at the same time. Then, maybe they will come out with a brand new G4 CRT entry-level mac.

barhnt
Mar 1, 2003, 06:44 PM
that would be a true shame. I have an Imac, Ibook, and an EMac. Have not had any issues with any of them. The Emac is a great machine in my classroom in ever aspect. I would hate to see them discontinue them. Although i would love to see what they would come up with to replace it.

Stelliform
Mar 1, 2003, 10:29 PM
The eMac fills an important niche. A G4 Mac below 1000 with monitor. My clients are picking them up for workstations. We love them. They are well powered and cheap. (the refurbs sometimes dip to $750) You really can't beat it.