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medea
Feb 21, 2003, 10:02 PM
http://www.emagic.de/products/ls/platinum/index.php?lang=EN
Emagic has announced that it is now shipping Logic Platinum 6, the latest version of the company's professional audio production software. "Exactly four weeks after first being presented at NAMM in Los Angeles, delivery of Logic Platinum 6 to international distributors and specialist suppliers commenced today. The first update kits will be in store within the week."

springscansing
Feb 21, 2003, 11:46 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neeto, lol.

Time to ditch SX? Hm.

beatle888
Feb 22, 2003, 12:16 AM
is this a competitor of pro tools?

springscansing
Feb 22, 2003, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by beatle888
is this a competitor of pro tools?

Um.. yeah?

beatle888
Feb 22, 2003, 12:28 AM
um thanks dud.

springscansing
Feb 22, 2003, 12:59 AM
no problem :-)

seriously, logic is used in major studios, sometimes even with digi hardware.

beatle888
Feb 22, 2003, 01:06 AM
thanks, i suppose i should pick up a music
magazine and check out the software packages.

railthinner
Feb 22, 2003, 12:26 PM
Still waiting for digital performer.

jizzaay
Feb 22, 2003, 02:19 PM
"Still waiting for digital performer."

Me too, but with waveform editing in the arrange
window (the only thing that was missing in logic)
Logic 6 is pretty much "the killer app".
Hopefully dp4 will be out soon and stable. If not
motu will turn into a hardware only company.

cr2sh
Feb 22, 2003, 11:45 PM
Platinum? How about Silver or Gold?! Something that doesn't cost $600! Come on... :mad:
<edit>
My mistake! 5 is available.. I was unaware... (calls MusiciansFriend)

alset
Feb 23, 2003, 08:41 PM
Logic 6 may only be available in Platinum, initially, however, I remind everyone that PT 6 is not shipping in low-end versions with it's initial release.

As for finding info in magazines, I recommend an well written article reviewing Logic 6 in either Electronic Musician or EQ (I don't recall which). The article was in the latest issue.

Emagic/Logic fans may have noticed that Emagic has redesigned their web site. It's a cleaner approach, though not as easy to navigate, IMO.

Hooray for Logic 6!

Dan

ivtrk
Feb 23, 2003, 09:22 PM
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fourthtunz
Feb 23, 2003, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by springscansing
Um.. yeah?

Um...not really.
daniel

alset
Feb 24, 2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by ivtrk
What irks me is the new $999 price tag on Logic 6.0 Platinum (according to VersionTracker).

My friend is buying Logic 6 for $650. I believe he is getting it from Guitar Center, and they are matching a price he found online.

Dan

Nepenthe
Feb 24, 2003, 07:18 PM
Digidesign's Pro Tools LE/24 Mix/HD or whatever version you are looking at, and Emagic's Logic Audio are NOT direct competitors.

Pro Tools focuses on Audio recording&editing
Logic Audio focuses on MIDI

Pro Tools is widely recognized (although some hate to admit it) as the most powerful audio recording/editing and general sonic manipulation software package on market. Up until like, a year ago, Pro Tools didn't even posess MIDI capability. It has just recently been added, and it really blows (imho).

Logic Audio is arguably the most powerful MIDI sequencing software on the market. The name "Logic AUDIO" is quite deceptive because, by nature, the application handles no audio data at all -it has always posessed audio capabilities, although *realatively* basic compared to pro tools (the audio in Logic Audio is fine for simple audio RECORDING (not multitrack)). Logic Audio's audio HANDLING is great. Its audio editing works if that is all you have, but personally I prefer dedicated apps like Spark.

Most electronic music producers & MIDI users get outstanding results from using just Logic Audio for MIDI and audio. Pro recording studios, and audio-centric sound pros (whatever that means) usu. use a combination of Pro Tools and Logic Audio (that is what is normal, they also substitute Cubase or another Big MIDI app™ for Logic Audio on occasion...or use both)
Logic's direct competition is Cubase and Digital Performer
Protools' direct competition is... I don't remember right now, but there are a few out there.

In terms of MIDI ability/Audio ability
Pro Tools 2/10
Logic 10/4

Saying Pro Tools competes wif Logic is analagous to that commercial where a guy hooks his Chevy Tracker up to a stalled Semi. Or similar to comparing Sonic Foundry's Acid Pro and iMovie.

Not trying to be mouthy, 'just want to set the record straight.
-trev

nuckinfutz
Feb 25, 2003, 01:01 AM
Yeah that's correct. Many Producers use Logic as a front end for ProTools so they really share a symbiotic relationship. Logic has great integration with TDM.

Chris Adams
Feb 25, 2003, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by Nepenthe
Digidesign's Pro Tools LE/24 Mix/HD or whatever version you are looking at, and Emagic's Logic Audio are NOT direct competitors.

<snip>

Logic Audio is arguably the most powerful MIDI sequencing software on the market. The name "Logic AUDIO" is quite deceptive because, by nature, the application handles no audio data at all -it has always posessed audio capabilities, although *realatively* basic compared to pro tools (the audio in Logic Audio is fine for simple audio RECORDING (not multitrack)). Logic Audio's audio HANDLING is great. Its audio editing works if that is all you have, but personally I prefer dedicated apps like Spark.

In terms of MIDI ability/Audio ability
Pro Tools 2/10
Logic 10/4

Not trying to be mouthy, 'just want to set the record straight.
-trev

Likewise, but I have to disagree with you ... Logic Platinum has very sophisticated audio recording, editing, arranging, realtime processing, mixing and automation functions. Provided your hardware - computer and interface are up to the job, you can run large multitrack projects no problem from start to finish.

Of course, Logic is composition oriented and has extensive midi facilities, and an absolutely kick ass set of virtual instruments, including synths, samplers, vocoders and some top notch vintage modelled emulations - hammond, rhodes and clavinet.

There's no doubt that ProTools is a great piece of software, but if you want all round pro level flexibility your best bet is often to use Digidesign's hardware and let Logic be the front end (instead of ProTools).

Its worth noting that with version 5.0 thru 6.0 Logic has acquired some features that bring a "familiar" automation system, the marquee selection tool, project management, video playback from firewire drives, mp3 import/export *and* some great cpu management tools, which close the gap in areas where some ProTools users tended to shy away from using Logic.

http://www.emagic.de/products/ls/ls/index.php?lang=EN

..... if you want to know more

(and I would rescore Logic as 10/10 :-)

Cheers

Chris

alset
Feb 25, 2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Nepenthe
Digidesign's Pro Tools LE/24 Mix/HD or whatever version you are looking at, and Emagic's Logic Audio are NOT direct competitors.

Pro Tools focuses on Audio recording&editing
Logic Audio focuses on MIDI



Logic has strong audio features. MIDI may be it's claim to fame, but it has enjoyed improved audio handling over the years, and has been positioned for growth in the audio market. Thus, Logic is studied side-by-side with PT in the DAW courses at the recording school I attend.

Dan

fourthtunz
Feb 25, 2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by alset
studied side-by-side with PT in the DAW courses at the recording school I attend.

Dan

Yep, great software, but school is different than a pro studio.
But... now that Apple has it maybe they can develop some hardware to go with Logic?
Hey if it's better than Protools and its less money,I'm ready!!
daniel

alset
Feb 25, 2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by fourthtunz
Yep, great software, but school is different than a pro studio.

Depends on your needs. I have had great success using Logic to record a 5 piece band. It may not have all the features PT has, but it is absolutely a contender.

I also find the interface to be more useable.

Dan

andrewlandry
Feb 26, 2003, 12:13 AM
just wanted to inform those that weren't aware that you can get Logic Platinum 6 for $499 if you are a student. the student price is the same as the competitive upgrade price. also, logic 6 includes both os9 and os x versions. i'll probably pick it up soon as i'm still using logic 4.8. the emagic site says that you can get the student/competitive upgrade price from any authorized dealer if you call, but i thought i'd include a link to one that actually posts the price online. :)

http://www.prostudiomusic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PM&Product_Code=LGAPLT5ED

alset
Feb 26, 2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by andrewlandry
just wanted to inform those that weren't aware that you can get Logic Platinum 6 for $499 if you are a student.
http://www.prostudiomusic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PM&Product_Code=LGAPLT5ED

Thanks much! I will be checking for a student upgrade, now.

Dan

beatle888
Feb 26, 2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Nepenthe
Digidesign's Pro Tools LE/24 Mix/HD or whatever version you are looking at, and Emagic's Logic Audio are NOT direct competitors.

Pro Tools focuses on Audio recording&editing
Logic Audio focuses on MIDI

Pro Tools is widely recognized (although some hate to admit it) as the most powerful audio recording/editing and general sonic manipulation software package on market. Up until like, a year ago, Pro Tools didn't even posess MIDI capability. It has just recently been added, and it really blows (imho).

Logic Audio is arguably the most powerful MIDI sequencing software on the market. The name "Logic AUDIO" is quite deceptive because, by nature, the application handles no audio data at all -it has always posessed audio capabilities, although *realatively* basic compared to pro tools (the audio in Logic Audio is fine for simple audio RECORDING (not multitrack)). Logic Audio's audio HANDLING is great. Its audio editing works if that is all you have, but personally I prefer dedicated apps like Spark.

Most electronic music producers & MIDI users get outstanding results from using just Logic Audio for MIDI and audio. Pro recording studios, and audio-centric sound pros (whatever that means) usu. use a combination of Pro Tools and Logic Audio (that is what is normal, they also substitute Cubase or another Big MIDI app? for Logic Audio on occasion...or use both)
Logic's direct competition is Cubase and Digital Performer
Protools' direct competition is... I don't remember right now, but there are a few out there.

In terms of MIDI ability/Audio ability
Pro Tools 2/10
Logic 10/4

Saying Pro Tools competes wif Logic is analagous to that commercial where a guy hooks his Chevy Tracker up to a stalled Semi. Or similar to comparing Sonic Foundry's Acid Pro and iMovie.

Not trying to be mouthy, 'just want to set the record straight.
-trev


so you mean that i put up with springcleanings attitude for NOTHING :D

thank you Nepenthe, thats the best laydown of music software that i heard.

Chris Adams
Feb 27, 2003, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by beatle888
so you mean that i put up with springcleanings attitude for NOTHING :D

thank you Nepenthe, thats the best laydown of music software that i heard.

Indeed... its just a bit unfortunate that its seriously inaccurate.

Cheers

Chris

andrewlandry
Mar 2, 2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Chris Adams
Indeed... its just a bit unfortunate that its seriously inaccurate.

Cheers

Chris

Okay, what's so inaccurate about what he said? It's a little weak to just say something is inaccurate and not give one reason why. I think he gave a reasonably accurate assessment of the differences between ProTools and Logic. I think his numerical ratings of audio/midi capeablilities are a little exaggerated, but it's pretty much true.

If you have a differing opinion, then enlighten us.

Chris Adams
Mar 2, 2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by andrewlandry
Okay, what's so inaccurate about what he said? It's a little weak to just say something is inaccurate and not give one reason why. I think he gave a reasonably accurate assessment of the differences between ProTools and Logic. I think his numerical ratings of audio/midi capeablilities are a little exaggerated, but it's pretty much true.

If you have a differing opinion, then enlighten us.

Sorry, but if you read back a little in the thread, you'll see I answered the *original* post - not the one you quoted - a bit more concisely. If you do a quick browse around emagic.de and digidesign.com you'll see that in many respects, the features of ProTools and Logic are directly comparable. Indeed many ProTools owners actually choose Logic as their first choice front end for digidesign systems.

Ultimately your preference is likely to be based around relatively subtle differences between the two packages... If you're primary clients are musicians, Logic is the best choice... If its post pro, ProTools might be what to go for. Most likely if you serve both client groups you'll have a copy of both.

However, its worth adding that some of the new Logic 6.0 features really intensify the competition: dsp management tools, sophisticated project management, automatic system setup, direct playback of video from firewire drives to a video clip track, and encoding decoding of mp3's to name but a few.

So to sum it up, saying this:

"(the audio in Logic Audio is fine for simple audio RECORDING (not multitrack))"

....... is quite simply inaccurate - and if you care to check, easily verifiable as such;

www.digidesign.com
www.emagic.de

Cheers

Chris

Nepenthe
Mar 7, 2003, 07:07 PM
Personally, I know of few professional audio engineers who would do any multitrack recording on Logic Audio if they were intent on getting the best, most transparent sound possible. You can do multitrack recording on Logic, yes, but the recordings on Protools will always sound better (aspects such as individual skill in mixing and mastering aside).
No, I don't own stock in the company. But I do have a realatively decent knowledge of applications such as these. I am an electronic music producer by passion. I use Logic Audio every day for at least a few hours. Over time I have developed deep respect for Logic Audio because it is quite amazing, and is still at least 5 years ahead of its time. The ability to just drag an audio file from the desktop into the arrange window is delightful.
I have been in school for over two years now studying digital audio theory and audio recording/engineering. The school I attend is one of the few Digidesign certified Proschools in the nation. Now I'm not saying I have a damn PhD or that I'm a Nobel Prize recipient or anything to that effect. However, every day I am in the company of outstanding instructors who have forgotten more about audio than I will EVER know.
One of the few things they have managed to pass on to me is this:
The audio in Logic Audio does not sound as good as the audio in ProTools.
Crazy, huh? Well no, not really

_There is an AUDIBLE difference between the two applications_
That is the point I am focusing on. I'm not saying that your computer will crash if you record on more than one track.

-Emagic has their own digital audio encoding algorithm. It's not bad, but it needs a little work to be excellent (with the recent aquisition by Apple, hopes are high :) ).
-Digidesign also has their own, seperate digital audio encoding algorithm for ProTools... this algorithm is VERY GOOD. This algorithm is also VERY PROPRIETARY.

Those two statements are rather to-the-point and simplified. The real "meat" of the difference between the two apps contains much talk about the actual way the signal is "routed inside of the applications" so to speak. ProTools does it one way, Logic another (much to the aggrivation of an Emagic rep that I was able to talk to about this subject -a very tense, and high strung English gentleman whos response to the question was something like "BECAUSE THE BUGGERS WON'T DROP THE BLOODY ALGORITHM FROM THE MIXER!!" -don't quote me on that)
I've even heard people say that there is another difference between the two apps. Essentially, the digi interfaces and hardware are optimized for the ProTools algorithm. And that, until Emagic releases a good interface optimized for it's algorithm, the difference between the two apps will remain. -that theory makes sense, but isn't quite solid enough (or factual enough) for me to believe.

Let's just ignore all of the edit modes, and even the features like playlists which are SO convienent in ProTools.