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MacRumors
Feb 25, 2003, 12:01 PM
After a number of inaccurate predictions, MacWhispers (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000035.php) appears to be exiting the rumor scene:

Because of the seemingly unreliable system we have been using to generate "rumors" here, and the near-absence of accuracy from that system, we are stopping all efforts to analyze Apple supplier information, and to convert that information into product release predictions. As counterintuitive as it seems to say that the people building Apple's parts are not reliable information sources, that seems to be the case. So, we're leaving the rumor game, and are proclaiming our month-long experiment as now completed.



Flowbee
Feb 25, 2003, 12:15 PM
Yet another "quality" product from the Envestco team. :rolleyes:

yzedf
Feb 25, 2003, 12:17 PM
"We suck at guessing worse than most others. So, we quit!"

Whatever. They suck. Too bad LoopRumors and MacOSRumors don't follow suit :(

yzedf
Feb 25, 2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Flowbee
Yet another "quality" product from the Envestco team.

product?

Surely you jest!

Flowbee
Feb 25, 2003, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by yzedf
Whatever. They suck. Too bad LoopRumors and MacOSRumors don't follow suit :(

But without them, where would all the 'page 2' info come from?

mmanfrey
Feb 25, 2003, 12:26 PM
are we missing something here?

"The reality is simply that, even if we had videotaped evidence that, for instance, 50,000 new iPods were sitting in a California warehouse, ready to ship, that fact would not guarantee that Apple would choose to announce or ship them on any particular date. Without being privy to actual Apple Computer information, no amount of third-party information can reliably predict Apple's actions."


Are they saying they actually have that kind of info?

:confused:

unfaded
Feb 25, 2003, 12:41 PM
Yeah, they're saying it, and it's probably as accurate as the iPods they said were released today.

They're a bit better than MacOSRumors - MacOSRumors just makes everything up without a hint of sources, while these people seem to just have incredibly bad ones.

macktheknife
Feb 25, 2003, 12:43 PM
I think whatever Mr. Campbell's history (see the Mactables saga), the approach taken by MacWhispers did have its merits. Analyzing the activity of Apple's suppliers may indeed hint at what Apple is up to, but it does not guarantee that any information gleaned from such sources could be used to make accurate predictions about actual new products, let alone concrete release dates. Thus, I think we should applaud MacWhispers for at least trying.

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 12:58 PM
Also, at least MacWhispers revealed the nature of its sources. I have not found any other rumor site to do this. They usually post a rumor with no indication about its source. The rumors veracity is instantly questionable. For all we know they read the rumor on another board and reposted it.

For instance, I have seen several website post info about the alleged 15.4 inch new powerbook. Are there independant sources for this or are all the rumor site just republishing the MacWhisper rumor ( where I believe it showed up first )? If there are not independent source, then other sites should not poke fingers at MacWhispers for getting stuff wrong - they should be posting independant info only!

Bear
Feb 25, 2003, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
[B]Also, at least MacWhispers revealed the nature of its sources. I have not found any other rumor site to do this. They usually post a rumor with no indication about its source. The rumors veracity is instantly questionable. For all we know they read the rumor on another board and reposted it./B]
Just because someone "reveals" their source doesn't mean that they have a source.

The information and nature of the source could have been fabricated by the person making up the rumor.

If we were lucky all the runor sites with no sources other than other rumor siites would dry up and blow away.

primalman
Feb 25, 2003, 01:44 PM
Thanks god that idiot is going away....once more. ACK!

:D

MacWhispers
Feb 25, 2003, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by primalman
Thanks god that idiot is going away....once more. ACK!

:D

Actually, the idiot is not "going away."

I am stopping my effort to extrapolate specific product release predictions from the jumble of raw information I pick up from suppliers. Henceforth, I will just focus on publishing the information itself, and leave the crystal-ball work to my readers.

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Bear
Just because someone "reveals" their source doesn't mean that they have a source.


Yes, but the contrary of that "If someone does not reveal their source then they have one" is definitely not true.

When someone says: "I know a guy who knows a guy who knows someone that works at Apple." I take that with a small grain of salt.

But when someone says: " I spoke with the sales rep for Chi Mei today and they say they are supplying a panel..." then I rank that G2 as higher quality.

Unless its all a lie - and if it is then why are we wasting are $%$(% time one these sites!

In conclusion, I'd rather have someone tell me a source so I can do a common sense check than not - wouldn't you?

bigjohn
Feb 25, 2003, 02:50 PM
Is the prediction that MacWhispers is going away just another baseless prediction or do they have an inside source - someone who really knows what is up?

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 03:08 PM
My personal opinion.

I think MacWhisper's fatal flaw is that they equate speculation to rumor... and this is not the case.

arn

davy the bunny
Feb 25, 2003, 03:10 PM
well I personally don't like to see another rumors site go down. But that's just because I like to get as much "information" from as many "sources" as possible. In quotes because I know that both the "information" and the "sources" may be false, but at least I can use it to make my own guesses that serve my own personal wants, heh.

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by chazmox

In conclusion, I'd rather have someone tell me a source so I can do a common sense check than not - wouldn't you?

Problem is, if you have a "real" source... you can't identify them without risking their job.

You have to equate rumor sites as surrogates for their sources. If ThinkSecret mentions something... then you have to consider that they have "good" sources and should be given more credence.

If an unknown rumor site says "our sources say... blah blah blah" - you shouldn't put much value in it until they have a history that is proven correct.

arn

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 03:44 PM
Arn...

A source does not have to be mentioned by name, it could be described such as "A contact in Apple marketing..." or "a sales rep for a known LCD supplier.." without risking a job.

I work in product development and appreciated the way MacWhispers got their rumors. Supplier info made alot of sense.

In terms of known or unknown sites or predictable track records - I haven't seen anyone do that well. Each has a piece of the puzzle, but no one has it all. That's why some mention of sources would be very nice. If the source of a rumor is just the repeat of another site, then the info is only coming from one source and its veracity is lessoned.

Freg3000
Feb 25, 2003, 03:48 PM
I think MacRumors does the best job of seperating news, rumors, and speculation. There is a difference between a rumor and just plain speculation-and MacRumors understands that.

The reason they are #1. :)

JMHO

Le Big Mac
Feb 25, 2003, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by yzedf
Whatever. They suck. Too bad LoopRumors and MacOSRumors don't follow suit :(

Hasn't MacOSRumors basically died? They haven't posted anything new (true or otherwise) in more than two weeks. And the last posting before that was two weeks or so earlier than that. Is the operator on some kind of long vacation, or has he just given up?

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
Arn...

A source does not have to be mentioned by name, it could be described such as "A contact in Apple marketing..." or "a sales rep for a known LCD supplier.." without risking a job.


I disagree... "a contact in Apple marketing" would be far too much information.


I work in product development and appreciated the way MacWhispers got their rumors. Supplier info made alot of sense.


I agree... but they took it too far, and made it useless info because you couldn't distinguish rumor from speculation.

What supplier information have they provided that has proven accurate? Even before they add their "speculative" spin? I can't tell... which is why they are on Page 2.

Was the ChiMei 20.1" LCD the info they got, and they speculated that it would be a 1600x1200 $1799 display? You can't tell...

I've stated this before... but their "facts" (supplier information) are simply rumors. Their "rumors" are simply speculation.

arn

ps. As the webmaster here, I thought I should clarify... I have nothing against MacWhispers or Jack Campbell -- but I am critical of any new rumor sources/sites in general... because people do tend to believe whatever they read - regardless of source. As a result, bad information is downgraded and good information is upgraded. If Macwhispers had been posting correct info, I'd be plastering their site all over the front page. :)

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 05:27 PM
I agree - rumor and speculation need to be separate and distinguished.

Actually, on the 20.1 panel they predicted 1600x1024 (not 1600x1200) which was very close to the final 1680x1050 format.

But, I do figure that the price was entirely speculative - how would suppliers know what the end price would be?

Now, looking back at the 15.4 rumors - I see two sources: the Digitimes article and the MacWhispers source. I wonder if they are not indeed the same source ( MacWhispers got their info from the Digitimes article ).

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by chazmox

Now, looking back at the 15.4 rumors - I see two sources: the Digitimes article and the MacWhispers source. I wonder if they are not indeed the same source ( MacWhispers got their info from the Digitimes article ).

Perhaps...

ChiMei does make a 15.4" Notebook screen (scroll to the bottom)

http://www.cmo.com.tw/english/product-2.htm

at 1280x800. Production now. I just can't tell if Compal (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/01/09&pages=01&seq=1) gets their lcds from ChiMei.

arn

MacWhispers
Feb 25, 2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by arn
Was the ChiMei 20.1" LCD the info they got, and they speculated that it would be a 1600x1200 $1799 display? You can't tell...

Arn, that's exactly the reason for my decision today to shift the format of the site. Looking back at the past month, if I had ONLY published the slivers of data I picked up from supplier sources, and had NOT added my own extrapolation and speculation, the MacWhispers track record for accuracy would now stand at about 95%. As it is, it's the inverse of that.

The only "facts" I actually had in hand when I published the 20-inch Cinema Display piece were: the panel's manufacturer and model number, the precise 20.1" diagonal size, and that it was a 16:10 aspect ratio. I also had a rep in the Che Mei channel tell me the panel was "much less expensive" than competitive 20-inch range LCD's.

Instead of simply publishing that paragraph, untouched, I added my own "thinking" by guessing at the pixel resolution and the price. By doing that, I corrupted what should have been a truly nifty piece of detective work on my part... and moved MacWhispers from a Page 1 site back to a much-maligned Page 2 site.

I'm going back to doing what I am able to do with accuracy: recount fragments of information I pick up from the OEM/ODM supplier chain behind Apple's operations... and publishing it in bare form.

Maybe over the next few months I can get the MacWhispers batting average up to where it should have been all along.

medea
Feb 25, 2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
Arn, that's exactly the reason for my decision today to shift the format of the site. Looking back at the past month, if I had ONLY published the slivers of data I picked up from supplier sources, and had NOT added my own extrapolation and speculation, the MacWhispers track record for accuracy would now stand at about 95%. As it is, it's the inverse of that.

The only "facts" I actually had in hand when I published the 20-inch Cinema Display piece were: the panel's manufacturer and model number, the precise 20.1" diagonal size, and that it was a 16:10 aspect ratio. I also had a rep in the Che Mei channel tell me the panel was "much less expensive" than competitive 20-inch range LCD's.

Instead of simply publishing that paragraph, untouched, I added my own "thinking" by guessing at the pixel resolution and the price. By doing that, I corrupted what should have been a truly nifty piece of detective work on my part... and moved MacWhispers from a Page 1 site back to a much-maligned Page 2 site.

I'm going back to doing what I am able to do with accuracy: recount fragments of information I pick up from the OEM/ODM supplier chain behind Apple's operations... and publishing it in bare form.

Maybe over the next few months I can get the MacWhispers batting average up to where it should have been all along.

Maybe you should just keep the basic format you were using and just rename your site to MacAssumptions....

MacWhispers
Feb 25, 2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by medea
Maybe you should just keep the basic format you were using and just rename your site to MacAssumptions....

Actually, I just registered the domain for www.macguessingmysillyassoff.com

Like it?:)

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
Instead of simply publishing that paragraph, untouched, I added my own "thinking" by guessing at the pixel resolution and the price. By doing that, I corrupted what should have been a truly nifty piece of detective work on my part... and moved MacWhispers from a Page 1 site back to a much-maligned Page 2 site.



Hmm... I'm not sure how you expected to get it right by "guessing" :)



I'm going back to doing what I am able to do with accuracy: recount fragments of information I pick up from the OEM/ODM supplier chain behind Apple's operations... and publishing it in bare form.

Maybe over the next few months I can get the MacWhispers batting average up to where it should have been all along.

I welcome it...

arn

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Arn: Perhaps...

ChiMei does make a 15.4" Notebook screen (scroll to the bottom)

I have seen Chi Mei notebook LCD list; however, are you saying that it does or does not imply an Apple laptop???

With no other info, it is just a LCD panel on a price list... nothing more...

Jack, you have been forthcoming on the 20.1 inch panel ( but you can't divide - 1600/1024 = 1.56! ) what is the direct source of your info on the 15.4 inch laptop???

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
I have seen Chi Mei notebook LCD list; however, are you saying that it does or does not imply an Apple laptop???

With no other info, it is just a LCD panel on a price list... nothing more...


Right... That's why I mentioned "I just can't tell if Compal gets their lcds from ChiMe"

If Compal did get their LCDs from ChiMei, then it would corroborate the Digitimes article... which claims Compal is putting together the 15.4" Powerbook.

arn

zimv20
Feb 25, 2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
Actually, I just registered the domain for www.macguessingmysillyassoff.com


you didn't do it right. it's still available.

zimv20
Feb 25, 2003, 07:13 PM
:-)

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 07:25 PM
So what we have is...

A panel from Chi Mei electronics ( which of in itself tells us nothing )...

A questionable article from Digitimes...

And, and, nothing else???

I look at rumors as vectors, where the vectors intersect is where "truth" can be found. I see no intersection above...

If so the rumors of a 15.4 inch laptop are entirely smoke!

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by chazmox

I look at rumors as vectors, where the vectors intersect is where "truth" can be found. I see no intersection above...

If so the rumors of a 15.4 inch laptop are entirely smoke!

you got it.

arn

MacWhispers
Feb 25, 2003, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
If so the rumors of a 15.4 inch laptop are entirely smoke!

It's very intoxicating smoke, at that. With Apple's two key panel suppliers both popping up with 15.4" notebook screens, just as a complete redeisgn of the PowerBook is expected, it is heady stuff. It was compelling enough to have me misinterpret what was, at best, skimpy information I had last month about a few manufacturing details, and "assume" the 15.4" Chi Mei panel was slated for the new mid-size Powerbook. I've since cleared my head, gone back through all the data, and have reached the same conclusion as you: it's smoke.

I haven't dug up a soul in the Chi Mei channel who will connect the shipping panels to the new Powerbook. And, nobody among my LG-Philips contacts will even hint that their panel is slated for a Powerbook. And, nobody else makes a widescreen 15.4-inch panel. Dead end.

When the lessened pixel count of either of these 15.4" panels is factored, and the (though slight) increase in size would slightly encroach on the 17-inch model's territory, it starts to seem irrational to think Apple would move away from the present 15.2" panel.

I agree, none of the vectors cross on this one.

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
I've since cleared my head, gone back through all the data, and have reached the same conclusion as you: it's smoke.

While the 15.4" screen may be smoke... a mid-range powerbook is in the works... through both reliable rumor and common-sense. As always... it's a question of when.

arn

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 09:46 PM
Jack,

You crossed the vectors on your site when you said the following:

"Chi Mei has been shipping the new LCD panel to Apple's Taiwan assembly plant for over two weeks."

This was on the MacWhispers' site on the January 21st post ( it is still in the archive ).

Is this just not true??? I mean it is one thing to speculate; however, it is another to fabricate out of whole cloth.

One thing I can gleam from your site is that your DO love Apple and it's products; however, if your publish stuff without any solid evidence backing it then you really do harm to the company. I know they are out about $2100 of my dollars as I cancelled a 12 inch PB order!

So, could you please let us know whether this statement is fact or not?

Thank you in advance!

chazmox
Feb 25, 2003, 09:50 PM
Arn,

I agree - it is only logical that Apple update it's pro line for consistency across the board in tech ( FW800, BT ), style ( Aluminum cases ), and cost ( again Aluminum ). Again when is the question - 6 days or 6 months???

However, I'm still interested in the answer to my question above...

G4D2
Feb 25, 2003, 11:26 PM
It's hardly surprising, given Apple's sometimes understandably conflictive relationship with rumor sites, that the iPod update was not going to be released today. I'm certain that Apple does not view it in its interest, rightly or wrongly, to give any rumor site the appearance of credibility. Apple may very well have been prepared to announce the iPod updates today but chose not to as a response to MacWhispers bold predictions. Then again, maybe the whole thing was hype in antincipation of an inevitable upgrade to a popular product. It was almost as if MacWhispers was challenging Apple to prove it wrong. Which Apple did. No company wants to have its product release schedule dictated by internet rumor sites.

estevan2737
Feb 25, 2003, 11:43 PM
Personally, I thought the format of MacWhispers was relatively clear. Each posting contained an initial tidbit of info or rumor followed by a section titled "Analysis" (i.e. speculation). Anyway...I like the "new" direction of just providing the info you are able to gather and will continue to draw my own conclusions based on what I read on the many rumor sites.

What I don't understand is all of the competitive rumor site nonsense? If you don't like the quality of info you are getting from a site, stop visiting it.

Anyway...the most interesting thing to me about the change at MW is the realization that the Letter to Apple has been pulled from the site (you can still get the google cache version) if you haven't seen it. Now that's mysterious. :)

Rumor sites, for me at least, are a fun distraction. I don't make purchasing decisions based on what I read here...I just use it to fuel my imagination... (Sure hope Apple Legal caused the Letter to Apple to come down due to it being to close to an actual product):D

arn
Feb 25, 2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by G4D2
Apple may very well have been prepared to announce the iPod updates today but chose not to as a response to MacWhispers bold predictions.

I think you give Rumor Sites too much credit.

Mac rumor sites have gotten things right in the past... to think that Apple makes last minute product release decisions on the rantings of a few thousand people is insanity.

How about this alternative view of this situation?

The date was simply the wrong date. Seems a simpler explanation that invoking a conspiracy theory.

arn

paulvir
Feb 25, 2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by estevan2737
Personally, I thought the format of MacWhispers was relatively clear. Each posting contained an initial tidbit of info or rumor followed by a section titled "Analysis" (i.e. speculation).

This is the crux of the discussion here... the speculation was not limited to the "Analysis". (see above posts)

michaelyoung
Feb 26, 2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by arn
I think you give Rumor Sites too much credit.

Mac rumor sites have gotten things right in the past...
arn

I agree. Although in this (rumor) world we have a good idea of what to expect most people have none. It wouldn't harm Apple in any way if a struggling rumor site correctly predicted a release date a couple of weeks out.

Also, my hat is off to MacWhispers for coming here and fielding comments and criticism. Good for you man. Good luck.

MacWhispers
Feb 26, 2003, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by chazmox
So, could you please let us know whether this statement is fact or not?

Thank you in advance!

That statement came from a Chi Mei channel employee who is knowledgeable of the company's logistics, the same man who confirmed the Apple-exclusive deal to me on the 20.1" panel over week prior to the world finding out about it. I had/have little choice but to accept it as true.

That said, if it's true that Chi Mei is/has been shipping 15.4-inch LCD panels to "an Apple assembly plant" in Taiwan, it raises two questions... neither of which I have been able to get answered:

1. Since this does not state the panel is for the new Powerbook, the question opens, "What Apple product is this panel being used for?"

and...

2. Since this does not state that the panel is for an Apple product at all... only inferring same... then, "Is this for an Apple product, since all plants used by Apple for assembly in Taiwan are alos used by many other computer makers for their assembly.

Obviously, my first reaction to the cryptic statements made to me was to assume there was an Apple Powerbook on the other end. Now, after havign decided that my speculation skills are not anywhere as good as my basic industry contacts and sources, I am critically challenging my current and past thinking.

So...

Fact: A competent, proven source told me that the Chi Mei 15.4-inch panels began shipping to an "Apple assembly plant" in Taiwan about three weeks or so ago.

All else is speculation.

If I could find out WHICH "Apple assembly plant" then it would go a ways toward clearing the smoke from this one. So, that's my goal now... to gently pry that one tidbit from my Chi Mei contact. The one subtle attempt I have already made led me to believe he doesn't know off hand. If so, this will remain a mystery.

BWhaler
Feb 26, 2003, 02:46 AM
I hope MacWhispers continues in some form, because as we all know, we cannot have enough voices and support for the Apple community. I think they tried something creative, it didn't work, and they were straight forward and honest about it. Let's be the great Mac community we are and support them in their failure.

I did think from the start, however, that the whole approach of sourcing from Apple's suppliers was fatally flawed, so it was interesting to me to watch it play out.

Here's why: Apple must have draconian aggreements with their vendors around confidentiality. And to the vendors, there is no way it would be worth it to leak information and risk the Apple contract.

Further, even if MacWhispers approach worked, it would only work once. Apple would read the same rumors we do--which included the manufacturing source--and cancel the agreement with the vendor and sue, as we know Apple to do. They would do this for no other reason than to send a message to their entire supply chain that these agreements will be enforced with the full force of the Apple legal team.

And therein lies the first flaw. The second, as stated in earlier posts is Apple keeps people, including Apple employees, on a need-to-know basis. You may get a tiny slice of info, but it will never be enough to guess the whole picture unless you get lucky.

Data point: At Jan's MacWorld, I was talking to an Apple engineer who worked on the 12" PB. I asked him how Apple kept this a secret and things so quiet in general, and he laughed and said that no one on his team knew about the 17 inch PowerBook. They were just as surprised as we were. He said the executives and people in marketing usually have the entire story, and that's it.

pseudobrit
Feb 26, 2003, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by MacWhispers

1. Since this does not state the panel is for the new Powerbook, the question opens, "What Apple product is this panel being used for?"


Well, the current 15" iMac is clearly EOLed. That's where my money would be. 15.4" PB would make sense too., but could just as likely remain 15.2" Any info about supply from whomever makes the 15.2"?

chazmox
Feb 26, 2003, 07:48 AM
First off, Jack, thanks for clarifying that point. That takes quite a bit of courage to continue here.

I guess the data point was fundamentally correct; however, the implication ( which is as much the readers fault ) was that the panel was used by Apple which is not necessarily true.

Originally posted by G4D2
Apple may very well have been prepared to announce the iPod updates today but chose not to as a response to MacWhispers bold predictions.

Sorry, but this is pretty ludicrous. A company decides on product release based on engineering and business reasons alone - or they are not in business long. It could cost Apple $100,000's of dollars a day to hold off release of a product.

I also do not agree that the idea around the site is fundamentally flawed. The idea of tracking suppliers movements, especially Asian assembly plants seems very logical. Also, Apple has much less control over what these people do than their own employees. A lawsuit overseas would be difficult and once a relationship is entered, it may be very difficult to exit due to contractual and second supplier issues. Now if this info could be combined with a known source in Apple...

Originally posted by Bwhaler
Data point: At Jan's MacWorld, I was talking to an Apple engineer who worked on the 12" PB. I asked him how Apple kept this a secret and things so quiet in general, and he laughed and said that no one on his team knew about the 17 inch PowerBook. They were just as surprised as we were. He said the executives and people in marketing usually have the entire story, and that's it.

I actually doubt that this was entirely true (unless his team was electrical only). There had to be cross pollination between the mechanical design of the 12 inch and 17 inch. There are just too many identical features ( the hinge, the feet, the keyboard, the airport antenna covers, etc. ) for that to be coincidence.

And finally...

Originally posted by estevan2737:
(Sure hope Apple Legal caused the Letter to Apple to come down due to it being to close to an actual product)

I really doubt this was Apple. I doubt Apple could care about a random speculation and even if they did could they legally do anything about it? No! Most likely, DVForge did not agree to being represented by this letter and asked Jack to take it down.

Sorry for the long post - had alot to respond to...

G4D2
Feb 26, 2003, 10:58 AM
I don't believe that Apple would base their product release schedule on a vague rumor, as most rumors on these sites have been. Speculating that the next iMac will include Bluetooth or a faster processor or 3D LCD (I wish!) will not compel Apple to withhold that particular feature out of spite. However, when someone states that Apple will definitively be releasing a new product on a particular date and when this information is picked up at the national news level then it wouldn't be surprising for Apple to take note and react accordingly.

Apple, moreso then most tech and computer companies, is compelled to control the type of infomation that is being released about its products, especially given the nature of its product cycles and the methods that products are warehoused and delivered. Apple has a devoted user base that may very well decide to hold off purchasing what is in the current supply chain because of what they read on a rumor site, even if it is a product on the low end like the iPod. Unlike most other computer users, Mac users want to be on the cutting edge. If a rumor site begins to make concrete predictions about Apple releases and upgrades then it is certainly in Apple's best economic interests to cast doubt on the validity of those claims. In the long run, this makes economic sense for Apple and delaying the shipment of its lowest end product to accomplish this goal would not be unreasonable. If this rumor had been about a high end G4, a new Powerbook, or iMac, I wouldn't make this suggestion.

If a customer is on the market for a 5gb iPod and is willing to spend $300 on it but reads in the Wall Street Journal that within a week or two Apple will be releasing an upgraded version of it with twice the memory capacity and perhaps some additional features would that customer go ahead and make the original purchase? I know it would bug the hell out of me if I did that, especially if I knew the exact date the new iPod was coming out on.

Of course, very few people know exactly what happened in this case. But given Apple's vested interest in maintaining secrecy over it's product development and release schedule it would not be surprising.

seamuskrat
Feb 27, 2003, 08:03 AM
What ever happened t MacOSrumors? There site does not show up for past few weeks. no updates, etc.

Did they fold as well?

BigJayhawk
May 1, 2003, 08:20 AM
I've had my Mac Sites Tabs set up in Safari (b2v73) so I could "Open in Tabs" and get them all ready to quickly glance at. I've put Apple (http://www.apple.com) and MacRumors (http://www.macrumors.com) in the 1st two spots (of course!) but farther down the line was MacWhispers (http://www.macwhispers.com) (entertainment value).

For the last couple of days, the MacWhispers (http://www.macwhispers.com) site is FLAT OUT GONE. Rather annoying that Safari jumps you straight to the Tab that has a PROBLEM first. Anyway, other than a recommendation to Apple for Safari (which I turned in to Apple as well), I guess this is the end of the road for MacWhispers (http://www.macwhispers.com).

R.I.P.

Sun Baked
May 1, 2003, 08:42 AM
I have not had any problem getting to it, but I've also been going to the envestco site.

http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/

Jack Whispers
Aug 6, 2003, 08:17 AM
You have ALL been conned... this is just another marketing move by Jack. He's gotten you all talking about his website... what could be better?!

Suckers!

BTW: What Jack didn't steal from other rumor sites he fabricated. In the world of lies the more unverifiable "facts" added to the story the more believable. Go back and read his lies again, you'll see.

brig
Aug 6, 2003, 11:55 PM
i'll agree that he doesnt have a great track record, but when i first started lookin into all this mac speculation his site was about the first, and I'd like to personally thank jack for all those extremely handy links to the left. Without those links I never find macrumors, appleinsider, thinksecret, spymac, any of them.

chazmox
Aug 12, 2003, 07:34 PM
Read this thread from YML... Make sure to go down to the response from Shawn where he quotes some correspondance between Jack Campbell and Marathon...

http://forums.yourmaclife.com/viewtopic.php?p=19844#19844

It's a pretty scathing indictment!

daveL
Aug 12, 2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
Read this thread from YML... Make sure to go down to the response from Shawn where he quotes some correspondance between Jack Campbell and Marathon...

http://forums.yourmaclife.com/viewtopic.php?p=19844#19844

It's a pretty scathing indictment!
Man, that was entertaining. I knew he had a bad rep, but not this bad!

chazmox
Aug 12, 2003, 09:17 PM
Wasn't it entertaining??? That guy just skewers him! I knew he was sleezy but this shows him to be far worse than that!

daveL
Aug 12, 2003, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
Wasn't it entertaining??? That guy just skewers him! I knew he was sleezy but this shows him to be far worse than that!
Yes, I consider seeing a sleeze bag exposed to be entertaining. If it happened more often, the world would be a better place. Isn't life tough enough without having to deal with the "Jacks" of the world? Well, there's now one less that I have to be concerned about. That's just my take on it; I see no reason to feel sorry for the guy.

chewbaccapits
Aug 22, 2003, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
Actually, the idiot is not "going away."

I am stopping my effort to extrapolate specific product release predictions from the jumble of raw information I pick up from suppliers. Henceforth, I will just focus on publishing the information itself, and leave the crystal-ball work to my readers.

Hmmm...well jack..are you gone or not??? (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/comments.php?id=P155_0_4_0)

chazmox
Aug 22, 2003, 08:15 AM
Yay! I'm glad some kind of internet community immune system helped to finally stop the infection that was MacWhispers. The site was a plague on the rumors scene.

I'm sure Jack will be back to sully some other internet domain, but until then we can all breathe a collective sigh of relief.

fixyourthinking
Apr 30, 2009, 07:34 AM
You have ALL been conned... this is just another marketing move by Jack. He's gotten you all talking about his website... what could be better?!

Suckers!

BTW: What Jack didn't steal from other rumor sites he fabricated. In the world of lies the more unverifiable "facts" added to the story the more believable. Go back and read his lies again, you'll see.

For anyone finding this forum - this post has no relation to JACKWHISPERS.COM or FIXYOURTHINKING.COM

~ Philip Smith
www.fixyourthinking.com

Love
Apr 30, 2009, 09:52 AM
I think we just broke a new thread-digging record. over 6 years!

mikes70mustang
May 20, 2009, 12:05 AM
to bad everyone doesnt just quit guessing and wait like a civilized person

dmmcintyre3
May 20, 2009, 05:05 PM
I think we just broke a new thread-digging record. over 6 years!

I have done better

go look at mac polls discussion. 2002:D