Leopard Screenshots?

[MacRumors]

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Some supposed screenshots of OS 10.5 Leopard are gaining some traction on the Mac web. Originally posted on this Blogger blog (http://trinityrubicon.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_trinityrubicon_archive.html), the screenshots depict the following features:

- Mac OSX ability to run Windows programs natively (with Windows installed). Beta of IE 7 for Windows depicted.
- A refined metal interface (iTunes 5+) for Finder (with tabs)
- Multiple Desktops, with "peephole" switching effect
- iCal icon change, or integration with Address Book?

There is, of course the debate about whether or not the screenshots are real. Some of the valid points for each side are:

It's Real
- The screen switching effect only applies to the desktop windows and icons, and does not effect the menubar or dock

It's Fake
- The Internet Explorer window does not have a shadow on the right-hand side like other application windows do.
- Typically under-development software will list OS versions with the build. The screenshots only say "Version 10.5."

Raw Data: The screenshots have been mirrored on our servers here (http://guides.macrumors.com/images/3/35/Leopard_img01.0.png) and here (http://guides.macrumors.com/images/f/f5/Leopard_img02.png).

[longofest]

No, there isn't a virus in the pics ;)

[Cooknn]

That would be IE 7 running in the background, correct? If it's real, this is going to be huge. Running Windows app's natively on OS X?! :eek:

[Mac_Freak]

The second pic shows some kind of a transition to different desktop and the dock is not included in the transition as well as as the menu bar. This is just a background image that someone is using. :(


I do like the shortcuts idea in the Finder though. Tabs might be cool too.

[aafuss1]

You should be able to rearrange tabs by say drag and drop-like FireFoc in Safari 3 & Finder. Maybe even have a My tab groups feature.

[longofest]

The second pic shows some kind of a transition to different desktop and the dock is not included in the transition as well as as the menu bar. This is just a background image that someone is using. :(


I do like the shortcuts idea in the Finder though. Tabs might be cool too.

HAHA! I didn't even think about that!!!

[huy]

Don't forget that Intel Macs use DDR2 RAM, not DDR1.

[iGary]

What is this icon? :confused:

[longofest]

What is this icon? :confused:

iCal and Address Book all in one?

[uaaerospace]

What is this icon? :confused:
Updated address book?

[iGary]

iCal and Address Book all in one?

And Dictionary?

I think it is a hoax, but if it stirs attention for Leopard, that's cool. It's been too long since an exciting OS release...

[thejadedmonkey]

It only has DDR RAM, not DDR2 RAM like most intel macs.

It would be awesome if it's real though!

EDIT: Oops, Huy beat me to it.

[Core Trio]

Don't forget that Intel Macs use DDR2 RAM, not DDR1.

I didnt notice that at first glance but very good point, I'm gonna go with a 'fake' vote on this one.

[kainjow]

That would be IE 7 running in the background, correct? If it's real, this is going to be huge. Running Windows app's natively on OS X?! :eek:
= the end of native Mac development as we know it ;)

[animefan_1]

Don't forget that Intel Macs use DDR2 RAM, not DDR1.

Do the Intel Macs make that difference in the "About this Mac" window pane?

[AndyR]

What is this icon? :confused:

iDiary? :)

[nbs2]

I'd like it to be real, and (more importantly), I'd like to think that mobody would spend the time to make up screen shots for fun.

Supposing it is real, what easy system level shortcuts are left that can be commandeered to switch desktops? And, more importantly, will there be a desktop expose feature (we need more corners!)?

[Yonizzle]

That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.

[Foocha]

I think it's a fake, but there are some really great ideas here, and whoever produced it is clearly a serious Apple fan!

Ideas I really like include:

- multiple desktops (very handy in Linux)
- combining Address Book and iCal - about time
- a "classic environment" for Windows XP - wow!
- iLife '06 style user interface for Finder
- tabbed browsing for Finder - great for reducing screen clutter
- favourites in Finder

What's missing from this is an address field for the Finder, with "Go to Folder" command line style tab-completion. Also, keyhole effect is a bit daft - an Exposé style method of zooming out to view all your desktops at once would surely be more useful.

[mark!]

Do the Intel Macs make that difference in the "About this Mac" window pane?

yes

[MacBoobsPro]

For me they are definately fake because the 'peephole switching' effect is very lame and too complicated to be from Apple.

Apples graphical style is simple and concise. The peephole effect is too much eyecandy for very little reward. ;)

Also the RAM is wrong!

[Vader]

Looks like a photoshopped Tiger screenshot.
The menu bar also did not change design with the "new os" as it usually has.

[Cooknn]

It only has DDR RAM, not DDR2 RAM like most intel macs.I guess that pretty much settles it then.

[oldMac]

Another reason why this is probably faked...

In the "About This Mac" window, the Windows version is listed as "XP with Service Pack 2".

Seems unlikely since the name of "Windows XP SP2" is never presented this way in Windows and this rendition doesn't provide more useful info about the Windows build number or even mention "Microsoft".

I think that Microsoft would insist that they get billing in that window.

Along with the version number being "10.5" with no build info, this is definitely fake.

[mark!]

Yeah, they probably would have said :

XP Professional, Service Pack 2

I think...

[sunfast]

Is it just me or does the finder look quite dark grey? It looks too dark for my liking - I'd prefer a colour similar to Mail.

[animefan_1]

It's Fake
- The Internet Explorer window does not have a shadow on the right-hand side like other application windows do.


Neither do Classic windows.

Like John Gruber (of Daring Fireball) wrote: Windows: The New Classic (http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/windows_the_new_classic)

[scottlinux]

And 10.5 is going to redo the entire dock, and totally revamp the finder.

[animefan_1]

Is it just me or does the finder look quite dark grey? It looks too dark for my liking - I'd prefer a colour similar to Mail.

I'd prefer a Mail color as well. Apple could just be experimenting.


That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.

True, but maybe Apple will offer several transition options.

[lonepilgrim]

The second pic shows some kind of a transition to different desktop and the dock is not included in the transition as well as as the menu bar. This is just a background image that someone is using. :(
Notice in the menu bar, in the first screen shot there's a '1' in a circle, and it's changed to a '2' in the second shot, mid-transition.

[mark!]

Notice in the menu bar, in the first screen shot there's a '1' in a circle, and it's changed to a '2' in the second shot, mid-transition.

probably was meant to mean ''desktop 1'' and ''desktop 2''

[Sky Blue]

Whilst these are most probably fake, don't forget those dashboard shots that leaked before Tiger was announced. People dismissed those for the "Ugly and non Apple like" clock, calendar and address book widgets. Turns out they were real.

[kainjow]

Notice in the second pic in the Finder window it says "CoreWindows" - if it's a fake, it has some good ideas.

[lonepilgrim]

probably was meant to mean ''desktop 1'' and ''desktop 2''
Yes, exactly.

What's that date on the address book icon? Jan 14? What's the significance of that date, if anything... it's not MWSF 07 is it? :eek:

[grabberslasher]

Notice also that the window title has no proxy icon, and that in the second shot the window path is shown in the title.

[TV65000]

I say real.
Maybe I'm just a sucker for a good OS update. And I don't think that RAM blurb is a deal-breaker here.

I will say this:
Normally a Finder window shows a home icon for the user account directory in the left-hand side of the window (Desktop, <Username>, Apps, Utils, Music, Pics, etc.) -- the user icon is missing. But in the peephole, that Finder window clearly shows Macintosh HD | Users | Administrator

Sure, the blogger could've removed the home icon, it's easy to do, but why whould he/she have done so?

[Electro Funk]

= the end of native Mac development as we know it ;)

I am sooooooooooooooo tired of hearing this....:rolleyes:

[grabberslasher]

I say real.
Maybe I'm just a sucker for a good OS update. And I don't think that RAM blurb is a deal-breaker here.

I will say this:
Normally a Finder window shows a home icon for the user account directory in the left-hand side of the window (Desktop, <Username>, Apps, Utils, Music, Pics, etc.) -- the user icon is missing. But in the peephole, that Finder window clearly shows Macintosh HD | Users | Administrator

Sure, the blogger could've removed the home icon, it's easy to do, but why whould he/she have done so?

And look too - there's a pull down arrow at the side of them, meaning you can traverse the full path.

Also what's that nonsense about the IE7 window not having a shadow? It's there, take a look. It's not frontmost, so it has the small shadow.

[Carl Spackler]

Crow: Real!
Tom Servo: Fake!
Crow: Real!
Tom Servo: Fake!
Crow, Tom Servo & Joel: Real Fake!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/MST3kJoelAndtheBots.JPG/350px-MST3kJoelAndtheBots.JPG

[Mal]

I'm actually thinking real now, though there's good arguments against it. The peephole effect is easy to fake, but it's similar to one of the transitions in Keynote, which does lend it some credibility. The version of Windows is the main sticking point for me, because I don't think it'd be listed that way, but it's possible. I'm also curious about that new icon, since it wasn't mentioned, it's just kinda sitting down there. Lends some more credibility to the idea that this is really someone running the beta, I think.

jW

[terrorbite]

I really hope its fake. I'm expecting some significant (or at least noticable) GUI changes to Leopard.

[jholzner]

Well I'm going to say fake if only for the fact that I don't think Apple will want Win apps and Mac apps running seemlessly together. They will want a distinction between which are MacOS apps and which are Windows apps.

[jaxstate]

MS has already stated there will no longer develope IE for Macs.:cool:

[lonepilgrim]

I really hope its fake. I'm expecting some significant (or at least noticable) GUI changes to Leopard.
This could be a relatively 'early' stage of development. I am curious about that date, though, Jan 14. It doesn't appear to be an open app: when iCal is open, it shows the current date, and when closed shows the date it was released (is that right?) So I wonder if the default with this app is to always show the current date, regardless of whether the app is open or not - or, alternatively, there is some other significance to the date.

If it is a current date display, these screenshots are 5 months old - would that be possible or likely?

[m-dogg]

Well, I placed a vote for "real" just because I was excited to see anything related to Leopard. But based on others comments & observations, it seems clear that they are fake...

Ideas I really like include:

- multiple desktops (very handy in Linux)
- combining Address Book and iCal - about time
- a "classic environment" for Windows XP - wow!
- iLife '06 style user interface for Finder
- tabbed browsing for Finder - great for reducing screen clutter
- favourites in Finder


Would any Linux users mind explaining the benefit of multiple desktops? While it sounds interesting, I don't see what value it adds.

[billchase2]

hmm... very interesting. the introduction of natively running windows software and having multiple desktops could be very cool.

oh, and i love the tabbed finder idea. that's one of the big things i like about firefox and adium... tabs rock. keeps thing more organized and clutter free.

[Doraemon]

I voted real.

I want to be believe.

;)

[Sky Blue]

MS has already stated there will no longer develope IE for Macs.:cool:


It's the IE7 for Windows.

[bigandy]

I am starting to think that built in virtualisation, such as we are able to run apps like IE7 is depicted, would be pretty damn good.

I voted fake, however, as I too believe that there will be more significant changes to the OS look/feel.

Notice also that the window title has no proxy icon
eh?
and that in the second shot the window path is shown in the title.
so?

Notice in the second pic in the Finder window it says "CoreWindows" - if it's a fake, it has some good ideas.
but us here MR people have seen some stunning fakes in our time :rolleyes:

[lonepilgrim]

It's the IE7 for Windows.
I think the poster's point was precisely that -- it must be the Windows version, as there isn't going to be another Mac version.

[medazinol]

For me they are definately fake because the 'peephole switching' effect is very lame and too complicated to be from Apple.

Apples graphical style is simple and concise. The peephole effect is too much eyecandy for very little reward. ;)

Also the RAM is wrong!


I guess you haven't used Keynote 3? Peephole is one of the slide transitions...

[zach]

what i think: very fake
what else i think: if that's what the new finder looks like, i'll be satisfied with it for the first time...

[KindredMAC]

I don't think the IE7 window shadow shows a fake at all. I just moved around some windows on my system and it looked just like that on my screen.

Other than that, I'm just excited because we haven't had anything "spy" related to sink our fangs into for years it seems. I don't care if it is fake.... this is like the old days again!!!!

[Super Dave]

I say it's fake. Not because the Photoshopping is unconvincing. But because of this:

Apple doesn't think people are bright enough to have a 2 button trackpad, but they're going to support multiple desktops?! Aside from 7 of us nerds here at MacRumors who've used unix iterations with this who in the real world would even get that concept?

David :cool:

[longofest]

Would any Linux users mind explaining the benefit of multiple desktops? While it sounds interesting, I don't see what value it adds.

==What is Multiple Desktops== (just in case there is confusion)
If you have two physical monitors hooked up to one computer that allows desktop spanning (i.e. PowerBooks, PowerMacs, MacBooks, Intel iMacs), you can have two "desktops"(well, it's really one expanded desktop, but you know what I mean). You can drag other windows onto that other desktop, and see them both simultaneously.

Now, take away that second monitor, but still leave the capability to have two desktops. You can't see the second desktop at the same time as the first desktop, but you can "toggle" between the two using a key combination or perhaps a menu item. Your second desktop then appears with all of your windows arranged just as you left it. This concept can be expanded to third and fourth desktops, and does not apply just to the window state, but to icons that are on the screen.

==Why is it good==
So, some people may say that this is pointless unless you have a second (or third, or fourth) screen. However, lets say you were a very busy user (say a webmaster/guru), and you had a bunch of apps open. Take these few:

-Dreamweaver
-Photoshop/Fireworks/Flash/whatever
-Safari
-Firefox
-IE

Now, you can't possibly see everything at once on one monitor. Expose is helpful in that you can quickly switch between seeing multiple applications, but even it is limited in that you may just want to see your productivity applications (Dreamweaver and Photoshop) at a time, and then switch to see your preview applications (the browsers). So, you could have your browser windows open in another desktop, and you could have Dreamweaver and Photoshop windows open on your primary desktop to work on your stuff.

Then, when you want to preview your changes in the browsers, you just switch to the other desktop by CTRL-ALT-TAB (or something like that), and wallah, they are all set for you just as you left them the last time you previewed (you don't have to minimize Dreamweaver and Photoshop, and then maximize the browsers each time you want to preview).

[mulletman13]

Some good ideas, although I'm not sure how I feel about Windows Apps running alongside OSX Apps ....

These pictures really add a lot of detail, and make it seem like it was something very well thought out. Personally I think the Apple is going to change in the "About this Mac" window -- that one has been there for a while and is out of place for even 10.4.

With all the other discrepencies, they lend it to be fake... especially how 10.5 does not have a build number at all.

As for Jan 14, I think the hoaxer wants us to believe this is the release date for it :)

I still havent made up my mind for real or fake... it's very well fabricated if it is fake though.

[Super Dave]

Build numbers don't show up in 10.4 either unless you click the 10.4 part. Take a look.

David:cool:

[thefunkymunky]

I guess you haven't used Keynote 3? Peephole is one of the slide transitions...

What is the effect called in KN3. I've just had a look and I can't find it.:confused:

[phillymjs]

What is this icon? :confused:

Yeah, that definitely looks like an integrated iCal/Address Book app.

It just sent a tingle up my spine! Because if they do that, the next step is integrated mail/calendar/address book in a single app. Mmmmm, the tantalizing thought of Apple groupware!

Will we finally see Apple's answer to MS Exchange in OS X Server 10.5? I sure hope so, I've only been begging them for that for three years while watching dozens of my company's clients who were very interested in OS X Server go with Windows Small Business Server for one reason: Exchange.

(And yes, I know of Kerio and Communigate Pro, but MS provides everything in one package, and Apple needs to counter with that.)

~Philly

[miketcool]

This REAL screenshots seemed to take forever, I can't wait to start using Windows Update to keep my IE7 secure, I l0v3 sthi pr0000000

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28/02/2006 10:06:09 (pid 3244, tid 524, 15 ms) [Error, PID 3244, TID 524, 09:06:09.454] Error in CommonResourceManager: can't instantiate ResourceManager
28/02/2007210:06:09 (pid 3244, tid 524, 15 ms) [Error, PID 3244, TID 524, 09:06:09.454] E3rror in GetMessage4String: wr4ng resulft strings
28/02/2007 10:06:039 (pisd 3244e, tid 5624, 346 ms) [Eesrror, PIDd 3244, TID 524, 09:06:0g9.485] Error6 in GetMffessageString: wrong stringg na6me
28/02/2007 10:06:069 (pid 32444, tidd 524, 46 ms) [Error, PID 3244, TID 524, 09:06:09.485] Error4 in Ge3essageString: wr4ong result string
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[BenRoethig]

I hope its not real. Native windows support is what killed OS/2. They look convincing, you gotta give the guy credit, but Apple isn't this stupid.

[FattyMembrane]

Apple doesn't think people are bright enough to have a 2 button trackpad, but they're going to support multiple desktops?!

agreed. also, tabs work great on webpages, but aren't so cool for the desktop paradigm (at least not the current one). i seriously doubt apple hired new programmers and designers to work on a "completely redesigned" finder that simply added tabs. these are some slick fakes, but if they were real, we'd at least see some full rez shots.

[7on]

I hope its not real. Native windows support is what killed OS/2. They look convincing, you gotta give the guy credit, but Apple isn't this stupid.


Native Classic Support didn't kill OSX

[Mord]

the transition thing reminds me of a certain goat with a se.

[jason2811]

I'm new to macs and stuff but what does having two desktops mean? What is the point of having more than one desktop? I don't get it. Would this effect the average user?

[miketcool]

I say it's fake. Not because the Photoshopping is unconvincing. But because of this:

Apple doesn't think people are bright enough to have a 2 button trackpad, but they're going to support multiple desktops?! Aside from 7 of us nerds here at MacRumors who've used unix iterations with this who in the real world would even get that concept?

David :cool:

Guess again.

Use Logic Express or Pro, your 1-9 keys are the hotkeys to your 9 multiple desktop enviroments. Professionals get it too, and some of us are pretty cool...

[BenRoethig]

Native Classic Support didn't kill OSX

OS9 wasn't windows.

[bowens]

Would any Linux users mind explaining the benefit of multiple desktops? While it sounds interesting, I don't see what value it adds.
If you do any kind of multitasking multiple desktops are great. I have used them quite a bit in many versions of linux. If you have a lot of windows open but don't want to crowd your workspace, put some on another desktop. That way nothing gets overcrowded.

[SalsaShark]

Umm, there's nothing wrong with the IE shadow. It has a much lighter shadow than the other window, but it's there, even on the right side. Apparently people aren't very observant, because the frontmost window always has a much stronger shadow than the background windows. I'm not saying it's real or fake, but the shadows are perfectly accurate.

[dhc]

I'm new to macs and stuff but what does having two desktops mean? What is the point of having more than one desktop? I don't get it. Would this effect the average user?


Give it a shot with this app - it takes a little customisation, and while not essential to the way in which I work/play, I find it has it's uses (as mentioned in Longofest's post).

http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Desktop-Manager.shtml


Fake? maybe not entirely - could be a hint at things to come..? drumming up interest etc?

[dornoforpyros]

well I'm sure this is fake I gotta say I like the idea of a tabbed finder :)

[Mord]

I'm new to macs and stuff but what does having two desktops mean? What is the point of having more than one desktop? I don't get it. Would this effect the average user?

so you can set them up for different work settings, like have a graphics desktop a games desktop and a office work desktop

[thegreatluke]

Hmm...
And these aren't viruses?
Nice.

the transition thing reminds me of a certain goat with a se.
And you just KNOW someone's going to make a theme out there that puts hands into the transition. :D

[Core Trio]

Native Classic Support didn't kill OSX

Thats pretty much irrelevent.

OS X was the future of OS 9 everyone knew they werent going to co-exist forever and upgrading you're code was necessary. OS 9 was in no way a competitor to OS X.

Windows will be another story. Id rather just dual boot to be honest with you, leave virtualization to companies like parallels for the niche group of people who need it. Making it standard on all systems could kill apple's support.

[Scottyk9]

so you can set them up for different work settings, like have a graphics desktop a games desktop and a office work desktop

try Desktop Manager http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21594
or VirtueDesktop http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/25159

I have transitioning mapped to mouse clicks on an MX 1000
great stuff

[dialectician]

MS has already stated there will no longer develope IE for Macs.:cool:

That's all the better, since Safari, Firefox, Opera and Camino are all vastly superior to IE anyway!

But what's the matter with this peephole?

[toughboy]

MS has already stated there will no longer develope IE for Macs.:cool:

who needs freakin M$ to develop anything for Mac? Its the IE7 for Windows and OS X runs it natively!

[zach]

why is the dock missing in the desktop switcher picture now on the blog? the original's archived on macrumors.. or is my web browser just messed up or something?

[celebrian23]

If you design websites, you might want IE. Also, some pages won't work if you're not in IE :p

[thegreatluke]

why is the dock missing in the desktop switcher picture now on the blog? the original's archived on macrumors.. or is my web browser just messed up or something?
It probably didn't load all the way.

For me, it had only loaded up until a couple pixels of the dock showed. When everyone was talking about the dock, I had to look back.

[zach]

Also, some pages won't work if you're not in IE :p

yeah, poorly coded ones.

[reallynotnick]

Personally I don't think that having Windows XP intergrated would be so much of a deal. For one only people that knew how to do will do it, grandma, siss and uncle chuck will just stick with Mac OS X. Then on top of it you have to go out and buy Windows XP for $200. Then you would probally have a startup time similar to Classic mode. Not to mention I am sure it would take lots of ram to run both side by side.

The Peephole thing is stupid, but maybe there will be a couple of choices of transitions like the windowing minimizing. Also this could just be a beta and it could be thrown away at a later time.


Well at least no one got a virus this time!

[ChrisA]

Fake: I expect Leopard WILL include either VMware or something like it. The "About this mac" box would then display a line called "Guest OS type" and not a line that reads "Windows". VMware should be able to run any Intel based OS. So building the assumption that the guest OS is Windows would not be build into Leopard.

Also even if it did assume Windows. The line in the box would read "MS Windows Version:" or something like that not just "Windows".

[croasmun]

I posted this in the VMware forum, but this info may be even more relevant here. This patent may describe the tech behind the screenshot (if it is real):

http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.ph...umer_desktops/

Anybody read this? Looks like transparent support of Windows apps through a VM implimentation presented through a "unified desktop interface." Sounds to me like double click an .exe file and away you go.

Presumably you'd still have to pay for/install Windows for the VM to have an OS to host, but, wow, this patent seems to describe a computer on which [literally] everything JUST WORKS. (.exe, .app, etc.)

As far as viruses go, Intel also filed a patent yesterday dealing with virus quarantine in such an environment.

[Diatribe]

I posted this in the VMware forum, but this info may be even more relevant here. This patent may describe the tech behind the screenshot (if it is real):

http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.ph...umer_desktops/

Anybody read this? Looks like transparent support of Windows apps through a VM implimentation presented through a "unified desktop interface." Sounds to me like double click an .exe file and away you go.

Presumably you'd still have to pay for/install Windows for the VM to have an OS to host, but, wow, this patent seems to describe a computer on which [literally] everything JUST WORKS. (.exe, .app, etc.)

As far as viruses go, Intel also filed a patent yesterday dealing with virus quarantine in such an environment.

Your link doesn't work for me but it would definitely be interesting.

[blufire]

I believe these screenshots are fake, and the reasons are:

1. It's not hard to make that Finder mock-up. I don't think that Safari-esque interface is the direction that Apple is taking. Though it looks believable, I don't find it intuitive enough.

2. The "Windows" text in "About This Mac" looks different from (less clear than) the other text. Making the window and adding the text is a simple task in Photoshop, and it looks like that's what was done here.

3. The peephole transition effect doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense here. And the desktop selector (with the "1" and "2") doesn't seem like an Apple thing to do. I'd expect thumbnails of the desktops (maybe with the numbers overlaid). The peephole transition screenshot could be made easily with Keynote. The desktop selection menu bar item is black, whereas Apple's menu bar items are a dark grey (and the circle with a number in it is very simple to make).

Granted, if it's prerelease software, many of these details may not be in place or completed yet, but I find the appearance of the "Windows" text in "About This Mac" to be very fishy. Plus, Apple is well aware that making Windows apps run within OS X will completely open up OS X to viruses, spyware, etc. Boot Camp and virtualization are less likely to cause problems in this regard (though they're still risky).

So my conclusion is that these screenshots are probably fake, both visually and conceptually. Nice try, though. :P


Oh yeah. Apple hasn't ordered a cease-and-desist yet, either.

[thegreatluke]

What about viruses/spyware? I'm hoping something like a window saying "Windows program hosttracker.exe is trying to run. Is this okay?" and then you select yes or no... it would be creepy to be able to run viruses and other malware without knowing about it; that's why I switched to Mac OS X in the first place. :)

[Super Dave]

Guess again.

Use Logic Express or Pro, your 1-9 keys are the hotkeys to your 9 multiple desktop enviroments. Professionals get it too, and some of us are pretty cool...

I use Final Cut all the time. In their Pro Apps multiple desktops wouldn't surprise me, but in their OS?

David:cool: :cool:

[croasmun]

My bad; sorry the link didn't work. Here are the stories; both are Intel patents, not Apple, but, nevertheless, the tech is perhaps relevant:

First:

http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

Specifically re: viruses:

http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/part_2_intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

[technocoy]

not sure if this would kill it (since iCal is inconsistent even now) but the address book app says jan 14. that was a saturday. his upper right hand date says wednesday.

fake if you ask me. but cool if real.

[wmmk]

fake. not only does the metadata show photoshopping, but i could actually make my mac look like this and function. the finder tabs and layout would be harder to get, but i could mess around with the .nib file

[GodBless]

The only 4 things that I can see that make me doubt that the screenshots are authentic:
1) The way the Windows version is labeled. ("XP with Service Pack 2" seems like a very odd labeling and doesn't even include Microsoft's name. But couldn't a user click on the Windows version for more information just like they could click on 10.4 more information (like the build number) on Tiger? This makes me think that the images have a good chance at being authentic screenshots after all.).

2.) Windows programs supported as closely as they are in the screenshot. (Think about it -- Can you see Apple selling a version of Leopard that installs Windows after the Leopard installation is finished? How can both of the operating systems run at the same time after they are installed on different partitions? How can only Windows interface run on OS X? Perhaps there is an option of booting into different operating systems and additionally the option of using OS X's interface to run Windows programs. Also, perhaps Apple is working with VMWare to make it possible to run Windows interface natively on OS X. Plus the Boot Campish logo at the top left of the screen makes me think that virtualization options are in that menu. Without this menu I would have a hard time believing the screenshot was real since it has a Windows program running.)

3) The lack of full resolution screenshots. (It would be easy for someone to export a "fair" Photoshop job by reducing the size and the quality of the final project. Otherwise the Photoshop master would have to perfect every pixel to export it in the full resolution and fool us at the same time. That isn't saying that the pictures can't be real though. Perhaps the person who revealed this screenshot wasn't able to leave his/her office unless his/her jump drive was checked for any images that looked like screenshots. In this case he/she would have probably had to reduce the image size and change it to a .doc or something to make it look like it wasn't a screenshot after all.)

4.) The wallpaper. (I don't think it will be a solid blue and I don't see why the person who posted these pictures would have changed it to that. This is the one thing that makes me doubt the authenticity of the "screenshots.")

Some things that people in this thread think will prove these screenshots fake don't prove them fake at all:
1) 10.5 without a build number in the "About This Mac" window. (On Tiger you click on the 10.4 to see the build number on 10.5 I would expect the same, even in the beta version.)

2) No home directory. (I can see why the person would have taken the home directory out; he/she didn't want to get tracked down for releasing the picture that is now rapidly traveling all around the web.)

Conclusion:
Since there doesn't seem like there is too much to make it fake my guess is that with under 1.5 months of Apple showcasing Leopard to the public, I wouldn't be surprised if more "screenshots" were leaked tomorrow. I'm not saying that these "screenshots" are real (because I really don't know) but all I can say is they have a high chance of being authentic.

[silvergunuk]

I Think It's A Fake Because In The Screenshot With The Transition, It Looks Like The Mounted Hard Drives On The Desktop Are Deformed. If I Was Apple I Would Leave The Mounted Hardrive Icons The Same As They Would Appear On The 2nd Desktop Anyway.

[Scottyk9]

My bad; sorry the link didn't work. Here are the stories; both are Intel patents, not Apple, but, nevertheless, the tech is perhaps relevant:

First:

http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

Specifically re: viruses:

http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/part_2_intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

I just read the 1st one... having a visual representation of what this might look like (real or fake) makes it all the more powerful

wow....

[pascalpp]

Another possible indication that these are faked: both screenshots show the exact same time in the menubar. It's possible that both of these screenshots were taken within 60 seconds of each other, but I find it unlikely.

[Shunnabunich]

I say there's not even a chance that this is real.

The Finder window could easily have been 'shopped using Shapeshifter, a chunk from a Safari screenshot (for tabs), and perhaps Themepark if they were playing with individual UI elements.

IE7 is probably a screenshot of the beta taken within Windows, with an OS X titlebar spliced on and NO attention paid to shadows. :mad:

The transition could easily have been done up as a full-screen shot (i.e. including the menu bar and Dock) using Quartz Composer or Core Image Funhouse or what have you. The use of a desktop image may just be laziness...I dunno. :p (In their defense, the peephole effect could be a temporary effect selected by the developers for fun, intended to be replaced in the final version, and if a 2D sliding transition is used in the final, I can understand the menu bar and Dock staying while the apps and desktop switch around.)

As someone else said, the menu bar is the one found in Tiger (although again, this could be the result of the new UI design still being in progress).

I don't quite see the logic of combining a calendar app with an address book. A Mail/AB hybrid might make slightly more sense, but personally I like it as a separate entity that can integrate with all the other apps without playing favourites with any of them by being combined with them. ^_^ (OK, however...*rolls eyes* I would see the logic of combining all the apps that might be thought of as "life management" or something into one, do-it-all "life management" app with addy book, calendar, iSync, and maybe stickies.)

The About This Mac window, for reasons already stated, is a total fake.

[Mainyehc]

This could be a relatively 'early' stage of development. I am curious about that date, though, Jan 14. It doesn't appear to be an open app: when iCal is open, it shows the current date, and when closed shows the date it was released (is that right?) So I wonder if the default with this app is to always show the current date, regardless of whether the app is open or not - or, alternatively, there is some other significance to the date.

If it is a current date display, these screenshots are 5 months old - would that be possible or likely?

No, it isn't likely, because Jan. 14, 2006 was a friday, and Jan. 14, 2007 will be a sunday. The menubar reads "Wed 11:26 AM", so the icon couldn't possibly reflect a current date (I don't think the author of these screenshots would bother to find some year when Jan. 14 fell on a wednesday :p ).

Btw, real or fake, that transition effect reminds me too much of [that picture of a guy doing something really gross with his behind]! :D

[edit: for chrissake, I know that thing is VERY NSFW, but to ban the picture's name itself? It's even on Wikipedia! :rolleyes: ]

[ro2nie]

I think it's fake
Look at the right of IE7's window. the shadow is missing

I would like XGL in Mac OS X Leopard

XGL demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgqWlX_GsI)

[danp]

Then you would probally have a startup time similar to Classic mode. Not to mention I am sure it would take lots of ram to run both side by side.


Have you ever used WINE under Linux?

There is nothing in that screenshot to indicate that it isn't just an Apple-developed WINE variant that uses the official DLL and OCX files from the Windows install CD.

*IF* that was the case (and I'm not saying I agree it is), then your assumptions about startup time and ram usage are incorrect. WINE is a very lean application.

[iShane]

I chose fake because of the reasons in the OP.

[Cooknn]

I just read the 1st one... having a visual representation of what this might look like (real or fake) makes it all the more powerfulSo... Mac OS X becomes a unified desktop interface :eek:Embodiments of the present invention provide a method, apparatus and system for transparently unifying multiple VMs on a host. More specifically, according to an embodiment of the present invention, users may interact with Guest Software on a VM host via a unified graphical user interface (the user interface hereafter referred to as “Unified Desktop Interface 200”). Or you could just refer to it as Mac OS X Leopard :D This will be HUGE. I have no doubt now, that Apple and Intel are working together on this. From what I understand, guest software gets access to the hardware. No more emulation. Sweet. Agreed regarding the screenshot. Fake as it may be, it's cool to see what is most likely in the cards regarding virtualization for OS X.

[Stella]

The photoshop 'experts' have been wrong more times than they've been right.

I believe this shots are real.

[mulletman13]

Some things that people in this thread think will prove these screenshots fake don't prove them fake at all:
1) 10.5 without a build number in the "About This Mac" window. (On Tiger you click on the 10.4 to see the build number on 10.5 I would expect the same, even in the beta version.)



At least one of Tiger's betas had the build number right in the window. I ran a couple of them and I distinctly remember a build being listed without the need of a click.

I'll try to fish out a screenshot...

[Mainyehc]

Would any Linux users mind explaining the benefit of multiple desktops? While it sounds interesting, I don't see what value it adds.

I'm a Mac user and I can explain that too... :p

http://virtuedesktops.info

It's great for working with multiple apps simultaneously, especially when they are of vastly different kinds. I know Expos&#233; is just great, but OS X has got me spoiled (then again, Expos&#233; doesn't reduce clutter, it just helps you sort through it): once, besides the fact I was working on Photoshop and Illustrator, I had more than 60 websites open at the same time, on two different desktops, as I was doing research on two different subjects, apart from my regular surfing. I also had three or four chat windows open at the same time (I don't really like tabbed chat windows). Try minimizing all that and the dock icons get too tiny and/or indistinguishable. :eek:

I have 4 desktops: Two for work, and two for everything else. Since VirtueDesktops allows me to permanently bind apps to specific desktops, I can force IM apps to open up new windows on one of them - I find that helps me concentrate on the task at hand. I can also make apps "sticky", i.e. they show up on all desktops, which is handy for iTunes, even though I already use the excellent ByteController (http://www.bytetastic.com/?page=products).

For switching desktops, I can either use active edges (akin to expos&#233;'s active corners, except I configured them to require a mouse click) or the keyboard shortcut option+tab (which, predictably, presents a translucent pager much like the application switcher triggered by cmd+tab). If you have an Apple laptop equipped with a sudden-motion sensor you could even try the "screen-tapping" method, it seems to be preety nifty. :cool:

[edit: Scottyk9 and longofest beat me to it :p ]

[LoonyPandora]

I have a bad track record with rumours - but I say fake.

On the second image, the windows still have a shadow mid-animation. On current versions of OS X, doing any sort of CoreImage type effects, the shadows disappear for the duration of the animation.

Hold down shift to slow down the animations of minimising to the dock, and "show all windows" in expos&#233; - you should be able to see this effect :)

[4God]

It's the IE7 for Windows.


But in the first screenshot it's running on the Mac OS.
Fake to me.

[Monkaaay]

I wish, I wish, I wish.

[Sky Blue]

But in the first screenshot it's running on the Mac OS.
Fake to me.


Windows files running on OS X. Is it that hard to understand????

[tom_s]

Another possible indication that these are faked: both screenshots show the exact same time in the menubar. It's possible that both of these screenshots were taken within 60 seconds of each other, but I find it unlikely.

In the first screenshot he/she is about to switch desktops (with this 1-2 selector thing), in the 2nd screenshot the switching is in progress. I think that it is very likely that these shots were taken only a few seconds apart.


I Think It's A Fake Because In The Screenshot With The Transition, It Looks Like The Mounted Hard Drives On The Desktop Are Deformed. If I Was Apple I Would Leave The Mounted Hardrive Icons The Same As They Would Appear On The 2nd Desktop Anyway.

There could be other HDs mounted or they could be arranged in a different way on the 2nd desktop.

[Core Trio]

So in a few days do you think we'll get a video surfacing online with exactly how this was done in photoshop, much like we saw with the "touch-screen ipod" last spring?

[mcic1984]

I hate to say it as it looks awfully cool, but it's definitely FAKE...

Look carefully at the title of Internet Explorer:
The screenshot shows "Internet Explorer: Apple - MacBook Gallery".

However, using Internet Explorer7 in Windows XP Professional SP2,, the title bar should be:
"Apple - MacBook Family - Windows Internet Explorer"

See this:

http://static.flickr.com/45/173314772_7e505b9188.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=173314772&size=l

Not only is the text the wrong way round, but it is missing the word "Windows" too. And don't say it's hidden - if it is hidden behind the other window, it clearly isn't centred.

I guess the counter-argument is that Apple hide the word "Windows" =P But that seems too far fetched!

=editx2= (a) okay it IS centred and (b) ok Windows does appear to be there -- but why would the words just mysteriously switch order? It would have to be a conscious decision to switch things around... And all the more an odd decision because neither Safari nor Firefox displays the application name...

[peharri]

This could be a relatively 'early' stage of development. I am curious about that date, though, Jan 14. It doesn't appear to be an open app: when iCal is open, it shows the current date, and when closed shows the date it was released (is that right?) So I wonder if the default with this app is to always show the current date, regardless of whether the app is open or not - or, alternatively, there is some other significance to the date.

If it is a current date display, these screenshots are 5 months old - would that be possible or likely?

No, it's not "today's" date. The 14th was a Saturday. The clock shows Wednesday. I don't know where Jan 14th comes from, the only relevent date I can think of would be the supposed 2007 release date (mid January 2007), and I can't think why that would be harded coded into the iCal icon...

[4God]

Windows files running on OS X. Is it that hard to understand????

Yes, since Microsoft announced that it no longer supports or builds IE for Mac. :rolleyes:

EDIT: By the way, I'm not talking about just running windows files.
I know you can open Word and Excel etc. files with Office for Mac.
I'm talking about running a program no longer supported by Microsoft on Mac.

[Diatribe]

Yes, since Microsoft announced that it no longer supports or builds IE for Mac. :rolleyes:

EDIT: By the way, I'm not talking about just running windows files. I know you can open Word and Excel etc. files with Office for Mac.
I'm talking about running a program no longer supported by Microsoft
on Mac.

He is talking about WINDOWS files (e.g. .exe)!

[Cooknn]

Yes, since Microsoft announced that it no longer supports or builds IE for Mac. :rolleyes:You don't get it. The build is not for OS X. The idea is to run native Windows 'programs' in a virtual machine with OS X as the unified desktop. See post above with links to Intel's patent application.

[Shunnabunich]

Yes, since Microsoft announced that it no longer supports or builds IE for Mac. :rolleyes:
Um, that's great. :D

The implication of the screenshot was never that Leopard will be accompanied by a new, OS X native version of Internet Explorer. I don't know what gave you that impression. The implication is that a native Windows application (in this case Internet Explorer) is being run inside OS X, a la WINE. The separate partitions may simply be a requirement — you have to have Windows installed in order for OS X to use its DLLs, APIs, apps and so forth, and the same would go for a guest Linux install.

[4God]

He is talking about WINDOWS files (e.g. .exe)!

So you are saying that I can run .exe files on Mac OSX? :confused:

[Diatribe]

I hate to say it as it looks awfully cool, but it's definitely FAKE...

Look carefully at the title of Internet Explorer:
The screenshot shows "Internet Explorer: Apple - MacBook Gallery".

However, using Internet Explorer 7, the title bar should be:
"Apple - MacBook Family - Windows Internet Explorer"

See this:

http://static.flickr.com/45/173314772_7e505b9188.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=173314772&size=l

Not only is the text the wrong way round, but it is missing the word "Windows" too. And don't say it's hidden - if it is hidden behind the other window, it clearly isn't centred.

I guess the counter-argument is that Apple hide the word "Windows" =P But that seems too far fetched!

If you look carefully at the first screenshot you can see the end of the s of windows.
Besides, it being the other way around doesn't really make it fake for me.

[DougBTX]

In the first screenshot he/she is about to switch desktops (with this 1-2 selector thing), in the 2nd screenshot the switching is in progress. I think that it is very likely that these shots were taken only a few seconds apart.

Then you would expect to see the picture icon from the first screenshot on the desktop. If he took the time to move the image file somewhere else, the clock would have (probably) changed.

Dougals

[Scottyk9]

I hate to say it as it looks awfully cool, but it's definitely FAKE...

Look carefully at the title of Internet Explorer:
The screenshot shows "Internet Explorer: Apple - MacBook Gallery".

However, using Internet Explorer 7, the title bar should be:
"Apple - MacBook Family - Windows Internet Explorer"

See this:

http://static.flickr.com/45/173314772_7e505b9188.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=173314772&size=l

Not only is the text the wrong way round, but it is missing the word "Windows" too. And don't say it's hidden - if it is hidden behind the other window, it clearly isn't centred.

I guess the counter-argument is that Apple hide the word "Windows" =P But that seems too far fetched!

the counter arguement may be that the bar at the top is part of the "unified desktop" and the contents are from the "virtual machine"

but really, the details of whether this is real or fake pale in comparison to the implications of this - I find it far more fascinating to think about the consequences of Apple and Intel getting virtualization and a unified desktop with multiple VMs done right

[Diatribe]

So you are saying that I can run .exe files on Mac OSX? :confused:

That's what a true virtualization environment without emulation inside the OS itself would suggest.
A lot of patents, apps and rumors are also suggesting this. You would still need to install a copy of Windows though.

[Shunnabunich]

So you are saying that I can run .exe files on Mac OSX? :confused:
Not on any current versions of Mac OS X. The next version, 10.5 "Leopard", is rumoured to have this feature, and the screenshot was made to illustrate how it would look.

[Scottyk9]

So you are saying that I can run .exe files on Mac OSX? :confused:

post #89
read this

Edit: sorry, I mean this:
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

[4God]

That's what a true virtualization environment without emulation inside the OS itself would suggest.
A lot of patents, apps and rumors are also suggesting this. You would still need to install a copy of Windows though.


Ahhh, I got ya. So, would it seem then that this virtualization environment would use some sort of plug-in or driver to connect to windows in some fashion? - assuming maybe you have windows running in the background?

[Caitlyn]

Well, I don't think someone who didn't add a shadow to the IE 7 window would go out of their way to make that updated Address Book icon. Hmm...I'm really not sure about these. It'd be cool if this was real. I can't wait for Leopard! :)

[mcic1984]

If you look carefully at the first screenshot you can see the end of the s of windows.
Besides, it being the other way around doesn't really make it fake for me.

oh yea - point accepted. after trying to superimpose text on top using Keynote I would agree WINDOWS is there and is centred.. But why would the words just mysteriously switch order? It would have to be a conscious decision to switch things around... And all the more an odd decision because neither Safari nor Firefox displays the application name...

[4God]

post #89
read this

Edit: sorry, I mean this:
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/


Thanks, unified desktop. I like it. Still doesn't change my vote for fake though.
There are other factors invloved. The good news is that this does illustrate the potential for a very robust OS. :D

[mcic1984]

the counter arguement may be that the bar at the top is part of the "unified desktop" and the contents are from the "virtual machine"

but really, the details of whether this is real or fake pale in comparison to the implications of this - I find it far more fascinating to think about the consequences of Apple and Intel getting virtualization and a unified desktop with multiple VMs done right

True!! It would give a reason why they need to include the application name -- if the main title bar would be "Windows" or something - just like how Classic works...

Certainly can't wait to see Apple do some kind of virtualisation for Leopard!! Unfortunately things like this raises the stakes so much -- if a revamped version of Boot Camp came out, so many people would be sorely disappointed!

[Mainyehc]

I believe these screenshots are fake, and the reasons are:

1. It's not hard to make that Finder mock-up. I don't think that Safari-esque interface is the direction that Apple is taking. Though it looks believable, I don't find it intuitive enough.

It's not, but it looks damn real to me. Anyway, even if it's fake, I'm guessing it will look a lot like that on its finalized version.


2. The "Windows" text in "About This Mac" looks different from (less clear than) the other text. Making the window and adding the text is a simple task in Photoshop, and it looks like that's what was done here.

Yep, you're right on that one, this is the real deal-breaker. If you zoom in, you can clearly see that the above lines were displayed using sub-pixel rendering, as there's some slightly coloured pixels on them, unlike the "Windows XP with Service Pack 2", which appears to be grayscale (especially the "Windows" part.

3. The peephole transition effect doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense here. And the desktop selector (with the "1" and "2") doesn't seem like an Apple thing to do. I'd expect thumbnails of the desktops (maybe with the numbers overlaid). The peephole transition screenshot could be made easily with Keynote. The desktop selection menu bar item is black, whereas Apple's menu bar items are a dark grey (and the circle with a number in it is very simple to make).

I agree with you on the pager thing. It doesn't look too Apple-esque to me, in fact, even the already mentioned VirtueDesktops looks more like something Apple would do - I'm figuring Apple will pull a "Dashboard" on both this project and CodeTek Virtual Desktop :o . As for the transition, I'm hoping that Apple uses more sober effects than even those found on VirtueDesktops. I don't know if you have found the "suck" minimize effect, which is disabled by default (probably because it doesn't look very cool, and scale and genie are already one too many anyway), or if you noticed how they only include one transition effect for fast user switching? I'm guessing Apple won't exaggerate on this feature either (and yes, I personally think the ripple effect is cool, but this is a bit over the top. Just think about the analogies :p ).


Granted, if it's prerelease software, many of these details may not be in place or completed yet, but I find the appearance of the "Windows" text in "About This Mac" to be very fishy. Plus, Apple is well aware that making Windows apps run within OS X will completely open up OS X to viruses, spyware, etc. Boot Camp and virtualization are less likely to cause problems in this regard (though they're still risky).

I thought the same about that text, but was ignoring it because this'd be just pre-release software, but after further examination, it all adds up. As for running Windows apps, someone mentioned that a quarantine policy could be enforced; IMHO, Windows, OS X, and every other OS out there should have that kind of features built in already, much like the Dashboard sandboxing already found in Tiger.


So my conclusion is that these screenshots are probably fake, both visually and conceptually. Nice try, though. :P


Oh yeah. Apple hasn't ordered a cease-and-desist yet, either.


I agree they are fake, but they're also a very neat mock-up of some potential features that I and a lot of people here would appreciate a lot, if implemented properly. And I'm guessing many of them will appear eventually, if not in 10.5, in 10.6 or further, at least.

And by the way, when those Dashboard screenshots surfaced, Apple was also very quiet too. ;)

[Diatribe]

Ahhh, I got ya. So, would it seem then that this virtualization environment would use some sort of plug-in or driver to connect to windows in some fashion? - assuming maybe you have windows running in the background?

I think it work basically in the same fashion as the Core services are working at the moment (CoreAudio/video/etc.). So it would basically be a core process connecting the apps to the Windows process and therefore you'd be able to execute the apps "within" OS X.
That's my understanding anyway.

[jeriqo]

That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.

It is a Quicktime effect.

That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.

Huh ?
I've been using multiple desktop for years and never thought them side by side.
I've got 2 screens for that.

And this effect is integrated into Quicktime.
It can be used in various video editing programs.

Looks like a photoshopped Tiger screenshot.
The menu bar also did not change design with the "new os" as it usually has.

Probably not the first thing they change...

Also what's that nonsense about the IE7 window not having a shadow? It's there, take a look. It's not frontmost, so it has the small shadow.

Yes, the shadow IS here.
Non selected windows have a smaller shadow.

[Diatribe]

oh yea - point accepted. after trying to superimpose text on top using Keynote I would agree WINDOWS is there and is centred.. But why would the words just mysteriously switch order? It would have to be a conscious decision to switch things around... And all the more an odd decision because neither Safari nor Firefox displays the application name...

Who knows a) what version they are using b) if the virtualization changes things like that, as it's not a deeply integrated app feature but more of Windows itself.

[Peace]

This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=211307

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

This person is having a blast with folks here..

Same thing happened a few months ago with the "New MacBook photos"

[Diatribe]

This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=211307

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

This person is having a blast with folks here..

Same thing happened a few months ago with the "New MacBook photos"

Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.

[burgerboy9n]

No, it's not "today's" date. The 14th was a Saturday. The clock shows Wednesday. I don't know where Jan 14th comes from, the only relevent date I can think of would be the supposed 2007 release date (mid January 2007), and I can't think why that would be harded coded into the iCal icon...


put ical on your dock... it shows July 17th on my computer ... when you open it it updates.. close it and it goes back to july 17...

[Peace]

Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.

Oh I totally agree!!

It is fun to talk about whats coming..I just want to be sure people realize that what they see now may not be what they see later..And thus become dissapointed..

10.5 is going to knock our socks off!! ;)

[FF_productions]

I just have to jump in on this one, I think it would be crazy if Windows Xp ran aside OSX. A comment from that blogger's page: "The rumor is that because of the Apple/Microsoft IP cross licensing deal that was in effect under after the launch of XP, which would give Apple the legal right to implement the full Windows XP API natively in 10.5, Apple might be implementing just such functionality... which would allow IE7 to run essentially "natively" on OS X as though it were running on an XP box. No emulation, no dual boot... simply run the app and it runs just like it's on windows."

Bootcamp is in BETA right now, it's going to come standard with Leopard, and who knows how different it may look/run months from now. Leopard is about 6 months away, who knows how far Apple is in development with it. (The pic is fake in my opinion though)

[Diatribe]

Oh I totally agree!!

It is fun to talk about whats coming..I just want to be sure people realize that what they see now may not be what they see later..And thus become dissapointed..

10.5 is going to knock our socks off!! ;)

Yeah it wasn't meant to disregard what you said or anything, just saying that the important part is talking about what could be not if a picture has been altered or not. But good advising people to not get their hopes up, I agree. :)

[Cooknn]

Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.My thoughts exactly. I didn't get that excited about OS X Tiger - but I bought it. If Apple and Intel pull this off for Leopard I don't imagine they'll have too much trouble getting us to get on board with the forthcoming Intel Mac Pro's.

And, if the forgery is on the mark - notice how the Windows version of IE 7 does not have Windows minimize, maximize buttons, etc. That would kind of wreck it don't you think? I could see myself running the Windows verison of Quickbooks over the Mac version, but I wouldn't like having to look at Windows UI elements. Running Windows programs on my Mac is cool - running Windows however... Well, lets just say I want to keep it as invisible as possible ;)

[kevin.rivers]

I think it is fake. If that is the next look, i must say it looks pretty good and would be a nice change. It is going to look hot though, thats for sure.

THe peephole effect is stupid and ugly. I hope not.

All i know about 10.5 is that I cannot wait for it to be released.

Also, I hope they release 10.5 at WWDC.

[garfield2002]

My vote is for fake. :)

Reasons, just the different ones from those mentioned in this thread (please forgive me if I missed these in the posts):

1) In the peep hole, the window underneath is showing the entire path on the top. In my opinion this feature would get very messy very quickly as you delve down into more buried directories. The target OS X user would have no need to see this much information, it would just clutter the window.

2) The avaliable HD space shown is just a little to high for me. (Granted the drive could be huge!) But, the screenshot appears to be from a laptop. The biggest apple shipped drive is 120GB. (Granted you could switch the drives. However, if this is a development system, most compaines (Apple) would probably not look favorably on messing with their misson critical systems) This user has installed OS X, developers tools, iLife with Garageband, and a full copy of Windows on a spearate partition? There is still 68.42GB left. Lots of users complain about how big the OSX and iLife installs are by themselves.

3) The drives are too clean for a development system. With tabs labeled Core Windows, SDK, and Caches, the creator of these images wants us to believe that this is a development machine. I know that when I was writing code I had files everywhere (ie desktop). Can you serious believe that he/she cleaned up, just to take these screen shots.

I think that some of these concepts are good ideas which I'd like to see in the next version of OSX. However in my opinion this cannot be not a real screenshot of Leopard. :)

[boncellis]

Allow me to digress from the endless real/fake points and counterpoints to raise a different question--what does Leopard really need as a major OS update? For me, the list is short but important:

1. Improved Finder;

2. The ability to safely run Windows apps within OS X (the more seamless the better, obviously);

3. Network file synchronization (perhaps over Bonjour);

I'll probably remember a few more later on, but for now, rather than adding some minor bells and whistles I would really like to see Apple put resources into making the basics (finder, cross-platform functionality, networking) that much better. I don't remember the last time we were this close to a new OS update with little to no information about the upcoming features.

[plucas]

I think these are fake. Anybody else notice the similarities: http://www.karmasoup.org/demo/leopard_img02.jpg

[GodBless]

I still hope Apple will add this feature with Leopard:
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25972

[harveypooka]

And Dictionary?

I think it is a hoax, but if it stirs attention for Leopard, that's cool. It's been too long since an exciting OS release...

Me too. Fake. Not enough new funky looking stuff for my liking. I'm a graphics whore.

[akac]

It could be a fake or real. If its real remember that it would be on a dev machine or a "prototype" machine which can't be compared to current machines. Also being a dev myself and seeing Vista dev first hand, OS dev at this stage has many pieces being built by different groups that may not be merged in yet - with some parts running on current OS's just for stability sake. Almost* every "fake" point here is meaningless just because of that. Especially the ones about the keyhole anim being too much or an element not being perfect. If its real, its an alpha at best and its not going to be perfect and things like that are going to be rough.

I personally believe its fake, but that's mainly because I don't think Leapord will feature virtualization like that.

[kalisphoenix]

I like the looks of everything. It's almost certainly a fake (on sheer image-level stuff), but the concept looks great to me.

[treblah]

This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=211307

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

This person is having a blast with folks here..

Same thing happened a few months ago with the "New MacBook photos"

You could be right, but why did these show up on Digg (http://www.digg.com/apple/New_Leopard_screenshots_hint_at_desktop_switching,_Windows_compatibility) hours before being posted here?

And they were posted to the original Blogspot site at 11:42am yesterday. (I know this can be faked.) It seems more likely that macbookpro10 found these on Digg and copied them to his site. He even uses the same title from Digg in his post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2546018&postcount=1).

And it seems silly they would have messed up the DDR vs. DDR2 since they would have it right in front of them.

P.S. Mods, why wasn't the original thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=211307) used or merged?

[dhc]

This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=211307

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

Would've got away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids..

Like, zoinks, Scoobs..;)

[quigleybc]

- iLife '06 style user interface for Finder




Just wondering, What is "iLife 06" about that image of the finder?

[brepublican]

You could be right, but why did these show up on Digg (http://www.digg.com/apple/New_Leopard_screenshots_hint_at_desktop_switching,_Windows_compatibility) hours before being posted here?

And they were posted to the original Blogspot site at 11:42am yesterday. (I know this can be faked.) It seems more likely that macbookpro10 found these on Digg and copied them to his site. He even uses the same title from Digg in his post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2546018&postcount=1).

And it seems silly they would have messed up the DDR vs. DDR2 since they would have it right in front of them.

P.S. Mods, why wasn't the original thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=211307) used or merged?
Nah, I definitely smell a rat. There's something fishy going on here...

Fake.

[whenpaulsparks]

i think the IE7 title bar is a compelling reason to think it's fake. if you run darwine, which uses wine and runs the original EXE, it shows the same text in the mac title bar as the windows app would. granted, i haven't gotten IE7 to work under darwine, but it would act in a similar fashion, there is no reason for it to change. it would say the title of the HTML page followed by " - Windows Internet Explorer". if you think mac os x would add "Windows Internet Explorer: " before the title of the app to show what app it is, it would then be "Windows Internet Explorer: TITLE OF HTML PAGE - Windows Internet Explorer" because it CAN NOT change the title like that. the app puts the title there, not the OS, and it can not control that.

[faisal]

1024 x 640?

What machine is that?

[faisal]

1024 x 640?

What machine is that?

I hadn't noticed that the image is zoomed out. 2048 x 1280?

[markiv810]

I'm actually thinking real now, though there's good arguments against it. The peephole effect is easy to fake, but it's similar to one of the transitions in Keynote, which does lend it some credibility. The version of Windows is the main sticking point for me, because I don't think it'd be listed that way, but it's possible. I'm also curious about that new icon, since it wasn't mentioned, it's just kinda sitting down there. Lends some more credibility to the idea that this is really someone running the beta, I think.

jW

One could use iMaginator or even Apple's Core Image Fun House for getting that peephole effect is pretty easy to get that effect too.

[FF_productions]

I hadn't noticed that the image is zoomed out. 2048 x 1280?

More reason to believe it's a fake, I'm not going to even bother anymore...

The only thing we know is that Leopard is the next OS and that bootcamp is going to play a big role in it...

[Peace]

I and my brother have Vista dual-booting with OS X and when IE7 is open to the Apple page in question it doesn't show the title the same way the "screenshot" does..

[Mainyehc]

The Finder:

1. Someone mentioned that the "pill" button was missing from the Finder window: the Panther and Tiger Finder uses the same interface from iLife '03/'04 and even though there aren't collapsable toolbars on any of the "iApps", the Finder has that button, and it not only collapses the titlebar, but also changes its whole appearance, in a fairly inconsistent way with the rest of the Aqua interface. In Leopard, I'm guessing Apple could make it behave the way it should, by scrapping the "classic" Finder interface altogether, but eliminating the button and the features themselves seems just weird.

2. The shortcuts on the sidebar are too spaced: maybe Apple is changing the way those icons are displayed (by, say, spacing them evenly across the avaliable space), but that just seems incoherent with both the old finder, and the new apps like iLife '06 and Mail. It doesnt "feel right".

3. The "/" on the slash button: it seems to be too dark, at least when compared to the gear icon. Notice how the gear icon is lighter at the top, where the "glossy shine" is, whereas the "/" isn't. Besides, the slash doesn't fit with the Aqua desktop paradigm; I could more easily envision a path field like in Windows Explorer or the address field on Safari, than a useless makeover to the already functional "path" button/menu.

4. The down arrows on the "bookmarks" bar: they are too big, at least when compared with the ones found in Safari. While Apple many times presents inconsistent interfaces, I'm guessing that if the tabs look so much like the ones found in Safari, the rest of the interface should at least be equally consistent.


The desktop switcher pager: It looks fugly. And that circled desktop number on the titlebar doesn't look too good either. All in all, I think that's all too abstract for my (and most Mac users') taste. 'Nuff said.


The Internet Explorer window: while I think the shadows are correct, since it isn't the topmost window, it presents a glitch for that very reason that is a dead giveaway. OS X has a rare interface bug: sometimes, the inactive titlebar of a window becomes pearly white (like the active titlebars in the gorgeous MaxThemes' Milk theme) instead of pinstriped; I only know of two apps that present that bug, and those are IRCle, and... [drumroll please] TextEdit (only when you open the Font or Table panels and select them - see attachment)! Now, TextEdit is possibly the best app to fake titlebars and photochop something into its main document windows. This small detail just reveals some sloppyness from the faker's part ;) . Besides, notice how the left-hand side of the IE toolbar is conveniently covered by the Finder window... That, allied to the blank desktop picture, as someone already mentioned, makes the job so much easier!

[edit: the plot thickens a little bit (or I thickened it in the first place just to create a conspiracy theory :p ). It just struck me that actually, when that bug occurs, the title remains in black, instead of turning grey... However (and I don't care that it may seem that I'm obsessed about proving these images are fake), upon closer inspection of the IE 7 toolbar, I just noticed that the title is just too big in size. Look at my screenshot for comparison and notice how on the IE 7 screenshot the title's baseline is too close to the lower end of the titlebar.]

The desktop picture: I just mentioned that it is blank, right? Now look closely at the second picture, the one with the transition that resembles "Goat SE" (like Win98, only uglier :D - also notice how they funnily hit the black MacBook right in the middle of its screen... Ok, I should shut up now :cool: ), and through that... hole thing, you can clearly see the default Tiger desktop picture. Since you can't see its corners, again, that makes it much easier to fake, so the blank desktop wasn't needed.

On a side note: the faker had the Dasboard developer mode activated, as you can see the top-left corner of the Google widget peaking through that "hole", right beneath the Finder window. I don't know why someone would want to have the Google widget floating above all the other windows... But one thing I DO know: I sometimes do that with the "Stickies" widget, and ironically enough, I found all widgets are "sticky" as far as VirtueDesktops and Desktop Manager are concerned. I don't know how they behave with CodeTek Virtual Desktop, but I don't see why should Apple's desktop switcher behave differently (on the first screenshot there's no Google widget, which makes me believe those desktops couldn't possibly coexist).


So, I don't even need to describe the process of faking this, as the ingredients used are thouroghly described here, and those which aren't are preety obvious (iLife apps, Safari and Finder frankensteined together)... Also, where are the full-size images? :rolleyes:

[4np]

Another reason why this is probably faked...

In the "About This Mac" window, the Windows version is listed as "XP with Service Pack 2".

Seems unlikely since the name of "Windows XP SP2" is never presented this way in Windows and this rendition doesn't provide more useful info about the Windows build number or even mention "Microsoft".

I think that Microsoft would insist that they get billing in that window.

Along with the version number being "10.5" with no build info, this is definitely fake.

Yeah I agree, that definately is something what you would not expect. I would say these are fake as well...

[4God]

From another thread started on this topic:

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think this is fake.

If you look at the About This Mac in that, it says:

Processor 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo

Memory 1 GB DDR SDRAM

Startup Disk Macintosh HD

Windows XP with Service Pack 2

There is no Intel Mac that has a 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo that uses DDR RAM, they use DDR2 RAM. The MacBook Pro and iMac are the only that are available with 2.16 GHz processors and use DDR2 RAM.

[celebrian23]

Originally Posted by oldMac
Another reason why this is probably faked...

In the "About This Mac" window, the Windows version is listed as "XP with Service Pack 2".

Seems unlikely since the name of "Windows XP SP2" is never presented this way in Windows and this rendition doesn't provide more useful info about the Windows build number or even mention "Microsoft".

I think that Microsoft would insist that they get billing in that window.

Along with the version number being "10.5" with no build info, this is definitely fake

I think the fact the word microsoft never appears is proof in and of itself this is fake. No way microsoft would let apple not mention them anywhere

[4God]

I think the fact the word microsoft never appears is proof in and of itself this is fake. No way microsoft would let apple not mention them anywhere


Agreed. Plus I think we would see at least 10.5.0 in the build. Not only that, but
did Stevie say that Leopard would be 10.5? Aren't we currently at 10.4.6? Leopard
might even be 10.4.8, don't you think?

[brepublican]

Agreed. Plus I think we would see at least 10.5.0 in the build. Not only that, but
did Stevie say that Leopard would be 10.5? Aren't we currently at 10.4.6? Leopard
might even be 10.4.8, don't you think?
Dude, c'mon.

[4God]

Dude, c'mon.

And? :confused: I'm just asking, what's your deal? Last I checked, this is a forum.

[Mainyehc]

Just wondering, What is "iLife 06" about that image of the finder?

The non-brushed metal texture of the window and the almost square corners... Sure, it was introduced originally in iTunes 5, but was eventually extended to the rest of the iLife suite...

[brepublican]

And? :confused: I'm just asking, what's your deal? Last I checked, this is a forum.
Sorry, my bad. Just thought it was a foregone conclusion about major OS X updates... it just kinda came out.

[4God]

Sorry, my bad. Just thought it was a foregone conclusion about major OS X updates... it just kinda came out.


All good then. :)

I think we're all just a little anxious for Leopard. :D

[Super Dave]

Allow me to digress from the endless real/fake points and counterpoints to raise a different question--what does Leopard really need as a major OS update? For me, the list is short but important:

1. Improved Finder;

2. The ability to safely run Windows apps within OS X (the more seamless the better, obviously);

3. Network file synchronization (perhaps over Bonjour);


1. FTP upload in Finder
2. Yahoo/MSN support in iChat (if only text and file sharing)
3. Spotlight Advanced Search (and/or, but not, etc)

I'll think of more later too, but those are at the top of my list.

David :cool:

[brepublican]

All good then. :)

I think we're all just a little anxious for Leopard. :D
:D Thats for damn sure!!

[ifjake]

Without reading through the 7 previous pages and possibly repeating stuff, I think it's real. Internet Explorer is from a windows emulation/translation thing, which from the looks of it, might be able to run windows apps without booting up all of windows (the text looks like it's windows font generated via windows, so maybe the kernel and then pieces of stuff are activated as they are deemed necessary). The numbers refer to a virtual desktop, which to me seems like a gimmicky feature put in just so that Jobs has something to show people. I never liked it too much. Address book and iCal have been merged (i don't necessarily agree with this, takes away some of the simplicity). And the Finder has been messed with (don't really care how it looks as long as it's faster now). The reason I think this is true is because whatever version this is is probably a beta of some sorts, so the inconsistencies that people are nitpicking about and using as evidence of fake-ness are yet to really be smoothed out. I don't think the menubar should be changed. It's fine as it is.

[ham_man]

In the Finder window, wouldn't there be a small little clear box to minimize the toolbar, if these screenshots were real...? Every app I can think of but iTunes and Safari have that little box, except for Finder modified by Uno...

[RichP]

I hadn't noticed that the image is zoomed out. 2048 x 1280?

1024 x 640?

What machine is that?

Its the same ratio as 1680x1050; which makes the "machine" this was running on a 17" MBP or 20"iMac.

Although it does have a lot of good elements, and this thing has been thoroughly dissected here, my "fake" observation is this:

If OSX is running Windows apps the way they are depicted, where is OSX grabbing the icons for in the dock? Windows apps dont have icons with high enough resolution for the apple dock, do they? (I know Vista will support high res icons)

If it was real or fake, we can figure out a date of late may for these screengrabs, based on the apple page displayed in IE.

[treblah]

So are we all just waiting for 'Attack of the Show! (http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/index.html)' to admit to this?

As said before, no Apple Legal request = fake in my book.

[fenixx]

Hmm, instead of deciphering the screenshots; how about the fact that Apple [Legal] has allowed them to stay up for over 12? hours and done nothing.

edit: repeated, ah well.

[Superdrive]

Not exact, but look what 5 min does...

[k2k koos]

I am not sure, some windows applications currently do not have the shadow effect, or may not be suported in this version of Leopard.
I'm in doubt, both the real and the fake side have credibility to me.
Aside from that, if the features shown are real, then the Mac OS will have a very bright future indeed, more than currently the case!

[4God]

I wish the faker would've posted a shot of the screen when clicking the
"More Info..." button in the "About This Mac" window. ;)

[oliverlubin]

not sure if this has been pointed out, but if you look at the list if "files" in the Documents folder that's being reviled there are only folders listed. what are the chances that documents folder only contain folders.

then again, maybe that's a new feature, in tree view you can do order-by too.

edit: oh, and the Administrator user folder is missing in the shortcuts.

[stunna]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2196/rofl3dt.jpg

[Diatribe]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2196/rofl3dt.jpg

:D

[boncellis]

1. FTP upload in Finder
2. Yahoo/MSN support in iChat (if only text and file sharing)
3. Spotlight Advanced Search (and/or, but not, etc)

I'll think of more later too, but those are at the top of my list.

David :cool:

Any or all of those would be fantastic. When I mentioned the Finder I was referring to the interface, but FTP upload/download functionality and boolean Spotlight searches would be more than welcome.

Also Mail has to get faster, and iChat, like you mention, would be more useful if they would bite the bullet and allow MSN compatibility.

They let Windows run on Macs, what's the big deal about adding MSN compatibility?

[p0intblank]

While these are probably fake, I must say that they are very well done. Props to whoever made these up...

All the ideas in those screen shots, by the way, seem really nice. I would love the ability to run Windows programs natively without having to reboot. It'd be great for games. :D

[RichP]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2196/rofl3dt.jpg

OMGWTFBBQ!

ROTFL!

(very nice!)

[Mr. Dee]

Ok, I promised a friend I wouldn't do this, but I have to, just to prove the current screenshots are not real. These are the real ones I will show you. The first thing you will notice with 10.5, Apple has done away completely with pin stripe, it does not exist, its a cleaner look and feel, also, there is a small take on using translucency in certain parts of the UI. But this is for inactive windows as can be seen in the About This Mac dialog box. The dock also reflects this but is permanent throughout the user session, its a subtle change, in active icons seem greyed out on the Dock, while running icons are brighter, this is considered to be a Visual cue.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9674/os519hc.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os519hc.png) http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/566/os52md.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os52md.png) http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4978/os524ib.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os524ib.png)

The biggest change has to be the Leopard version of Boot camp, actually, its nothing like boot camp, its way superior, its Virtualization running at the hardware level, no drop in performance, of course, XP and 2000 are assigned with 128 and 64 MBs of RAM respectively. Of course, some of this might change by WWDC since these screenshots are from March around the same time Boot Camp for 10.4 was released. There is expected to be a whole lot more coming, but, currently, OS switching is probably the biggest right now. I have a screenshot of the new Finder, its a bit too ugly right now and its a work in progress, you don't want to see it, trust me, and its not brush metal either.

Other noticeable things, Recycle bin, not on the Dock by default it seems, although I don't know if this is user intervention.

[dagger01]

Ok, I'd say this was real and not Photoshop faked. Let me rebut the fake comments:

1. The Internet Explorer window is missing a shadow on the right-hand side

Actually, it's not. If you look closely the shadow is there, it's the same size as the shadow on the other non-active window, About This Mac. Notice I said non-active window. The shadow size difference may be a new feature for active and non-active windows.

Of particular note in the first screen shot is that Internet Explorer has been revised for the Mac! MS dropped IE for the Mac many years ago. If it's back it does lend some credence to the rumors of a renewed collaboration between MS and Apple. It may even mean that the rumors of a Yellow Box (Mac APIs) for Windows and a Red Box (Windows APIs) for Mac OS are quite true. We'll have to stay tuned on that one. It will probably be announced at WWDC.

2. Typically the About This Mac box has a build number for development versions

Ummm...Not lately. Apple removed the build numbers from that screen a while back. I haven't noticed them there for quite some time, even on the pre-release builds of 10.4.x updates. I'll verify that tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure they stopped doing that in 10.4.

All-in-all, looking good. I'm guessing that the person that posted these is Apple internal, as they haven't let it off campus yet to my knowledge.

[Peace]

Ok, I promised a friend I wouldn't do this, but I have to, just to prove the current screenshots are not real. These are the real ones I will show you. The first thing you will notice with 10.5, Apple has done away completely with pin stripe, it does not exist, its a cleaner look and feel, also, there is a small take on using translucency in certain parts of the UI. But this is for inactive windows as can be seen in the About This Mac dialog box. The dock also reflects this but is permanent throughout the user session, its a subtle change, in active icons seem greyed out on the Dock, while running icons are brighter, this is considered to be a Visual cue.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8432/os517nw.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os517nw.png) http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1174/os54fz.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os54fz.png) http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/977/os521ys.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os521ys.png)

The biggest change has to be the Leopard version of Boot camp, actually, its nothing like boot camp, its way superior, its Virtualization running at the hardware level, no drop in performance, of course, XP and 2000 are assigned with 128 and 64 MBs of RAM respectively. Of course, some of this might change by WWDC since these screenshots are from March around the same time Boot Camp for 10.4 was released. There is expected to be a whole lot more coming, but, currently, OS switching is probably the biggest right now. I have a screenshot of the new Finder, its a bit too ugly right now and its a work in progress, you don't want to see it, trust me, and its not brush metal either.

Other noticeable things, Recycle bin, not on the Dock by default it seems, although I don't know if this is user intervention.


Man can't people even get the friggin memory type correct in their fakes?

[jettredmont]

Then you would expect to see the picture icon from the first screenshot on the desktop. If he took the time to move the image file somewhere else, the clock would have (probably) changed.

Dougals

You know you can change where pics get saved, right? Also, there are other desktop image capture utilities than the built-in one.

From the lack of clutter on the desktop, I'd guess this particular individual has already figured out how to get screen grabs from descending to his desktop.

[jettredmont]

i think the IE7 title bar is a compelling reason to think it's fake. if you run darwine, which uses wine and runs the original EXE, it shows the same text in the mac title bar as the windows app would. granted, i haven't gotten IE7 to work under darwine, but it would act in a similar fashion, there is no reason for it to change. it would say the title of the HTML page followed by " - Windows Internet Explorer". if you think mac os x would add "Windows Internet Explorer: " before the title of the app to show what app it is, it would then be "Windows Internet Explorer: TITLE OF HTML PAGE - Windows Internet Explorer" because it CAN NOT change the title like that. the app puts the title there, not the OS, and it can not control that.

Are you sure about that? It's been a while since I've done any MFC crap, but it seems like you would give two values for the window (depending on the windowing model): the app name and the document name. Windows added the dash and put the app name at the end. That's why Windows apps are consistent in that particular manner.

Seems like the developer just got the two strings backwards when displaying the title bar.

[hyperpasta]

Ok, I promised a friend I wouldn't do this, but I have to, just to prove the current screenshots are not real. These are the real ones I will show you. The first thing you will notice with 10.5, Apple has done away completely with pin stripe, it does not exist, its a cleaner look and feel, also, there is a small take on using translucency in certain parts of the UI. But this is for inactive windows as can be seen in the About This Mac dialog box. The dock also reflects this but is permanent throughout the user session, its a subtle change, in active icons seem greyed out on the Dock, while running icons are brighter, this is considered to be a Visual cue.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8432/os517nw.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os517nw.png) http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1174/os54fz.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os54fz.png) http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/977/os521ys.th.png (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os521ys.png)

The biggest change has to be the Leopard version of Boot camp, actually, its nothing like boot camp, its way superior, its Virtualization running at the hardware level, no drop in performance, of course, XP and 2000 are assigned with 128 and 64 MBs of RAM respectively. Of course, some of this might change by WWDC since these screenshots are from March around the same time Boot Camp for 10.4 was released. There is expected to be a whole lot more coming, but, currently, OS switching is probably the biggest right now. I have a screenshot of the new Finder, its a bit too ugly right now and its a work in progress, you don't want to see it, trust me, and its not brush metal either.

Other noticeable things, Recycle bin, not on the Dock by default it seems, although I don't know if this is user intervention.

Now how the hell do you expect us to beleive those if we dissect a very good fake like the one in the OP? Puh-lease.

[MBHockey]

About the originals: Tabbed Finder Windows? C'mon. It simply makes no sense from a UI standpoint.

And those pics posted a few posts up...c'mon man...

[joebells]

What does microsoft have to do with what apple puts in there? Apple may not want microsofts name appearing all over their os putting their name in your head over and over.

I think the fact the word microsoft never appears is proof in and of itself this is fake. No way microsoft would let apple not mention them anywhere

[celebrian23]

It's a microsoft product, apple doesn't have much of a choice. XP belongs to microsoft.

[jettredmont]

Its the same ratio as 1680x1050; which makes the "machine" this was running on a 17" MBP or 20"iMac.

Although it does have a lot of good elements, and this thing has been thoroughly dissected here, my "fake" observation is this:

If OSX is running Windows apps the way they are depicted, where is OSX grabbing the icons for in the dock? Windows apps dont have icons with high enough resolution for the apple dock, do they? (I know Vista will support high res icons)


Standard Windows icons are at 32, 48, 64, 96, and 128 pixels square. So, yes, they are plenty big enough for a little Dock icon.

Vista introduces display of 256-pixel icons. IE 7 being a Vista project (compiled for XP, but primarily a Vista component) would include the 256-pixel version of the icon in its resources, and so it's possible OS X is able to use the large icons too. But, again, I don't think those icons are any larger than 128-pix (without actually getting out my ruler and measuring them :) ).

[dongmin]

Question for all the WINErs out there: Does 'Windows' need its own partition/drive like in alleged screen shot or do the .exe simply reside in the Applications folder of OS X?

To me, it doesn't make sense to have a separate volume for WINDOWS stuff when in fact OS X can run the Windows APIs natively (without any kind of virtualization blah blah blah). Having a separate Windows volume makes sense only if you're keeping everything separate, as in a guest OS or dual boot situation.

If I remember correctly, the system components of Classic resided in the OS X system directory and all classic apps resided in the Applications directory like all other apps.

[Will_reed]

Although the idea of windows apps nativley running in OS X sounds kinda cool at first I think this could be the end of mac ports and maybe even native mac apps.

[digitalslump]

What's that button connected to the action button in the Finder? What function could it have? Any ideas?

Real? Yes, because i'm a believer and i do think it's apple style.

[jettredmont]

About the originals: Tabbed Finder Windows? C'mon. It simply makes no sense from a UI standpoint.


Why not?

IMHO, looking at these "Leopard" Finder pics and the PathFinder windows on my Mac and I can't help but notice some familiar cues, like the tabbed browsing (someone else did that prior to PathFinder) and shortcut drop-downs. They work quite well in a file browser. In fact, I rarely have more than one PathFinder window open, but 3-6 tabs are almost always being used.

Tabbed file browsing ... if you really don't think it's useful, you're in for a major surprise.

[Leondunkleyc]

Although it does have a lot of good elements, and this thing has been thoroughly dissected here, my "fake" observation is this:

If OSX is running Windows apps the way they are depicted, where is OSX grabbing the icons for in the dock? Windows apps dont have icons with high enough resolution for the apple dock, do they? (I know Vista will support high res icons).

This is just an educated guess but I think that IE7 has a high resolution image (assuming the pics are real) because it is being deisgned with all of the other new apps for Vista. That means that the icon used for XP is the same used for Vista.

That said, I think that the images are fake, (especially the ones posted by Hyperpasta) it's just too unlikely and I think that there are a few subtle mistakes already mentioned by others, and the fact that apple legal doesn't seem to be doing anything about it.

EDIT: Oops, Jettredmont mentioned it first.

[loft3]

If they were real, Apple would have issued a cease and desist letter by now. The pics are still up. They are fake.

[maxvamp]

Wait for Apple Legal to make everybody take them down. :D

Max.

[jettredmont]

Question for all the WINErs out there: Does 'Windows' need its own partition/drive like in alleged screen shot or do the .exe simply reside in the Applications folder of OS X?

To me, it doesn't make sense to have a separate volume for WINDOWS stuff when in fact OS X can run the Windows APIs natively (without any kind of virtualization blah blah blah). Having a separate Windows volume makes sense only if you're keeping everything separate, as in a guest OS or dual boot situation.

If I remember correctly, the system components of Classic resided in the OS X system directory and all classic apps resided in the Applications directory like all other apps.

No. First, if you have a Windows machine handy, saunter on over to the "C:\Program Files" folder. There aren't any apps, just a bunch more folder here for the most part. Now pick one or two of those folders and look inside them.

Windows applications aren't organized like OS X apps are. They have no concept of "bundling", and it's fairly common that a single folder under C:\Program Folders will contain multiple different applications, a handful of helper tools that aren't meant to be run by the user, and sometimes (against HIG, but still) even preference settings data.

It'd be a major effort to cajole that mess into the nice, neat "Applications" folder idiom.

Also, maybe you don't remember, but it seems to me that Classic applications all got their own "Applications (OS 9)" folder (or some similar name) to keep them separated from their native cousins. Granted, you could install them pretty much anywhere, but the default was to keep them segregated.

[ClimbingTheLog]

Here's the bottom-right corner of the IE7 window with the contrast enhanced so you old men can see the shadow:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1199/windowshadow6eg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

who needs freakin M$ to develop anything for Mac? Its the IE7 for Windows and OS X runs it natively!

Yeah, the MacBU is gone when this is released. Maybe they can get jobs at Apple on the new campus.

[dongmin]

No. First, if you have a Windows machine handy, saunter on over to the "C:\Program Files" folder. There aren't any apps, just a bunch more folder here for the most part. Now pick one or two of those folders and look inside them.

Windows applications aren't organized like OS X apps are. They have no concept of "bundling", and it's fairly common that a single folder under C:\Program Folders will contain multiple different applications, a handful of helper tools that aren't meant to be run by the user, and sometimes (against HIG, but still) even preference settings data.

It'd be a major effort to cajole that mess into the nice, neat "Applications" folder idiom.

Also, maybe you don't remember, but it seems to me that Classic applications all got their own "Applications (OS 9)" folder (or some similar name) to keep them separated from their native cousins. Granted, you could install them pretty much anywhere, but the default was to keep them segregated.My question was more about how WINE, or DARWINE more specifically, handles Windows apps. I actually do have a Windows box handy so I'm generally familiar with the organization of Windows.

As I said before, Classic didn't require its own volume. In fact, the system components had to reside in the OS X System directory.

The alledged screen grab is clearly implying a DARWINE type setup, not a virtualization or dual boot setup. That's why I asked about how Windows .exes are treated under DARWINE.

[ClimbingTheLog]

If you design websites, you might want IE. Also, some pages won't work if you're not in IE :p

Yeah, all the ones with malware. :mad:

I hope its not real. Native windows support is what killed OS/2. They look convincing, you gotta give the guy credit, but Apple isn't this stupid.

OS/2 didn't have any compelling advantages over Windows for the average user. OSX has iLife, sex and security.

About the originals: Tabbed Finder Windows? C'mon. It simply makes no sense from a UI standpoint.

Ever copy files between two windows when you had 8 open and the one you were looking for was stacked somewhere behind the others and then you move and resize windows until you can see your source and destinations? This would help.

The NeXT Dock with real file references was better though.

Question for all the WINErs out there: Does 'Windows' need its own partition/drive like in alleged screen shot or do the .exe simply reside in the Applications folder of OS X?

Yeah, you specify a 'root' folder for your C: drive. I never really cared for that aspect of WINE but Windows' architecture makes it the least bad solution. Apple probably found that out as well.

[zach]

I have a bad track record with rumours - but I say fake.

On the second image, the windows still have a shadow mid-animation. On current versions of OS X, doing any sort of CoreImage type effects, the shadows disappear for the duration of the animation.

Hold down shift to slow down the animations of minimising to the dock, and "show all windows" in exposé - you should be able to see this effect :)

that's not true. it's true on ::many:: effects, but not all of them. for instance, expose show desktop keeps shadows. so does dashboard.

not sure if this has been pointed out, but if you look at the list if "files" in the Documents folder that's being reviled there are only folders listed. what are the chances that documents folder only contain folders.

my documents folder only has folders inside it. i like being neat, i subfile everything.

[reyesmac]

I like all the new features I see so that tells me that this is fake. Apple would never give me everything I want in a new OS all at once. Or maybe they will, except they will make it a requirement to have an intel processor mac for 80% of the good stuff. Come to think of it, maybe this is real.

[Janmansilver]

It has to be fake because for instance the about mac window uses subpixel rendering for the fonts on the menu bar but not the text it self in the window. On my system both the text on the menubar and the text in the about window uses subpixel rendering.

The screen shots have been shrinked in size in order to hide this, but it is still noticable if you zoom in.

[andrewag]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the alignment of the Windows part of the About this Mac window is off by a couple of pixels, and the space between lines is as well.

There is no TM after Windows as well.

[Unorthodox]

Here's the bottom-right corner of the IE7 window with the contrast enhanced so you old men can see the shadow:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1199/windowshadow6eg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Im not sure I like your attitude sonny!

I think it's fake.
One reason is because there is a battery percentage icon in the menu bar.
Meaning it's a laptop.
You would would think that they would be using desktops.
Second reason: I don't think Apple will do multiple desktops. To complicated.
Not enough people would use it.
Third: I don't think Apple will combine Address Book and iCal.
They are completely different apps. One keeps track of peoples personal information, and the other keeps track of your schedule.
Im also skeptical about running Windows apps in OS X.
It's a good idea sure, but Apple seems to have already jumped on the Boot Camp bandwagon.
Plus, the menu bar would be different if it was Leopard.

[noneis]

I have a pal who works for intel guys, and trust me, you will have full virtualization cpabilities in place with Leapord. The technology itself has been running for a while now. Also, to those saying this is an ez fake, I am a designer and pretty darn good with photoshop. If you know anything about 72 dpi graphics, they dont scale or distort well when you stretch them or scale them up, the interpolation that happens would destroy these images. Don't belive me? Test it for yourself, Take a screen cap and drop a pinch filter on it, then cut a hole in teh middle and twirl the edges, effectivly recreating what we are seeing. Notice how bad elements like the edges of the finder and horizontal divider lines look when you do this?

This seems more like a very effective use of technology that has exsited in the development packages for Tiger since day one, did we all forget about core image? Wether the pinhole idea is good or not, thats a whole other topic.

[The Truth]

Here is the "go to" button in action...

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1221/3225/1600/leopard_img03.png

[Unorthodox]

Here is the "go to" button in action...
Needs rounder edges; and the color is all wrong=Fake.

[The Truth]

Needs rounder edges; and the color is all wrong.

ok, thanks. I'll tell Steve.

[Unorthodox]

ok, thanks. I'll tell Steve.
Tell him I said "Hi". ;)

[2nyRiggz]

That hole thing scare the *beep* out of me...


Bless

[inkswamp]

Gut instinct here is that these are probably fake, but I can't latch on to anything that makes it definitive. If they're fakes, they're very impressive ones.

A few responses to various comments.

The second pic shows some kind of a transition to different desktop and the dock is not included in the transition as well as as the menu bar. This is just a background image that someone is using.

It appears to be a desktop switcher. If that's the case, then logically the dock and menu bar shouldn't be changing. They would stay the same. What you're describing actually supports the idea that these are real.

Apple doesn't think people are bright enough to have a 2 button trackpad, but they're going to support multiple desktops?!

You're sure Apple doesn't do multiple buttons because they don't think people are bright enough? They do it because their concept of the mouse has always been one button. It forces the developers to do more logical UI design instead of relying on the "just put it in a contextual menu" crutch that is so annoying on Windows. Also, Apple has loads of advanced features that are turned off by default. I would imagine that using multiple desktops would require a trip to the system preferences.

Aside from 7 of us nerds here at MacRumors who've used unix iterations with this who in the real world would even get that concept?

Don't be so condescending. It adds nothing to the discussion.

OS9 wasn't windows.

Thankfully!

No, it isn't likely, because Jan. 14, 2006 was a friday, and Jan. 14, 2007 will be a sunday. The menubar reads "Wed 11:26 AM", so the icon couldn't possibly reflect a current date

But in the screenshot, iCal/Address Book isn't running and would likely display an incorrect default date like the current iCal icon does.

[dongmin]

I have a pal who works for intel guys, and trust me, you will have full virtualization cpabilities in place with Leapord. The technology itself has been running for a while now.Care to elaborate? What does "full virtualization capabilities" mean anyway? We have three options:

1. Dual Boot (currently available)

2. Virtualization (currently available via Parallels although with limited support for USB, graphics, etc. hardware)

3. WINE-type compatibility layer (not yet working with Intel Macs, AFAIK)

As I've mentioned before, #3 is what's suggested by the screenshots. I'm not sure what Intel has anything to do with implementing Windows APIs under OS X. Where Intel would come into play is if Apple was implementing Parallels-type virtualization built into Leopard. But that's something different from these screenshots.

[Scottyk9]

3. WINE-type compatibility layer (not yet working with Intel Macs, AFAIK)

As I've mentioned before, #3 is what's suggested by the screenshots. I'm not sure what Intel has anything to do with implementing Windows APIs under OS X. Where Intel would come into play is if Apple was implementing Parallels-type virtualization built into Leopard. But that's something different from these screenshots.

This link has been posted several times in this thread, and provides some explanation to your #3
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/

[rainmanbk]

I think we're thinking about it the wrong way.

Maybe the screenshots were doctored in order to make us think they aren't real?

[Axeon]

If these were indeed real, we wouldn't see one or two screenshots with plausible Photoshop explanations. We'd see a gallery of 20-30 pictures with all of the new features, such as this new iCal/Address Book app, the updated Spotlight, more windows apps being run, and at this point there are bound to be more GUI changes than what the fake shows, especially since WWDC is in August.

Chances are, if you have to ask if they're real or fake, they're probably fake, lest we forget the infamous iPod video photos.

[allgeek]

Greetings,

Strangly after reading all these pages of comments and the bashing of the inclusion of the windows version in the about this mac, the BootCamp/Windows icon has not been brought up in any way, did anyone else notice this in the status/apple bar except me? Lends minor credibility to a Kext/Kernel system for Windows Compatibility....

aG

[Jwalker9]

Anybody notice that the apple logo in the top left corner is the same design as Tiger? Don't think Apple would let us down by failing to give us a new colored Apple. I say fake.

[yg17]

Anybody notice that the apple logo in the top left corner is the same design as Tiger? Don't think Apple would let us down by failing to give us a new colored Apple. I say fake.

I say its fake, but not for that reason. The Apple in the corner has remained relatively unchanged since 10.0

[Jwalker9]

I say its fake, but not for that reason. The Apple in the corner has remained relatively unchanged since 10.0

Relatively unchanged, but changed indeed in each version of OSX. Look back, they change tints, become less glossy, etc. I know its a detail, but it looks like a detail the creator forgot about.

[brepublican]

Ok, I promised a friend I wouldn't do this, but I have to, just to prove the current screenshots are not real. These are the real ones I will show you. The first thing you will notice with 10.5, Apple has done away completely with pin stripe, it does not exist, its a cleaner look and feel, also, there is a small take on using translucency in certain parts of the UI. But this is for inactive windows as can be seen in the About This Mac dialog box. The dock also reflects this but is permanent throughout the user session, its a subtle change, in active icons seem greyed out on the Dock, while running icons are brighter, this is considered to be a Visual cue.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9674/os519hc.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os519hc.png) http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/566/os52md.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os52md.png) http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4978/os524ib.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os524ib.png)

The biggest change has to be the Leopard version of Boot camp, actually, its nothing like boot camp, its way superior, its Virtualization running at the hardware level, no drop in performance, of course, XP and 2000 are assigned with 128 and 64 MBs of RAM respectively. Of course, some of this might change by WWDC since these screenshots are from March around the same time Boot Camp for 10.4 was released. There is expected to be a whole lot more coming, but, currently, OS switching is probably the biggest right now. I have a screenshot of the new Finder, its a bit too ugly right now and its a work in progress, you don't want to see it, trust me, and its not brush metal either.

Other noticeable things, Recycle bin, not on the Dock by default it seems, although I don't know if this is user intervention.
Congratulations on winning the worst fake ever award. I'll go home and weep for you.

[Harpo]

The lack of a shadow on the right side of the Windows IE7 window is not a legitimate complaint — put one of your own OS X windows in the background, take a snapshot and shrink the image, you'll see. In the Leopard shot, there is a slight shadow on the right — try looking close with Cmd-Opt-8.

Good attention to detail, if it is a fake.

[SeaFox]

Also, some pages won't work if you're not in IE

yeah, poorly coded ones.

Yup, and that's exactly why we DON'T want Windows IE running natively on a Mac. With Mac users numbers growing and more people dumping IE on the Windows side for Firefox or Opera, the number of users who can view the pages correctly is going down. At somepoint there's going to be a tipping point where coding for Windows IE wont be "good enough" coding.

IE's slow fall is helping the internet become the platform agnostic place it was supposed to be until the first Browser Wars.

[Leondunkleyc]

Yeah, that definitely looks like an integrated iCal/Address Book app.

It just sent a tingle up my spine! Because if they do that, the next step is integrated mail/calendar/address book in a single app. Mmmmm, the tantalizing thought of Apple groupware!
Hmmm, I don't know, it would remind me too much of Entourage (I have an irrational fear of all Microsoft apps :p )

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Yup, and that's exactly why we DON'T want Windows IE running natively on a Mac. With Mac users numbers growing and more people dumping IE on the Windows side for Firefox or Opera, the number of users who can view the pages correctly is going down. At somepoint there's going to be a tipping point where coding for Windows IE wont be "good enough" coding.

IE's slow fall is helping the internet become the platform agnostic place it was supposed to be until the first Browser Wars.

That's a good point....one thing I've always liked about Apple is they support standards. Microsoft, on the other hand, supports their own technologies (i.e. WMV, WMA, and now WMP - or Windows Media Photo). I can't stand Windows Media Video, although WMA is rarely used on the sites I visit.

[Leondunkleyc]

Yup, and that's exactly why we DON'T want Windows IE running natively on a Mac. With Mac users numbers growing and more people dumping IE on the Windows side for Firefox or Opera, the number of users who can view the pages correctly is going down. At somepoint there's going to be a tipping point where coding for Windows IE wont be "good enough" coding.

IE's slow fall is helping the internet become the platform agnostic place it was supposed to be until the first Browser Wars.

That's why in an attempt to shake off all things threatening IE from complete market dominance, microsoft has decided that the way forward is to go with the strategy that made them rich, if it's liked, steal it, if it's not, steal it, if no one cares either way, steal it.

[Billy Boo Bob]

Oh, and the Administrator user folder is missing in the shortcuts.
It could be that they have that turned off in Finder Preferences.
51100

[Leondunkleyc]

Man can't people even get the friggin memory type correct in their fakes?
Proof (As if anyone needed it) that Mr. Dee's pictures are fake, the memory type was wrong until you made that post, then it seems to have changed itself... Maybe it's a sign of a computer revolution, beware of Arnold.

[Peace]

Proof (As if anyone needed it) that Mr. Dee's pictures are fake, the memory type was wrong until you made that post, then it seems to have changed itself... Maybe it's a sign of a computer revolution, beware of Arnold.

After realizing it was messed up :
http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os519hc.png

Before realizing it was messed up :
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os517nw.png


:rolleyes:

edited for clarity :-)

[Billy Boo Bob]

Before realizing it was messed up :
http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os519hc.png

After realizing it was messed up :
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=os517nw.png


:rolleyes:
Hehe. Sooooo busted. :cool:

[Billy Boo Bob]

That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.
And this effect is integrated into Quicktime.
It can be used in various video editing programs.
I think it's more of a Core Image effect. If they do this multiple desktop thing, it wouldn't surprise me if they give the option to use any of the transitions available through CI. Take a look at Keynote. Most, if not all, of the transitions there could become available. Same for Fast User Switching, instead of just the rotating cube. So, if you don't like the one shown, don't use it. I doubt they'll force that transition as the only one you can use to switch desktops.

[BillyShears]

Yup, and that's exactly why we DON'T want Windows IE running natively on a Mac. With Mac users numbers growing and more people dumping IE on the Windows side for Firefox or Opera, the number of users who can view the pages correctly is going down. At somepoint there's going to be a tipping point where coding for Windows IE wont be "good enough" coding.

IE's slow fall is helping the internet become the platform agnostic place it was supposed to be until the first Browser Wars.

I disagree. Most people aren't going to want to run IE on a Mac. People switch to Firefox on Windows because it's better than IE. They keep IE around for compatibility, but they mostly resent it (this is real world experience with people that don't know much about computers). So people that switch to a Mac aren't very likely to want to use IE -- they switched to get away from that kind of software.


I also think IE on a Mac would be beneficial. I would say people that design websites are more likely to use a Mac, or would be more inclined than others.

But you can't design websites without testing in IE for compatability (IE still has a huge marketshare). So naturally designers would be pushed to Windows in some form.

Which would be fine, but Safari isn't available on Windows... so now websites aren't tested in Safari. Websites not tested in Safari means fewer people use Safari because it's a worse browser.

Fewer people using Safari means fewer developers testing for Safari... and repeat.

[Catfish_Man]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2196/rofl3dt.jpg


Thread over. Stunna wins the internet.

[bloodycape]

Any one notice how the battery meter is switched with with the network. Not to mention I don't see the sound icon. BTW what is that diamond icon in between the monitor and the battery?

[vhmalex]

Here is the "go to" button in action...

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1221/3225/1600/leopard_img03.png

Note how the dock isn't centered. Ahem.

[Billy Boo Bob]

Note how the dock isn't centered. Ahem.
It is if you check out the corrected image. :)

Check out the differences (links found on another blog) (Images best viewed in two tabs of same window, then switch between the tabs):

Not centered:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1221/3225/1600/leopard_img03.png

Centered:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1221/3225/1600/leopard_img03.0.png

That given, I would like to change my vote to fake (what can I say… I voted before I read all the picking apart of the images)

[scotto07]

Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.
Diatribe hit that right on the money, this is about the fun and the rumors. the site is called MacRumors not MacFacts

[Billy Boo Bob]

Assuming now that this is a fake, I do like some of the ideas presented. Like tabbed Finder windows. Sounds real good to me. And what appears to be dropdown folder menus/shortcuts in the Finder window. I would certainly put them to use.

As for running Windows exe apps directly… I would think that they would force some kind of restrictions to keep all the Windows stuff on the Windows partition (or HD if it'll use multiple drives) in an effort to keep virus effects to a minimum. This would mean difficulty in saving Win app's documents to the Mac partition, perhaps, but most users would probably put up with a little inconvenience if it means higher security.

[Voidness]

not sure if this has been pointed out, but if you look at the list if "files" in the Documents folder that's being reviled there are only folders listed. what are the chances that documents folder only contain folders.

then again, maybe that's a new feature, in tree view you can do order-by too.

edit: oh, and the Administrator user folder is missing in the shortcuts.
My documents folder contains only folders :)

And yeah, I believe they're fake. Mainly because i didn't like them :D ... and because the word "Windows" in the About this Mac dialogue has different sub-pixel smoothing than the rest of the bold text (Processor, Memory, and Startup Disk).

attachments...

[Kelmon]

Although it does have a lot of good elements, and this thing has been thoroughly dissected here, my "fake" observation is this:

If OSX is running Windows apps the way they are depicted, where is OSX grabbing the icons for in the dock? Windows apps dont have icons with high enough resolution for the apple dock, do they? (I know Vista will support high res icons)

I happily admit to knowing f-all about Photoshop and image editing in general, but this is what set the alarm bells ringing for me. We all know that Windows doesn't support High Resolution icons at the moment, and one presumes that the virtualisation hinted at by these screenshots implies that we can simply install existing Windows applications and run them in much the same way we do OS X applications. Given this it seems unlikely that the Dock would display a high resolution icon for Internet Explorer 7 for the simple reason that one would not have been supplied with the application. Where does this one come from then? Most likely answer, given the other responses, is that it comes from Photoshop...

[MacRy]

Don't know whether this has been mentioned in this thread or not but the available disk space shown in the two finder windows are different. One says 68.42 available and you can only see the end of what is available on the first screenshot because the 'About this Mac' window is obscuring it but it ends with an 8. Wouldn't they both be the same figure?

Edit:

No i'm stupid aren't I - it's GB.

Must....look......more....closely....in....future.....

D'OH!

[mcic1984]

I happily admit to knowing f-all about Photoshop and image editing in general, but this is what set the alarm bells ringing for me. We all know that Windows doesn't support High Resolution icons at the moment, and one presumes that the virtualisation hinted at by these screenshots implies that we can simply install existing Windows applications and run them in much the same way we do OS X applications. Given this it seems unlikely that the Dock would display a high resolution icon for Internet Explorer 7 for the simple reason that one would not have been supplied with the application. Where does this one come from then? Most likely answer, given the other responses, is that it comes from Photoshop...

As someone explained earlier, Windows Vista supports icons up to 256x256 - that is bigger than Mac OS X Tiger's 128x128. (I think Apple was increasing it to 512x512 but forgot where I heard that from...)

[Voidness]

Relatively unchanged, but changed indeed in each version of OSX. Look back, they change tints, become less glossy, etc. I know its a detail, but it looks like a detail the creator forgot about.
Yeah, there were slight changes to the Apple logo on the menu bar, and even the menu bar itself. I made a quick comparison here:

attachment...

[Morn]

It'd be a beta, not even a beta some internal developer build probably, aka beta of a beta.
Being a beta it might not render all the text the same way yet considering that text would have been added into the about box.
And with the IE7 icon, vista does support high resolution icons, and maybe this is the vista version of IE7?

And clearly puma, juguar and panther all had the same apple icon. So the icon has stayed the same more often than it's changed.
I think this could easily be fake though.
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_files_patent_system_and_method_for_creating_tamper_resistant_code/
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/intel_patent_reveals_virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/
These 2 stories do tend to support the idea of virtualisation in these screenshots. So whether it's fake or not, it might be close to the mark. What of the rumored database file system and metadata based finder though. ;)

[Tomas]

The only 4 things that I can see that make me doubt that the screenshots are authentic:
Some things that people in this thread think will prove these screenshots fake don't prove them fake at all:
1) 10.5 without a build number in the "About This Mac" window. (On Tiger you click on the 10.4 to see the build number on 10.5 I would expect the same, even in the beta version.)



Beta versions of OS X show the build number by default.

The real reason for me that these are fake is simple, the IE icon is a full resolution icon with transparency. Vista should have full res icons, but the windows version is apparently XP 2 and that doesn't support high res icons. There is no way Apple would make high res icons for windows apps, because they want windows to look like **** beside OS X.

As for the people talking about how un-Apple like the peephole transition is, it's just one of the OS X transition effects. Along with slide, reveal, cube, dissolve, and so on. They are all built into the OS, and if they have a multiple desktop switcher, i'm sure they'd show off OS X's capabilities by letting you pick your own transition, just like with Desktop Manager (a great app by the way).

Fake in my opinion because of the IE icon and the lack of build data. Fantastic ideas for the finder interface though.

[hoppo99]

By now if the photos were real Apple's legal department would have already forced them to be taken down.

Also together with all the inconsistencies already stated above, if you look closely the icons in the dock are too near the top of the shaded region. The gap should be the same as at the bottom. Nice work on photoshop though and some interesting ideas, though I'm sure what Apple will come up with will be far better!