View Full Version : harry potter not necessarily safe in book 7
count chocula
Jun 29, 2006, 09:14 PM
apparently two main characters will die in the 7th harry potter book and harry may be one of them. also of interest, J.K. says she wrote the final chapter of book 7 long before the first book was published. there are lots of articles about this if you google news harry potter, but here's one link: http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_9186.html
"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve. But I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die," she said. "A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil here. They don't target extras do they? They go for the main characters. Well, I do."
"I have never been tempted to kill him off before the final because I've always planned seven books, and I want to finish on seven books," she says. "I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who thinks, `Well, I'm gonna kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequels. So it will end with me, and after I'm dead and gone they won't be able to bring back the character'."
i cant wait, but i dont know if i'll be able to handle not having new harry potter books to look forward to.
iGary
Jun 29, 2006, 09:15 PM
I saw that on CNN.
She'll never do it.
count chocula
Jun 29, 2006, 09:17 PM
I saw that on CNN.
She'll never do it.
i tend to agree with you. you never know, though.
kretzy
Jun 29, 2006, 09:18 PM
I don't really care who she kills off, I just want the damned book already!
dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 09:18 PM
`Well, I'm gonna kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequels. So it will end with me, and after I'm dead and gone they won't be able to bring back the character'.
All the other crazy, magical stuff that happens in the world of Harry Potter and they won't be able to bring back Harry? Yeah, right...
iGary
Jun 29, 2006, 09:19 PM
All the other crazy, magical stuff that happens in the world of Harry Potter and they won't be able to bring back Harry? Yeah, right...
Exactly, which why she is just doing this to drum up interim interest.
WildCowboy
Jun 29, 2006, 09:19 PM
She'll kill him off and then begin a new seven-book series about a young wizard named Larry Kotter.
dejo
Jun 29, 2006, 09:19 PM
She'll kill him off and then begin a new seven-book series about a young wizard named Larry Kotter.
Welcome Back?
Mr. Anderson
Jun 29, 2006, 09:20 PM
Ah - its just hype - whether she does it or not, and who's to say he won't *die* only to be saved in the end by some sort of magic.
Got to love the marketing on this :D
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Chundles
Jun 29, 2006, 09:23 PM
When's it due?
If it's due later this year and I find out I haven't graduated (again) then I'll have been studying for the same degree for the span of three Harry Potter books, two star wars and the whole Lord of the Rings....
That's embarrassing...
kretzy
Jun 29, 2006, 09:26 PM
When's it due?
Not until some time next year, though there is no official release date yet.
count chocula
Jun 29, 2006, 09:27 PM
Ah - its just hype - whether she does it or not, and who's to say he won't *die* only to be saved in the end by some sort of magic.
Got to love the marketing on this :D
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maybe he'll make six horcruxes™ like good old voldy. :eek:
cycocelica
Jun 29, 2006, 09:28 PM
Marketing at its best.
But seriously, she needs to finish this book and release it. I am bored.
Xander562
Jun 29, 2006, 09:56 PM
All the other crazy, magical stuff that happens in the world of Harry Potter and they won't be able to bring back Harry? Yeah, right...
Any Harry Potter buff, such as myself, can say, there's no way to bring someone back from the dead, even in the magical world. however, there are ways of ensuring your existance, which is what Lord Voldemort does, however that is very dark magic that Harry would never preform(i hope) it involves horcruxes
A Horcrux is a magical object created through the use of the Dark Arts by evil witches or wizards who wish to avoid death. To do so, they conceal part of their soul within an object — the Horcrux — that is usually hidden away in a safe location.
Creating a Horcrux requires an evil and violent act: the murder of an individual, which is "the supreme act of evil", that "rips the soul apart". The soul of the creator is split, and a spell is cast to infuse one portion of the soul into the intended object, which becomes a Horcrux. This magic is called "the most evil and unnatural of the Dark Arts".
so yes it is possible for someone to "come back from the dead" but it is VERY unlikely that Harry Potter would do this.
celebrian23
Jun 29, 2006, 10:02 PM
I hope he goes. It would be an exciting end.
Shamus
Jun 30, 2006, 12:36 AM
I hope he goes. It would be an exciting end.
I agree. Also, if he didnt die, and it just said that he 'walked into a brave new world' or something....I wouldnt be able to stop myself from wondering what happened to him...what adventures he was involved in.
Killing HP would end the curiosity, but as others have stated...hinting at the prospect that he will be killed BUILDS curiosity prior to the launch date.
OutThere
Jun 30, 2006, 12:44 AM
Even if he were to die in the 7th book, the series would be left open ended...so much has been hinted about as to existence after death.
Anyway, Dumbledore didn't actually die, and Snape is on the good side. But I won't go into detail...
CompUser
Jun 30, 2006, 12:47 AM
I honestly think if Harry were to die, there would be a couple people, somewhere,that commit suicide. I am not even joking.
unfaded
Jun 30, 2006, 01:00 AM
She said she would kill off two characters. Below is my theory, in white writing, so only people who really want to know can know:
***Harry is the last horcrux. The prophesy said as long as one lives, the other shall too. Harry will have to sacrifice himself to kill off Voldemort for good. The. End.***
rockthecasbah
Jun 30, 2006, 01:06 AM
unfaded, you are spot on. ;)
GAH I CANNOT WAIT TO READ THAT GOD DAMN BOOK!!!!!!!!
yg17
Jun 30, 2006, 01:09 AM
Good, maybe she'll finally kill that little bastard off :D
XIII
Jun 30, 2006, 01:11 AM
***Harry is the last horcrux. The prophesy said as long as one lives, the other shall too. Harry will have to sacrifice himself to kill off Voldemort for good. The. End.***
Yeah, seems pretty much like what I had in mind. That it will have to end with Harry having to die to kill Voldemort.
OutThere
Jun 30, 2006, 01:15 AM
She said she would kill off two characters. Below is my theory, in white writing, so only people who really want to know can know:
***Harry is the last horcrux. The prophesy said as long as one lives, the other shall too. Harry will have to sacrifice himself to kill off Voldemort for good. The. End.***
Way too simple and easy. Too much of an un-rewarding ending. Has anything the rest of the series been that way? I think not...
e²Studios
Jun 30, 2006, 01:21 AM
This is all marketing.. after this many years of writing and marketing the series you do not go on national TV and accidentally "slip" saying more than you wanted to...
That said I hope he dies..
Ed
Chip NoVaMac
Jun 30, 2006, 01:28 AM
Welcome Back?
My thoughts exactly. She may want to limit someone else writing an "Oz' type of rip off; but killing off Harry won't prevent it.
CorvusCamenarum
Jun 30, 2006, 02:03 AM
When's it due?
If it's due later this year and I find out I haven't graduated (again) then I'll have been studying for the same degree for the span of three Harry Potter books, two star wars and the whole Lord of the Rings....
That's embarrassing...
The rumor mill says next summer, possibly coinciding with the release of the film version of Order of the Phoenix.
As for who might be snuffing it, I'm putting $2 down on Ginny Weasley. People are putting way too much stock in the prophecy, which is exactly what Rowling wants from us. She's also said time and time again via characters that 1) death is not the worst defeat one can suffer and 2) the prophecy could very well be a big fat squishy red herring.
iShane
Jun 30, 2006, 02:28 AM
I don't remember who I heard it from but I heard Harry and Herminoe(sp??) were gone.
Piarco
Jun 30, 2006, 04:00 AM
Frankly I'd be hugely disappointed if she killed of Harry. Especially as his life runs like:
Parents get murdered
First 10 years of life are spent under teh roof of basically abusive Aunt and Uncle
Find out someone wants him dead - and has to deal with the effects every school term
Godfather dies (after being robbed of the chance of being a major player in Harry's life)
Whiteout in case anyone hasn't read the last book:Mentor and father figure dies
Now he dies? Way way to harsh. Harry needs to have a life at some point.
If Ron or Hermione go I'll be just as disappointed... it'll take the shine of the books IMO. I'd feel robbed.
d wade
Jun 30, 2006, 04:03 AM
i heard them talking about this on howard stern.
i am not a harry potter fan, never read any of the books or saw any of the movies, but i think it is a good idea. other people would ruin it.
a good example i can think of is the scary movie[s]. the 1st two were hysterical b/c they starred and were directed/written by wayans bros. the 3rd and 4th were absolutely horrific b/c they just didnt have the same feel.
the books would not be any different.
kretzy
Jun 30, 2006, 04:08 AM
If she does kill Harry, I think it will be with a happy ending. By that, I mean he may move onto a better place where he can be with those he has lost but at the same time that would remove him from his very close friends. *shrug*
I will be less surprised if either Hermione, Malfoy or Ron get killed, though it would be a shame. I think Malfoy has some good left in him and ultimately he will die on fighting for "the good side" along with Snape.
Shamus
Jun 30, 2006, 06:45 AM
I honestly think if Harry were to die, there would be a couple people, somewhere,that commit suicide. I am not even joking.
Scary isn't it? How such trivial things can affect some peoples lives to such an extent? You dead right, Harry Potter is a huge phenomenon, and with huge phenomenon comes people so emotionally tied to them that their lives aren't worth living without it.
So I hereby state Shamus's First Law of HP:
"Harry Potters livelihood is equally and directly proportional to the livelihood of JK Rowling."
Ive been reading physics books non stop for the last 2 weeks, excuse my physics approach :p
Queso
Jun 30, 2006, 07:12 AM
My guesses:-
I don't think Harry will go, but there's at least one Weasley who's going to bite it. My money's on Arthur.
As for the other, I think right at the end Snape is going to sacrifice himself to allow Harry to kill Voldemort. Malfoy is also going to do something spectacularly unlike his normal behaviour, but I think he'll survive to tell the tale.
Sharewaredemon
Jun 30, 2006, 07:43 AM
My guesses:-
I don't think Harry will go, but there's at least one Weasley who's going to bite it. My money's on Arthur.
As for the other, I think right at the end Snape is going to sacrifice himself to allow Harry to kill Voldemort. Malfoy is also going to do something spectacularly unlike his normal behaviour, but I think he'll survive to tell the tale.
Yeah about Snape and I'm banking on Ron or Hermoine too, but for some reason I think it would ruin the ending for that friendship to be broken up.
Obviously we "are dealing with pure evil" but I think that the ending will kind of suck if the three friends aren't together at the end.
So hey, what if Voldy doesn't die at then end?
That would be messed.
Queso
Jun 30, 2006, 07:55 AM
Yeah about Snape and I'm banking on Ron or Hermoine too, but for some reason I think it would ruin the ending for that friendship to be broken up.
That's why I'm betting on a Weasley character being killed off. Over the past couple of books the entire family has been playing a larger and larger role. They're close enough now to the centre of the action for the readers to really feel it if one of them dies.
It's not going to be Ron and Hermione. They have to survive so they can get it on :)
And Voldemort not dying? Could happen, but unlikely. I've also been thinking that he'll be severely weakened at the end and the Dementors could turn on him. Nasty.
Sharewaredemon
Jun 30, 2006, 08:15 AM
And Voldemort not dying? Could happen, but unlikely. I've also been thinking that he'll be severely weakened at the end and the Dementors could turn on him. Nasty.
Well it seems so certain that he will be defeated to the point of cliché. Perhaps the two characters that will die are Ron and Hermoine and Harry will JOIN Voldertmort's side.
ha.
Anyway, yeah I think the a Weasley dying would work.
MongoTheGeek
Jun 30, 2006, 08:57 AM
Well it seems so certain that he will be defeated to the point of cliché. Perhaps the two characters that will die are Ron and Hermoine and Harry will JOIN Voldertmort's side.
ha.
Anyway, yeah I think the a Weasley dying would work.
@Vader: I am your father luke...
Harry can't be the last horcrux. He was going to be killed to be the last horcrux. Besides Voldemort was intent on killing him in GoF so he wouldn't be the horcrux.
My money is on Ron and Hermione.
Harry may or may not die. She said she understood the temptation to kill the character but it just doesn't feel right. She has such a keen grasp of the balance of a narrative.
Worst possible ending:Harry wakes up in the cupboard under the stairs in Privet Drive and the whole thing was a dream.
If JK does more books after this, Harry should only play the sort of tangential role that McGonigal or Dumbledore plays.
Mr. Anderson
Jun 30, 2006, 09:00 AM
Any Harry Potter buff, such as myself, can say, there's no way to bring someone back from the dead, even in the magical world.
Until she creates it - she made up the whole world, so even being an expert, you still don't know everything. I'm not ruling anything out....
D
Queso
Jun 30, 2006, 09:05 AM
If JK does more books after this, Harry should only play the sort of tangential role that McGonigal or Dumbledore plays.
Nah. After book seven she should take a couple of years off to get something new together, all new characters, settings, philosophy, everything. She's never going to have the sort of success again that the current books have given her, but I'm sure as long as people are reading her work, she'll be happy to keep writing. In the meantime, the several hundred million pounds in the bank can't be a bad thing :cool:
Sharewaredemon
Jun 30, 2006, 09:19 AM
I think it would be cool if she wrote books in the "Harry Potter" Universe but not related to him.
She could write books that were only one book long (not series) and they could take place in the future or past of the events of the 7 books.
Flesh out the world a little better.
Like make a book with the founding of Hogwarts or make a book 20 years (in the timeline) after the end of book 7.
Yeah Harry isn't the last horcrux, I never thought he was.
I'm excited to see what Snape and Draco are up to in this book.
MongoTheGeek
Jun 30, 2006, 09:30 AM
Nah. After book seven she should take a couple of years off to get something new together, all new characters, settings, philosophy, everything. She's never going to have the sort of success again that the current books have given her, but I'm sure as long as people are reading her work, she'll be happy to keep writing. In the meantime, the several hundred million pounds in the bank can't be a bad thing :cool:
Sorry. I meant more books in the Harry Potter world. She should wait at least 6 or 7 years to do that.
Whats next? I think I can see her doing a murder mystery.
jelloshotsrule
Jun 30, 2006, 09:34 AM
She'll kill him off and then begin a new seven-book series about a young wizard named Larry Kotter.
hahahahahah
Queso
Jun 30, 2006, 09:43 AM
Sorry. I meant more books in the Harry Potter world. She should wait at least 6 or 7 years to do that.
Whats next? I think I can see her doing a murder mystery.
Maybe she should write a kid's TV series. That would be a great way to become quickly known for something else. Can you imagine any country in the world where they wouldn't screen it? Well maybe not Vatican City or Iran hoho
Abstract
Jun 30, 2006, 10:34 AM
She said she would kill off two characters. Below is my theory, in white writing, so only people who really want to know can know:
***Harry is the last horcrux. The prophesy said as long as one lives, the other shall too. Harry will have to sacrifice himself to kill off Voldemort for good. The. End.***
You know, for someone with the name "unfaded", your writing sure is hard to read. ;)
twistedlegato
Jul 1, 2006, 04:06 PM
These are the only people she could kill off......Ron, Hermione,or malfoy
lord patton
Jul 1, 2006, 04:16 PM
Even if he were to die in the 7th book, the series would be left open ended...so much has been hinted about as to existence after death.
Anyway, Dumbledore didn't actually die, and Snape is on the good side. But I won't go into detail...
Yes, Snape is on the good side, but Dumbledore did die. It's just that he knew he would have to, so he and Severus decided to use the event to trick Voldemort into believing that Snape was a loyal Death Eater.
Now that Voldemort trusts Snape, Severus will betray Voldemort at the last minute, saving Harry Potter in the process.
Southerner
Jul 1, 2006, 05:02 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong -
How can Snape be on the good side that he murdered Dumbledore and kidnapped Malfoy leaving a cliffhanger in Book 6 that Book 7 will probably see Harry tracking down Snape the fugitive and possibly rescuing Malfoy?
count chocula
Jul 1, 2006, 07:52 PM
the situation that lord patton described would be very interesting, but i see harry killing snape before he has a chance to redeem himself.
Blue Velvet
Jul 1, 2006, 07:59 PM
These are the only people she could kill off......Ron...
I've never read a single HP book but this is what all my HP-reading friends are convinced will happen.
count chocula
Jul 1, 2006, 08:03 PM
I've never read a single HP book but this is what all my HP-reading friends are convinced will happen.
have you seen the movies?
All the other crazy, magical stuff that happens in the world of Harry Potter and they won't be able to bring back Harry? Yeah, right...
OMG! It's going to be Bobby Ewing in the shower again! :eek: :eek:
Chip NoVaMac
Jul 1, 2006, 10:41 PM
These are the only people she could kill off......Ron, Hermione,or malfoy
From the news reports I heard, she is wanting to make sure that there can never be a follow-up book by another author. Sort along the lines of the follow-up the the Oz story.
Mike Teezie
Jul 2, 2006, 08:17 PM
I've always liked how J.K. Rowling isn't afraid to take the series to really dark places. I was so shocked in the last book when Malfoy brutally broke Harry's nose by stomping on his face.
That said, I don't want to see harry, Hermione, or Ron go. I'd rather see another Weasley, or maybe another semi-random school mate. Not the main three though.
benthewraith
Jul 2, 2006, 09:09 PM
She said she would kill off two characters. Below is my theory, in white writing, so only people who really want to know can know:
***Harry is the last horcrux. The prophesy said as long as one lives, the other shall too. Harry will have to sacrifice himself to kill off Voldemort for good. The. End.***
Actually, that theory's been tried and beaten over and over again, and it's been proven false. The prophesy implies that one of them will live, therefore, he can't be a horcrux, otherwise the prophesy is a hoax. There are seven horcruxes, not eight. And even if it were, I have a feeling that some reason were to come up and somehow Harry did live.
Though, after all he's been through, I'd like to see him live: the kid deserves it.
benthewraith
Jul 2, 2006, 09:16 PM
the situation that lord patton described would be very interesting, but i see harry killing snape before he has a chance to redeem himself.
This IS the most likely scenario. ;)
Besides, just out of curiosity, but um, do yall have spoiler tags.
Hmm, apparently yall don't. That makes things a little more....difficult. :(
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