Camino now has spell checking...i think

[prostuff1]

First i have to say that i am using nightly builds of Camino so i am not sure if it is like this in an official release.

I noticed a couple of days ago that when i was replying to one of the threads here that it underlined one of my words that i had misspelled.

Has anyone else noticed this??

Here is a screen shot to show you what I am talking about.

[PlaceofDis]

its not in the offical last release, but i know that they've been working on it.

what nightly build do you have? link? i'd like to give it a try.

[mkrishnan]

Thank you for pointing this out! This is the one feature I was waiting on Camino to offer. :)

[prostuff1]

its not in the offical last release, but i know that they've been working on it.

what nightly build do you have? link? i'd like to give it a try.

To be honest i am not sure. I use a program called CaminoKnight and i think the last time i ran it was about 3-4 days ago. If you find CaminoKnight and download it you should be able to run it and update Camino to a nightly build.

CaminoKnight is a very nice program because it allows you to download for specific machines (i.e. optimized builds). I run the G4-7450 build on my iBook and the G5 optimized build on my iMac.

If you need something specific let me now how to find it I might be able to.

Also: I am finally past post 500!!! Avatar time.

[mkrishnan]

Congrats on 6502hood!!!! :D

This CaminoKnight sounds interesting... I should check it out. :)

[PlaceofDis]

i've heard about it, but maybe finally i'll give it a chance, never saw a reason, but knowin it locates the optimized builds, well that would be great in and of itself. thanks for the info.

[dmw007]

Thank you for pointing this out! This is the one feature I was waiting on Camino to offer. :)


Of course, it is a feature already offered in good ol' Safari. ;) :)

[PlaceofDis]

Of course, it is a feature already offered in good ol' Safari. ;) :)

it is, but i just don't like the implementation of everything else in safari to be honest. Camino renders and loads so much better for me.

and i can't seem to find a link to dl CaminoKnight, the 3.0 link on VersionTracker loads a page that can't find the file. :(

[mkrishnan]

Of course, it is a feature already offered in good ol' Safari. ;) :)

Yes, it is...and Safari is what I mostly use. ;)

[prostuff1]

it is, but i just don't like the implementation of everything else in safari to be honest. Camino renders and loads so much better for me.

and i can't seem to find a link to dl CaminoKnight, the 3.0 link on VersionTracker loads a page that can't find the file. :(

http://web.mac.com/reinholdpenner/iWeb/Software/CaminoKnight.html

There is a page that works to download CaminoKnight.

[dmw007]

it is, but i just don't like the implementation of everything else in safari to be honest. Camino renders and loads so much better for me.


I know, Safari is not the ideal browser for everyone. :o :)






but it should be...... ; )

[prostuff1]

Yes, it is...and Safari is what I mostly use. ;)

I would use Safari more but i like the way camino does the bookmarks bar.

[PlaceofDis]

thank you very much prostuff1!

I know, Safari is not the ideal browser for everyone. :o :)






but it should be...... ; )


and it could be, but its bloated in my opinion and its rendering is too slow. clunky interface too. i like not having to have all the site's name in my bookmarks bar, just their favicon. and i just perfer the UNO-esque look of the browser over Metal.

[dmw007]

and it could be, but its bloated in my opinion and its rendering is too slow. clunky interface too. i like not having to have all the site's name in my bookmarks bar, just their favicon. and i just perfer the UNO-esque look of the browser over Metal.


True, Safari, like every other browser out there, has both it's good points and it's bad points. :)

[Mord]

why couldent it just use the built in spellchecking?

oh and safari is perfect for me, i'd never change a thing with it. it's faster than firefox and far less annoying.

one annoyance are messages that have a check box that says "always show this messege" no matter what you do to the box the message still appears, safari has no such messages.

[PlaceofDis]

why couldent it just use the built in spellchecking?

oh and safari is perfect for me, i'd never change a thing with it.

something to do with the Gecko engine i believe was the issue why they couldn't use OS X's built in spell check. a shame thought, otherwise it would've had it from the beginning.

[mkrishnan]

something to do with the Gecko engine i believe was the issue why they couldn't use OS X's built in spell check. a shame thought, otherwise it would've had it from the beginning.

The way I understand it, the spell-checking feature in OS X arises from properties of certain Cocoa interface elements. And Camino originally didn't use those kinds of text boxes, as you're saying, and that's why it couldn't. And also why Firefox (which really, really doesn't use Cocoa interface elements) also does not make use of the spell checker, but why apps like Adium that were designed from the ground up in the Apple environment have for a long time.

[Eraserhead]

It seems to offer suggestions now of spelling mistakes (at least on MR) as of the 1st July nightly in the context menu. :)

[Lau]

I've been using Camino for a fair while now, as Safari seemed really slow. Recently I thought I'd give Safari a shot again (sorry, devilot!), due to missing a few of the features of Safari, such as some of the shortcuts and the spell checker.

However, although Safari seems faster than it did, it's still slower then Camino, and doesn't block pop-ups nearly as well, and, most annoyingly, a lot more websites fail to recognise the flash plugin, and other java bits and pieces.

Now it has a spell checker, it's back to Camino for me. Thanks for the heads up, prostuff1. Now if only it looked as smart as Safari...

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I guess this is a new feature among all of the Mozilla browser family. Bon Echo (Firefox 2 alpha) has had spell checking for a while now, though you have to install additional languages from the Thunderbird dictionaries... :)

[mkrishnan]

I guess this is a new feature among all of the Mozilla browser family. Bon Echo (Firefox 2 alpha) has had spell checking for a while now, though you have to install additional languages from the Thunderbird dictionaries... :)

But so the spell checking in Bon Echo is based on the T-bird dictionaries, and has loose heritage to Spellbound, right? Whereas the spellchecking in Camino appears to be the Cocoa spell-checker that's in OS X? Is that true or false? Technical point, with relatively little practical ramification (aside from the fact that in the latter case, any training the dictionary gets elsewhere carries over...now if only Word used it!).

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

But so the spell checking in Bon Echo is based on the T-bird dictionaries, and has loose heritage to Spellbound, right? Whereas the spellchecking in Camino appears to be the Cocoa spell-checker that's in OS X? Is that true or false? I have no idea... :o but I don't think Bon Echo's spell check has anything directly to do with Spellbound, because I had the developer version of Spellbound installed and that has quite different behaviour (for one it doesn't suggest alternative spelling from the context menu).

But I don't really know and others might correct me on this... ;)

[Lau]

Having downloaded the nightly build, it does indeed underline any spelling mistakes. But do you know what? If you right click, it doesn't suggest any spellings, so you still have to work it out and manually type in the word.

This is a good thing in my opinion– my spelling's fairly good (as in all my posts so far are typed in Camino, and so aren't spell checked), but I do worry about getting lazy and forgetting the words I only vaguely know how to spell by right clicking, like necessary, and suchlike, and so if it makes me notice I've spelt it wrong, but doesn't tell me how to spell it, that's quite good. :)

[mkrishnan]

This is a good thing in my opinion– my spelling's fairly good (as in all my posts so far are typed in Camino, and so aren't spell checked), but I do worry about getting lazy and forgetting the words I only vaguely know how to spell by right clicking, like necessary, and suchlike, and so if it makes me notice I've spelt it wrong, but doesn't tell me how to spell it, that's quite good. :)

LOL, I usually make myself try again several times before resorting to using the suggestion. :o

But other people in this thread said they do get suggestions with the latest Camino nightly...why don't you, I wonder? :(

[PlaceofDis]

LOL, I usually make myself try again several times before resorting to using the suggestion. :o

But other people in this thread said they do get suggestions with the latest Camino nightly...why don't you, I wonder? :(

you have to highlight the word for it to work, but it does indeed work. :D

[Lau]

LOL, I usually make myself try again several times before resorting to using the suggestion. :o

But other people in this thread said they do get suggestions with the latest Camino nightly...why don't you, I wonder? :(

Oh, hang on, I just tried a few times, and it does, but the clicking's really weird. Maybe I'll train myself not to use it for the good of my health. ;) :p

[Makosuke]

Well, would you look at that. First they finally fix the slow-text-field bug, and now spellchecking.

After the 1.0 build, I hadn't really been following the Camino nightlies, but at long, long, long, long last here's the only feature that I've been waiting for to make Camino complete. A little sad that it doesn't take advantage of OSX's spelling engine, but something is better than nothing, as I'll take their word for it when they say that using the Cocoa text view just wasn't practical. It also doesn't look like it can learn words as a result of using its own engine.

Thanks so much for the heads up.

(Ironic side note: It doesn't know "Camino." Or "nightlies" for that matter.)

[prostuff1]

Oh, hang on, I just tried a few times, and it does, but the clicking's really weird. Maybe I'll train myself not to use it for the good of my health. ;) :p

I think you have stumbled on the one problem that i have been noticing on that last week or so of nightly builds. There is this wired problem were clicks are not quite recorded/caught correctly. Sometimes I have to move the mouse around a little and re-click on the thing. Kinda annoying but i can deal with it.

[solaris]

A little sad that it doesn't take advantage of OSX's spelling engine, but something is better than nothing, as I'll take their word for it when they say that using the Cocoa text view just wasn't practical. It also doesn't look like it can learn words as a result of using its own engine.From what I know it uses the native OS X spelling engine. But since Gecko is not Cocoa, they have to write their own frontend for it.
When bug 343299 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343299) is fixed you should be able to add not words to the spell check database, and take advantage of these in TextEdit, Mail, etc.

Oh, hang on, I just tried a few times, and it does, but the clicking's really weird. Maybe I'll train myself not to use it for the good of my health. ;) :pI think you have stumbled on the one problem that i have been noticing on that last week or so of nightly builds. There is this wired problem were clicks are not quite recorded/caught correctly. Sometimes I have to move the mouse around a little and re-click on the thing. Kinda annoying but i can deal with it.No, he have stumbled on the following bug:
343296 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343296) - Spell-checker requires text cursor to be in word to get context menu

The spell check function just landed a week ago, so expect a lot of improvements before it even reach Beta stage! ;)