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bobber205
Jul 4, 2006, 10:40 PM
Since I know I have gotten tired of looking for gaming results on the macbook, I've decided it would be appropriate to collect one thread to host them all.

Here's how it should be done. (MacBooks Only!!)

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First in bold, type the name of your game.
Second, post your macbook specs (RAM & Processor)
Thirdy, post your framerates. Just general ones.
Lastly, post any comments about performance you might have.
[EDIT] Please post whether your game was on XP (native only) or Mac OS X.

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This should help prospective macbook buyers. And for owners that are waiting to find out a certain game will perform before buying (like me).

Thanks for your participation.



spriter
Jul 5, 2006, 02:02 AM
Counter-Strike: Source XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- ~10-15fps with low settings (de_dust map)
- Choppy and practically unplayable. Worse when you let off a smoke grenade or run around a corner to a large area.

Battlefield 2 XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 0 (see below)
- Installed and patched to 1.3 but when I ran it, it shows splash screen and then flickers to desktop. Didn't run at all.

Call of Duty 2 OSX / Universal Binary
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30fps+ on auto settings (640 res for me)
- Game detects best settings but if you up the res and detail it inevitably gets choppy and jumpy, especially in large and/or smoke filled areas. Leaving on default settings gets you a perfectly playable game and looks fine since the MacBook screen isn't massive.

Football Manager 2006 OSX / Rosetta
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- Framerate not an issue as it's mostly text on still images
- Runs fine and better than my old iBook G4 1.2GHz. It's more a CPU and RAM hog than anything to do with the GPU. Expect FM2007 (UB) to run really well on the Dual Core without Rosetta.


Others have reported CS Source and BF2 running OK so I will try again at the weekend. I don't know why BF2 didn't even load up as I installed all the Boot Camp drivers and XP reported I had a 128MB GPU.

bobber205
Jul 5, 2006, 11:34 AM
WoW tests would be a very good thing to have on this thread. :D

Mackilroy
Jul 5, 2006, 11:47 AM
None of the games I have right now are particularly processor- or ram-intensive, and two of them aren't even out of beta yet, but I'll go rustle up some other games and see what I find (as well as post stats for the games I already have if people want).

Cantab
Jul 5, 2006, 12:44 PM
yellow, how much memory does your x1600 have?

Roads0
Jul 5, 2006, 01:33 PM
Is this thread for Macbooks, Macbooks Pros, or both. Just wondering cause I thought it was just Macbooks and I was trying to figure out how Yellow has that graphics card...

bobber205
Jul 5, 2006, 01:36 PM
This topic is for MacBooks ONLY!

The video cards in the Pro model don't cause nearly the same amount of worry.

patseguin
Jul 5, 2006, 02:00 PM
WoW tests would be a very good thing to have on this thread. :D

I have a 2GHz Core Duo, 1GB RAM, 80GB 7200 rpm hard drive. I installed WoW shortly after getting it and ran around IronForge a bit and ran suprising well. However, none of the shader effects are enabled. I ran it last night and updated to 1.11 and logged onto a character who was in Moonbrook and performance was AWFUL. I was getting 6-7fps with no people around and only a mob or 2. I'm going to install XP and re-test and see what the deal is.

Scarlet Fever
Jul 6, 2006, 04:32 AM
-Halo - OS X (Rosetta)
-MacBook 1.83 - 2GB
-average 10.16 fsp in Time Demo mode
-i ran the Time Demo, which gave me a more detailed view on what was happening. Im pretty sure it gets higher than 10 fps during gameplay, except for when there are heaps of enemys. It's gonna be much better when the UB comes out, or if you played it on XP.

haha... I grammer the bad... lol ah well, im tired.

patseguin
Jul 6, 2006, 09:15 AM
I have a 2GHz Core Duo, 1GB RAM, 80GB 7200 rpm hard drive. I installed WoW shortly after getting it and ran around IronForge a bit and ran suprising well. However, none of the shader effects are enabled. I ran it last night and updated to 1.11 and logged onto a character who was in Moonbrook and performance was AWFUL. I was getting 6-7fps with no people around and only a mob or 2. I'm going to install XP and re-test and see what the deal is.

Update on my observation. I read that Apple is re-releasing the 10.4.7 update for Intel because some crucial files for OpenGL performance were not included. This certainly sounds like the reason form y single-digit performance numbers. More to come as soon as they release that...

bobber205
Jul 12, 2006, 11:37 PM
I have one results to add to the list:

World of Warcraft
Macbook 1.83
512 RAM
Notes: Runs very well. At least for me. Outdoor areas are smooth, more than enough to play and enjoy. I notice a increase in framerate if I set my macbook batter to "Better Performace". Indoor areas runs VERY smooth, silky smooth. With 2 gigs of RAM, I suspect this will become more common.

eXan
Jul 13, 2006, 05:28 AM
Call of Duty 2 OSX / Universal Binary
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30fps+ on auto settings (640 res for me)
- Game detects best settings but if you up the res and detail it inevitably gets choppy and jumpy, especially in large and/or smoke filled areas. Leaving on default settings gets you a perfectly playable game and looks fine since the MacBook screen isn't massive

I still cannot understand why COD2 runs so well on any machine other than mine?! :confused:

I get 35-60 fps indoors (closed corridors etc), average of 20-25 outdoors (no people in sight), 12-18 - medium fights and 5-8 huge fights (Normandy landing mission, Hill 400, etc)

Am I missing something?

Oh, BTW, I run this game at the following settings:

1440x900
Textures at Extra
Rendering Mode - Normal
Triliniar filtering
Number of bodies - Small
16:10 (obviously)

Note that this game runs at the same if not better frame rate on my iMac at the above listed setting than on those automatically set by the game (800x600, everything on low).

risc
Jul 13, 2006, 06:38 AM
I still cannot understand why COD2 runs so well on any machine other than mine?! :confused

The machine you quoted above yours is running it at 640x480.

eXan
Jul 13, 2006, 07:20 AM
The machine you quoted above yours is running it at 640x480.

As I said in my post, there's NO difference in frame rates if I set to lowest or highest graphics settings. Well except of course the Render Quality option ;)

supremedesigner
Jul 18, 2006, 04:04 PM
Here are the games that I was wondering if you tried testing with:

PC Sim City 4, PC Half Life and PC Halo. Thanks! :D

faintember
Jul 19, 2006, 11:38 AM
WoW
2GHz Macbook, 2MB Ram, 100GB 7200 Hitachi HD, OS 10.4.7
Min FPS 4/Max FPS 40/Average FPS 17-19FPS

WoW runs great, depending on where you are (i am not talking about open areas vs. the mailbox at IF). For instance, in ZF, the hallways drop my FPS to 4-5. In Gadgetztan, just in town, i get around 10FPS. I didnt have these problems until my character was high enough level to go to Gadgetztan and ZF (which also happened around the time the 1.11 patch went live). BTW, all my video settings are set to the lowest, running WoW fullscreen, with nothing else running in the background in OSX.

So pre Gadgetztan average FPS 22-25, average FPS in Gadgetztan, ZF, Mara 17-19. Using the stock UI, or using the Insonmiax compilation makes no difference in FPS.

mattcube64
Jul 19, 2006, 02:14 PM
Call of Duty 2 DEMO / Mac OSX
White Macbook, 2GHz, 512MB RAM
FPS: 5-25 ish

I have COD2 on my Xbox 360, and so I know how this game CAN look and play. I was expecting the demo for Mac to be like utter crap. When you first get in the game, it is really choppy for about 3 seconds, with sound cutting in and out, and a few graphical hiccups. However, once you're moving around and whatnot, the game runs rather smooth. The demo is very action packed, and I know the full game doesn't throw much more on the screen. With my stock 512MB of Ram, I'm sure there is room for improvement. Also, it would probably run even better on Windoze. HOWEVER, if all the settings are low, and the res is low (automatic settings), the game is quite playable. And I'm used to the X360 version!

King Wali
Jul 19, 2006, 02:25 PM
I have the highest upgraded MacBook, and yet when I try to run CS:S in BootCamp, I can see the loading thing, and then it goes straight to a black screen. (?!) Help!!

bobber205
Jul 19, 2006, 08:47 PM
I'm glad to hear WoW will run better once I get more RAM.... :D

pourkay20
Jul 19, 2006, 10:04 PM
How would halo run on macbook

pourkay20
Jul 19, 2006, 10:05 PM
Macbook 1.83Ghz 512mb 60 gig hd

how would cs 1.6 run on macbook. fps?

Scarlet Fever
Jul 20, 2006, 02:25 AM
How would halo run on macbook
see my above post, #9

pourkay20
Jul 25, 2006, 11:42 PM
installed windows xp... steam is uploaded and i let cs download... it wont run every time and when it does it doesnt respond...

help plz
thx;)

WannabeMacUser
Jul 28, 2006, 08:54 AM
I would like to see the 'Guild Wars: Factions' Framerates on a macbook.

mpacsam
Jul 29, 2006, 11:41 AM
the games which i try tried on my macbook 2ghz 1gb ram on windows:
Civilization3:worked gr8
AOE3:worked good
WOW: worked gr8
Spell force 2: didnt work
Halo:worked good
Titan quest:didnt work

bobber205
Jul 29, 2006, 01:34 PM
Good to see Civ 3 working well. I just got that game today for three bucks! ;)

SamIchi
Jul 30, 2006, 03:51 AM
Good to see Civ 3 working well. I just got that game today for three bucks! ;)

What about Civ 4?

Some games I'm lookin for

Sim City 4
The Sims 2
Civ 4

WillMak
Jul 30, 2006, 05:56 AM
does simcity 4 work well on macbook>?

Littleodie914
Jul 30, 2006, 09:09 AM
does simcity 4 work well on macbook>?I'm sorry I don't have the source just yet, but I remember reading on here just a couple days ago that someone had tried it and it ran very well.

mpacsam
Jul 30, 2006, 10:43 AM
Good to see Civ 3 working well. I just got that game today for three bucks! ;)
gr8
ill get the civ 4 Warlords Expansion Pack today :D

mpacsam
Jul 30, 2006, 10:48 AM
btw i tried Guild Wars and the game run really good with gr8 gfx :cool:

mpacsam
Jul 30, 2006, 10:56 AM
What about Civ 4?

Some games I'm lookin for

Sim City 4
The Sims 2
Civ 4
civ4 works good , what i noticed is that the game runs beter on bootcamp xp than on osx

fingrpickr
Jul 30, 2006, 04:09 PM
-Macbook 1.83
-512 RAM
-Windows XP Pro

Sim City 4: Rush Hour
-Medium Settings; 1280x1024
-Ran above 50fps for the most part. Would only hang momentarily when initially loading all the textures. Zoomed, panned, and rotated surprisingly well with only 512mb of ram.

The Movies
-1024x768
-Medium Settings: averaged about 20-25fps completely zoomed out/lots of onscreen action
-Low Settings: averaged between 25-30fps completely zoomed out/lots of onscreen action

GTA: San Andreas
-Low settings, 1/3 draw distance
-1024x768: Averaged about 20-22fps (25fps is the default frame limiter) and was very playable
-800x600: Averaged 24-25fps with fame limiter

Call of Duty 1: Multiplayer
-1024x768 and Low Settings
-Indoor/Closed maps, like Railyard and Carentan averaged almost 60fps
-Outdoor/Open maps, like Brecourt, averaged between 25-30fps
-Dawnville TDM with over 40 people averaged about 40fps

Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne
-1024x768 and Medium-High Settings
-Generally averaged above 50fps; 30-35fps in intense action scenes

Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
-Would not recognize the 945GM graphics chip

mpacsam
Aug 1, 2006, 07:17 PM
Macbook 2GHZ / 1GB RAM /xp
Dungeon Siege 2
1024x768/ about 25-35 fps

comictimes
Aug 1, 2006, 07:34 PM
I like to run all my games at 1280x800, and generally choose medium graphics settings

Unreal Tournament 2004
Mac OSX
Macbook 2.0ghz, 2gb RAM
30-40 fps normal, 15-20 in big battles, 50 when nothing's happening

Warcraft III
Mac OSX, under Rosetta
Macbook 2.0ghz, 2gb RAM
20+ fps all the time, no fps counter so I don't know exact numbers

Call of Duty:United Offensive
Windows, under bootcamp
macbook 2.0ghz, 2gb RAM
30+ fps at all times except with lots of smoke

bobber205
Aug 1, 2006, 08:00 PM
Wow! Good to see Unreal Tournmanent is running well. I've always wanted to play that game...

Neato.

MacAnkka
Aug 2, 2006, 03:51 AM
FlatOut 2 XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.83 2x512 RAM
- Forest maps: 20-35fps, other maps: 25-40fps
- 1280x800, no postprocessing, no triple buffering, low textures, 30% view distance
- Decent looking and quite playable

FleurDuMal
Aug 2, 2006, 05:01 AM
Good thread, btw.

Shame that the Bootcamp-ed Civ 4 appears to play better than the OSX native one. I'd love to get Civ 4, but I really don't want to install Bootcamp (heard too many stories about what it can do to your system).

bobber205
Aug 2, 2006, 01:38 PM
Good thread, btw.

Shame that the Bootcamp-ed Civ 4 appears to play better than the OSX native one. I'd love to get Civ 4, but I really don't want to install Bootcamp (heard too many stories about what it can do to your system).


It doesn't too anything to your system. Trust me, you'll be fine.

The worst is can do is erase your OS X partion when you install, but that can be fixed. :D

And thanks for the compliment. I was worried it wouldn't take off. But it seem to have already.

RockAgainstAss
Aug 3, 2006, 04:11 AM
i was wondering - how will WOW run on (the middle one..2ghz White)- http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/6404040/wo/ZM1BhCzjdhq823HrWHJ2rRclK2M/0.PSLID?mco=32B42242&nclm=MacBook

i mean my pc sucks so bad, it has worse specs than that mac and it runs WOW great apart from in areeas like ironforge which takes a sec or too to stop lagging. but thats it.

also

if i bought that mac from a store liek pcworld or currys would i get all those programs that says are in the box on the apple uk store site?

njack9
Aug 3, 2006, 05:04 AM
Hi Guys,

On the base model Macbooks, I know people who can run Battlefield 2 and some who can not. I have just got a Macbook and I want to install Battlefield 2, will it work?

Thanks

ReanimationLP
Aug 3, 2006, 07:23 AM
Ouch.

Even a Radeon X1300/X300 would be a godsend at this point.

My PC with its Radeon 9800XT can average around 100 FPS in CS:S at 1280x1024 High.

RockAgainstAss
Aug 3, 2006, 05:13 PM
World Of Warcraft

Macbook '13 White' 2ghz 512mb Ram

How will it run?

if needed ill rock 1g...

im buying very soon.

bobber205
Aug 3, 2006, 08:40 PM
To above poster. It runs great. I played it during the trial heavily and I found it to be very enjoyable. The only time you'll really notice a difference is the big framerate increase when you go inside buildings (less to draw obviously).

And I have just the basic 512 ram, at least for now ;)

RockAgainstAss
Aug 4, 2006, 06:12 AM
sounds good enough for me my friend :D . jesus if my pc which we got when i was 11 and im 20 now will run WOW well i think the macbooks will be even better haha

irbdavid
Aug 5, 2006, 04:23 PM
I played around a bit with Boot Camp. Tried running CS:Source and decided that it wasn't playable, as everyone else here has found. Eve Online ran fine, with very good frame rates, as you would expect from a game that is a good 3 or more years old. But I found it unplayable because during the game, the fan on my Macbook was on constantly, which makes a considerable amount of noise. I actually found it to be more loud and annoying than my old nvidia card in my PC, which is saying something.

Bootcamp/XP will probably be uninstalled tomorrow....

Gamazson
Aug 7, 2006, 06:25 PM
Ok my experiences have been mixed. I have never taken official Fps reading so bear with me as i will make a guess.

Deus Ex Game of the Year Edition XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM
- ~100+fps with max settings
- The game operates too quickly. It might be early observed as being choppy. The game speed problem has been noted on pc's though.

Deus Ex Invisible War XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM
- ~20-30fps with Default settings
- Decent play, for the most part smooth, some chop in seatle archology level.

RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 All expansions XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM
- ~20-35fps with standard settings
- Smooth with decent load times accept when the game turns to night time play, during a fireworks display and on some carerr levels with alot of theming.

Vampire The Masquerade- Bloodlines XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM
- ~0fp
- Will not execute. I have tried several things to fix this but it will not run. The game is famous for bugs anyway.

Warhammer 40k- Dawn of War +Winter Assualt XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM
- ~20-35fps with default settings
- Smooth for the most part. Will begin to lag in very large firefights. WhenPlaying as the orcs do make to many gretchin.

Sin Episodes: Emergence XP / Boot Camp
- MacBook 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM
- ~20-25fps with medium settings and 800x600 screen res
- Runs about as well as Half life 2 umder the same conditions but has a little more chop. Sin1 which is included buts runs a touch on the fast side.

I will be trying the following soon:
X3: The Threat
Star Wars Battlefront
Freelancer
Homeworld
Homeworld2
Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance
Need For Speed Most Wanted

storage
Sep 2, 2006, 06:42 AM
Sorry to resurrect this thread.

Has anyone compared World of Warcraft performance between OS X and Windows? The only account of running World of Warcraft in Windows in this thread has said something like "runs gr8", which doesn't tell me very much.

I'm planning on getting a MacBook (hopefully Merom) and picking up WoW again, so I'd really like to know if it runs better under Windows than under OS X.

Thanks!

actionjawa
Sep 2, 2006, 08:49 AM
Jedi Academy 1.0.1en (Universal)
- Macbook with 2GHz and 2GB RAM
- Normal Settings 70-90 fps | High Settings 30-50 fps
- It ran real smooth and great! Problem about the Universal update is that 3rd party mods like the popular Movie Battles II does not work :(

TWLreal
Sep 2, 2006, 10:41 AM
Sim City 4: Rush Hour
-Medium Settings; 1280x1024That's funny when the 13.3" screen's maximum resolution is 1280*800.

Unless you're driving an external 17" LCD of course.

TWLreal
Sep 2, 2006, 11:01 AM
MacBook, 2.0 GHz, 1 GB of RAM, 80 GB 5400 RPM HDD under OS X 10.4.7:

The Sims 2, Mac version, without University and Nightlife expansion packs. Patched to Rev. E for Universal Binary.

Game performance: The game is set to 800*600 and very low quality settings. It lags when moving the camera around. It is playable without losing smoothness but it is slow. I've upped the resolution to 1280*800 and it would only accept the lowest possible quality settings. It seems rather unplayable even with only two Sims in your house.

Bottom line, I wouldn't want to play it at all. If you can bear the camera and movement lag though, I guess it's fine.

Comments: I simply refuse to install Boot Camp and Windows just to play games, therefore I am only interested in OS X versions of games.

I would have to say the amount and quality of OS X ports are rather disappointing. It's understandable of course, but very disappointing for us Mac users.

With that said, back to The Sims 2. The Rev. E patch will help a small bit according to other users, I have never played the game prior to it but hey, it's there at least. Installing either or both University and Nightlife expansion packs will slow the game down even more.

I was impressed that my Intel Mac running the game under Rosetta was able to pull up that kind of performance. It's impressive, it's playable if you have low standards but in the end, I wouldn't play it.

I also have Command & Conquer: Generals and Sim City 4 for OS X but have not installed them yet. I'm going to wait for the Universal Binary patch by Aspyr.

maxrobertson
Sep 2, 2006, 11:35 AM
I have just one question: can it play This Game (http://gmshowcase.dk/index.php?act=download&id=1196)?

MacRumorUser
Sep 2, 2006, 11:44 AM
I have just one question: can it play This Game (http://gmshowcase.dk/index.php?act=download&id=1196)?

Why the link to a zipped file ? That wont open on a mac ? :confused: :confused:

Please choose application to open this file.....

errrr..... the trash can !!!

iProd
Sep 2, 2006, 12:56 PM
Has anyone got Final Fantasy VII to work? :)

bobber205
Sep 2, 2006, 01:06 PM
Zip files open on a mac...:D

sikkinixx
Sep 2, 2006, 01:06 PM
Macbook 1.83Ghz, 512mb Ram, Bootcamp XP Pro

Max Payne II

While the game ran very smoothly with low/medium settings, the widescreen aspect messed things up since I don't think this game has a 16:9 mode :( I gotta reinstall it now that I have my Macbook back and give'r another go!

FFVIII

I can get it installed ok! but for some reason I get the blue screen of death when I try to play it.... Going to reinstall it and try again!

Freedom Fighters

Loads fine, looks pretty good but crashes when I move the character too much :( movements are really quick, almost like the game is running too fast...

iProd
Sep 2, 2006, 01:23 PM
I've gotten FFVII to work. I already had the XP patch, but what I also needed was the motion filter patch, which fixes the movies (that's what was wrong with it, I found out - movies didn't play). And Sikk, I dunno why yours is crashing...XP patch might help.

sikkinixx
Sep 2, 2006, 01:39 PM
I've gotten FFVII to work. I already had the XP patch, but what I also needed was the motion filter patch, which fixes the movies (that's what was wrong with it, I found out - movies didn't play). And Sikk, I dunno why yours is crashing...XP patch might help.

i tried FF8 not 7, im installing 7 right now

iProd
Sep 2, 2006, 02:10 PM
i tried FF8 not 7, im installing 7 right now
Oh, heh, sorry.

sikkinixx
Sep 2, 2006, 05:52 PM
Sim City 4 Deluxe doesnt work for me in Bootcamp :( it loads the EA logo then crashes each time....

the7dwarfs
Sep 2, 2006, 06:51 PM
-Halo - OS X (Rosetta)
-MacBook 1.83 - 2GB
-average 10.16 fsp in Time Demo mode
-i ran the Time Demo, which gave me a more detailed view on what was happening. Im pretty sure it gets higher than 10 fps during gameplay, except for when there are heaps of enemys. It's gonna be much better when the UB comes out, or if you played it on XP.

haha... I grammer the bad... lol ah well, im tired.

The universal binary is already out. http://http://www.destineerstudios.com/destineer/press/press_releases/halo_ub.html (http://www.destineerstudios.com/destineer/press/press_releases/halo_ub.html). unfortunately you have to pay since it is a whole new build not just a patch. It seems to play well, I will try and post fps later.

Edit: just noticed when you posted that comment, and the UB probably wasn't out, My bad

Edit 2: Ran halo universal binary version at 1280x800, vertex shaders only, no anti-aliasing everything else on high or medium

2.0Ghz, 1gb ram

averaged about 30fps and dropped to around 10 in heavy battles.

Dale_Nx26
Sep 2, 2006, 10:19 PM
machine: Macbook 1.83GHz, 1.25GB ram.
game: Sims 2

result: works rather well, very playable. minor lag when up close, but when a good distance away, good fps even when 6 sims are present.

ps. I tried SimsCity 4 as well but unable to get it to work. possibly it's because of my attemp to install on external HD.

maxrobertson
Sep 3, 2006, 12:17 AM
Why the link to a zipped file ? That wont open on a mac ? :confused: :confused:

Please choose application to open this file.....

errrr..... the trash can !!!

Uh... Zips open on a Mac. The game is a PC game, though, so I guess I'm only asking people who have boot camp.

soulatrium
Sep 13, 2006, 12:38 AM
Call of Duty 2 DEMO / Mac OSX
White Macbook, 2GHz, 512MB RAM
FPS: 5-25 ish

I have COD2 on my Xbox 360, and so I know how this game CAN look and play. I was expecting the demo for Mac to be like utter crap. When you first get in the game, it is really choppy for about 3 seconds, with sound cutting in and out, and a few graphical hiccups. However, once you're moving around and whatnot, the game runs rather smooth. The demo is very action packed, and I know the full game doesn't throw much more on the screen. With my stock 512MB of Ram, I'm sure there is room for improvement. Also, it would probably run even better on Windoze. HOWEVER, if all the settings are low, and the res is low (automatic settings), the game is quite playable. And I'm used to the X360 version!

I believe that the COD2 Demo for Mac 1.0 runs in the Rosetta emulation layer, even though the commercial version of the game is Universal Binary.

eXan
Sep 13, 2006, 05:09 AM
I believe that the COD2 Demo for Mac 1.0 runs in the Rosetta emulation layer, even though the commercial version of the game is Universal Binary.

Why the hell would it? If it was non-UB, MacBook would be able to run it at 2 fps!!!

soulatrium
Sep 13, 2006, 11:13 AM
Why the hell would it? If it was non-UB, MacBook would be able to run it at 2 fps!!!

I believe that COD2 came out originally solely optimized for PPC, and then they came out with a UB patch, which would explaing a nonUB demo. And I'm not entirely sure why you're getting angry; I'm solely trying to shed some light on the situation.

bobber205
Sep 13, 2006, 12:26 PM
I'm so proud of this topic! :D

lewion
Sep 13, 2006, 01:47 PM
I'm so proud of this topic! :D
Can't you make a new one and basicly take all the existing information out of this one and start over... people are not doing any tests anymore it seems.. i really hoped that there was getting more info.. the topic start was actually very good :)

bluetorch18
Sep 13, 2006, 04:09 PM
If anyone has a copy of Oblivion, could they try it with the Oldblivion patch please? Just curious to see if it would run...

Dagless
Sep 13, 2006, 04:26 PM
I wonder if Satan Sam (http://satansam.co.uk/games/newsam.zip) runs? :D

Actually... even Titan Omega (http://satansam.co.uk/games/TOR.zip), though 2D can bring a machine to it's knees (... 3 years ago)

crap! sorry I thought this was for Bootcamp or whatever. well. these are PC only, just to warn.

atmenterprises
Sep 13, 2006, 06:20 PM
Same here.

Sim City 4 Deluxe doesnt work for me in Bootcamp :( it loads the EA logo then crashes each time....

eXan
Sep 14, 2006, 07:42 AM
I believe that COD2 came out originally solely optimized for PPC, and then they came out with a UB patch, which would explaing a nonUB demo. And I'm not entirely sure why you're getting angry; I'm solely trying to shed some light on the situation.

Because it seems to me that its clear whether the game is UB or non-UB when is run on intel-iMac.

lmalave
Sep 15, 2006, 01:20 PM
I second this. For me WoW framerates generally are around 15 fps when running around outside. Indoors in cities like Ironforge, it can go up to 30 fps. However in some cities with a lot of activity, it can drop to about 8 fps. Finally, the one time I tried to go into a dungeon with a large party (5 or 6 players and lots of monsters, it was just too much). I didn't have the framerate display on, but it must've been something like 5 fps or less because it was really jerky. If you're doing a dungeon or raid I would set setting slow (especially spell effects, horizon, etc.) and see if you get better framerates.


WoW
2GHz Macbook, 2MB Ram, 100GB 7200 Hitachi HD, OS 10.4.7
Min FPS 4/Max FPS 40/Average FPS 17-19FPS

WoW runs great, depending on where you are (i am not talking about open areas vs. the mailbox at IF). For instance, in ZF, the hallways drop my FPS to 4-5. In Gadgetztan, just in town, i get around 10FPS. I didnt have these problems until my character was high enough level to go to Gadgetztan and ZF (which also happened around the time the 1.11 patch went live). BTW, all my video settings are set to the lowest, running WoW fullscreen, with nothing else running in the background in OSX.

So pre Gadgetztan average FPS 22-25, average FPS in Gadgetztan, ZF, Mara 17-19. Using the stock UI, or using the Insonmiax compilation makes no difference in FPS.

AHDuke99
Sep 22, 2006, 10:34 AM
I tried Halo Universal Binary on my Black Macbook with 2.0GB RAM and it still ran like a dog with vertex and pixel shaders on with a 800x500 resolution. in face, it lagged at any point when you had covenant around. but thankfully, I got this for just $1100 + $300 for the RAM, and am selling it for $1830 on Ebay and buying a macbook pro next week when the meroms come out. Prais the Lord! I recommend not buying a macbook at all if you wish to run any 3D games what so ever. sure, you can turn off the shaders, but then the game looks like crap.

bobber205
Sep 22, 2006, 11:51 AM
I'm finding Halo to run pretty well so far under XP with only 512.

Nimiety
Sep 22, 2006, 01:00 PM
I'll be trying the Baldur's Gate series over the next few days and will post my results. Of course, they aren't UB, so I can only hope that they'll run decently.
N.....

KiDo
Oct 3, 2006, 04:59 AM
nice topic, is there a way we can put all the games in here in one big list? like editting the first post or something?

Nimiety
Oct 5, 2006, 02:03 PM
I have gotten Baldur's Gate II (both SoA and ToB) running just fine, including a whole swath of mods - action looks smooth even in multiplayer mode.

Also installed the UB version of Civilization IV and it looks and runs beautifully.

N.

bobber205
Oct 6, 2006, 03:47 PM
Just wanting to let you guys have a heads-up.

I'm condessing this topic into one topic. I hope it will be stickied.
:D

Machead III
Oct 11, 2006, 05:30 AM
Civ4 playing at an acceptable speed via. bootcamp with only 512mb of ram. The animations and scrolling is a little choppy as expected, but it's perfectly enjoyable, and is realy quite something considering this is baseline ram, and that the difference between 512 and 1gb is immense.

Getting my 2gigs soon.

Anyone tried Metal Gear Solid 2? How about Knights of the Old Republic?

iPoster
Oct 11, 2006, 07:13 PM
I second this. For me WoW framerates generally are around 15 fps when running around outside. Indoors in cities like Ironforge, it can go up to 30 fps. However in some cities with a lot of activity, it can drop to about 8 fps. Finally, the one time I tried to go into a dungeon with a large party (5 or 6 players and lots of monsters, it was just too much). I didn't have the framerate display on, but it must've been something like 5 fps or less because it was really jerky. If you're doing a dungeon or raid I would set setting slow (especially spell effects, horizon, etc.) and see if you get better framerates.

Looks like I'm going to wait and see if the next MacBook rev gets a GPU, the iMac G4 in my signature averages 20-30 FPS or > indoors and at slow outdoors and in the teens (occasionally see 10 FPS) outdoors and sometimes indoors when there is allot of activity. Majority of the time averages in the 20's. That is running at 1440x900 (Windowed!) with other programs running in other windows. Close details set to med/high, distance set to low. But the GF4MX doesn't support shaders, though IIRC neither does the GMA950.

So a 3 year old system 2 generations behind in hardware can keep up with a MacBook in FPS...nice work, Apple!! :rolleyes:

polyethyleneguy
Oct 11, 2006, 08:09 PM
Macbook 2.0GHz, 80GB, 2 Gigs RAM, XP Professional

FIFA 2007 runs great, playing the computer or even on-line against real people. Nobody probably cares though...hehe :rolleyes:
I'm guessing around 25 to 30 fps

bobber205
Oct 11, 2006, 09:13 PM
I hate to do this, but I would like to point everybody's comments to my thread in my sig. If you post them there, I'll try and keep the master list updated.

K!ller
Mar 3, 2007, 11:04 AM
Ive managed to run CS:S and Half Life 2 on a black macbook 2gb ram 2.0ghz.

Unfortunately, it would not run any of the official maps smoothly, as they have more textures. What you need to do to keep it from crashing everytime you run it is, in steam games, right click the game, properties, start options, then enter
-dxlevel 70, then try running the game again. It should work. Note, there is a space before the - in -dxlevel 70.

ricgnzlzcr
Mar 3, 2007, 03:08 PM
Not sure if anyone posted this, but the new Pro Evolution Soccer runs just fine on my macbook. It gets a bit sluggish in intense moments but it is more than playable.

bobber205
Mar 3, 2007, 03:59 PM
I never thought this thread would again see the light of day... ;)

Moo00
Apr 3, 2007, 12:23 AM
Nba Live 2007 NBA 2K7 or NFL Madden?

Hi guys:

Was wondering if anyone used Windows to run this on a Macbook or Macbook pro?

I'm thinking of buying a 2.0 Ghz, 2 GB ram Macbook 13.3 inches. Does anyone ever have trouble with heat issues? With the Mac book size with games in general?

This thread rocks!

Blazed117
May 25, 2007, 10:54 PM
Counterstrike 1.6
Macbook 2ghz, 1GB Ram, 60GB HD, Built in intel vid card,
Running BootCamp 1.2 + Windows XP Pro SP2
60-99FPS on ALL Maps.
console settings changed,
hud_fastswitch 1
r_mmx 1
fps_max 101
cl_rate 9999
rate 25000
cl_updaterate 23

bobber205
May 25, 2007, 10:55 PM
It arises once again. :eek:

eXan
May 26, 2007, 02:35 AM
It arises once again. :eek:

Well, Macbook still has Intel graphics, so ...

lewion
May 27, 2007, 07:35 AM
Well, Macbook still has Intel graphics, so ...

Ahum... yes it has hasn't it :D

Well you can run COD2 (mac version) Heroes of Might and Magic 5 and Myst URU pretty well though!!!!! (it's gma950 supported!!!)

Just to let you know

varshneya
Jun 7, 2007, 05:01 AM
can someone please tell if Diablo 2 : LOD , Guild Wars and HOMM5 will run on macbook(black) ( thinking of buying a macbook). currently i am playing these on a pc.

also please advise the performance of these games on macbook.

tks

FreedomFighter
Jul 15, 2007, 04:32 PM
Has anyone tested C&C 3? fps? Graphic settings? computer see sig





_____________________________________________

White Macbook 2.16 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 120 GB HD

Igantius
Jul 23, 2007, 09:05 AM
can someone please tell if Diablo 2 : LOD , Guild Wars and HOMM5 will run on macbook(black) ( thinking of buying a macbook). currently i am playing these on a pc.

also please advise the performance of these games on macbook.

tks

In terms of personal experience, can only comment on Guild Wars on a 2.0GHz MB - with 1GB RAM, it run very well, highest FPS was about 58 and was comparable to playing it on a friend's PC gaming rig (not sure of its specs, but it's not exactly a bare bones machine :p), albeit the latter was better graphically, but not too any serious point. Use 2GB RAM and it's even nicer (naturally!)

Diablo 2 - is there any Intel patch? In any case, sure it would play v. nicely
via Boot Camp.

One reviewer of HOMM5 (think it might have been Insidemacgames.com) used his MB to review the game, if memory serves me right, it played PD well.

Tumeg101
Aug 10, 2007, 11:53 AM
Can someone try guild wars???

zeppelin68
Aug 13, 2007, 11:12 AM
does anyone know how these games would run?

Half life 2
Gmod 10
Far Cry

MacSniper
Aug 14, 2007, 01:36 AM
macbook 2ghz
1gb ram
80gb hard drive


(XP)half life 2:works but crashes in game,frame rate 20-25 gets a bit choppy
(XP)gmod:screen goes black when launched
(XP)Oblivion:you have to get oldblivion installed to play 30-40 fps on low
(XP)Prey:works but framerate around 10-15 fps
(XP)battle field 1942: around 40-50 fps on high settings
(XP)Doom 3:20-30 fps
(XP)Halo CE:20-25 fps on meduim settings
(XP)Far cry:30-40fps on low settings
(XP)Morrowind:30-40 fps sometimes higher High settings
(XP)Half life 1: above 80 fps
(XP)Swat 4:a bit choppy in some areas bit is enjoyable most of the time 10-30 Fps
(XP)Worms 3D:70-80 Fps
(XP)GTA vice city:50-40 fps
(OSX universial) cod2: as most people have said 30 fps
(OSX universial)Quake 4: a bit higher than doom 3
(OSX rosseta)Halo: a bit choppy in some places
(OSX universial)Cod1: around 40 fps
(OSX universial) warcraft 3: 30-40 Fps
(OSX universial)The frozen Throne same as warcraft 3
(OSX universial)WOW:choppy in some places not sure the frame rate though
(OSX universial)Quake 3:70-80
(OSX universial)Medal of honor:Choppy at high settings but ok frame rate at lower.

I hopy i helped some people. :D

maukku
Aug 14, 2007, 05:46 AM
Hello everybody! (my first post on the forum!)

I am going to buy the base model macbook, with 2.0 ghz core 2 duo, and 1gb memory, but I have been wondering, that how does Desperados 2 (http://www.spellbound.de/web/en/sb.php?m0=p_d2&r0=p_d2r&id=5&id2=1) run on macbook (with boot camp + windows xp of course)?

Btw, this thread rocks! :D


And sorry for my bad english!

formkatze
Aug 14, 2007, 06:35 AM
I'm relatively certain that CS: Source can be more than playable on a MacBook. If you're curious about the issue or interested in helping find a solution, please check out my thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=209966&page=15). Thanks!

Demi
Oct 11, 2007, 03:54 PM
I have tried to get Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines working for some time now without success. Has anyone gotten it to work or do they have any tips on how to do it?

I have tried to install the different patches but it hasn't helped. The error is always the same. It starts loading and then just shuts down.

please send a mail to hravn.forsne@gmail.com
I am currently trying to get things working on the boot camp.

roychen
Oct 11, 2007, 08:04 PM
I've seen a few threads about the Orange Box compilation games running on MBPs and iMacs.. has anyone successfully played TF2 on a MacBook, through Boot Camp of course.

bobber205
Oct 11, 2007, 08:08 PM
This is the longest lasting thread I have ever made. More than 15 months old.

triobot
Nov 6, 2007, 04:45 PM
i'm guessing that the orange box compilation would work on a macbook but that's theoretical. The only reason it would run is cos its the same engine, nothing else. If CS:S and HL2 series run it on the settings, i don't see why not.

I can't wait to get my macbook, its got the intel GMA X3100 ~ not excellent but an upgrade. Once i get this, i will test some games as i will have nothing else to do in my spare time at uni !

Kwub
Nov 13, 2007, 09:10 PM
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Oldblivion) XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30fps+ on medium settings indoors, outdoors no more than 20 FPS on lowest settings
- After countless hours of tweaking, I still haven't been able to enter the outdoor "world" of Oblivion at frame rates higher than 15-20 FPS on the absolutely LOWEST settings in Oldblivion - and just to note, the game looks so horrifically bad on lowest settings that I would honestly almost call it unplayable. Seriously, you can't see more than 20 feet away due to the fog (which is necessary to get it to move at these speeds), and it looks worse than Doom at points. Yes, the ORIGINAL Doom. Attempting to run Oldblivion outdoors on medium/high settings results in frame rates around 5 FPS or lower.
On the other hand, the game runs perfectly well indoors on medium settings, and looks quite beautiful at points. However, given the outdoor state of the game, I would suggest you question whether it's even worth the trouble, given that you will spend at least half of your time outdoors.

Kwub
Nov 14, 2007, 03:12 PM
Dark Messiah: Might and Magic XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30fps indoors, 15-20fps outdoors (low settings)
- After several hours of configuration tweaking and application of various parameter tricks, I managed to get Dark Messiah running remarkably well on my Macbook. The game looks absolutely stunning even on the lowest settings (provided you've applied the necessary config.ini changes, see tweakguides.com) under DirectX 8, and despite some slowdown outdoors it always remains very playable, gorgeous spell effects and all (not to mention beautifully savage decapitations).
The major problem is that, despite my best efforts, multiplayer remains virtually unplayable. The multiplayer maps are so large and contain so many players that they rarely perform above 10fps outdoors, which is obviously unacceptable for a competitive multiplayer title.
Still, the singleplayer of this game is absolutely incredible, and well worth the ridiculously low price tag on Steam. In fact, it may just be the best $20 I ever spent on gaming.


Neverwinter Nights XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30-40fps on highest settings.
- The game looks absolutely gorgeous and runs perfectly on the highest settings. I have yet to try Shadows of Undrentide or Hordes of the Underdark, but I suspect they will be equally playable.


Unreal Tournament 2004 OSX, UB update
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 20 fps on highest settings, 30-40 fps on medium, 50-60 on lowest
- Absolutely no problems whatsoever since installing the UB update. The best part is that you can install this game natively on a Mac WITHOUT buying the Mac edition, instead opting for the (vastly cheaper) Windows version.
Instructions:
1. First, simply download and install the UT2004 Mac demo from Macgamefiles.
2. Rename "Unreal Tournament 2004 Demo.app" to "Unreal Tournament 2004.app"
3. Unpack the app and rename the Unix binary file inside in the same way, removing "demo" from the title.
4. Viewing the app in unpacked mode, unpack your copy of the game from your Windows CD version and drag the corresponding files/folders (maps, textures, sounds, music, etc.) to the Mac app, replacing everything (you can ignore the DLL files).
5. Apply the Universal Binary update. The update will say it can't find your copy of UT2004; simply select the app manually and you'll have no problem.
6. Unpack the UT2004 app and create a plain text file named "cdkey" (without the quotes) inside the System folder. Within that file, type your Windows version CD-key, including dashes.
7. That's it! You're all set and ready to play UT2004 natively on your Mac, WITHOUT spending a huge sum of money on the overpriced Mac version. Pick up the Windows UT2004 for under $10 on Amazon today; it's without a doubt the greatest multiplayer FPS in existence, as far as I'm concerned.


Warcraft 3 and The Frozen Throne OSX, UB update
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 50fps average, occasionally slows down to about 40fps when unit cap is reached and units span the entire screen.
- Runs absolutely perfectly, except for its annoying tendency to occasionally lock up when you exit the program without disconnecting properly from Battle.net. To solve this issue, simply make sure to log out from Bnet completely before quitting the game (or simply go into Windowed mode before quitting in order to avoid locking up your entire computer).


Doom 3 OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 15fps average
- Runs horribly on lowest settings. Not worth anyone's time of day.


Quake IV OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 25fps indoors on low settings, 10-15fps outdoors
- Runs tolerably well on low settings, but outdoor portions can really suck the fun of it due to terrible drops in framerate. Multiplayer runs at virtually unplayable framerates on many maps (below 10fps much of the time).


Civilization IV OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 20fps on lowest settings.
- Runs decently at lowest settings, but looks atrocious graphically. This game does not, repeat, does NOT scale well on low-end systems like the Macbook.

Dark Messiah: Might and Magic XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30fps indoors, 15-20fps outdoors (low settings)
- After several hours of configuration tweaking and application of various parameter tricks, I managed to get Dark Messiah running remarkably well on my Macbook. The game looks absolutely stunning even on the lowest settings (provided you've applied the necessary config.ini changes, see tweakguides.com) under DirectX 8, and despite some slowdown outdoors it always remains very playable, gorgeous spell effects and all (not to mention beautifully savage decapitations).
The major problem is that, despite my best efforts, multiplayer remains virtually unplayable. The multiplayer maps are so large and contain so many players that they rarely perform above 10fps outdoors, which is obviously unacceptable for a competitive multiplayer title.
Still, the singleplayer of this game is absolutely incredible, and well worth the ridiculously low price tag on Steam. In fact, it may just be the best $20 I ever spent on gaming.


Neverwinter Nights XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30-40fps on highest settings.
- The game looks absolutely gorgeous and runs perfectly on the highest settings. I have yet to try Shadows of Undrentide or Hordes of the Underdark, but I suspect they will be equally playable.


Unreal Tournament 2004 OSX, UB update
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 20 fps on highest settings, 30-40 fps on medium, 50-60 on lowest
- Absolutely no problems whatsoever since installing the UB update. The best part is that you can install this game natively on a Mac WITHOUT buying the Mac edition, instead opting for the (vastly cheaper) Windows version.
Instructions:
1. First, simply download and install the UT2004 Mac demo from Macgamefiles.
2. Rename "Unreal Tournament 2004 Demo.app" to "Unreal Tournament 2004.app"
3. Unpack the app and rename the Unix binary file inside in the same way, removing "demo" from the title.
4. Viewing the app in unpacked mode, unpack your copy of the game from your Windows CD version and drag the corresponding files/folders (maps, textures, sounds, music, etc.) to the Mac app, replacing everything (you can ignore the DLL files).
5. Apply the Universal Binary update. The update will say it can't find your copy of UT2004; simply select the app manually and you'll have no problem.
6. Unpack the UT2004 app and create a plain text file named "cdkey" (without the quotes) inside the System folder. Within that file, type your Windows version CD-key, including dashes.
7. That's it! You're all set and ready to play UT2004 natively on your Mac, WITHOUT spending a huge sum of money on the overpriced Mac version. Pick up the Windows UT2004 for under $10 on Amazon today; it's without a doubt the greatest multiplayer FPS in existence, as far as I'm concerned.


Warcraft 3 and The Frozen Throne OSX, UB update
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 50fps average, occasionally slows down to about 40fps when unit cap is reached and units span the entire screen.
- Runs absolutely perfectly, except for its annoying tendency to occasionally lock up when you exit the program without disconnecting properly from Battle.net. To solve this issue, simply make sure to log out from Bnet completely before quitting the game (or simply go into Windowed mode before quitting in order to avoid locking up your entire computer).


Doom 3 OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 15fps average
- Runs horribly on lowest settings. Not worth anyone's time of day.


Quake IV OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 25fps indoors on low settings, 10-15fps outdoors
- Runs tolerably well on low settings, but outdoor portions can really suck the fun of it due to terrible drops in framerate. Multiplayer runs at virtually unplayable framerates on many maps (below 10fps much of the time).



Call of Duty 2 OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 50fps indoors on high settings, 20-30fps outdoors on high settings.
- Runs beautifully. Indoors, the game is absolutely indistinguishable from its Xbox 360 counterpart - and this is on a Macbook! Outdoors, performance ranges from acceptable to excellent depending on the scale of the battle, although heavy presence of smoke can cause the framerate to stutter significantly, even dropping as low as 15fps inside a heavy cloud (lowering settings does nothing to alleviate this).
Highly recommended, possibly the most graphically impressive title I've ever seen running natively on OSX.


Dark Messiah: Might and Magic XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30fps indoors, 15-20fps outdoors (low settings)
- After several hours of configuration tweaking and application of various parameter tricks, I managed to get Dark Messiah running remarkably well on my Macbook. The game looks absolutely stunning even on the lowest settings (provided you've applied the necessary config.ini changes, see tweakguides.com) under DirectX 8, and despite some slowdown outdoors it always remains very playable, gorgeous spell effects and all (not to mention beautifully savage decapitations).
The major problem is that, despite my best efforts, multiplayer remains virtually unplayable. The multiplayer maps are so large and contain so many players that they rarely perform above 10fps outdoors, which is obviously unacceptable for a competitive multiplayer title.
Still, the singleplayer of this game is absolutely incredible, and well worth the ridiculously low price tag on Steam. In fact, it may just be the best $20 I ever spent on gaming.


Neverwinter Nights XP / Bootcamp
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 30-40fps on highest settings.
- The game looks absolutely gorgeous and runs perfectly on the highest settings. I have yet to try Shadows of Undrentide or Hordes of the Underdark, but I suspect they will be equally playable.


Unreal Tournament 2004 OSX, UB update
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 20 fps on highest settings, 30-40 fps on medium, 50-60 on lowest
- Absolutely no problems whatsoever since installing the UB update. The best part is that you can install this game natively on a Mac WITHOUT buying the Mac edition, instead opting for the (vastly cheaper) Windows version.
Instructions:
1. First, simply download and install the UT2004 Mac demo from Macgamefiles.
2. Rename "Unreal Tournament 2004 Demo.app" to "Unreal Tournament 2004.app"
3. Unpack the app and rename the Unix binary file inside in the same way, removing "demo" from the title.
4. Viewing the app in unpacked mode, unpack your copy of the game from your Windows CD version and drag the corresponding files/folders (maps, textures, sounds, music, etc.) to the Mac app, replacing everything (you can ignore the DLL files).
5. Apply the Universal Binary update. The update will say it can't find your copy of UT2004; simply select the app manually and you'll have no problem.
6. Unpack the UT2004 app and create a plain text file named "cdkey" (without the quotes) inside the System folder. Within that file, type your Windows version CD-key, including dashes.
7. That's it! You're all set and ready to play UT2004 natively on your Mac, WITHOUT spending a huge sum of money on the overpriced Mac version. Pick up the Windows UT2004 for under $10 on Amazon today; it's without a doubt the greatest multiplayer FPS in existence, as far as I'm concerned.


Warcraft 3 and The Frozen Throne OSX, UB update
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 50fps average, occasionally slows down to about 40fps when unit cap is reached and units span the entire screen.
- Runs absolutely perfectly, except for its annoying tendency to occasionally lock up when you exit the program without disconnecting properly from Battle.net. To solve this issue, simply make sure to log out from Bnet completely before quitting the game (or simply go into Windowed mode before quitting in order to avoid locking up your entire computer).


Doom 3 OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 15fps average
- Runs horribly on lowest settings. Not worth anyone's time of day.


Quake IV OSX
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 25fps indoors on low settings, 10-15fps outdoors
- Runs tolerably well on low settings, but outdoor portions can really suck the fun of it due to terrible drops in framerate. Multiplayer runs at virtually unplayable framerates on many maps (below 10fps much of the time).


Counterstrike: Source OSX via Crossover Mac (runs through Mac's native CGL)
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 20-25fps on medium/low settings, significantly reduced performance on high settings (read: unplayable, 10fps and under).
- While unplayable via Boot Camp, CS:S runs quite well natively on my Macbook via Crossover, as I discovered the other day. I rarely experienced any slowdown or stuttering, although I will note that playing CS:S at 20fps can cause a hit to skill for those used to playing it on much better machines (as I am). Still, it runs well enough to be highly recommended for fans who are tired of playing CS 1.6.


Half-Life 2 OSX via Crossover Mac
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 25-30fps on medium settings.
- Runs remarkably well natively through Crossover, with the exception of the introduction cutscene and the credits (both of which appear as a black screen). Results are, on average, just as good as my experiences with HL2 on Bootcamp.


Half-Life 2: Episode One OSX via Crossover Mac
- MacBook 2GHz, 2GB RAM
- 20fps on lowest settings.
- Runs at a playable rate on lowest settings through Crossover, again with the exception of the introduction cutscene and the credits (both of which appear as a black screen, exactly as with HL2). The frame rate can occasionally slow down to as low as 15fps during intense firefights, which is rather disappointing and reduces the entertainment value of the game significantly at times. Still, it plays well enough that I still recommend it; however, if you have Boot Camp, the difference in performance is significant enough that I would still encourage you to play the game on your Windows XP partition.



Well, that's enough for the moment. I've got a host of other games I plan to re-install on my Macbook in order to accurately rate for the benefit of other members here. I know just how frustrating it is to meet the minimum requirements for a game and find out it's absolutely unplayable, or to hesitate buying games at all because of it. Hopefully my test results are useful for others in that same situation.

Red Sox
Nov 14, 2007, 06:56 PM
Thanks Kwub! All of this info is extremely helpful. Time to install more games on my MacBook!

Kwub
Nov 14, 2007, 11:53 PM
Whoops, sorry about the redundancy - not sure how that happened.

LimeiBook86
Nov 15, 2007, 04:24 AM
Whoops, sorry about the redundancy - not sure how that happened.

It's ok, just click Edit under the post and you can delete the extra text. :)

I remember trying to run Halo (Universal Binary) on my MacBook and I got horrible results, however Unreal Tournament 2004 (as seen by the results) actually ran pretty well and was smooth with the details turned down. :D

Kwub
Nov 15, 2007, 03:50 PM
It's ok, just click Edit under the post and you can delete the extra text. :)

I remember trying to run Halo (Universal Binary) on my MacBook and I got horrible results, however Unreal Tournament 2004 (as seen by the results) actually ran pretty well and was smooth with the details turned down. :D

Did you play the UB update of UT2004? Because I've been able to achieve rather impressive framerates even with fairly high settings.
Actually, I had very good experiences with the UB version of Halo as well. I haven't played it in quite some time, but if I remember correctly I managed to achieve a good 25fps outdoors on the right settings (around medium), which was certainly not horrible by any means.
Also, what are your Macbook stats? Both these titles are extremely RAM-intensive games (especially UT2004), and from what I've been told the processor speed makes a remarkable difference for Halo.

jegbook
Dec 3, 2007, 12:18 AM
To Kwub,

Wow! That's a lot of good info on gaming. Can we assume that your MacBook has the new X3100 integrated graphics chip?

Also, any tips on how to know what a game will be most hungry for hardware-wise, i.e.- one game likes a lot of RAM, another benefits from a fast CPU, and another is all about the GPU?

Thanks!

Kwub
Dec 3, 2007, 07:49 PM
To Kwub,

Wow! That's a lot of good info on gaming. Can we assume that your MacBook has the new X3100 integrated graphics chip?

Also, any tips on how to know what a game will be most hungry for hardware-wise, i.e.- one game likes a lot of RAM, another benefits from a fast CPU, and another is all about the GPU?

Thanks!


It's actually a GMA 950, not the X3100. I can start posting extensive testing results on individual games, but for the moment I've essentially been installing them, tweaking them around, and playing them for an hour or so before uninstalling and moving on to testing the next.
For the most part, RAM seems to be consistently the single most important factor affecting the titles I've tested, seeing how much worse they perform on otherwise identical Macbooks with merely 1 gb of RAM instead of 2.

jegbook
Dec 6, 2007, 07:39 PM
Thanks for the reply, Kwub.

You give me hope that Oblivion might play decently on my new 2.2GHz BlackBook with x3100 and 4GB of RAM (don't worry, I didn't buy the RAM from Apple!). Unfortunately, 32bit XP Pro can only address 3GB of RAM, but still not too shabby.

When I get a chance to try some games, I'll give a report to this thread.

Happy gaming!

Kwub
Dec 7, 2007, 03:56 AM
Thanks for the reply, Kwub.

You give me hope that Oblivion might play decently on my new 2.2GHz BlackBook with x3100 and 4GB of RAM (don't worry, I didn't buy the RAM from Apple!). Unfortunately, 32bit XP Pro can only address 3GB of RAM, but still not too shabby.

When I get a chance to try some games, I'll give a report to this thread.

Happy gaming!

Let me know what sort of results you get with the x3100. It would be very interesting to see a truly playable Oblivion (outdoors, that is) on a non-Pro Macbook.

jegbook
Dec 10, 2007, 08:46 PM
Had some extra money in pocket at Target last night and plunked the $30 down for Oblivion.

So far, though, it won't run. I've messed with a few things and run DXDiag, which all went swimmingly, straight through DX9 hardware acceleration.

And when I say won't run, I mean, it doesn't launch. I get a little window in the upper left and then an error message saying it had to close.

Oldblivion didn't change the situation at all. Highly considering taking it back and trading for NWN2.

I downloaded Call of Duty - United Offense Demo last week. Cranked it to highest settings and it ran great. So go figure.

Any hints?
: )

jegbook
Dec 11, 2007, 07:45 AM
Success. Not the RAM.

Not surprisingly, I suppose, I beileve it was the driver for the GMA965. The driver that Apple installs is not on Intel's build list. I had downloaded Intel's latest offering, the 14.31.10.4864 but hadn't installed as it seemed that it, too, had some bugs that weren't necessarily any better than the .48XX official release before .4864.

But with 14.31.4864 Oblvion came right up. Interesting game so far. Haven't gotten outside, yet, but I think I'm close.

1280x800 at low settings did look nice and played fine if I were just walking around on my own, but definitely slowed up a bit when action got underway with 2 or 3 enemies. I need to look up to see how to get it to show FPS. Still not sold on the game. Not sure how I feel about the First Person Shooter style of RPG. I feel like my character would be more successful if combat were left to the dice, but then, lining up an arrow shot from distance makes me feel like I'm sniping, which is neat.

One of the things about RPG that I dig is party play. I like Baldur's Gate II better than Neverwinter Nights (which looks and interacts awesome) because the story is so much richer.

Anywho, second report is pretty decent.

JSchwage
Dec 11, 2007, 08:00 AM
Plasma Pong 1.3c (Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard)
- Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB memory, Intel GMA 950
- 48 to 52 fps on average (1280x800)
Plasma Pong isn't too intensive on the graphics side of things, but 50 fps is amazing compared to 25 fps on my older machine running Vista.

Paintball 2.0 (http://digitalpaint.planetquake.gamespy.com/) Alpha build019 (Windows XP)
- Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB memory, Intel GMA 950
- 30 fps (1280x800)
The framerate is just a guess. As far as I know, there's no way of me knowing for sure, but the framerate is quite smooth compared to it running on my Vista machine with an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500.

All in all I find the Intel GMA 950 to be enough for the casual or light gamer.

P.S. Just a suggestion to the thread starter. You might want to require people to post the screen resolution used for each game as this definitely has an effect on the framerate.

gunthian
Dec 30, 2007, 04:34 PM
Gothic, Gothic 2 Gold - Macbook, stock white 2.2 GHz (GMA3100, 1GB RAM)

Gothic runs perfectly (still buggy) on max settings. Gothic 2 Gold (so far) is running well on maximum settings, gets slightly choppy sometimes when there's a wide area in sight. Might be perfect with extra RAM.

Don't think I'm going to even try to run Gothic 3, though.

jegbook
Jan 1, 2008, 03:06 PM
It's been a while, but I have some more results on some games.

Oblivion: Well, I got bored. I returned the game. What I did find was curious. I did get outside and to the city. I seemed to max out at about 10fps outdoors. I might have seen upper teens indoors. Mostly, though, I was about 7 or 8 fps outdoors. I played with most effects turned off at either 1024x768 or 1280x800. Adding effects definitely slowed things down, to about 5fps. Interestingly, resolution didn't seem to have much effect. If I put everything at the lowest, outdoors I might have gotten about 9fps. So, I think what I did play was at 1280x800, 'cus I figured if it's gonna be pokey, it might as well look nice. On the other hand, I didn't think 7/8fps was so bad and would consider it playable. Though, I didn't have any combat outdoors.

NeverWinter Nights 2 (for Windows): what I returned Oblivion for. I was quickly pulled into the story. I've played that at 1280x800, too, as resolution seems to have virtually no effect on fps. Again, I figure if it's gonna run slow, it might as well look nice. Again, I get about 7/8fps at 1280x800 at low detail, low shadow, and no extra shadow effects on. More shadow effects definitely slow things down, maybe 5pfs. Rotating the camera by moving the mouse to the edge of the screen is jumpy, but using the arrow keys is pretty smooth. Using the keyboard for movement has a little lag and lacks precision, but is doable. Overall, I find the game very playable and very enjoyable. Even with low detail, at 1280x800 (native resolution for the MacBook) the game looks nice and sharp.

Testing different settings with Oblivion and NWN2 and reading reports that 30fps should be minimum for RPG, I went back to NWN 1 for Mac.

I had finished the original NWN 1 on my 12"PBG4, 1.5/768, 64VRAM NVIDIA FX5200GO and had played that at pretty high settings with good results.

I copied over my old install of NWN 1 to my MacBook and gave it a go. The only saved games I still had were from Hordes of the Underdark in the dungeon. I found that I am getting low to mid 20s on fps regardless of settings. I couldn't do anything to get higher than 27/28fps. Regardless of reported fps, camera rotation and movement was always very smooth and everything looked fabulous: detail and multiple dancing shadows on all three characters in the party and other effects in the game.

So what's the deal with FPS in RPGs? Why the "need" for such high fps?

A couple more reports (all in OSX):

Rise of Nations Gold for Mac: seems to play fine (no noticeable difference from my 12"PBG4 noted above).

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn: also seems to play well, possibly a bit faster than on my 12"PBG4 (I play at 1024x768 with "3d effects" turned off).

Medal of Honor: Allied Assault: runs great. First set up was with mostly high options and ran about 70fps. I then turned everything to highest and it dropped to 30-40fps with occasional dips below 30. Still quite nice.

Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Spearhead and Breakthrough: neither would launch. I spent maybe a couple hours digging through config files and the packages. Both Spearhead and Breakthrough get stuck at launch with what appears to be an inability to load OpenGL correctly. Phooey. This seems to be a hit or miss thing on Intel Macs. A big "Huh."

That's all I got!

Mushrooshi
Jan 1, 2008, 03:15 PM
THis is for the Intel GMA 950 macbook.

2.16ghz
1gb ram

Portal all low settings, portal render depth 2 : Playable, usually 20FPS or so, except in big vast areas. Horribel lighting, but you get used to it.

Team Fortress 2: CHoppy, Barely Playable, 10FPS or so, medium settings. Ironically runs better on medium than on low.

HalfLife 2: Very good, Very smooth, Medium-high settings.

Soab
Jan 2, 2008, 08:17 AM
Hey i've previously posted my results in the thread "Macbook games, what ive tried", but i can see that my experience is useful for this thread's readers.
I have the newest macbook (GMA X3100) with 1 gb ram and 2 GHz CPU.

All Source engine games
All playable in windows. But you must set -dxlevel 81 in launch options, this makes it run under DirectX 8.1. Especially if you want TF2 and CS:S to be playable. Team Fortress 2 and HL2 ep2 will run a bit worse then the oldest source games, but playable at the cost of graphics detail. TF2 playable except at distant outdoor views. Portal works like a charm.

WOW
Runs totally fine in 1200x800. I havent touched the quality settings cause it runs fine both in normal and windowed mode. Can run many apps in the background at the same time too. Lags when i fly into undercity, but not when i walk around. have only played to lvl 20 so havent been in a crowded city, but i assume i will have to decrease quality settings then to run smoothly.

Starcraft
Works like a charm (no surprise:P) and is a game that i recommend to everybody. Lots of fun playing a lan game against friends. Can play lan games with windows machines as well as Macs. Just remember to upgrade everyones game with the lastes update :)

Ford Racing 2
Works fine under medium/low settings. Okey game for the bus etc... But close to be the worst driving game i've played.

See my post on page 16 in the "Macbook games, what ive tried"-thread for more specific info about the steam games.

Im getting 4gb of ram tomorrow. I hope this will increase the performance! I will post here if it does:)

-Soab

aaro
Jan 4, 2008, 12:23 PM
Team Fortress 2
-2.0 ghz
-1 gig of ram
-Vista
-X3100 graphics

Well alot of people were saying how they could run TF2 on their mac, so I thought I'd give it a try. It failed.

A FPS of 5-10 on average. Barely playable. I was very dissapointed. Obviously pulled down all the graphics and stuff, but still unplayable. Tried dxlevel 80, but to no avail.

Word of advice, use crossover. I heard it got a better framerate.

Soab
Jan 5, 2008, 09:24 AM
Cant agree fully with you on that. i get at least 20-30 fps, and the game is playable except at places where you see a long way. I think your problem is that you dont have the latest driver for vista, i experienced a great difference. From hl2 not running at all to running playable. But all in all i wouldnt recommend this computer for playing tf2.

aaro
Jan 6, 2008, 07:19 PM
Well actually, I did get the latest version. Or at least I think I did.

Information says 7.14.10.1364 is the version I have. Maybe Installation went wrong???

Anyways, I managed to get it up to 10-20 fps, somewhat playable.

Could you explain your tweakings?

*EDIT* Rofl nvm at what I just said.

N.B.Morton
Jan 6, 2008, 10:45 PM
Has anyone played Age of Empires 3 on the 2.2 macbook SR?

I read through the thread and didn't see anything about it?

asphalt-proof
Jan 25, 2008, 11:58 AM
Ok, just to extend this thread a bit longer.

I am looking at getting a Macbook 2.2. with 2 gigs of ram. The games I am interested in playing under WIndows are Call of Duty and Counterstrike: Source. I will be playing these games at lan parties. Is this possible with this machine?
Thanks.

Red Sox
Jan 25, 2008, 05:55 PM
Ok, just to extend this thread a bit longer.

I am looking at getting a Macbook 2.2. with 2 gigs of ram. The games I am interested in playing under WIndows are Call of Duty and Counterstrike: Source. I will be playing these games at lan parties. Is this possible with this machine?
Thanks.

I haven't tried cal of duty, but counter strike source is very playable. At max resolution and medium graphics quality, I've been getting around 45 FPS. This is with windows xp via bootcamp.

comictimes
Jan 25, 2008, 09:48 PM
Ok, just to extend this thread a bit longer.

I am looking at getting a Macbook 2.2. with 2 gigs of ram. The games I am interested in playing under WIndows are Call of Duty and Counterstrike: Source. I will be playing these games at lan parties. Is this possible with this machine?
Thanks.

Call of Duty 1 and 2 are fine, but 4 won't work at all. As in Windows won't even open it because the graphics card in the Macbook (if you can call it that) doesn't have some stuff necessary to run the game.

Soab
Jan 26, 2008, 06:56 AM
It is possible but i will not recommend it, your fps will not be good enaugh at all maps, and it will make it hard for u to own ut friends:P

paddy
Jan 26, 2008, 07:20 AM
Has anyone played Age of Empires 3 on the 2.2 macbook SR?

I read through the thread and didn't see anything about it?

Yup, I installed AoE 3 on my MB 2.16 1GB, ran perfectly for me, just make sure to turn the settings down a bit thought. Rome: Total War worked like a charm for me too. :D

jegbook
Jan 27, 2008, 04:15 PM
From all that I've read in comparison between the GMA950 and the GMA 965 in the MacBooks when booted into Win XP or Vista, it seems that it's not a fair comparison.

That is to say, if something works well with the GMA950, that does not mean it will work well the GMA965/X3100. This seems to be a driver issue. The Windows drivers for the GMA950 seem MUCH more capable than the Windows drivers for the GMA965/X3100. Even though the hardware of the GMA965 has much better potential than the GMA950, the software for the GMA965 seems to be lacking.

The real world results? The GMA950 may provide better results than the GMA965 until Intel writes a driver that fully enables all the hardware benefits of the GMA965.

Any real-world experience of this theory?

spamcop
Jan 30, 2008, 03:27 PM
Hi, my results from playing on Macbook (CPU 2GHz, 1GB RAM 667Mhz, GMA950) using Bootcamp (WinXP sp2)

"perfect" means more than 50 FPS.

Quake 3 Arena perfect!
Jedi Academy perfect!
Soldat perfect!
Warcraft 3 perfect!
Trackmania Nations perfect!
Desperados perfect!
The curse of Monkey Island 3 perfect!

:)