Shiira 2.0 (I might become a fan) [Archive]

radiantm3

Jul 23, 2006, 04:25 PM

I've never been a fan of shiira as it's a pretty ugly looking browser IMO. I do love webkit and the idea of shiira (and omniweb) which is using webkit and focusing on browser features. Seeing the screenshots of shiira 2.0 has gotten me really interested in what's to come. This might have been posted somewhere already, but I did a search and didn't see anything in a thread title.

-> http://mark.alittlenoise.com/blog/?p=22

The screenshots look amazing. I really can't wait to try out the public beta.

MacRumoron

Jul 23, 2006, 07:22 PM

wow.. it looks 10x better

i might switch too, we will see :p

Kirbdog

Jul 23, 2006, 08:02 PM

Does anyone know where Shiira 2.0 Beta is posted? I really like Shiira but stopped using it when I got my iMac and it was not universal.

mark!

Jul 23, 2006, 08:10 PM

Does anyone know where Shiira 2.0 Beta is posted? I really like Shiira but stopped using it when I got my iMac and it was not universal.

It is universal right now, and I have the beta 2 but it is in japenese, so if anyone wants the japenese one I'll give it to you. just pm me :)

EDIT: i find 2.0 much faster, but the preferences still have to be worked on. right now the interface looks funny because this is still in early development (sorta).

DarkNetworks

Jul 23, 2006, 09:50 PM

I've made the switch and it's almost flawless...

bousozoku

Jul 23, 2006, 10:35 PM

If the source can be trusted, the screenshots all look like show.

Shiira 1.2.x would be much better if simple things like auto-fill worked and the cursor didn't jump from field to field while trying to enter text.

mark!

Jul 23, 2006, 10:56 PM

mduser63

Jul 23, 2006, 11:00 PM

It is universal right now, and I have the beta 2 but it is in japenese, so if anyone wants the japenese one I'll give it to you. just pm me :)

I've got the English one, though I can't quite remember where I found it. Anyway, it's nice I suppose, though I'm not sure I can figure out why it's any better than the current Shiira?

bousozoku

Jul 23, 2006, 11:10 PM

no, it looks like that. i have the beta. its...kinda...weird though.

It's just good that he went with the Unified look-and-feel. I suspect we'll be seeing more of that with the translucent preference dialog boxes with Leopard. Hopefully, the system will be completely converted.

I'm sure that Shiira will continue to develop in good ways. I just hope that the functionality is improved, as well as the looks. I almost don't care how the browser looks but I still find Shiira a bit haphazard to use, in any language.

mark!

Jul 23, 2006, 11:30 PM

I've got the English one, though I can't quite remember where I found it. Anyway, it's nice I suppose, though I'm not sure I can figure out why it's any better than the current Shiira?

Can you zip the actual appication & send me one?
If you could that'd be teh great :)

eji

Jul 24, 2006, 02:15 AM

This looks good. These are all features I would have expected to see in Safari come Tiger, but it looks like Apple was still bringing their browser up to speed before building more bells and whistles into it (aside from RSS, I mean).

But what's up with those toolbar icons? Yegh. There are so many good and gratis sets floating around, you'd think they would have dropped in something a bit more... aesthetic, I suppose.

Anyway, I'm keen to see Shiira get out of beta and into my Applications folder. I'm looking for something Webkit-based but with more functionality than Safari.

cruxed

Jul 24, 2006, 04:30 AM

Yes i concur, could you please send me one as well?? I have the one with the japanese preferencec panes, and it's a bit of a pain in the arse trying to figure out the options. I'll send you a PM.

eji

Jul 24, 2006, 09:04 AM

Just posted on digg, for all those of you who're interested:

Shiira 2, Download the Private Beta Build! (http://digg.com/apple/Shiira_2_Download_the_Private_Beta_Build)

cruxed

Jul 24, 2006, 09:26 AM

Shiira 2 is going to be awesome if they continue developing the interface and the features at this rate...

swindmill

Jul 24, 2006, 12:46 PM

Can someone just post the link to the English version?

miles01110

Jul 24, 2006, 12:48 PM

can you import mozilla favorites yet?

grabberslasher

Jul 24, 2006, 01:01 PM

mduser63

Jul 24, 2006, 01:31 PM

There is no english version, but you can delete the Japanese localization from it and the main menus will be English. However, currently while this new Shiira may look a million times better, it still feels clunky and badly designed. Lots of graphical errors (yes it's a pre-alpha, ok).

Yeah, sorry I didn't realize that the pref. panes are all in Japanese. The rest of the app is English though.

DisturbedSith

Jul 24, 2006, 01:52 PM

There is no english version, but you can delete the Japanese localization from it and the main menus will be English. However, currently while this new Shiira may look a million times better, it still feels clunky and badly designed. Lots of graphical errors (yes it's a pre-alpha, ok).

How exactly would one delete the Japanese localization? And thanks to eji for putting up a link to the beta, should be fun.

grabberslasher

Jul 24, 2006, 01:59 PM

How exactly would one delete the Japanese localization? And thanks to eji for putting up a link to the beta, should be fun.

Get Info on the app from Finder, and click the Languages heading

DisturbedSith

Jul 24, 2006, 02:04 PM

Thanks grabberslasher!

XNine

Jul 26, 2006, 12:16 AM

So far it's looking good. Though, even when I delete the localization file for Japanese, the Pref pane is still all in japanese.

things I want to see
"check spelling" option
Tabs like Safari
The Shelf to deactivate when clicked on
Drag/drop bookmarks in bookmark bar
scrolling in black menus
English version

I realize that this is a beta, or prototpe, so I'm not bitching. I think it's really nice so far, the rendering is lightning fast and even without all of these features it owns firefox and comino. But not Safari. Safari is still king until we get an offical 2.0 build. Then I have a feelign Shiira will be my main browser...

menziep

Jul 26, 2006, 06:29 AM

Very Nice...

I might switch from Opera when that comes out

MacRumoron

Aug 7, 2006, 10:16 AM

Shiira 2.0b1 is out: http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/en :eek:

gauchogolfer

Aug 7, 2006, 10:23 AM

hmm, that actually looks pretty nice. I might have to give it a download and see how I like it. Does is support 'check spelling as you type' as well?

MacRumoron

Aug 7, 2006, 10:28 AM

I don't think so, but you should try it out :P

its buggy though of course.. so far i'm liking it and might be my new favorite browser :P

clevin

Aug 7, 2006, 11:05 AM

you would think with 2.0b, shiira gonna use recent webkit, but noooooo.... this is even worse than shiira 1.2.2's core. don't understand what they are thinking..

d wade

Aug 7, 2006, 01:57 PM

how can you say the current shiira is ugly? i love shiira and have been using it forever. i have been waiting so long for the new shiira and cannot wait until the new one is fully released!

clevin

Aug 7, 2006, 05:32 PM

how can you say the current shiira is ugly? i love shiira and have been using it forever. i have been waiting so long for the new shiira and cannot wait until the new one is fully released!
well, goto my homepage www.protopage.com you can see, shiira 2.0b renders worse than shiira 1.2.2

Objectivist-C

Aug 7, 2006, 05:59 PM

I've never been a fan of shiira as it's a pretty ugly looking browser IMO.
Hideous. :rolleyes:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6551/picture1gz8.th.png (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6551/picture1gz8.png)

radiantm3

Aug 8, 2006, 03:47 AM

Hideous. :rolleyes:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6551/picture1gz8.th.png (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6551/picture1gz8.png)

The last time I checked, the default state of Shiira looked like this:

http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/English/res/img12_RSSView.jpg

brikeh

Aug 8, 2006, 04:28 AM

Uuugh, just kept crashing on me. Im sticking with safari 4 now, shiira looks nice tho.

Sesshi

Aug 8, 2006, 04:36 AM

However slow the renderer is (and I don't get the feeling it's that slow) the big difference for me seems to be that various sites which wouldn't let me in using Shiira (and Safari, and still don't work in Safari) now works in Shiira 2.0b. I like the way it looks.

bousozoku

Aug 8, 2006, 12:49 PM

I really liked Shiira until I got hold of 2.0b1, but hopefully, that will change a lot.

Remembering some rumour that Apple had used the Tab-Exposé idea, I'm surprised that we didn't hear about Safari during the keynote.

Shiira is by far the showiest browser with Tab-Exposé and the page turning effects but to add more and still lack basic functionality, it looks more like a resumé than a useful application.

swindmill

Aug 8, 2006, 02:50 PM

I would give Shiira 2.0b1 a try if I could set it to use my Safari bookmarks bar. Even if I set them up manually, it doesn't seem to support folders/groups

Objectivist-C

Aug 8, 2006, 05:09 PM

The last time I checked, the default state of Shiira looked like this:
It takes under a minute to find and install a nicer-looking icon set.

MacRumoron

Aug 8, 2006, 10:17 PM

I would give Shiira 2.0b1 a try if I could set it to use my Safari bookmarks bar. Even if I set them up manually, it doesn't seem to support folders/groups

i had trouble with that too but i figured it out..

just drag the bookmarks into the bookmark bar folder and open a new window.. it will show on the new windows

steelphantom

Aug 8, 2006, 10:25 PM

I tried the beta yesterday, and didn't really like it too much. It looks like Camino will remain my browser of choice for a while. By the way, whats up with all the greyed out options? It seemed like over half of the browser options are greyed out. :confused:

HiRez

Aug 8, 2006, 11:02 PM

But what's up with those toolbar icons? Yegh. There are so many good and gratis sets floating around, you'd think they would have dropped in something a bit more... aesthetic, I suppose.I actually like them quite a bit. They are small and clean and non-attention-grabbing, I like that. As for the Preferences toolbar, I think they have not added icons yet, those are just regular buttons (notice they're using greater than and less than text instead of the triangle arrows found on the main toolbar). For a pre-alpha, I think it's looking really nice.

Variant

Aug 8, 2006, 11:18 PM

I tried the bata and it closes as soon as I launch it. :confused:

Edit: It needs OS 10.4. I think I'm the only one without Tiger. :p

mark!

Aug 9, 2006, 12:15 AM

The last time I checked, the default state of Shiira looked like this:

http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/English/res/img12_RSSView.jpg

uhm no. just 'cause thats in the screenshots on their site doesn't mean its default. 'cause its not. shiira is customizable anyway. you can make it look like safari if you wanted.

radiantm3

Aug 9, 2006, 02:24 AM

uhm no. just 'cause thats in the screenshots on their site doesn't mean its default. 'cause its not. shiira is customizable anyway. you can make it look like safari if you wanted.
Funny, I just downloaded it and it looks EXACTLY like the screenshot I posted. The alternate icons look bad, the tabs look bad, and the sidebar looks ugly as well. I still stand by my opinion that shiira is an ugly looking browser. And as I said, version 2.0 looks very nice in comparison. I'll consider using Shiira when 2.0 is stable and it's feature set is complete.

d wade

Aug 9, 2006, 03:20 AM

uhm no. just 'cause thats in the screenshots on their site doesn't mean its default..

uhm, yes. that is what my shiira browser looks like, and the only thing i did was take away the text under the buttons, and add a 'home page' button. i love the way it looks. so smooth and mac-like

heres a screen of mine:

Objectivist-C

Aug 9, 2006, 08:50 AM

steelphantom

Aug 9, 2006, 09:15 AM

Uh, because it's a beta?

Uh, yeah, but most betas I've tried have at least had (almost) all the features in them. They should have put most of the features in first before calling their product a beta. This looks like alpha stuff to me.

mark!

Aug 9, 2006, 10:54 AM

uhm, yes. that is what my shiira browser looks like, and the only thing i did was take away the text under the buttons, and add a 'home page' button. i love the way it looks. so smooth and mac-like

heres a screen of mine:

those are the defaults.

(s)he showed this

http://hmdt-web.net/shiira/English/res/img12_RSSView.jpg

thestaton

Aug 9, 2006, 04:45 PM

I was excited but oh well back to firefox.

mark!

Aug 9, 2006, 04:58 PM

This is a preview beta, it will be buggy.

Sesshi

Aug 9, 2006, 05:19 PM

It's unbelievable that Captain Obvious even has to mention that. I prefer the look and feel of Shiira over all other browsers. The fact that it didn't work with half the websites I wanted to access thanks to it's use of webkit or whatever it is was the problem.

The current Camino seemed to be the best compromise of form & function - before it took all my favourites with it, something I've not experienced in 13 years of Windows and even Mac-based (for the first 3 years at least) Internet browsing.

The Shiira beta seems to be working well with those sites which failed on Shiira before so I'm looking forward to the release version.

mark!

Aug 9, 2006, 05:49 PM

I love Shiira 2.0. It is just a preview though, so many promised features are not included as of the current (public) beta.

Shiira is more customizable than Safari, and...most other browsers I can think of. Although the included interfaces are sex (which is good).

projectle

Aug 9, 2006, 07:51 PM

Oofie

Aug 9, 2006, 08:01 PM

Im using 2.0 b1, and its quite fast. I might try this for a couple of days!

Edit: I like it, quite fast however, I can't import my bookmarks from Camino! Sucks!

d wade

Aug 11, 2006, 01:33 PM

Don't forget how amazingly slow it is accessing anything, or changing between tabs, or loading this very message reply box so that I can write this message.

Think of taking a 1.67GHz machine with 2GB DDR2 and having to wait 7 seconds to change tabs before it redraws the window.

sounds like something is wrong with your connection or something then.

i have no clue what those numbers mean.. but i have a macbook pro, i use shiira, and it is very fast. 7 seconds between tabs?

sounds like your problem, not shiira's