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vladkor
Jul 24, 2006, 04:43 PM
Hi there. I am interested in buying a used PowerBook. I was just seeking some advice as if I should spend money to get it. Thanks for all your suggestions in advance.

Specs are as follows.

For $1,200 CAD. (1,050 USD / 570 GBP)

G4 1.5 Ghz
1.256 GB RAM
ComboDrive
Mac OS X Tiger with iLife
Second to last, PowerBook revision.
Pretty much mint condition except for the usual wear and tear.

Includes an iLap cooling station and InCase carrying case.

Also has AppleCare until 2008 - is it transferable?

And finally, should I get it?



Mitthrawnuruodo
Jul 24, 2006, 04:47 PM
Considering a brand new baseline MacBook is CAD 1249 I would think twice... actually I would think more than twice before getting the PowerBook...

vladkor
Jul 24, 2006, 04:53 PM
Well, on that $1250, there would also be %14 tax. And as far as the MacBook goes, I am fairly disappointed with it. The integrated graphics, and the larger footprint make it all the less interesting to me. But I am thinking twice and that is why I am on MacRumors:D And thanks for the quick reply. Anybody else have any suggestions?

mkrishnan
Jul 24, 2006, 04:55 PM
Everyone poo-poos integrated graphics, but look at actual benchmarks... the last time the video card on the 12" PB got updated was a looooong time ago. It is probably faster at some things, but the MacBook is going to be generally faster at most things.

I think the PB12" could be a good investment if the price were substantially lower than the one you posted, though.

Shadow
Jul 24, 2006, 05:02 PM
I can play Command and Conquer Generals Zero Hour on full settings with a decent framerate (in Windows) :eek:!

kmarketing
Jul 24, 2006, 06:22 PM
Hi,

I agree with the post that if you can get it for a decent price then it would be a good buy. I think once you approach the $1000+ mark, a macbook would be a much better buy. But also figure that you will have to spend extra on new memory and possibly new applications since things like office and photoshop will run slower.

I bought my 12" 1.33/1.25gb used for $600. That way, I saved quite a bit when compared to getting a new macbook, and I'm pleased enough with the performance that I can happily wait to see what they have in store for the future or at least have the kinks worked out.

So I say look for a used one that will have a decent gap in price from the macbook, and it will be a good buy. Plus, there really isn't anything in the market like the 12" powerbook. And in my opinion, once you get used to the aluminum look and feel of the powerbook, its hard to go to the ibook looking and feeling macbook. The black ones are nice but then its even more expensive and will have their own cosmetic issues as well.

Good Luck!

Subiklim
Jul 24, 2006, 07:13 PM
Well, on that $1250, there would also be %14 tax. And as far as the MacBook goes, I am fairly disappointed with it. The integrated graphics, and the larger footprint make it all the less interesting to me. But I am thinking twice and that is why I am on MacRumors:D And thanks for the quick reply. Anybody else have any suggestions?

Integrated Graphics (in the macbook) own the graphics card in the 12" PB. Don't listen to the hype.

Also, the macbook is wider, but it's also not as long, and much thinner.

I HAD that exact powerbook, and I sold it for the macbook. No regrets whatsoever. Plastic is far better than the aluminum.

rdp5008
Jul 24, 2006, 07:22 PM
I just purchased a 12" Powerbook 1.5ghz, 1.25 ram, 60 gb hd, combo drive from someone on this site (he got a new macbook).

I paid $800 shipped to my door. That is dangerously close to MB price, but no taxes, no extra money for ram etc, etc. The PB does more than I need to do and the hundreds of dollars I saved was worth it to me. I know it is a hot debate right now (problem with rev A macbook, bs or real? still better than old PB even if the rev A is sketch?)

Long story short, only get a Powerbook if it is a good deal! I probably even paid too much! But I'm happy :) My applesac is coming from applesac.com, PIMP potato sack! I love the 12" design and the Al makes me hot~!

I hope my crazy post helped at least a little. PM me if you have specific Q's about the 12" PB. And I have some friends with Macbooks, but I haven't really used one myself.

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kmarketing
Jul 24, 2006, 07:58 PM
Plastic is far better than the aluminum.

I guess that's subjective, but personally going from aluminum to plastic just seems like a downgrade for me. The macbook just seems very much like a thinner, wider ibook that it is better built than the ibook. At least it doesn't creak like the ibooks did. But in terms of looks and feel, I just don't see how plastic is better than aluminum. Aluminum just feels and looks more professional. Again, the black ones are different. But the wear that many of the black ones exhibited that I saw in various stores just really were too distracting.

In terms of durability, there is no question that plastic is better than aluminum. But I think there is no comparison in terms of feel and looks between a nicely taken care of aluminum powerbook/pro and the white macbooks.

Hopefully there will be a smaller aluminum pro that will come out that will satisfy everyone in between the macbooks and pro's.

kmarketing
Jul 24, 2006, 08:01 PM
Hi,

$1200 is definitely too much to spend on the powerbook, even though the 12" is a great machine.

A friend of mine was able to get that same model on ebay for $700 a little while ago, and before the one that I have now, I got a 12" 1.5 combo off ebay for $650. i was able to sell that one for $950 before the macbooks came out.

Definitely look around but I think a used one that can save you some cash will be the way to go.

ricgnzlzcr
Jul 24, 2006, 08:04 PM
My 12 inch powerbook is still going strong. I love it and it does everything I need it to do. My most intensive use is garageband and it's done everything that I've wanted. I do with I had more screen space now but this thing has been a trooper since I bought it. I recommend it if you can get a steal in price (i.e. 450-650 USD). If not then I would go with the macbook. Even without a dedicated graphics card it is very powerful. Half the people who complain about the graphics card don't actually need one. Like me, they'd rather have a gorgeous MBP or Powerbook. The macbooks are very well made and will serve you well I'm sure

vladkor
Jul 24, 2006, 09:30 PM
Hey there everyone. Thanks for all the replys!

Just something to ask - were you all talking CAD of USD?

Now, for my part 2 of my query. Should I be getting the MacBook now, or waiting for Merom and see what happens? The problem is, I am going to be computer-less in a few days, and I require a portable. So, would it make sense to just get the MB now, and later on to get a nicer MacPro or iMac for the design stuff at home? Or, is the jump in performance between Core Duo and Core 2 Duo big enough that I should wait? Are they even going to be updating the MB with the Merom or is it going to the MBP? ...Sigh... Decisions, decisions, decisions...

kmarketing
Jul 24, 2006, 09:44 PM
Wait if you can, but if you need it now, the macbook would be a good buy also. But I repeat, wait if you can...

If you need a portable just to get around, I personally would prefer the cheapest laptop possible and then have a good desktop at home.

Good Luck!

Demon Hunter
Jul 24, 2006, 09:53 PM
Wait if you can, but if you need it now, the macbook would be a good buy also. But I repeat, wait if you can...

If you need a portable just to get around, I personally would prefer the cheapest laptop possible and then have a good desktop at home.

Good Luck!

That's a good plan, cost-effective because you get more power from a desktop at a lower price.

kmarketing
Jul 24, 2006, 10:03 PM
That's what I'm planning to do. Most people seem to be waiting for an upgrade on the laptop line, but I can't wait to see what they have in store for the new powermacs. I much rather spend my money on that power and have a decent laptop to do my basic work.

But when you get close in price with the powerbook and macbook, then there is no doubt as to going towards the macbooks. See if you can save some cash with a used powerbook or even ibook just to hold you over - I think that's a safe bet.

ricgnzlzcr
Jul 24, 2006, 10:16 PM
I guess that's subjective, but personally going from aluminum to plastic just seems like a downgrade for me. The macbook just seems very much like a thinner, wider ibook that it is better built than the ibook. At least it doesn't creak like the ibooks did. But in terms of looks and feel, I just don't see how plastic is better than aluminum. Aluminum just feels and looks more professional. Again, the black ones are different. But the wear that many of the black ones exhibited that I saw in various stores just really were too distracting.

In terms of durability, there is no question that plastic is better than aluminum. But I think there is no comparison in terms of feel and looks between a nicely taken care of aluminum powerbook/pro and the white macbooks.

Hopefully there will be a smaller aluminum pro that will come out that will satisfy everyone in between the macbooks and pro's.

Actually, the macbook looks and feels surprisingly sleek. My mother's ibook doesn't feel like it would woo anyone because it felt like a toy to me. My girlfriend's macbook on the otherhand feels and looks amazing. I kind of want one now, but I do agree that aluminum still looks nicer. If the macbook had a 15 inch screen I'd be all over it like Whitney Houston on crack!

generik
Jul 24, 2006, 11:16 PM
IMO $1050 is too much to pay for that old Powerbook, let's see what you get and what you don't get..

What you get with the PB:

An alumiunium shell
Old discrete graphics
Matt screen

What you get with the MB (aka what you won't get with the PB):

A faster processor
Oh wait.. a faster processor, and TWO of them!
More future proofed platform

While I don't mind paying more for that aluminium outer I really can't justify getting less for more.

Subiklim
Jul 24, 2006, 11:20 PM
Aluminum just feels and looks more professional.

I think that's just apple marketing getting to us, but I hate to say it, I think it looks nicer too.

But I'm fine with the black plastic. It feels like it's high quality (not like dells, etc), it doesn't ding, or dent, which was (is) a huge issue with the powerbook.

It also doesn't pit like a lot of people experience with the aluminum, and surprisingly, I have no problems keeping my macbook clean, maybe once a week I'll wipe it down with a wet towel, which is a lot less maintenance than I can say I did for my Powerbook. I can actually wear a watch now while typing without the fear of scratching my computer.

Obsidian6
Jul 25, 2006, 12:39 AM
$1200 is a lot for a 12" man..

I hate to say this, but the guy i traded my 17" PB ( which was max spec. ) to was only able to get $1250 for my laptop. now mind you that laptop cost me nearly $4k 2 years ago. these damn intel macs destroyed any and all resale value for PPC..

hal0n
Jul 25, 2006, 12:46 AM
Everyone poo-poos integrated graphics, but look at actual benchmarks... the last time the video card on the 12" PB got updated was a looooong time ago. It is probably faster at some things, but the MacBook is going to be generally faster at most things.

I think the PB12" could be a good investment if the price were substantially lower than the one you posted, though.


screw benchmarks. the macbook wont even run a good part of the final cut studio. My, now stolen, powerbook did reasonably well with it.

ratsorizzo
Jul 25, 2006, 01:15 AM
How's your vision? Can you handle the small screen ok?

Also, whatever you do, pls. do not buy a laptop w/o AppleCare. I've had two notebooks with repeatable problems; as such, I was provided TWO free upgrades. It's worth its weight in gold. You can get a nice neoprene sleeve to carry around in a day pack too.

I have had no problems with my Al PB, zilch. I had nothing but problems w/the older plastic iBooks - but that was then.

Good point 'tho earlier about the changes in the dual Intel chips making the older PPC's obsolete; however, if by chance you have software for a PPC, you should be able to get an older model and run in OS X w/o having to upgrade to binary. They ain't getting rid of pre-binary for a while IMO.

vladkor
Jul 25, 2006, 11:21 AM
Hey there fellas! I thought, and thought, and thought. And this morning, after work (I work nightshift) I went and bought a brand new MacBook. A white one. (I know, don't kill me, but I actually preffer the white :D)

This thing is very sweet. I really don't mind the bit of heat it produces. There are much worse things than this. And using a laptop such as this on my lap for too long would just make me scared of dropping it or some such. Therefore I have no problem following Apple's advice and keeping it on a table. And you know what, it doesn't get any hotter than my brother's old PowerBook. Now that thing would freaking burn you if you weren't careful.

Anyways, thanks for talking me out of the PowerBook. The screens alone are of no comparrison. This thing really does kick ass :D

Cheers!

REDSRT4
Jul 25, 2006, 11:23 AM
I have a pb 12 1.5 768 80gb sd in mint condition for 750 shipped to your door!

Mitthrawnuruodo
Jul 25, 2006, 11:25 AM
Hey there fellas! I thought, and thought, and thought. And this morning, after work (I work nightshift) I went and bought a brand new MacBook. A white one.Excellent choice... :)

I'm pretty sure you'll be very happy with it. I know I love my white 2.0... just remember to get some 3rd party RAM when you can afford it. I took a bit of force to get them in there but with 2 GB RAM in place these gorgeous little machines fly... :cool:

REDSRT4
Jul 25, 2006, 11:28 AM
sorry didnt see the post about already getting a mb

vladkor
Jul 25, 2006, 11:31 AM
sorry didnt see the post about already getting a mb

It's cool. If only you were 10 hours earlier, we might have done business. Damn stupid power marketing :D

kmarketing
Jul 25, 2006, 12:31 PM
Just wondering how much did you spend in total?

Thanks!

dextertangocci
Jul 25, 2006, 01:01 PM
screw benchmarks. the macbook wont even run a good part of the final cut studio. My, now stolen, powerbook did reasonably well with it.

Do you have a MB?

The integrated graphics is really not bad! I play Quake 4, Doom 3 and other new 3D games on medium to high settings on my 2Ghz MB without a problem;)

vladkor
Jul 25, 2006, 09:03 PM
Hey. In total (the MacBook, 3 years total warranty, and a new backpack/laptop carrying case) I spent $1930. Taxes included and such. The representative there knocked the price of the MacBook down $50, to $1400, just enough for me to be elligible for their warranty, which was $250. The carrying case was $70, and he gave that to me for %50. And, I dont have to pay for one year with no interest. I just have to remember to pay them in one years time, or something like 26% interest is gonna hit me.

Oh. And P.S.

If you want to play games... buy a freaking desktop! Save half and get double. And stop whining about integrated graphics for a CONSUMER laptop. :D K? Sorry if I offend you!

marchcapital
Jul 25, 2006, 10:42 PM
NO! Not worth it. Don't fight the inevitable go intel...