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MacRumors
Aug 29, 2006, 09:54 PM
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Several readers have noted that Apple's online store now has an estimated ship date of October for external iSight cameras. Slipping ship dates can be an indicator of updated or new product offerings, although other causes such as increased demand (perhaps due to increased Mac Pro and Display purchases which lack built-in iSights) can also contribute to longer ship times.

The iSight was last updated in March of 2005 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/03/20050301094351.shtml).

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HecubusPro
Aug 29, 2006, 09:58 PM
What?

Exactly, and since I'm getting a C2D MBP with built-in iSight, this doesn't really concern me as a consumer. However, it is just barely interesting enough to warrant some people raising the "update" question/rumor.

twoodcc
Aug 29, 2006, 10:00 PM
i would love to see this become reality. better resolution and quality please!

Tommyg117
Aug 29, 2006, 10:06 PM
I'd love a new model, because then the old one will get cheaper and i can finally feel good about spending money on it!

fenixx
Aug 29, 2006, 10:06 PM
hmm... Photo event coming up... iSight revision... hmmm

Links
Aug 29, 2006, 10:07 PM
Could be because they've HAD to redesign it to meet new environmental standards in Europe.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-To-Stop-Selling-Certain-Products-In-Europe-27550.shtml

Stridder44
Aug 29, 2006, 10:08 PM
Wow october seems so far away...but it's about flipping time they updated these things. $150 for that bulky camera....bleh!

kev0476
Aug 29, 2006, 10:13 PM
what is the res on the isight too? isn't it 640x 480 or something? 150 for not even a megapixel camera? bleh

retroneo
Aug 29, 2006, 10:14 PM
Considering the iSight is banned from sale in 25 countries because of it failing health and safety requirements, it's overdue to be redesigned.

aafuss1
Aug 29, 2006, 10:21 PM
It's nor near HD quality-unlike MS LifeCam's.

pianoman
Aug 29, 2006, 10:26 PM
it would be nice to see a redesign, better quality, and a price drop. however, for many people who are buying new machines, this does not matter, since the new laptops and the iMac have the built-in iSight. i was planning to get one for my parents who are using my Mac mini but i suppose i now have to wait for the updates. perhaps there's something bigger in the works :)

Gm7Cadd9
Aug 29, 2006, 10:27 PM
When I went to the Apple Store on the apple campus (for WWDC afterparty) they had a WWDC special where they had the airport extreme and the isight marked down 20%.... how rare is it for apple to have a "sale" on anything

Mind you it was only in one store... so moving extra inventory was probably not a motive... but worth a mention I thought.

-Roy

HecubusPro
Aug 29, 2006, 10:29 PM
When I went to the Apple Store on the apple campus (for WWDC afterparty) they had a WWDC special where they had the airport extreme and the isight marked down 20%.... how rare is it for apple to have a "sale" on anything

Mind you it was only in one store... so moving extra inventory was probably not a motive... but worth a mention I thought.

-Roy

It's probably just a promotion, like the free iPod Nano is a promotion. They don't necessarily have sales, but Apple does like promotions.

MattyMac
Aug 29, 2006, 10:29 PM
Sweeeeeeeeet I could go for an isight...and photobooth on my 12 in. PB

xjebbx
Aug 29, 2006, 10:45 PM
new displays, new mac minis, come side by side.

KingYaba
Aug 29, 2006, 11:12 PM
All these "indications" appear to be wishful thinking. We'll just have to wait and see. :D

jholzner
Aug 29, 2006, 11:12 PM
Does anyone know if you can use the external iSight on Macbooks/pro that have one already built in?

EricNau
Aug 29, 2006, 11:13 PM
It's about time. Back when the iSight was introduced, the quality was worth the price, these days, cameras with the same, or even better quality are a dime a dozen.

Warbrain
Aug 29, 2006, 11:15 PM
I'd put money down on a new iSight...

or an old one discounted.

parenthesis
Aug 29, 2006, 11:15 PM
Does anyone know if you can use the external iSight on Macbooks/pro that have one already built in?

I know that it works when using an iMac (I had an old iSight, and wanted to see what would happen). There is some fighting in the software over which camera gets used (e.g. PhotoBooth will refuse to use the other one, but iMovie is fine if you tell it to use the second video stream).

mustard
Aug 29, 2006, 11:30 PM
Does anyone know if you can use the external iSight on Macbooks/pro that have one already built in?

I have a Rev A 2.0GHz MBP that as I am typing this is powering my 30 inch ACD with my Rev A iSight with no problems whatsoever (in clamshell mode if that makes a diff.)

rworne
Aug 29, 2006, 11:39 PM
The built-in iSight in the newer Macs are all USB now, right? I'd hazard a guess that they are going to release a USB 2.0 version and orphan the firewire version.

And 20% off is good, but I scored mine for $79 at my local Apple store. Even better, it was not a return, just had a broken seal on the box and a hefty discount. :D I then snagged the accessory kit on sale for $9 so I could hook it up to my display (I have the older Quicksilver-era Studio LCD).

iHotu
Aug 29, 2006, 11:53 PM
October?

4-8 weeks?

That's as good as unavailable

And I don't want a built in iSight, creepy

dizastor
Aug 29, 2006, 11:54 PM
I hope they upgrade it, maybe shrink it a bit. I was planning on buying one in the next month or so.

HecubusPro
Aug 29, 2006, 11:58 PM
All these "indications" appear to be wishful thinking. We'll just have to wait and see. :D

But it's probably true. It's old hat and sorely in need of an update. Apple seems to be cleaning house. Why not update really old peripherals such as the iSight as well as their iPods and computer lines? It seems to me that Apple has a lot to announce this fall.

pink-pony115
Aug 30, 2006, 12:29 AM
isight is past its biological clock

*chuckles*

I sound like my mother.

Ricard
Aug 30, 2006, 12:54 AM
New iSight Firewire 800 ...now, that will be cool!

Renegate
Aug 30, 2006, 01:05 AM
When I went to the Apple Store on the apple campus (for WWDC afterparty) they had a WWDC special where they had the airport extreme and the isight marked down 20%.... how rare is it for apple to have a "sale" on anything

Mind you it was only in one store... so moving extra inventory was probably not a motive... but worth a mention I thought.

-Roy
Airport extreme is also slipping (7-10days)

macgeek2005
Aug 30, 2006, 01:12 AM
Guys calm down. Theres no revision. I just ordered an iSight earlier today, and it gave me a ship date of October 31st.

It just shipped.

EricNau
Aug 30, 2006, 01:15 AM
Guys calm down. Theres no revision. I just ordered an iSight earlier today, and it gave me a ship date of October 31st.

It just shipped.
Party Pooper

macgeek2005
Aug 30, 2006, 01:18 AM
Party Pooper

Just thought i'd let you guys know....

And if they do update the iSight, I probably won't care that much, as I don't use it for professional purposes. But judging by the fact that mine shipped a few hours after I ordered it, I don't think they are running low on stock or preparing for an update.....

mutantteenager
Aug 30, 2006, 01:21 AM
Guys calm down. Theres no revision. I just ordered an iSight earlier today, and it gave me a ship date of October 31st.

It just shipped.

Apple are becoming more and more ruthless on their products. With the introduction of iSight across the range, they are probably making the iSight 'end of life', just as they did with the Airport cards when all their products (bar the G5 tower) had Airport Extreme built in.

What does that mean for all of us, me included, with older macs? Tough ******! Go into any Applestore and ask about upgrading or adding to your existing mac, and if they don't make it anymore, they'll act like they never did! Scum beatches!

BTW, the Apple Displays are probably going to get built in iSights as well!

macgeek2005
Aug 30, 2006, 01:28 AM
Apple are becoming more and more ruthless on their products. With the introduction of iSight across the range, they are probably making the iSight 'end of life', just as they did with the Airport cards when all their products (bar the G5 tower) had Airport Extreme built in.

What does that mean for all of us, me included, with older macs? Tough ******! Go into any Applestore and ask about upgrading or adding to your existing mac, and if they don't make it anymore, they'll act like they never did! Scum beatches!

BTW, the Apple Displays are probably going to get built in iSights as well!

If they do that, the quality of the built in iSight will definetaly not be greater than the quality of the iSight I just ordered. And as I prefer an external iSight to an internal one, i'll be happy! :)

mahonmeister
Aug 30, 2006, 02:14 AM
October?

4-8 weeks?

That's as good as unavailable

And I don't want a built in iSight, creepy

You don't like Steve seeing what your doing? I too had mixed feelings about the built in "porn cams" as named by some.

*recalls several movies about certain things being recorded with a camera that wasn't supposed to be on*

macgeek2005
Aug 30, 2006, 02:20 AM
October?

4-8 weeks?

That's as good as unavailable

And I don't want a built in iSight, creepy

The iSight ships the day you order it....

iMikeT
Aug 30, 2006, 02:23 AM
Any update is a good update from Apple at the moment.

I'm currently waiting for an iMac update.:rolleyes:

grahamwallis
Aug 30, 2006, 02:28 AM
It looks like the isight has been dropped from the UK apple store, I just did a search for it and all I got was the griffin light thing that clips on the front, no isight listed! (or maybe I'm just bad at finding things)

LaMerVipere
Aug 30, 2006, 02:39 AM
They need to dramatically shrink the size of that thing and bump the specs to make it worth the $129.

blackstarliner
Aug 30, 2006, 02:56 AM
The iSight hasn't been on the UK or Swiss sites for a while. I tried to buy one a couple of weeks ago, and they are nowhere to be found (not even in shops). I have one being sent over from India cheap. Same thing happened to me with the Airport Extreme. Removed two days before I wanted to order it. Still a couple left in stock at the local shop though. As a previous poster mentions, it was axed because of some of the chemicals/materials used in its construction. The legal levels of some of these in consumer products were reduced in Europe in July I think. I expect the new iSight will be much updated, but the old one will do me, and I found a cheap one.

Zygon Gambit
Aug 30, 2006, 02:56 AM
It looks like the isight has been dropped from the UK apple store, I just did a search for it and all I got was the griffin light thing that clips on the front, no isight listed! (or maybe I'm just bad at finding things)
iSight was dropped in Europe/UK because of the RoHs regularions : http://www.rohs.gov.uk/

I hope there is a new one, as I want one, and the eBay price is now as high on second-hand ones as it used to be on new ones.

macidiot
Aug 30, 2006, 03:05 AM
And I'm sure the same people that bought the $100 leather iPod cover to go along with the iPod socks are really interested in this. :cool:

Who actually bought the isight? It's nice and all, but at that price??

cube
Aug 30, 2006, 03:24 AM
We need to know if the new one will be FireWire or USB2!

aswitcher
Aug 30, 2006, 03:26 AM
Guys calm down. Theres no revision. I just ordered an iSight earlier today, and it gave me a ship date of October 31st.

It just shipped.


I am sure there is still some "old" stock to clear.

al3000
Aug 30, 2006, 03:27 AM
Noooo.... I hope this isn't true, I only got mine the other day. - It's the powerbook all over again!

aswitcher
Aug 30, 2006, 03:32 AM
My thoughts...

Smaller - possibly sits lengthways along the top of the screen.

USB 2.0.

Built in light (illumination when talking but also may be used for alarms etc).

Built in IR reciever (unless new ACD have IR).

Better resolution - say 1-2 megapixels - for HD iChat and/or picture taking/scanning etc

Maybe an optical or digital zoom/wideangle.

Tymmz
Aug 30, 2006, 04:31 AM
It would be nice to have a new iSight with built-in IR and bundled with Front Row and Photo Booth.

Would make sense.

gauchogolfer
Aug 30, 2006, 05:02 AM
New iSight Firewire 800 ...now, that will be cool!

And also completely unrealistic :rolleyes: .

Although I'd like the option to use it in FW800 mode on my powerbook, that's not the bottleneck for video (unless capturing to iMovie or some such use). For video chatting, FW400 is plenty fast.

t0mat0
Aug 30, 2006, 05:54 AM
Is anyone thinking that PhotoKina will have some bearing on this.
Apple is attending, for the first time, a photography show. I tells ya, it's crying out for rumours of new screens, more integrated updated cams, a revision of photography software (Aperture) from Apple.

They're doing a "special" presentation on Sept 25th.. (Only 3 and a bit weeks away) (Wouldn't it steal the show's thunder if it wasn't about Photo related kit though? :D)

Now if the Airport stock selling out was due to interface changes with secret wireless ipods/iPhones/laptop G5s.....

belovedmonster
Aug 30, 2006, 06:05 AM
I dunno if anyone has mentioned this... but when Jobs announced the built in cams on the iMac he said the quality was actually higher than the current isight camera. So this cam isnt even up to the quality of the built in ones never mind other cams on the market.

And it is fair to say that while this cam was worth the money at the time its now grossly over priced for what it is.

Add to that the fact that it doesnt meet european requirements...

Id say its fairly obvious theres gunna be an update soon.

GreatDrok
Aug 30, 2006, 06:30 AM
My father in law bought a G4 iBook three months before the MacBook came out and just after I have bought my Rev A MBP. I am responsible because he wanted a machine sooner than the MB would arrive and also I told him that at least with the G4 he would know that everything would work. He is very happy with it and it is quick enough but didn't come with an iSight. We bought him one for his birthday recently from John Lewis in Newcastle. They had a few boxed examples when you couldn't buy them from Apple any more. It works well and is great because you can move it about unlike the built in ones. I have one for my Mac mini and I was helping my dad who just got a G5 iMac refurb with iSight built in and it has been really helpful that I can just pop the iSight off my monitor and point it at my screen and show him what to do. Of course, the next version of iChat will make this unnecessary but it is cool to be able to do it now. I hope they do bring out another iSight rather than relying on putting one in the display.

eXan
Aug 30, 2006, 06:36 AM
i would love to see this become reality. better resolution and quality please!

Keep the resolution, increase the CCD size, otherwise, no increase in quality can happen.

Also they have to redesign it, so it could be sold in Europe/Russia :mad:

mi5moav
Aug 30, 2006, 06:57 AM
Photokina is going to be great. Witht the new isights and apple new digital HD videocamera. All great news and then we can cap it all off with the new video store at Apple, can't wait 3 more weeks or so.

amin
Aug 30, 2006, 07:05 AM
Are the current built-in iSights in the iMacs and Intel Mac laptops as good as the external iSight?

ezekielrage_99
Aug 30, 2006, 07:48 AM
That is great Apple is updating the iSight Camera but how would they go about doing that?

Will Apple changes how it looks, res, etc :confused:

Or more to the point will it support HD or is that jumping the gun a little :confused:

Caitlyn
Aug 30, 2006, 07:49 AM
Maybe this means that they are going to be building the iSights into the ACDs? Although, why would that push back a date for the externals. Just wishing thinking, I suppose. :rolleyes:

I would like to see it bundled with PhotoBooth software, and maybe a light, similar to the Griffin SightLight.

kwajo.com
Aug 30, 2006, 08:06 AM
please, Please, PLEASE keep it Firewire! I would hate for Apple to move away from such a great technology, and I'm still bitter about having to use USB for my new iPod, it's noticably slower and I want my USB port back!

MonkeyClaw
Aug 30, 2006, 08:08 AM
Well they better hurry up cause my 14 day return period is drying up fast for my brand new iSight, lol.

j33pd0g
Aug 30, 2006, 08:15 AM
I would buy an iSight... if they made it wireless. Or at least, made it so you could integrate it with the AirPort Express.

longofest
Aug 30, 2006, 08:39 AM
Added to the story:

Of note, the iSight (along with some other Apple products) has not been available since early July in Europe due to the RoHS directive. As such, any Apple revision may be focused around compliance with the RoHS directive, especially in light of current environmental pressure by Greenpeace.

Mydriasis
Aug 30, 2006, 08:40 AM
let's see...
cheat monitors, long shipping dates on iSight i think we're getting...

30 in LCD with iSight, 3 usb and 2 firewire ports on the side and a MacPro(standard version) all in an inclusive package from apple for $3499.

CompUser
Aug 30, 2006, 09:11 AM
New iSight Firewire 800 ...now, that will be cool!

No, it wouldn't, cause most of the apple computers do not have FW800 and Apple has not been putting it in all of their new computers aka Mac Mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro, and iMac.

I got my isight "refreshed" (no, not refurbished) at the apple store for $70 or $80. Not bad considering a new one is $150.

I could see how they might just put the iSights into the cinema displays and just continue making the normal or slightly change the iSight but charge like $80 for it to support users with a 3rd party monitor or iMac/PowerBook/iBook users

termite
Aug 30, 2006, 09:14 AM
Refurb AirPort Extreme has been reduced to $149 in the Apple Store for a few weeks. Apple Store now says 7-10 days for a new Extreme. Amazon no longer lists it for sale. Adding wireless to a Mac Pro puts the shipping at 3-5 days.

I hope this means something nice -- I'm in the market to buy.

CompUser
Aug 30, 2006, 09:14 AM
let's see...
cheat monitors, long shipping dates on iSight i think we're getting...

30 in LCD with iSight, 3 usb and 2 firewire ports on the side and a MacPro(standard version) all in an inclusive package from apple for $3499.


I certainly hope they would never put the FW & USB ports there, that would be quite unclean looking.

abrooks
Aug 30, 2006, 09:16 AM
No, it wouldn't, cause most of the apple computers do not have FW800 and Apple has not been putting it in all of their new computers aka Mac Mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro, and iMac.

I got my isight "refreshed" (no, not refurbished) at the apple store for $70 or $80. Not bad considering a new one is $150.

I could see how they might just put the iSights into the cinema displays and just continue making the normal or slightly change the iSight but charge like $80 for it to support users with a 3rd party monitor or iMac/PowerBook/iBook users

17-inch MacBook Pro has 1 FireWire 800 port.

ro2nie
Aug 30, 2006, 10:04 AM
Bluetooth iSight?

iSee
Aug 30, 2006, 10:30 AM
What? :confused:
They're still selling those things?

I vote the iSight the least significant Apple product. :D

...

(Well, I guess there are some really insignificant iPod accessories, like "socks" or whatever. :rolleyes: The iSight is surely the least significant hardware product... :D :D :D )

icloud
Aug 30, 2006, 11:17 AM
What? :confused:
They're still selling those things?

I vote the iSight the least significant Apple product. :D

...

(Well, I guess there are some really insignificant iPod accessories, like "socks" or whatever. :rolleyes: The iSight is surely the least significant hardware product... :D :D :D )

Never Speak ill of the SOCKS! :p
iPod Socks: The Little Case that Could! (http://homepage.mac.com/cloud.e/blog/files/01893b44174d0c134a165033b60b8d1c-5.html)

CompUser
Aug 30, 2006, 11:34 AM
17-inch MacBook Pro has 1 FireWire 800 port.

Ok, but it already has a built in iSight so its pretty much a waste of money.

iSee
Aug 30, 2006, 12:36 PM
Never Speak ill of the SOCKS! :p
iPod Socks: The Little Case that Could! (http://homepage.mac.com/cloud.e/blog/files/01893b44174d0c134a165033b60b8d1c-5.html)

OK, OK, after reading your SOCKS review, I'll say that they're more significant than a standalone iSight. At the very least, they've spawned the idea of "sock pooling..." :D

ZildjianKX
Aug 30, 2006, 12:46 PM
I've been pretty unhappy with my iSight, it got super hot, had a "stuck" pixel in the camera (didn't even know that was possible), and it always annoyed me that the camera adjusted whenever the computer booted.

I sold it on eBay last month for $100 after owning it for 3 years and paying $129 for it after an educational discount, good riddance.

macidiot
Aug 30, 2006, 01:16 PM
let's see...
cheat monitors, long shipping dates on iSight i think we're getting...

30 in LCD with iSight, 3 usb and 2 firewire ports on the side and a MacPro(standard version) all in an inclusive package from apple for $3499.


That's great. A nice embedded cam that can't be tilted or swiveled. The lack of adjustments on the mbp isight is retarded.

macidiot
Aug 30, 2006, 01:17 PM
Ok, but it already has a built in iSight so its pretty much a waste of money.


the built-in isight is pretty useless. see my post above.

TheKrillr
Aug 30, 2006, 01:46 PM
the built-in isight is pretty useless. see my post above.

I think you are all forgetting what the builtin isight is all about... videoconferencing. Nothing more, nothing less. From that aspect, the builtin one is /perfect/.

Its not supposed to be a digital camera or digital video camera. Neither is the external iSight. If you want something like that, buy one thats for that.

macridah
Aug 30, 2006, 01:51 PM
Hope apple makes the new iSight rev smaller

macidiot
Aug 30, 2006, 01:57 PM
I think you are all forgetting what the builtin isight is all about... videoconferencing. Nothing more, nothing less. From that aspect, the builtin one is /perfect/.

Its not supposed to be a digital camera or digital video camera. Neither is the external iSight. If you want something like that, buy one thats for that.

All valid points. But it is also useless for videoconferencing, at least in my case.

I have a mbp and an external display, using a dual monitor setup. My mbp is offset. The lack of adjustments means the isight creates a very nice shot of my ear. Additionally, on the occasion when I do use the the mbp without an external monitor, when I have the display adjusted so I can see it, the isight often gets a very nice shot of the top of my head. Sweet. And how about if I'd like to show something other than my ear or top of my head, such as a something in the room? I suppose I could physically rotate the mbp, but of course, I wouldn't be able to see what's on the screen.

And I'm not even going to get into the poor performance of the isight in low light conditions. And by that, I mean not having a flood light on my face. My office lighting is bright enough to not activate the lighted keyboard, but apparently too dim for isight.

Perfect? Hardly.

fblack
Aug 30, 2006, 02:14 PM
I have the older version and really enjoy using it. However, ever since the latest updates to tiger I have issues with it slowing down the whole system. For some reason it clears up after I reboot, but its anoying. :(

Personally I would like to see better methods of attaching your isight to a monitor or some kind of accesory stand to help lift it into a better position.

jettredmont
Aug 30, 2006, 03:14 PM
Airport extreme is also slipping (7-10days)

Hmmm. That I find interesting, as I'm in the market for a good wireless base station, as the Buffalo I bought two months ago gives horrible coverage (my 5-year-old SMC 'b' access point would give superb coverage throughout the house, so maybe I'm spoiled there). Airport stations were off the table because of price for several-years-old technology.

iSight: I have one and love it, but wouldn't pay the same price I paid - what, two years ago? - today. It just doesn't make sense. Much lower price, new features, and I might buy one tomorrow to keep at work, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for it.

Apple has, of late, done an astounding job of releasing cool technology at great price points. They get press for it, and the press will even often note that this is far cheaper than the equivalent from Dell or Logitech or Sony. But, there's a long tail there, where they really make their money: that price point remains for a year or more, well past when the equivalent Dell or Logitech or Sony equipment passed it in price and/or features.

What this means is, buy Apple gear when it is announced, and you get a good deal. Never even think of buying "stale" equipment from Apple; look to other manufacturers for the equivalents where possible (eg, iSight and Airport Extreme) or wait for a product refresh if you can.

jettredmont
Aug 30, 2006, 03:23 PM
Keep the resolution, increase the CCD size, otherwise, no increase in quality can happen.

Umm, actually, you can increase the quality without increasing the per-pixel size on the CCD. Look to Nikon (CCD) and Canon (CMOS) DSLR evolution in the time that iSight has been out; look to revolutions like the Foveon sensor (which I hear is finally going to be announced in a Sigma DSLR at Photokina). While these are "still" sensors, the same principle applies to digital video sensors (I'm just not as familiar with them, although I'm very happy with my Panasonic 300 camera's quality especially in low light, compared to my old Sony TR80's, which so far as I understand is actually with a smaller sensor and optics).

While at any given point in time, more space on the sensor per pixel will result in a less-noisy image at a given ISO sensitivity, that is certainly not the only way to get a higher-quality picture given technological advances over time.

iSight (the separate component) stagnated a while back, and the world of digital imaging has passed it by. I suspect we could well see a significant increase in image quality and resolution with the same size sensor and optics (although the optics may need refinement to meet the standards of a more modern sensor).

Seasought
Aug 30, 2006, 04:12 PM
That reminds me not to forget about my iSight apartment security camera idea for when I'm off at work. I'm most likely going to go with cameras more suited to staying hidden though. :D

TheBrazilianGuy
Aug 30, 2006, 04:50 PM
Well, if this conspiratory theory wins (the one that supports the
end of life of isight), what would happen to Mac Mini owners ?
(Power PC users are out of this logic since they have "old" machinery,
myself included)

These users ought to be the ones that Apple cares...or not.

MrCrowbar
Aug 30, 2006, 04:52 PM
I would buy an iSight... if they made it wireless. Or at least, made it so you could integrate it with the AirPort Express.

Not a bad idea. It could connect to the Mac via Bonjour. Datarate would be worse than USB2, but hey, imagine the fun you can have with a macbook and a wireless iSight. You could do awesome videos with this in changing rooms in stores, your neighbour's bedroom, attached on the back of your dog, in your car (making a video of the car who bumped your parking car while you're shopping), etc. :p

MrCrowbar
Aug 30, 2006, 04:57 PM
Bluetooth iSight?

Bluetooth is too slow... the bandwidth just sucks as does the range. It's good for synchronizing your phone with your contact or calendar. For headsets it's still ok, but video has too much data.

ro2nie
Aug 30, 2006, 07:14 PM
Bluetooth is too slow... the bandwidth just sucks as does the range. It's good for synchronizing your phone with your contact or calendar. For headsets it's still ok, but video has too much data.

I read rumors that they would speed up bluetooth soon... who knows

TheManOfSilver
Aug 30, 2006, 07:44 PM
Any update is probably more to update the internal components to comply with environmental regulations ... but if they're already updating, a higher resolution along with zoom and face-tracking features would be nice. And if they can find a way to include all that in the C2D iMac I'll be buying in the spring that would be even better! :D

crjeong
Aug 30, 2006, 09:13 PM
I highly doubt there will be a built in iSight camera into any Apple Cinema Display ever, it makes no sense at all for pro customers who use the display.

It makes much more sense for Apple to release a new external iSight with a bulit in IR Sensor for use with the next version of MacOSX.

As they said at the WWDC, Front Row and PhotoBooth would be built into the operating system, and since it will be universal for both Power PC and Intel based Macs, they can't assume that everyone out there who already owns a Mac will go buy a new Cinema Display just to use these features. Therefore it makes much more sense for them to implement the IR Sensor and bundle the Apple Remote with a new iSight.

yamamoto
Aug 31, 2006, 12:53 AM
I highly doubt there will be a built in iSight camera into any Apple Cinema Display ever, it makes no sense at all for pro customers who use the display.

It makes much more sense for Apple to release a new external iSight with a bulit in IR Sensor for use with the next version of MacOSX.

As they said at the WWDC, Front Row and PhotoBooth would be built into the operating system, and since it will be universal for both Power PC and Intel based Macs, they can't assume that everyone out there who already owns a Mac will go buy a new Cinema Display just to use these features. Therefore it makes much more sense for them to implement the IR Sensor and bundle the Apple Remote with a new iSight.

I think this is the most likely reason to update the isight.

irobot2003
Aug 31, 2006, 07:14 AM
Umm, actually, you can increase the quality without increasing the per-pixel size on the CCD. Look to Nikon (CCD) and Canon (CMOS) DSLR evolution in the time that iSight has been out; look to revolutions like the Foveon sensor (which I hear is finally going to be announced in a Sigma DSLR at Photokina). While these are "still" sensors, the same principle applies to digital video sensors (I'm just not as familiar with them, although I'm very happy with my Panasonic 300 camera's quality especially in low light, compared to my old Sony TR80's, which so far as I understand is actually with a smaller sensor and optics).

While at any given point in time, more space on the sensor per pixel will result in a less-noisy image at a given ISO sensitivity, that is certainly not the only way to get a higher-quality picture given technological advances over time.

iSight (the separate component) stagnated a while back, and the world of digital imaging has passed it by. I suspect we could well see a significant increase in image quality and resolution with the same size sensor and optics (although the optics may need refinement to meet the standards of a more modern sensor).

Not to get too off topic, but Sigma has been selling cameras with Foveons for some time now... just search on foveon in froogle. I believe Foveon is upgrading their top end sensor this month though, which may be what you heard.

Your main point that for a given sensor size, noise charecteristics have improved over time is probably right, although I believe most of the advancement there has been on the CMOS side (which had more noise issues than CCDs).

You also have to be a bit careful... to combat the increased noise with smaller sensors, some of the "advancement" simply has been more aggressive post-process noise filtering turned on by default...

I do agree that the image quality of the current iSight is shockingly bad given the high-tech looking enclosure...

termite
Aug 31, 2006, 02:21 PM
Airport Extreme base station is now out of stock at Amazon, MacMall, J&R, B&H, and others. According to Pricegrabber, the only online sources that still have it are a small handfull of never-heard-of-you places. Either someone underestimated sales of this ancient product, or a refresh is imminent.

halse
Aug 31, 2006, 02:22 PM
our week or so old order for an iSight via the campus computer store was given a new ship date of 10-31 (I assume that is this year) but not cancelled

Peace
Aug 31, 2006, 02:26 PM
Airport Extreme base station is now out of stock at Amazon, MacMall, J&R, B&H, and others. According to Pricegrabber, the only online sources that still have it are a small handfull of never-heard-of-you places. Either someone underestimated sales of this ancient product, or a refresh is imminent.

you can buy it at the Apple online store.

termite
Aug 31, 2006, 02:55 PM
you can buy it at the Apple online store.
Ships: 7-10 business days

So in other words.... out of stock.

Update: It's now "1-3 weeks". Update for sure.

razzmatazz
Sep 6, 2006, 02:03 PM
Ships: 7-10 business days

So in other words.... out of stock.

Update: It's now "1-3 weeks". Update for sure.

Now it says October :eek:

Geoffrey Grike
Nov 16, 2006, 08:14 AM
Sounds like the iSight is now shipping. Has it been upgraded? Is it the same old iSight from before but now meets the EU standards?

aswitcher
Nov 16, 2006, 10:00 PM
Sounds like the iSight is now shipping. Has it been upgraded? Is it the same old iSight from before but now meets the EU standards?

No change to the specs on the Apple site...

^squirrel^
Nov 22, 2006, 02:36 AM
Sounds like the iSight is now shipping. Has it been upgraded? Is it the same old iSight from before but now meets the EU standards?

If it meets EU specs, why is it not on the UK Apple site????

Ahhhh all i want is an iSight to finally put the icing on my Macpro!

EDIT: LOL look what we get in the UK....mmmmmmmmm nice!!!!
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/6344040/wa/PSLID?mco=CC7C7E91&nplm=T4791&wosid=wa4Wu0FdEN8P32UqczK2FTjDPCb

jlewis2k1
Nov 22, 2006, 10:00 AM
If it meets EU specs, why is it not on the UK Apple site????

Ahhhh all i want is an iSight to finally put the icing on my Macpro!

EDIT: LOL look what we get in the UK....mmmmmmmmm nice!!!!
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/6344040/wa/PSLID?mco=CC7C7E91&nplm=T4791&wosid=wa4Wu0FdEN8P32UqczK2FTjDPCb

that link isn't valid so what is the product?

^squirrel^
Nov 22, 2006, 01:11 PM
that link isn't valid so what is the product?

go to the UK site and go to isight....then you'll see it.

Peace
Nov 22, 2006, 01:16 PM
go to the UK site and go to isight....then you'll see it.

I don't see any iSight on the UK store

jlewis2k1
Nov 22, 2006, 01:18 PM
same here i dont see iSight on the sight

crjeong
Nov 23, 2006, 04:16 AM
Pehaps this unSightly thing,

Fire-i Digital Camera is the best FireWire Color Digital Camera available for home/office applications. Its superior VGA picture quality and lightweight housing clearly distinguishes it from other FireWire or USB cameras.

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/uk/Images/T4791_screen1.jpg

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/61064042/wa/PSLID?mco=16A087AE&nplm=T4791&wosid=sF3uMa7zVmtk2cvaEd32U88BKo8

Wow, looks so much cooler than the iSight..........