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werepillow
Sep 1, 2006, 11:30 PM
I've seen a great stupid questions thread by tazo, but it's been closed. What is the stupidest question/story you have?

For me, easy. Got the Mac Book, and my friend asked me why i would get a laptop that only worked when I connected it to another computer...
I brought him over to my house to show him that it did work w/out any assistance. He brought out a CD-R, and told me that i could'nt get any of the songs from it. I put it in, and imported every one into itunes, and copied some of my synched songs on to his CD-R. He asked me why I would get it if I could not get games for it because it has no video card. I told him that's why I have an alienware desktop. He called me a hypocrite, and bought the mac book a month later... :confused:

He's much better w/ pc's then I am, but i kick his MicroAss on a mac any day, at least I converted him.:D

p0intblank
Sep 1, 2006, 11:47 PM
I can't stand ignorant Windows users. They say the stupidest things sometimes and it makes me think "Why would anyone even say that?"

srf4real
Sep 1, 2006, 11:53 PM
I bought my mini at Best Buy. Picked up a 17" lcd, too. Paid, and went to leave when the security geek checked my reciept. I had display under one arm, mini in the other and he says, "where is the computer?"!:eek:

Nermal
Sep 2, 2006, 12:08 AM
On a different (local) forum, I asked whether the DVD players sold here are region-free by law or convenience (Apple's aren't, so I wanted to find out whether I could complain). Despite having asked a question about legality, one Windows user piped up with "that's what you get for having a Mac!"

A different member then posted this: :)

I hate working with Windows nubs like [that guy] :p

Typical scenario when i go to site.
windows admin: zomg this box has no windowz i dont know what to do.
me: ya its AIX
windows admin: but but it sux!
me: dude it is the fastest midrange platform in the world and it scales to super computer what u talking about?
windows admin: but can it do this... *applies changes, reboots server*
me: umm ya u right it cant do that... :(

Shadow
Sep 2, 2006, 06:04 AM
Which is the best anti-virus? :p :D

I've converted 3 people to Mac :cool: !

Jasonbot
Sep 2, 2006, 07:44 AM
Gah, I hate windoze users who've never seen a mac before!

Some of them ask the sales reps why it's so different and they reply that IT'S A MAC DAMMIT!
So they (PC morons) go "So how does it wok if it doesnt have windoze"

Aargh, I cant believe the arrogance of PC users LIVING IN THEIR LITTLE BUBBLES free of all other OSes! They must honestly be shot!

Queso
Sep 2, 2006, 07:50 AM
I always laugh when they try and tell me that my PowerBook can't talk to any Cisco kit, as it "doesn't have Telnet". They're still denying it after I've plugged into their network and reconfigured all their routers onto SSH.

To which they can't connect, because Windows.....:D

NextTuesday
Sep 2, 2006, 08:03 AM
Wheres the Start Button? (on OS X, that is)

Tymmz
Sep 2, 2006, 08:07 AM
weird. everyone i meet loves my mac. no stupid comments nor questions.

really. never ever.

I bought my mini at Best Buy. Picked up a 17" lcd, too. Paid, and went to leave when the security geek checked my reciept. I had display under one arm, mini in the other and he says, "where is the computer?"!:eek:

that's a great story.

Blue Velvet
Sep 2, 2006, 08:13 AM
Slightly alarmingly, I once caught our conference suite manager telling a delegate that he couldn't connect his PowerBook by VGA to the internal projection system as 'it didn't connect to Macs'. Not that she has the slightest clue what she's talking about...

Jaffa Cake
Sep 2, 2006, 08:17 AM
According to a visitor to our studio a while back, our Macs use 'different internets' from PCs. Fancy that, eh? :rolleyes:

Chundles
Sep 2, 2006, 08:18 AM
According to a visitor to our studio a while back, our Macs use 'different internets' from PCs. Fancy that, eh? :rolleyes:

I hate all those different internets.

Jaffa Cake
Sep 2, 2006, 08:19 AM
I hate all those different internets.Indeed. Like a big series of tubes, so they are...

Glen Quagmire
Sep 2, 2006, 08:20 AM
I once saw on Usenet someone ask about the special type of hard drives used by Macs. This was only a few years ago, and Macs were using standard IDE drives at the time and had been for a while.

To be fair, though, many Mac users are similarly clueless when it comes to PCs.

SC68Cal
Sep 2, 2006, 10:03 AM
Most people that I encounter are completely clueless about computers anyway.

Chundles
Sep 2, 2006, 10:05 AM
Indeed. Like a big series of tubes, so they are...

I can't wait to move - get me a bigger tube...

CrackedButter
Sep 2, 2006, 03:34 PM
Most people that I encounter are completely clueless about computers anyway.

More true than anything else.

Lixivial
Sep 2, 2006, 03:47 PM
Aargh, I cant believe the arrogance of PC users LIVING IN THEIR LITTLE BUBBLES free of all other OSes! They must honestly be shot!

Whoa, that's a reversed argument. I always thought the argument went the other way! :D

...Well, sans the violence, of course.

And I've encountered my fair share of "pointed questions" about why I use a Macintosh. My main response is, "Because I can." and leave it at that. I don't feel the need to deal with confrontation or justify my choice in computing platform. As though it were a major life-altering decision or something... though I do find it amusing when I'm told what I can't do on a Macintosh.

Bern
Sep 2, 2006, 04:21 PM
At my College a number of the teachers ask "Do people still use Macs?"

p0intblank
Sep 2, 2006, 04:31 PM
Whoa, that's a reversed argument. I always thought the argument went the other way! :D

...Well, sans the violence, of course.

And I've encountered my fair share of "pointed questions" about why I use a Macintosh. My main response is, "Because I can." and leave it at that. I don't feel the need to deal with confrontation or justify my choice in computing platform. As though it were a major life-altering decision or something... though I do find it amusing when I'm told what I can't do on a Macintosh.

I need to get better at handling those situations like that. When I get asked the question, I just want to tear their head off... but seriously, it just makes me want to go into a huge argument since I am so passionate about Macs. But I think your "because I can" comment is good enough. :)

MacBoobsPro
Sep 2, 2006, 04:37 PM
Indeed. Like a big series of tubes, so they are...

Where can I find these internets? :D

Jasonbot
Sep 2, 2006, 04:39 PM
Yeah, I <3 the "because i can" thing. lots of ppl @ school says macs ae gay just 'coz they look cool! I hate it.

But some people really dont know about other OSes:eek: and they cant comprehend something as different as the mac OS!

yg17
Sep 2, 2006, 05:24 PM
Where can I find these internets? :D

On a giant dump truck

Electro Funk
Sep 2, 2006, 05:27 PM
I hate all those different internets.

i just hate the slow ones... the fast ones i dont mind... :p

Xander562
Sep 2, 2006, 05:38 PM
Indeed. Like a big series of tubes, so they are...
HEY! i got a pneu-mail!

i know what you guys are talking about, some people are just SO STUPID! what i really hate is when salespeople are dumb, and yet I get turned down for the job that they are screwing up!!! You know because i'm under 18, that means i have no idea about computers. :mad:

iBookG4user
Sep 2, 2006, 05:42 PM
My sister's computer world:
her dog websites
games like the sims

Here's some of the things she's said
*software update pops up*
she calls my name and has me come all the way downstairs right when I was in the middle of something important.
me: did you even read what it said?
sister: no, it popped up so I called you
then I push the install updates button

Another one
sister: The computer needs it's rest, it's been on for over 12 hours.
Me: I'm downloading so it can't be turned off. You realize that Macs don't need to be turned off right? Mine has been on for over 2 weeks.
sister: But the computer needs his rest!
Me: Next you're going to call it Mr. Computer aren't you?

Another one
*sister unplugged USB drive without ejecting it so the device removal message comes up and she calls me down again*
Me: Didn't you eject the drive first? All you have to do is drag the icon into the trashcan. And can you just read the message and press "ok" next time?
sister: but the message popped up so I had to call you down so you could fix it.
Me: Can't you read what it says before you call me down?
sister: No, you're the computer guy so you have to fix it.

I'm about ready to get the "I won't fix your computer" shirt because I'm tired of her stupidity.

ricksbrain
Sep 2, 2006, 05:51 PM
With all due respect, your family may need to intervene if your sister is ever to be let out into the real world. God help her if she has to balance a checkbook, or drive into traffic. :eek:

dsnort
Sep 2, 2006, 06:17 PM
Yeah, I <3 the "because i can" thing. lots of ppl @ school says macs ae gay just 'coz they look cool! I hate it.

But some people really dont know about other OSes:eek: and they cant comprehend something as different as the mac OS!

Tell them that only the most gifted students qualify for Macs, the more pedestrian intellects have to settle for windows! :D
( It's only a joke PC guys, don't get your knickers in a wad!)

mduser63
Sep 2, 2006, 07:15 PM
I hear a fair number of stupid things, but the one I dislike the most is "You just use a Mac because you're trendy." :rolleyes:

Lately I must say I've been getting a lot of comments from friends and acquaintences saying that their next computer is going to be a Mac.

dsnort
Sep 2, 2006, 09:35 PM
I've only been using Macs for about 8 months now. I haven't had a lot of dumb questions, but I have heard a lot of stupid assertions.

1."Macs can't connnect to the internet!"

2."You have to have special Mac printers for a Mac"

3."Macs don't have USB"

4."You can't do anything with a Mac."

5."Macs don't connect to (insert name of peripheral that is easier to connect to a Mac than a PC)".

6."The problem with your email is your Mac." (No, the problem with my email was the domain admininstrator reset my authentification password and didn't tell me).


What is really amazing, is that these assertions always come from someone who has absolutely no experience with or knowledge of Macs! :confused: WTF

iris_failsafe
Sep 2, 2006, 10:52 PM
My sister's computer world:
her dog websites
games like the sims

Here's some of the things she's said
*software update pops up*
she calls my name and has me come all the way downstairs right when I was in the middle of something important.
me: did you even read what it said?
sister: no, it popped up so I called you
then I push the install updates button

Another one
sister: The computer needs it's rest, it's been on for over 12 hours.
Me: I'm downloading so it can't be turned off. You realise that Macs don't need to be turned off right? Mine has been on for over 2 weeks.
sister: But the computer needs his rest!
Me: Next you're going to call it Mr. Computer aren't you?


Actually computers do need rest, at least my mac does. Because of our symbiotic relationship, Whenever I finished a big 3d or composite project it starts to do weird things at the same time as my brain, so I shut him down while I go to sleep, I usually finish at 3-4 AM...
The next day it works like new, but he does need the sleep...

On weird things a so called expert in Computer one told me that all computers used Windows as he was trying to sell me a course to learn Windows and I told him that No Thanks I have a Mac... Go Figure

And what do I answer when someone asks me what do I have a mac, I answer because I am smarter...

BurtonCCC
Sep 2, 2006, 10:58 PM
I'm one of the Mac Specialists at Illinois State Univeristy (hopefully Apple Campus Rep soon, baby!) and you wouldn't believe the stupid assumptions. Pretty much our manager is a Mac nut, but we also sell Dell and IBM. Basically we try to get everyone who comes in to buy a Mac. The first words out of my mouth are usually, "How long do you want your computer to last?" It's obviously a rhetorial question because everybody wants to buy a computer that will last a long time. They tell me how long and I then ask them, "Well, what kind of computer are you in the market for?" They usually say Dell and I then explain to them how any computer running Windows, especially on a college campus, isn't going to last unti they're out of school. The people who really piss me off are the people who still buy the Dells. I do get a laugh when they bring them in for a new motherboard about two weeks later. :rolleyes:

Daniel.

BurtonCCC
Sep 2, 2006, 11:00 PM
You realize that Macs don't need to be turned off right?
That's not entirely true. Every computer deserves to be shut off. You're only withering away the life of your computer. Even if it is a superior white Goddess that feasts on the thermal paste and fried motherboards that Michael Dell puts out.

Daniel.

CoMpX
Sep 2, 2006, 11:13 PM
One of the most annoying questions I get is "Why do you use a Mac?" I reply, "Why do you suffer with Windows?" or, "The same reason you use a Dell."

maxrobertson
Sep 2, 2006, 11:30 PM
I once saw on Usenet someone ask about the special type of hard drives used by Macs. This was only a few years ago, and Macs were using standard IDE drives at the time and had been for a while.

To be fair, though, many Mac users are similarly clueless when it comes to PCs.

Not nearly so clueless.

Warbrain
Sep 2, 2006, 11:32 PM
6."The problem with your email is your Mac." (No, the problem with my email was the domain admininstrator reset my authentification password and didn't tell me).

I really hate it when Windows users tell me that it's because I use a Mac that they can't open up the attachment that I send. I will make sure that my attachment will open on most PCs, but for some reason the idiot on the other end won't be able to open it and blame it on me. I can fight it all I want and explain that the issue is on their end of the e-mail since their computer is running the OS that doesn't want to recognize other operating systems unless absolutely forced to, it won't open anything unless it's been approved by Microsoft.

This particularly irks me when I try to e-mail things to my teachers. The main issue with that is how the school images XP onto the computers, so the computers never really have the programs they need.

Warbrain
Sep 2, 2006, 11:34 PM
Not nearly so clueless.

Yea, we know that Windows exists and we know that we're pretty much compatible to them for most tasks.

monke
Sep 2, 2006, 11:36 PM
"I thought everybody used Windows" :D


"Hey, that logo is the same as the one on the back of my iPod!"

sushi
Sep 2, 2006, 11:41 PM
I was doing a PowerPoint presentation to a small group with my PB15.

The PB15 was connected to a projector. Everyone could see the setup that I was using.

One guy asked why I would use a Mac when it cannot do PowerPoint presentations.

I just looked at him with dismay. I pointed to my PB15, then the display, and said it seems to work okay. The others started giggling.

CrackedButter
Sep 3, 2006, 12:28 AM
That's not entirely true. Every computer deserves to be shut off. You're only withering away the life of your computer. Even if it is a superior white Goddess that feasts on the thermal paste and fried motherboards that Michael Dell puts out.

Daniel.

Actually as a counter to your counter point, its far better to leave a machine running then constantly turning it off and on everyday of the week. Reboot it sure but don't turn it off.

Computer components are just like car engines, turning them off and on will eventually wear out engine. Its the expansion and contraction that does it when it gets hot. On the downside to leaving it on though, you are wasting electricity.

kjwebb
Sep 3, 2006, 12:46 AM
Computer components are just like car engines, turning them off and on will eventually wear out engine. Its the expansion and contraction that does it when it gets hot. On the downside to leaving it on though, you are wasting electricity.

Your correct CrackedButter.

Turning on a computer involves a massive amount of electricty that does limit the lifespan of a system.

--------

A classic one is "It's a Mac", usually said by someone who hates Mac's and likes IBM-compatible PC's.

yg17
Sep 3, 2006, 01:44 AM
Not neccesarily a question, but a comment. I always find it entertaining when PC laptop owners try to justify their oversized heaps of junk. In one of my classes, one guy next to me pulls out a Dell laptop. That thing had to be at least 2 inches thick. I can't find a pic of it online (I'm not 100% sure it was even a Dell) but trust me, it's thick. Like a desktop replacement or whatever. I don't even know why one would bring it to class. So I comment, "Holy crap, that thing is thick." He justifies all that bulk by saying "Well, it has a gig of RAM". I pull out my PowerBook, and say "Oh really? Mine has 2 gigs"

Or, I hear all the time, "Well, I install antivirus and antispyware so I don't have to worry about viruses on my Windows machine" That's not the point, at all. Yes, you can prevent them to an extent, but we don't have to dedicate precious and limited resources to these anti-whatever programs that must run constantly in the background and slow everything down. It's the fact that your OS is even able to be compromised that easily which is troubling. That would be like saying, "Well, I always leave the door to my house unlocked because I know my dog will attack any intruders." Well, great and all, but what if the dog is exhausted, tired and sleeping, and doesn't notice any intruders or just doesn't give a *****, or would rather hump the intruder's leg than attack. I'd rather lock the door and have the peace of mind that no matter what, I'm protected.

Other than dumb things like that, I've never had any really dumb comments. Well, at least that's the only memorable one. My immediate family uses Macs, except my sister who has some crappy Dell laptop but never says anything. None of my friends use Macs but will say things as jokes just to try to piss me off. And for the most part at college, the PC users don't say much. It's a pretty techy campus, and while it's definitely a Windows majority, the students are smart enough to know that Macs and PCs use the same internets and crap like that.

The one time I can actually remember being asked, "Why are Mac's so much better?" was when my parents' PC, for the lack of a better term, blew up. I said, "Looks like you guys need a new computer, I think we should get a Mac mini" and my mom asked that. Being as computer illiterate as she is, I could have said "Because I said so" and she probably would've been content with that, but of course, I explained, and a year later and they love the mini.

Although, if I had a dime for every time I heard "Macs only have 1 mouse button" I'd be able to buy a shitton of Mac Pros.

Warbrain
Sep 3, 2006, 08:25 AM
I was doing a PowerPoint presentation to a small group with my PB15.

The PB15 was connected to a projector. Everyone could see the setup that I was using.

One guy asked why I would use a Mac when it cannot do PowerPoint presentations.

I just looked at him with dismay. I pointed to my PB15, then the display, and said it seems to work okay. The others started giggling.


God, that would frustrate me so much. Some people are such idiots.

jadekitty24
Sep 3, 2006, 08:53 AM
You guys aren't BELIEVE this one...I was at work the other day and I was chatting with someone about my Powerbook when this jerk comes in and asks me what computer I was talking about. I told him "Powerbook G4". He started laughing and said "Oh, that really sucks...how are you going to use your iPod now???" He was dead serious!!! yeah...iPods are "PC-only"...how dumb can I be?

miniConvert
Sep 3, 2006, 09:23 AM
One of the problems I've already noticed I'm going to have with a good friend of mine who's switching is the impulsiveness to want to do everything exactly the same as one would in Windows.

For example, "Where are all the programs"? Looking desperately around for a Start button was probably a bad sign ;) He seemed pretty happy with the idea of going through Finder, clicking something on the Dock (lets face it, that's where we all keep our most used applications) or using Spotlight to get to things really quickly.

I approached Mac OS X with a very open mind, ready to learn new ways of doing things. I think I can expect a lot of 'stupid questions' from more closed-minded computer users over the coming weeks and months as they try and replicate their Windows habits on OS X.

I'm rather hoping I don't have to deal with the level of ignorance some of you lot are putting up with, though!

Queso
Sep 3, 2006, 09:27 AM
One of the problems I've already noticed I'm going to have with a good friend of mine who's switching is the impulsiveness to want to do everything exactly the same as one would in Windows.
All switchers are like that to begin with. Give him a few weeks :)

Jasonbot
Sep 3, 2006, 09:30 AM
"Hey, that logo is the same as the one on the back of my iPod!"

:eek: OMG, so apple now makes iPod-Compatible Computers, lol

You guys aren't BELIEVE this one...I was at work the other day and I was chatting with someone about my Powerbook when this jerk comes in and asks me what computer I was talking about. I told him "Powerbook G4". He started laughing and said "Oh, that really sucks...how are you going to use your iPod now???" He was dead serious!!! yeah...iPods are "PC-only"...how dumb can I be?

Wow, I wish my mac worked seamlessly with my iPod!

The admins at my school are so dumb, I bring my mac to get w-lan networking, well, working! And the PC techs say it can't work 'coz mac's dont do fancy proxy software only made for windoze! I was laughing hard when I showed the the -BUILT IN- proxy support on OS X:D

ricksbrain
Sep 3, 2006, 10:02 AM
You guys just jarred my memory:

I was checking out at a grocery store wearing an t-shirt with an Apple logo on it. The bag-boy snickers and says something about iPods being for people trying to being trendy and that Apple was "dumb." I'm in my thirties ands was surprised a teenager at work at work would say this in front of others, but it was clear he wanted to get a reaction of some sort.

I simply said, "Well, I switched in 1997, before the iPod ever came around. And I haven't used Windows for years because I couldn't manage to swallow that garbage anymore. It's a shame people don't know what their missing." And, with a smirk of my own on my face, I finished, "To each, his own."

I'm not sure exactly what he was thinking, but he did seem a tad defeated. It was a nice moment for me.

DwightSchrute
Sep 3, 2006, 12:19 PM
This isn't nearly as bad as some other people's stories but I got a 3G iPod a couple years ago. At the time almost no one at my school had iPods and some people actually made fun of me for having one. At the end of last achool year I think about 90% of the students had iPods. Although hopefully we will see the same trend with Macs as with iPods. Then instead of hearing you have a Mac? You will hear you don't have a Mac?

dsnort
Sep 3, 2006, 12:24 PM
Or, I hear all the time, "Well, I install antivirus and antispyware so I don't have to worry about viruses on my Windows machine"

Definition of antivirus software- an electronic condom for your PC! :D

CrackedButter
Sep 3, 2006, 12:55 PM
Your correct CrackedButter.

Turning on a computer involves a massive amount of electricty that does limit the lifespan of a system.

--------

A classic one is "It's a Mac", usually said by someone who hates Mac's and likes IBM-compatible PC's.

Its not the electricity that does it, its the heat, the constant expansion and contraction of the metals in the laptop, eventually, it'll just give up, like a car engine.

the7dwarfs
Sep 3, 2006, 02:16 PM
When I was buying my 3rd gen ipod I was told by a friend that I would have to buy a seperate usb cable since macs didn't support firewire. The stupid thing was, at the time my imac was probably one of few computers that did.

He has since gone on to buy an ipod and is now the owner of a macbook. ;)

Warbrain
Sep 3, 2006, 03:33 PM
This isn't nearly as bad as some other people's stories but I got a 3G iPod a couple years ago. At the time almost no one at my school had iPods and some people actually made fun of me for having one. At the end of last achool year I think about 90% of the students had iPods. Although hopefully we will see the same trend with Macs as with iPods. Then instead of hearing you have a Mac? You will hear you don't have a Mac?

I got that reaction when I got the first iPod in my high school. No one else owned one, and I knew it, so I showed it off. People mocked me. Then those people came back the next year and had iPods. I told them all to bite my ass.

BurtonCCC
Sep 3, 2006, 03:52 PM
Actually as a counter to your counter point, its far better to leave a machine running then constantly turning it off and on everyday of the week. Reboot it sure but don't turn it off.

Computer components are just like car engines, turning them off and on will eventually wear out engine. Its the expansion and contraction that does it when it gets hot. On the downside to leaving it on though, you are wasting electricity.
Touché. Well, you learn something new everyday. I just always see that whenever people bring in computers for repair, they usually say that they leave it on all the time. I also find that my computer usually runs slowly when it's been left on for a long time. Will simply rebooting give it a boost after being on for a long time?

Daniel.

steve_hill4
Sep 3, 2006, 04:51 PM
Touché. Well, you learn something new everyday. I just always see that whenever people bring in computers for repair, they usually say that they leave it on all the time. I also find that my computer usually runs slowly when it's been left on for a long time. Will simply rebooting give it a boost after being on for a long time?

Daniel.
Whatever the machine, I would say it's better to reboot every so often. A lot of processes may not have shut down properly, memory is still being used for these and you just find it feeling slower. A reboot will clean out the memory and start everything again from scratch, (only theory mind you). Logging out and in often has a similar effect.

Now I sit and wait for others to shoot down what I've just said. :)

tipdrill407
Sep 3, 2006, 05:54 PM
"Do Macs support multi-button mice?"

CrackedButter
Sep 3, 2006, 05:57 PM
Touché. Well, you learn something new everyday. I just always see that whenever people bring in computers for repair, they usually say that they leave it on all the time. I also find that my computer usually runs slowly when it's been left on for a long time. Will simply rebooting give it a boost after being on for a long time?

Daniel.

I don't know what those people are doing with those computers (are they macs btw) but I reboot mine (iBook 1Ghz) probably once every 2 to 3 months, I don't "notice" any difference over that period of time.

But recently I have been putting my iBook through xbench and have deliberately rebooted it and got a better score if its the first thing I do and not right after I've opened an application or left it running photoshop and other programs then quit them to run xbench. Make out of that what you will.

RedTomato
Sep 3, 2006, 07:10 PM
Slightly alarmingly, I once caught our conference suite manager telling a delegate that he couldn't connect his PowerBook by VGA to the internal projection system as 'it didn't connect to Macs'.

I travel round giving presentations every now and then with my PB15, and I've had that response several times.

To be honest, most Mac laptops don't actually have VGA ports; you have to remember to bring the DVI / VGA adaptor, and I've had a few sweaty moments rooting through my bag while setting up in front of a large audience...

gnasher729
Sep 4, 2006, 03:13 PM
According to a visitor to our studio a while back, our Macs use 'different internets' from PCs. Fancy that, eh? :rolleyes:

But of course. Thing is, all the viruses in the world are on the internet that Windows uses. That's why Macs don't get viruses, it is because Mac users are cowards who use the other internet without viruses.

hdsalinas
Sep 4, 2006, 04:24 PM
As Homer Simpson once said, "They have the internet on computers now?!"

I actually would never want to see the day when macs are as popular as windows is right now. I like the exclusiveness and elite appeal of macs. If that would ever happen, I would have to move to linux.

We may be fewer but we are smarter.

MacBoobsPro
Sep 4, 2006, 04:31 PM
As Homer Simpson once said, "They have the internet on computers now?!"

I actually would never want to see the day when macs are as popular as windows is right now. I like the exclusiveness and elite appeal of macs. If that would ever happen, I would have to move to linux.

We may be fewer but we are smarter.

Me likey you're thinking! :D

mkrishnan
Sep 4, 2006, 04:49 PM
But recently I have been putting my iBook through xbench and have deliberately rebooted it and got a better score if its the first thing I do and not right after I've opened an application or left it running photoshop and other programs then quit them to run xbench. Make out of that what you will.

There are two things that definitely can contribute:

1) VM gets flushed on reboot.
2) If you have memory leaky programs and you even just shut them all down, this can help.

ScubaDuc
Sep 4, 2006, 05:02 PM
My biggest Windooze peeoff...

All those boxes that say " PC compatible" on them, so I ask...What does it mean? :confused: PC stands for Personal Computer, as far as I can recall...It's a PCI card, it better fit in my PC since by definition, all my boxes are PCs, then I ask the salesperson...Do they mean it has to be "Intel" compatible? They say...Yes :That's it SO, I ask, will it work with Linux? No, of course... :eek: SO, what you want to say it is that it works only with Windows... :mad:

Why don't they just write that on the box?... :rolleyes:

Xander562
Sep 4, 2006, 05:14 PM
Why don't they just write that on the box?... :rolleyes:
So that dumb people will buy it by mistake.

regre7
Sep 4, 2006, 06:17 PM
A friend of mine who is a convert was talking to a PC guy, trying to get him to switch, and the guy asked, "Does it have, you know, word processing programs?"

I was converted in March of this year, and since then I've been a major force in the conversion of three PC users. The funny thing is, you never hear of Mac users switching to Windows....

Xander562
Sep 4, 2006, 06:35 PM
The funny thing is, you never hear of Mac users switching to Windows....
There was a recent thread about one here. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=227275)
However, your right, they are few and far between.

mjstew33
Sep 4, 2006, 06:41 PM
"Macs get more viruses than Windows!11onee!!!!!"
I was doing a PowerPoint presentation to a small group with my PB15.

The PB15 was connected to a projector. Everyone could see the setup that I was using.

One guy asked why I would use a Mac when it cannot do PowerPoint presentations.

I just looked at him with dismay. I pointed to my PB15, then the display, and said it seems to work okay. The others started giggling.
I love it!

savanahrose
Sep 4, 2006, 06:42 PM
I don't have a mac as of yet, but I am already hearing it. Why do you want a mac? I look at them like they are dense. And I tell them. I just bought a book on macs and I intend for them all to read it. Hopefully, I can get some converts out of them. Especially my husband.

Snowy_River
Sep 4, 2006, 10:08 PM
I travel round giving presentations every now and then with my PB15, and I've had that response several times.

To be honest, most Mac laptops don't actually have VGA ports; you have to remember to bring the DVI / VGA adaptor, and I've had a few sweaty moments rooting through my bag while setting up in front of a large audience...

I usually use a standard S-video cable for my traveling presentations. Every overhead projector I've come across has an S-video input, and if I forget my cable I can get a new one from Radio Shack for less than $10.

Also, here's a recent tale from my adventures with my father. My parents have had a Mac at home for years. However, my father has never had a very good time with it. He somehow manages to get that computer to freeze when doing the simplest of things (i.e. printing). He constantly goes on about how much more stable Windows is. (Ironically, my mother has told me that she's seen him dealing with his office Windows computers, and he has just as much difficulty with them as he ever had with the Macs.) Of course, my mother has never had these kinds of difficulties, using the exact same machine. Go figure.

Now, to continue, I have set my parents house up with a wireless network. This has allowed my father to stop using their iMac and start using his work Windows laptop at home. The network is, of course, run on Airport base-stations (a primary Extreme and a remote, repeater and printer-server, Express). Well, recently he was having trouble printing. He had tried unplugging and plugging back in the Express base-station. He had tried turning on and off the printer. He had tried unplugging all of the cables to the printer and plugging them back in. Everything he could think of, he had tried.

So, finally, I arrived. I took a look at the set-up. I found that his computer wasn't seeing the printer. The Bonjour Printer Setup wasn't seeing it at all. However, my G4PB saw it fine. So, I restarted his computer, and suddenly everything was fine.

His comment was, "My computer was the one culprit I didn't think of."

But, of course, he did think of the Apple products straight away!!

Fotograffiti
Sep 4, 2006, 10:15 PM
"I was converted in March of this year, and since then I've been a major force in the conversion of three PC users. " <------ This is one of the funniest lines I have heard today. hehe Don't get too mad, I just thought it sounded humorous. *S*

A friend of mine who is a convert was talking to a PC guy, trying to get him to switch, and the guy asked, "Does it have, you know, word processing programs?"

I was converted in March of this year, and since then I've been a major force in the conversion of three PC users. The funny thing is, you never hear of Mac users switching to Windows....

wonga1127
Sep 4, 2006, 10:18 PM
I hear lots. Trying to connect to a network, "oh it can't connect because its a mac"

Once I watched someone try to install a Windows version of Photoshop on their Mac and wonder why it wasn't working.

I hear this all the time: "Why does everything look different?"

Heard this from some guy I know: Macs are garbage. I nearly slapped him.

The biggest thing of all:

When people refer to Macs as Apples. Seriously, do your homework, they're MACINTOSHES! You say Apple, I think Apple ][.

askegg
Sep 4, 2006, 10:22 PM
I once saw on Usenet someone ask about the special type of hard drives used by Macs. This was only a few years ago, and Macs were using standard IDE drives at the time and had been for a while.

To be fair, though, many Mac users are similarly clueless when it comes to PCs.
Heh, I believe Apple used SCSI drives for a long time because they were better than IDE. With SATA the difference is not that great anymore....

askegg
Sep 4, 2006, 10:31 PM
I was doing a PowerPoint presentation to a small group with my PB15.

The PB15 was connected to a projector. Everyone could see the setup that I was using.

One guy asked why I would use a Mac when it cannot do PowerPoint presentations.

I just looked at him with dismay. I pointed to my PB15, then the display, and said it seems to work okay. The others started giggling.
I can relate to this. I use Keynote because of its great presenter screen and different transition effects. It opens Powerpoints files with no problems at all. When I show people what I can do with Keynote they are very impressed and want to buy it for their PC. I have great fun telling them it is only available on a mac :)

Demoman
Sep 4, 2006, 10:43 PM
Trying to talk my niece into getting a MB instead of a Dell laptop.

My niece: I would get a Mac for college Uncle Steve, but I heard all they were good for was playing games.

Me: No, that is the one thing they don't do as well with.

My niece: Really? Well, maybe I should not get either laptop and get a PC?

Me: Have you considered beauty school instead of college?

apfhex
Sep 5, 2006, 02:43 AM
The biggest thing of all:

When people refer to Macs as Apples. Seriously, do your homework, they're MACINTOSHES! You say Apple, I think Apple ][.
The reverse: I hate it when people refer to Apple (the company) as "MAC". Same goes for referring to Adobe (the company) as "Photo Shop" (and no, there's no space or capital S in the name! Grr :) ).

I once had a Windows user ask me about my Mac, "So what version of Windows is this?"

Queso
Sep 5, 2006, 02:46 AM
A friend of mine who is a convert was talking to a PC guy, trying to get him to switch, and the guy asked, "Does it have, you know, word processing programs?"
Yeah, that's always a good one. "But what software do you use to open Word files? Or Excel spreadsheets?"

GodBless
Sep 5, 2006, 02:52 AM
I can relate to this. I use Keynote because of its great presenter screen and different transition effects. It opens Powerpoints files with no problems at all. When I show people what I can do with Keynote they are very impressed and want to buy it for their PC. I have great fun telling them it is only available on a mac :)Yes; Keynote is my favorite presentation application too. I really enjoy the eye-popping responses I get.:cool: PC users need to get a life -- or I mean iLife (too).

7on
Sep 5, 2006, 08:21 AM
HEY! i got a pneu-mail!

i know what you guys are talking about, some people are just SO STUPID! what i really hate is when salespeople are dumb, and yet I get turned down for the job that they are screwing up!!! You know because i'm under 18, that means i have no idea about computers. :mad:

Being under 18 means they would have to apply for different taxs, regulations, etc. Or they need full-time people and to my knowledge, under 18 can only be hired part-time.

sushi
Sep 5, 2006, 08:15 PM
God, that would frustrate me so much. Some people are such idiots.
He actually looked around for another computer because he could not believe I was using my PB15 for the presentation.

CoMpX
Sep 5, 2006, 08:20 PM
I absolutely love when people see me using iPhoto or iMovie, and they see how easy it is. Then, they proceed to question me about it and ask where they could get it from. I get such joy from telling them it's only available on a Mac.

Jasonbot
Sep 5, 2006, 11:21 PM
I get so frustrated when people call apple computers all sorts of weird things:

For the computer: apple-mac
For the OS: Apple
For the company: Mac
Logic Board: Mother Board
The list goes on!

Zwhaler
Sep 6, 2006, 12:11 AM
I've heard "Mac's sucks because they don't have windows, they have that stupid apple software"

Haha 1st of all they do run windows, and 2nd, that stupid apple software just happens to be years ahead of windoze xp

whoooaaahhhh
Sep 6, 2006, 12:55 AM
"Oh, that really sucks...how are you going to use your iPod now???" He was dead serious!!! yeah...iPods are "PC-only"...how dumb can I be?


I hear you have to have special drivers to use an iPod with a mac...

Seems like I'm just installing drivers all the time...

After G
Sep 6, 2006, 01:29 AM
The one thing I hate hearing PC users say is "It isn't like Windows. It doesn't run all my Windows programs." Well, that much should be apparent.

A good thing I heard today though to counter the ickiness ... When I showed my sister Front Row, she said "I am never going back to PCs again."

pknz
Sep 6, 2006, 01:31 AM
Not a question, but the belieft that iTunes forces users to put music into some crazy, Apple only format so that the music can go onto iPods.

Warbrain
Sep 6, 2006, 04:29 AM
I get so frustrated when people call apple computers all sorts of weird things:

For the computer: apple-mac
For the OS: Apple
For the company: Mac
Logic Board: Mother Board
The list goes on!

I really hate it when people do this: "I have a MAC and an I-Pod that runs Apple X and I don't know how to get out of I-Tunes." Makes me shudder.

mcmadhatter
Sep 6, 2006, 05:44 AM
Questions/statements I have encountered over the years

1) But you can't plug a digital camera into it. (in reference to my ibook g4)
2) I checked, you can't get Norton Security Suite to work on a mac.
3) Can you surf the internet on a mac?
4) But you'd be in trouble if you needed to create a rescue disk because macs can't have floppy disk drives. (followed by) how do you transfer files between computers if you can't store them on a floppy? (this was 5 years ago)

RedTomato
Sep 6, 2006, 06:29 AM
I have a story about a mate who tried apple out for a week then switched back to PCs.

He is the founder and ceo of a very small filming company (about 7 staff). I've known him to be a strong windows guy - his company and edit suites are all-windows.

I recently visited his house, for his baby daughter's birthday party, and was suprised to find an iBook G4 1.2ghz lying around in his living room, as his previous experience was testing out an os9 editing solution many years ago ("Complete sh**, crashes all the time, pile of junk.")

What's with the iBook? I asked him. Turns out he rented it for a week for £100 to test it out and see what it was like.

So, congrats Apple for getting this Mac hater to lay out his money and test an iBook for a week. Unfortunately, his trial didn't go well.

What do you think of it? I asked him.

"Complete sh**, dog slow, won't open any of my files, waste of money."

Quite suprised by this, I had a look at the iBook. 1.5ghz check, factory fresh install of OSX 10.4.x check. But only 256 RAM. No MS office, no Acrobat, no iWork, no Photoshop.

No wonder none of his PC files would open on the Apple, and that what applications he did try out (iMovie etc) became dog slow.

Shame on Apple, releasing such a powerful iBook with only 256 MB RAM, especially with applications that don't quit when you close their windows.

I've seen so many PC people complaining that their Apple laptops have become dog slow, without realising that they have 20 applications open supported by a dog's puddle of RAM.

Shame on the rental company that took his money and gave him an Apple for a week with such low RAM, and without any useful applications. I'm especially staggered by the stupidity of renting apples to professionals without MS Office installed.

I tried to explain what I could, but it was a bit of an uphill battle. It'll probably be several more years before he tries an apple again.

Jasonbot
Sep 6, 2006, 11:31 PM
Apple's OS X ten operating system...
And incorrect spelling of "i" products:
I-Mac(intosh)

And People who cant quit OS X apps coz thy just close the little windows!

j26
Sep 7, 2006, 04:47 PM
Not a question but I was in PC World yesterday and I mentioned to the sales guy that the MacBook (hidden in the corner, only arrived a few days ago - PC World don't really like macs) had dropped in price after only a few days. He said

"Yeah, I don't know much about macs. they're sort of a niche market, and the only people who by them are Apple users. For some reason, people who buy them seem to stick to them"

Queso
Sep 8, 2006, 04:10 AM
"Yeah, I don't know much about macs. they're sort of a niche market, and the only people who by them are Apple users. For some reason, people who buy them seem to stick to them"
Stupidest statement ever. Like saying the only people who use Windows are Microsoft users :rolleyes:

PC World look like they're going down the pan anyway. Our local one used to have Macs in the window (it's the London West End branch near Euston station), then gradually it's gone more and more downmarket. They now have a rather untidy looking mix of LCD TVs, one PC with tons of LEDs blinking away on the front, adverts for office furniture and an XBox that looks like it's broken to entice the customers in. They're also taking the MFI approach and having a never-ending sale.

Can't die quick enough for me. That shop has been nothing but trouble since they moved in. The company can't seem to understand that this PC World is in a residential area rather than a business park, and therefore 3am deliveries and skips being emptied at 5am aren't the best idea to keep the neighbours happy :rolleyes:

21stcenturykid
Sep 8, 2006, 04:23 AM
Stupidest statement ever. Like saying the only people who use Windows are Microsoft users :rolleyes:

PC World look like they're going down the pan anyway. Our local one used to have Macs in the window (it's the London West End branch near Euston station), then gradually it's gone more and more downmarket. They now have a rather untidy looking mix of LCD TVs, one PC with tons of LEDs blinking away on the front, adverts for office furniture and an XBox that looks like it's broken to entice the customers in. They're also taking the MFI approach and having a never-ending sale.

Can't die quick enough for me. That shop has been nothing but trouble since they moved in. The company can't seem to understand that this PC World is in a residential area rather than a business park, and therefore 3am deliveries and skips being emptied at 5am aren't the best idea to keep the neighbours happy :rolleyes:

They also always seem to have really old versions of the current lineups like at least 6 months out dated and it annoys me sooo much:mad:

I've switched what...6 people to mac since i got my iMac 2 years ago but two of those people bought theirs from PC world and they ended up getting the previous revision! i say noo get it from the Apple store but no they buy an older mac for the same price as the new one! duh silly PC users!:p

From the most recent switcher i had the good old "WHAT? it has two buttons??" (refering to mighty mouse) then i configured it properly and it has four technically. At this developement they were extatic lol!!

MacRumorUser
Sep 8, 2006, 04:32 AM
^_^
We have a pc world (not too many in Ireland) in the nearest city to me (limerick - a 1 hr 45 min drive) but it's the ONLY store near me that actually stocks ANY apples :( And yes you are right, they are always 2 genertions behind :rolleyes:

But at least they carry them - whereas

What really iritates me is that Ireland doesnt have a single Apple Store and yet Apples European HQ is based here in Co.Cork. Arghhhhh.....

RedTomato
Sep 8, 2006, 04:44 AM
PC World look like they're going down the pan anyway. Our local one used to have Macs in the window (it's the London West End branch near Euston station),
....

Can't die quick enough for me. That shop has been nothing but trouble since they moved in. The company can't seem to understand that this PC World is in a residential area rather than a business park, and therefore 3am deliveries and skips being emptied at 5am aren't the best idea to keep the neighbours happy :rolleyes:

Is that the one in Tottenham Court road? Near the top, near the new hospital?

I was looking for a new hard drive in a hurry, and was astounded at their ridiculous prices ...

I thought Tottenham court road was a commercial road - do you live there then? :eek:

Queso
Sep 8, 2006, 04:57 AM
I thought Tottenham court road was a commercial road - do you live there then? :eek:
I live on Grafton Way, the road that crosses Tottenham Court Road at that junction. There's loads of flats at that end of TCR. Above Warren St. Tube station, along both Warren St. and Grafton Way, and a massive block above Spearmint Rhino. We have a Residents Association that liaises with the Hospital, the builders, the shops etc. (including Sainsbury's which is open 18 hours a day) and all of those organisations are respectful of our existence, the one exception being PC World. The local Environmental Health fine them all the time for causing disruption but they still carry on as if they can do what they like.

Swines. Don't buy anything in that shop, ever. They don't deserve your money.

p0intblank
Sep 8, 2006, 01:00 PM
These stories are hilarious, yet sad at the same time. It amazes me how many people judge a Mac, but have never actually used one for more than ten minutes.

I can't stand ignorance.

CrackedButter
Sep 8, 2006, 01:41 PM
I get so frustrated when people call apple computers all sorts of weird things:

For the computer: apple-mac
For the OS: Apple
For the company: Mac
Logic Board: Mother Board
The list goes on!

I still sometimes say "motherboard" rather than "logic board", you are being too anal on that one as its really a non issue IMO.

mkrishnan
Sep 8, 2006, 01:57 PM
I still sometimes say "motherboard" rather than "logic board"

I do too... and the two really are pretty analogous, aren't they?

j26
Sep 8, 2006, 02:08 PM
^_^
We have a pc world (not too many in Ireland) in the nearest city to me (limerick - a 1 hr 45 min drive) but it's the ONLY store near me that actually stocks ANY apples :( And yes you are right, they are always 2 genertions behind :rolleyes:

But at least they carry them - whereas

What really iritates me is that Ireland doesnt have a single Apple Store and yet Apples European HQ is based here in Co.Cork. Arghhhhh.....

Well the Waterford PC World has the current white MacBook in stock for 1,299 (less than the Apple website - unless you're a student). It was 1,549 last week :eek: :rolleyes: I'm sure a few quid could be knocked off if you're prepared to haggle. I did that when I was getting my PowerBook.

They also have these (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF05a/20491-314293-314303-314303-314303-12426180.html) 19" monitors which I bought today for 259 and it's lovely and very like the ACD. It's silver and goes perfectly with my PowerBook. I'm sure it will be great with my MacBook (when it arrives).

Jasonbot
Sep 8, 2006, 02:14 PM
I still sometimes say "motherboard" rather than "logic board", you are being too anal on that one as its really a non issue IMO.

Wow, I guess ppl really dont care? Bit harsh but I like to differentiate between PC and mac, I'll always say mac instead of computer when talking about whatever:confused:

Robbouk
Sep 8, 2006, 02:37 PM
Hi,
First time post, but just had to reply to this thread.

Classic comments I have heard include:-

"What's the differance between an Apple iPod and a normal iPod"
"Macs are rubbish because they only have one mouse button"
"How do you get on the internet if it doesn't have Internet Explorer?"
"Macs are slow, and rubbish and always crash" - From someone that had never actually used a mac. Don't know it 'till you've tried it.

When trying to establish what type of G3 iMac someone had, I asked them what color it was, and got this response:-
"Not sure, I'm not very good with computers"

SkyBell
Sep 8, 2006, 02:57 PM
1. "Macs don't have Windows. They Suck."
2. "Where's the start button?"
3. "Macs only have one button mouses."
4. "There isn't any software for Macs."

And my favorite, a conversation I had at school in Computer Tech:

ME: Excuse me, But I don't have a Windows computer at home.
TEACHER: Well, what do you use?
ME: A Mac.
TEACHER: A Mac? What the heck is that?

I didn't know weather to laugh, or to feel sorry for her. I laughed :)

mkrishnan
Sep 8, 2006, 03:16 PM
When trying to establish what type of G3 iMac someone had, I asked them what color it was, and got this response:-
"Not sure, I'm not very good with computers"

:D

Nice! But are you color blind? :eek: ;) :D

Welcome to MR, by the way. :)

Queso
Sep 8, 2006, 03:27 PM
When trying to establish what type of G3 iMac someone had, I asked them what color it was, and got this response:-
"Not sure, I'm not very good with computers"
That reminds me of the stupidest thing I've ever said as a techie. A user at the company I worked for at the time rang to say he was having problems with the software that "read the screen" for him so he knew where the mouse pointer was. At the time we were in the middle of changing the crappy built-in Netware client for NT with the Novell supplied one, so I asked him what colour the logon window was.

:o

SkyBell
Sep 8, 2006, 03:28 PM
I think he was referring to talking about someone on the internet or the phone.

EDIT: Dang just behind that last post

Lixivial
Sep 8, 2006, 03:59 PM
"How do you get on the internet if it doesn't have Internet Explorer?"


Yeah, what I usually do with that one is take the icon from IE and paste it right onto Safari, Firefox, or whatever. I proceed to tell them, "Hey, look. It's effing IE."

Even when IE was the default browser for OS X, I had a difficult time recommending it. Not for its features -- its features are/were well ahead of its Windows counterpart -- but because of its rendering quirks. Gross.

CrackedButter
Sep 9, 2006, 12:36 PM
Wow, I guess ppl really dont care? Bit harsh but I like to differentiate between PC and mac, I'll always say mac instead of computer when talking about whatever:confused:

1. Get a life, my Mac is a Mac, its also a PC, its also a computer. I can call it all three and still be right.

2. We were talking about using the terms, logic and mother boards, then you change topic and mention in your last post about saying "mac" instead of "computer".

Jasonbot
Sep 10, 2006, 02:19 AM
1. Get a life, my Mac is a Mac, its also a PC, its also a computer. I can call it all three and still be right.

2. We were talking about using the terms, logic and mother boards, then you change topic and mention in your last post about saying "mac" instead of "computer".

1. I have a life, probably a better one than yu'll ever have! I also have a mac/PC/computer (happy now I called it all 3)

2. There's not really any flaw in changing the topic now is there, maybe your brain cannot comprehend the idea of having two topics flowing through your head @ the same time?

*Jasonbot angry:mad:*

CrackedButter
Sep 10, 2006, 02:53 AM
1. I have a life, probably a better one than yu'll ever have! I also have a mac/PC/computer (happy now I called it all 3)

2. There's not really any flaw in changing the topic now is there, maybe your brain cannot comprehend the idea of having two topics flowing through your head @ the same time?

*Jasonbot angry:mad:*

1. You know what they say about assumptions so why go there?
2. Do you understand how to have a conversation?

I'm talking about logicboards and motherboards and you mention people not calling a "Mac" a Mac and not a PC. Do you see how that make sense and you look obtuse?

dukebound85
Sep 10, 2006, 03:02 AM
1. You know what they say about assumptions so why go there?
2. Do you understand how to have a conversation?

I'm talking about logicboards and motherboards and you mention people not calling a "Mac" a Mac and not a PC. Do you see how that make sense and you look obtuse?


I agree

TEG
Sep 10, 2006, 03:13 AM
I have a friend who has a Compaq/HP laptop. He has had to have it repaired several times. He is getting ready to start his own engineering firm, and I keep telling him that if he wants to keep his long-term costs, he should buy Macs to for his engineering systems. He says he would, if only they made "Solid Works 3D" for OS X, currently 2D is available for OS X, and 3D for Windows. Then when Apple switched to Intel, he was much more open to the switch, but he keeps saying "I can't stand the idea of a one button mouse." I keep explaining that only the laptops have one button, but he wants a MacBook Pro to work on. I have even pointed out that there are several utilities for Windows to allow the MacBook trackpad to react like a two button mouse, but he's still resistant.

I "switched" in 2001. The primary reason was that I did not want to have to bother with fixing my computer all the time while I was in college (I was fully aware how infested Dorm computer networks are). The secondary reason was... Games! Yes, I said it, games. I owned a copy of SimCity 2000 for Mac and another one for PC, but all my cities were in the SC2K Mac format (meaning they lacked the .sc2 extension, and when ever I'd open them on my PC, the file name and City name would get the .sc2 attached to it). The other reason was that I wanted a long battery life (TiBook 500 had about 4 hours), and something that was lighter than the PCs.

I had been exposed to Macs since the 3rd Grade, even using Mac Classics and Hypercard to create presentations using laser discs (in the 3rd Grade). As I continued through school I became more familiar with the machines, and eventually became the person teachers and administrators would call to fix their computers throughout the district. As a result, I was able to see first hand the problems that affected some systems, both Mac and PC. The PC problems would take weeks to correct and track down the drivers for everything when you reinstalled Windows, the Macs were always about 2 hours for the entire process, including installing OnGuard Security software. The biggest problem we had, was that a majority of our computers were PowerMac 5200/LCs and 5260s, considered the worst of the all-in-one PowerMacs. The biggest problem with them was stability on the internet, which was what most kids do the instant they get on a computer, even then.

You want to know my response to anyone that asks, "Why do you use a Mac?" I respond, "I am using a Mac because I choose to, I am not forced to use a PC."

TEG

Jasonbot
Sep 10, 2006, 08:21 AM
1. You know what they say about assumptions so why go there?
2. Do you understand how to have a conversation?

I'm talking about logicboards and motherboards and you mention people not calling a "Mac" a Mac and not a PC. Do you see how that make sense and you look obtuse?

1. No idea? But I did go there and there's not much you have to say so you kept quiet and now you're hiding behinad a layer of bad quotes and things you've heard before.
2.I was wondering if you did? Sometimes changing the topic is pretty cool if you have someone who is able to understand.

I don't see how I look obtuse by changing a topic, this thread is on stupid questions by PC users so here's one:
You need mac specific parts to fix a mac! While this is true it's just so easy to go to the apple store! I don't see PC store's as good as Apple Centers!

N.B. For people who don't undestand! I am changing the direction of my topic, This means that I'm talking about something else, I hope you enjoy my input in the form of confirming to the legitimacy of the forum.

eyemacg5
Sep 14, 2006, 01:59 PM
More of remarks than questions.

1. When I got my mac, I was telling everyone at school that I had one, becuase no one else does, a bit showing off. After school I signed in to MSN, first conversation to come up, "Shut up you mac geek" but whats even worse, this was a good friend of mine who actually wanted a mac mini and he always spends stupid amoutns of money on ipods etc phones etc.

2. My router wasnt working with my mac, uhhh, I didnt have airport turned on :rolleyes: remember this was the first time I used a mac, phoned netgear support.

Techy: Hello Welcome to netgear support I am [name], how can I help?
Me: I just bourght a new imac and a netgear [router model] and I dont seem to be able to connect?
Techy: Can you tell me what Version of windows you are using?
Me: Its not windows, its a mac, Apple OSX 10.4.[what ever version it was]
Techy: Ohh not windows sorry our routers and cards do not support linux machines.

So I hung up.

3. At school in ICT i work on the laptop, which has no mouse, so i bring the mighty mouse in, a few remarks from students.
Student: Thats a nice mouse
Me: yeah its a apple mighty mouse
Student: ohh its crap mac mouse with 1 button , duh you need 2 for windows it wont work.
Me: it has 4 buttons
Student: Shuddup its apple crap


2nd remark

Student: that mouse looks like my ipod
Me: yeah apple made it
Student: hahaha you use a apple


4. This was my bro, we were in apple store, he went up to the apple tech and said where can i get a imovie for windows?


5. Conversation with a friends brother
Me: new ipod released today
him: cool
me: i have a apple computer
him: grr my screen is to small (hes on pc)
me: i have a 20" screen
him: why d'you need that big? i bet its crap

Theres a few more but i cant remember



1st post :)

j26
Sep 14, 2006, 02:23 PM
...
2nd remark

Student: that mouse looks like my ipod
Me: yeah apple made it
Student: hahaha you use a apple
...

A class first post :D :D . Welcome.

p0intblank
Sep 14, 2006, 02:48 PM
More of remarks than questions.

1. When I got my mac, I was telling everyone at school that I had one, becuase no one else does, a bit showing off. After school I signed in to MSN, first conversation to come up, "Shut up you mac geek" but whats even worse, this was a good friend of mine who actually wanted a mac mini and he always spends stupid amoutns of money on ipods etc phones etc.

2. My router wasnt working with my mac, uhhh, I didnt have airport turned on :rolleyes: remember this was the first time I used a mac, phoned netgear support.

Techy: Hello Welcome to netgear support I am [name], how can I help?
Me: I just bourght a new imac and a netgear [router model] and I dont seem to be able to connect?
Techy: Can you tell me what Version of windows you are using?
Me: Its not windows, its a mac, Apple OSX 10.4.[what ever version it was]
Techy: Ohh not windows sorry our routers and cards do not support linux machines.

So I hung up.

3. At school in ICT i work on the laptop, which has no mouse, so i bring the mighty mouse in, a few remarks from students.
Student: Thats a nice mouse
Me: yeah its a apple mighty mouse
Student: ohh its crap mac mouse with 1 button , duh you need 2 for windows it wont work.
Me: it has 4 buttons
Student: Shuddup its apple crap


2nd remark

Student: that mouse looks like my ipod
Me: yeah apple made it
Student: hahaha you use a apple


4. This was my bro, we were in apple store, he went up to the apple tech and said where can i get a imovie for windows?


5. Conversation with a friends brother
Me: new ipod released today
him: cool
me: i have a apple computer
him: grr my screen is to small (hes on pc)
me: i have a 20" screen
him: why d'you need that big? i bet its crap

Theres a few more but i cant remember



1st post :)

Simply amazing... did I mention that I cannot stand ignorant people? Haha, it annoys me SO much!

Welcome to the forums! :)

Queso
Sep 14, 2006, 02:51 PM
Looks like a Matlock Apple Store is required to educate the locals :)

Welcome eyemacg5, always nice to greet another Brit.

zephead
Sep 14, 2006, 06:08 PM
I was having a conversation with my friend the other day about how he can get past the admin locks and create his own admin account on the PC's at school. So I ask him, "Windows is pretty easy to crack, isn't it?" and he says "yeah almost too easy," so I say that the school apparently isn't concerned about security since they use Windows, they should get all Macs again. Then he says "but Macs suck because of the 1 button mouse" and I say "that's like the oldest argument ever, like you can't just go buy a 2 button one?"

So then after lunch, I was talking about the lack of viruses, spy/ad/mal/crapware, and then he seemed so sure of himself that he could make a self-propagating OS X virus. I said I'd really like to see him try, and that if he did become the first person to ever do that, I'd give him 10 bucks lol.

ghall
Sep 15, 2006, 09:13 AM
"There are no good games for Mac"
"Mac's can't run Windows"
"Nobody owns a Mac"
"Macs are slow"
j

eyemacg5
Sep 15, 2006, 09:45 AM
Looks like a Matlock Apple Store is required to educate the locals :)

Welcome eyemacg5, always nice to greet another Brit.

sorry for the offtopic but just in reply to that post.

I dont use the matlock store, didnt even know there was one, i live in east derbyshire, near sheffield and use the store at meadowhall

deputy_doofy
Sep 15, 2006, 10:33 AM
Most of my friends are not Apple bashers. In fact, a few of them like Macs, but are more comfortable with Windows. However, here's a list of things that I still haven't done in 18 years of owning different Macs...
- Don't have to reinstall the OS every 2-6 months
- Don't have to run full virus and malware scans
- Don't need software running in the background attempting to thwart malware

I know one guy who was literally reinstalling his OS every 2-3 months for a little while because "it made his system run better." Go figure, THIS guy was the Mac-basher, based on his cousin's tech expertise.

Another friend of mine simply does what his Wife tells him to do, and "knows" what his wife tells him to know. Since she is an anti-Apple Windows Admin, he occasionally makes anti-Mac comments (then occasionally back-peddles his own comments). Strange. :)

deputy_doofy
Sep 15, 2006, 10:39 AM
OH, how could I forget my boss' comment one time. He saw me with my Powerbook and said to one of the other tech guys (about me), "He's one of them?"

I laughed and told him I get paid to troubleshoot computers at work. Who wants to troubleshoot at home? He responded by saying that I must not like software then (the old myth that Macs have no software).

I told him that at best, that MAY have been true back in 1995, but that his statement was not valid today. He laughed it off, but who knows what he thinks still...

Willis
Sep 15, 2006, 10:43 AM
Whatever the machine, I would say it's better to reboot every so often. A lot of processes may not have shut down properly, memory is still being used for these and you just find it feeling slower. A reboot will clean out the memory and start everything again from scratch, (only theory mind you). Logging out and in often has a similar effect.

Now I sit and wait for others to shoot down what I've just said. :)

I support your theory. I leave mine on for about a week and do a reboot as the wireless doesnt stay full, and to free up ram. works a charm.

eyemacg5
Sep 15, 2006, 10:47 AM
He responded by saying that I must not like software then (the old myth that Macs have no software).

LOL, you cannot run any software at all on a mac, actually i dont know how i am typing this to you, damnit i must stop lol.

IMHO people in general are computer illeterate, with comments like that.

Anonymous Freak
Sep 15, 2006, 01:36 PM
"Why do I need a modem to connect to the internet? My computer already has "Internet Explorer" on it!" (This was before DSL/Cable was mainstream, and before 802.11 existed at all.)

patrick0brien
Sep 15, 2006, 01:50 PM
"Wow! Apple is sure fast! Now they have Wireless and the Centrino has only been out for three months!"

Killyp
Sep 15, 2006, 03:34 PM
One of the most irritating I ever heard was from a Mac user at my school. His parents used Macs, so he has to use them at home too. Now they didn't install Word or anything on their Macs, so had no apps that would open .doc files. He bought his PC laptop into school and I asked him why he went to a PC. He said because Macs can't do Word files. Anyways, this was before I got my MacBook Pro.

Just before the end of last year I was using it next to him in English (he was on one of our school PCs) and he looked across at my screen and saw Word open. He said something along the lines of "what did you do to get Word on there?".

I mean it's sure irritating when PC users don't know anything about Macs, and when Mac users don't know anything about PCs, but Mac users not knowing anything about Macs? That's just wierd...

All was well though because the machine he was on crashed at the end of the session while he was saving his work :D :D :D :D

patrick0brien
Sep 15, 2006, 03:50 PM
Please, don't stop the great stories...

I think the underlying message here is that none of us appreciate being belittled by somebody using bad information.

SkyBell
Sep 20, 2006, 03:20 PM
You know, I'm not exactly new to the community, but ive been wondering: Bootcamp allows you to run windows, but does it allow you to run programs made only for windows? I cant think of any example right now except for one: www.xfire.com

???

patrick0brien
Sep 20, 2006, 03:50 PM
Bootcamp allows you to run windows, but does it allow you to run programs made only for windows?

-Cassie

Yes. That is what it is designed for.

rogersmj
Sep 20, 2006, 09:50 PM
You know, I'm not exactly new to the community, but ive been wondering: Bootcamp allows you to run windows, but does it allow you to run programs made only for windows? I cant think of any example right now except for one: www.xfire.com

???

I think you mean run Windows programs within OSX? No, you have to actually boot into Windows to run Windows programs.

fivetoadsloth
Sep 20, 2006, 10:39 PM
ok well a friend of mine wher sitting in class talking when the science teacher was trying to get her laptop and projector to work. so, my friend goes up to help and he tells her he'll see what he can do, but he uses a mac. and she asks what a "mac" is, and he says an apple, and she says, oh, i thought they went bankrupt a while ago, and on her desk she has an ipod nano......

luminosity
Sep 20, 2006, 11:04 PM
maybe that's the cost of megasuccess. you're so dominant that you're no longer associated with your own product, but the product becomes the brand unto itself.

monke
Sep 20, 2006, 11:31 PM
I was talking to a friend about computers today, he started saying how many viruses he had, I said I couldn't get any. Told him I had a Mac.

"Wait you have a MAC?"
"Yeah, why?"
"Woah. Those are extremely slow!"
"They used to be, now their even faster then your computer."
"So?"
"So what, they are outright better then your Windows world."
"Yah, but you can't go on the internet with them cause webpages don't work on a Mac." :D

Stoping the conversation at that? I couldn't live with it, so I reply:

"Oh, viewing webpages. Next time do your self a favour and stop surfing the web in Microsoft's Internet Explorer." :)

ATD
Sep 21, 2006, 01:30 AM
Not a dumb question, just a story. About 6 years ago I got my DSL hooked up at home. At the time they had techs come out and hook it up for you. I was very clear with them that I had a Mac, they assured me a Mac tech is what I'll get. The tech came while I was at the office, my wife let him in. He called me when he started to tell me he was on it. 2 hours later my wife called and told me he can't hook up the DSL, so I told her to get him on the phone. I asked him why and he said I needed to reformat my drive and reinstall my OS. I told him that I have not had any problems with my computer so please tell me exactly why I need to do this. He started in talking about problems with my C drive...


After laying into him big time I ended it with "there's nothing wrong with my computer, you are an idiot. Please take your hands off my computer and leave." The guy had never touched a Mac in his life, what made him think he was a Mac tech is beyond me. :eek:

Cinematographer
Sep 21, 2006, 09:54 AM
He started in talking about problems with my C drive...



:D :D best story ever! :D :D

ipedro
Sep 21, 2006, 06:32 PM
Another one
*sister unplugged USB drive without ejecting it so the device removal message comes up and she calls me down again*
Me: Didn't you eject the drive first? All you have to do is drag the icon into the trashcan. And can you just read the message and press "ok" next time?
sister: but the message popped up so I had to call you down so you could fix it.
Me: Can't you read what it says before you call me down?
sister: No, you're the computer guy so you have to fix it.


Well, to be fair, having to eject a USB key before removing it is counterintuitive. It's the one thing I don't like having to tell the people I've switched. The other is telling them that they can't log into Windows LIVE Messenger (or any of the LIVE services).

I've switched 12 people this year to Macs (most of them to Mac Mini and MacBook) and every time I have to accept the fact that having to eject a USB drive is a feature "not better" than what Windows users are used to.
Now, getting on to LIVE messenger, that's Microsofts fault. They choose to boycott Mac users (understandably).

SkyBell
Sep 22, 2006, 02:28 PM
I was talking to a friend about computers today, he started saying how many viruses he had, I said I couldn't get any. Told him I had a Mac.

"Wait you have a MAC?"
"Yeah, why?"
"Woah. Those are extremely slow!"
"They used to be, now their even faster then your computer."
"So?"
"So what, they are outright better then your Windows world."
"Yah, but you can't go on the internet with them cause webpages don't work on a Mac." :D

Stoping the conversation at that? I couldn't live with it, so I reply:

"Oh, viewing webpages. Next time do your self a favour and stop surfing the web in Microsoft's Internet Explorer." :)

I can't stop a conversation at that either. I like to argue until they realize I'm right, or they prove me wrong.

When people say "macs are slow" or "macs can't veiw the internet" I usually respond sarcasticly in agreement with them (That really pisses them off:D )

But if I don't think sarcasm is right for the situation, i just flat out tell 'em the facts, and if they still don't belive me, i show 'em my G3 iMac, which they beleive is dinosauric, and show them it can still do everything they say NEW Macs can't . Then the silence begins.:D

slu
Sep 22, 2006, 02:55 PM
Well, to be fair, having to eject a USB key before removing it is counterintuitive. It's the one thing I don't like having to tell the people I've switched. The other is telling them that they can't log into Windows LIVE Messenger (or any of the LIVE services).

I've switched 12 people this year to Macs (most of them to Mac Mini and MacBook) and every time I have to accept the fact that having to eject a USB drive is a feature "not better" than what Windows users are used to.
Now, getting on to LIVE messenger, that's Microsofts fault. They choose to boycott Mac users (understandably).

Uhhhh...you have to stop (read: eject) usb drives in Windows as well.

Actually, I think this is better in Mac OS X, since there are several ways to eject the drives, whereas in Windows, you have to double-click the system tray and then select the drive, and then click stop.

If you just pull a drive out in Windows without stopping it, you can corrupt the drive, just like in OS X.

mkrishnan
Sep 22, 2006, 03:57 PM
Uhhhh...you have to stop (read: eject) usb drives in Windows as well.

And Windows also nastygrams you when you fail to do it. :)

joshwest
Sep 22, 2006, 04:02 PM
I had a networking professor at Belmont in nashville, always would say why are you bringing that garbage in here. I was like because im open to new things maybe if you were you wouldnt be teaching networking you'd be doing it.

zephead
Sep 22, 2006, 06:08 PM
Uhhhh...you have to stop (read: eject) usb drives in Windows as well.

Actually, I think this is better in Mac OS X, since there are several ways to eject the drives, whereas in Windows, you have to double-click the system tray and then select the drive, and then click stop.

If you just pull a drive out in Windows without stopping it, you can corrupt the drive, just like in OS X.
Not that I'm defending Windows or anything, but most of that you're wrong about. I have a 512MB Cruzer mini and by default, Windows disables write caching so "you can disconnect this device without using the Safe Removal icon." And there's an easier way to eject devices, just left-click the safe removal icon once, pick which device you want to remove, and it's ejected after a few seconds. I pull out my flash drive when I'm done with it, as long as it's not exchanging data with the computer, and I've done it for 2 1/2 years and it still works like a charm, though I'd trade having to use eject on a Mac for not having to put up with Windows any day. :cool:

mduser63
Sep 23, 2006, 11:03 AM
Not that I'm defending Windows or anything, but most of that you're wrong about. I have a 512MB Cruzer mini and by default, Windows disables write caching so "you can disconnect this device without using the Safe Removal icon." And there's an easier way to eject devices, just left-click the safe removal icon once, pick which device you want to remove, and it's ejected after a few seconds. I pull out my flash drive when I'm done with it, as long as it's not exchanging data with the computer, and I've done it for 2 1/2 years and it still works like a charm, though I'd trade having to use eject on a Mac for not having to put up with Windows any day. :cool:

Hmm...everytime I've used my flash drive on a Windows machine, I've had to eject it. The times when I haven't ejected it before pulling it out, Windows has thrown up an error complaining about what I just did. Now to be fair, I've never had any data corruption from doing that either, but the same is true of times that I've pulled my flash drive out of my Mac before ejecting.

richard4339
Sep 23, 2006, 11:38 AM
Hmm...everytime I've used my flash drive on a Windows machine, I've had to eject it. The times when I haven't ejected it before pulling it out, Windows has thrown up an error complaining about what I just did. Now to be fair, I've never had any data corruption from doing that either, but the same is true of times that I've pulled my flash drive out of my Mac before ejecting.

We have people lose data at school all the time... they've disabled "Safely Remove Hardware".

ipedro
Sep 23, 2006, 08:23 PM
^^ Thanks for the clarification guys, but I also always pulled my USB keys out as long as they're not reading and not only do I not get any error message, I also don't see any corruption. The same goes for connecting a camera. I simply turn off the camera or unplug it and nothing happens, its icon simply disappears from My Computer.

It's just counter intuitive to have to "eject a camera" :confused:

I know it's a UNIX thing, but I wish there would be a way to get around it. Plug & Play items such as cameras and USB sticks should "pre-eject" themselves when not in use so that if they're pulled out nothing will happen to the data structure on them. Pre-ejecting would imply that they're still physically connected and their icon would remain available and would "re-awaken" when prompted.

mduser63
Sep 24, 2006, 12:45 AM
I know it's a UNIX thing, but I wish there would be a way to get around it. Plug & Play items such as cameras and USB sticks should "pre-eject" themselves when not in use so that if they're pulled out nothing will happen to the data structure on them. Pre-ejecting would imply that they're still physically connected and their icon would remain available and would "re-awaken" when prompted.

You mean the way an iPod works in iTunes with disk mode enabled? I agree that would be sort of nice. At least with my camera, it shows up on the desktop as a memory stick, just like a memory stick in a card reader would. I have to manually eject it. My mother's Canon on the other hand, doesn't mount on the desktop, iPhoto just recognizes it, and I don't have to eject it before removing it (that I recall anyway).

elvirav
Sep 24, 2006, 02:19 AM
A couple, sort of disjointed stories.

Years ago, some "I know how to get around computers" PC users told me some whoppers. Like one lady said that her computer ran "Windows 97." She said this with a tone of great confidence. (She was in fact running Windows 98.)

Another lady (a great Mac basher) called the Windows operating system "MSN" and seemed confused about the difference between MSN and Windows. But oh, of course—she was a great authority on all the reasons why Macs sucked!

Some computer users seem to be so confident, so self-assured, so proud of their accomplishments on the computer, and so very opinionated. But when asked the simplest questions, like "What operating system do you have?" Or, "How much RAM? What processor speed?" they can't answer. They usually start to squirm a little, but I don't feel like my questions are unreasonable, especially since they profess to be well-versed in the running of a computer.

When I got my first computer (Packard Bell, Pentium 75, 1 GB HDD, 16 MB RAM, by the way—see? I still remember! ;)) I had to know the system requirements in order to get any software. What is so difficult about this? It isn't as if I knew much else about the computer—I was a flat-out newbie. But it seems to be pretty basic information. Why do so many people (particularly those who claim some expertise in computer usage) have no clue?

Recently a friend (who is not really hostile to Macs) made the confident statement that you couldn't keep the music you bought on iTunes, that it was only "rented." I quickly corrected her on this. But I was flabbergasted—where did she get such an idea?

Shadow
Sep 24, 2006, 05:22 AM
I find it ironic that my Dad says Expose is a "superfisial" feature.

For example. We are sitting next to each other on our laptops. Mine is a MacBook and his is XP. We are both surfing the net (in Safari and IE respectivley). Then, I switch to an Excel window running in Crossover by using Expose. He does the same thing, except he has to minimize the window to access the Excel window (because XP has "helpfully grouped all his open Excel windows together). Having done that, he wants to compare some data from Excel and IE, so me maximises IE, only to minimize it, and minimize the Excel window. I, on the other hand, saved loads of time and am finished.

PCMacUser
Sep 24, 2006, 06:33 AM
I find it ironic that my Dad says Expose is a "superfisial" feature.

For example. We are sitting next to each other on our laptops. Mine is a MacBook and his is XP. We are both surfing the net (in Safari and IE respectivley). Then, I switch to an Excel window running in Crossover by using Expose. He does the same thing, except he has to minimize the window to access the Excel window (because XP has "helpfully grouped all his open Excel windows together). Having done that, he wants to compare some data from Excel and IE, so me maximises IE, only to minimize it, and minimize the Excel window. I, on the other hand, saved loads of time and am finished.
I've gotta admit that I never use Expose. It's just a feature that I don't think about being there. Instead I Command+TAB a lot. As for the XP vs OS X comparison with your dad and Excel, that 'grouping' feature can easily be switched off - I'm guessing your dad just doesn't know how to do it.

Evangelion
Sep 25, 2006, 04:59 AM
Well, with all due respect, I have seen plenty of dumb comments from Mac-users as well.

p0intblank
Sep 25, 2006, 01:39 PM
I find it ironic that my Dad says Expose is a "superfisial" feature.

For example. We are sitting next to each other on our laptops. Mine is a MacBook and his is XP. We are both surfing the net (in Safari and IE respectivley). Then, I switch to an Excel window running in Crossover by using Expose. He does the same thing, except he has to minimize the window to access the Excel window (because XP has "helpfully grouped all his open Excel windows together). Having done that, he wants to compare some data from Excel and IE, so me maximises IE, only to minimize it, and minimize the Excel window. I, on the other hand, saved loads of time and am finished.

Haha, that's awesome and a very good example of how Expose can save the user a lot of time. I use Expose probably everyday. I especially use it in Photoshop when I have a bunch of images open at once.

SkyBell
Oct 10, 2006, 02:38 PM
Well, with all due respect, I have seen plenty of dumb comments from Mac-users as well.


It's true. There are some Mac users who say the exact same things to PC users, as PC users say to us.

But those people are few and far in between.

Sdashiki
Oct 10, 2006, 02:42 PM
I've gotta admit that I never use Expose. It's just a feature that I don't think about being there. Instead I Command+TAB a lot.

if you can and do alt-tab, you were just like me.

get used to a quick flick of the wrist left or right, into the bottom corners of the screen, and BAM i got all windows or the desktop in half a second, with NO extra keys to press.

its a HUGE time saver, use it!

mgargan1
Oct 10, 2006, 03:55 PM
Well, I'll tell ya one that I said before I got a mac.

My roommate in college had an ibook with OS 9 on it (this was when 10.0 was out, and was dog awfully slow). Well, he asked if he could have a blank cd, he was out of them at the time. Well I asked him, don't you need special blank cd's?

I was thinking that cd's were like floppy disks, that they had to be formatted for macs... well, needless to say, he laughed and after my computer died on me twice and having to reformat my HD twice I got a mac.

mkrishnan
Oct 10, 2006, 04:13 PM
I was thinking that cd's were like floppy disks, that they had to be formatted for macs... well, needless to say, he laughed and after my computer died on me twice and having to reformat my HD twice I got a mac.

At least with CDRs there's only one standard. I think writeable DVD standards are legitimately confusing.

I think I see much more confusion than overt stupidity... anyway. Lots of confusion about what spyware is / can do. Lots of confusion about what cookies are used for and what vulnerabilities they have. Even the debate about whether Macs on networks with Windows computers need antivirus software I think is complex and potentially confusing.

Killyp
Oct 10, 2006, 05:13 PM
...and BAM i got all windows...


Actually it's BOOM (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=237186)

mkrishnan
Oct 10, 2006, 05:22 PM
Actually it's BOOM (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=237186)

That was great. :D

Nym
Oct 11, 2006, 09:24 AM
I guess the common arguments are:

"Mac's are only good for graphic designers!" (which is not true at all, maybe 10 years ago I would accept that but nowadays I guess it's just a matter of personal taste)

"If you have a problem with your Mac it's very hard to find someone who knows what to do to fix it" (The problem is that I never had a Mac that crashed or that had a bug that I couldn't solve myself or send back to the store for a brand new one)

"Mac's only have one mouse button" (To this argument I prefer to be silent or just say CTRL+CLICK??? And that's not even necessary with the recent Mighty Mouse)

"Mac's don't have software" (WTF? what software is the Mac missing? humm, maybe 3d modeling and animation, however, install windows via bootcamp and BOOM, problem solved)

"Mac's are slow" (Geez, they must live in other century other than me because I work a lot faster in my eMac (1.25gh G4, 512 RAM, no GPU) than I worked in my PC, which had higher specs in all fields)

"Mac's are a trend" (Maybe, to some PC geeks who buy a Mac to be "cooler", however, they work for something other than FASHION ACESSORIES you know?!! :eek: )

You know, this year I've been doing a Course in Multimedia and Graphic Design Techniques, we worked both in Mac and PC throughout the year (14 students, all unfamiliar with Mac OSX at first), and the only a$$hole who still prefers PC's to Mac's after working extensively in both systems thinks he's some kind of hacker and that real computer people prefer Windows because it's a "troubling" OS, and it's a challenge to keep it running decently, he somehow likes this "I got a problem, WHOO, let's solve it!".

I'm happy to say that in the last 3 years, I've converted more than 5 people to the Mac platform, Apple should give me a Mac Pro :( eheh

I'm gonna throw up now :)

chris200x9
Oct 11, 2006, 10:45 AM
I guess the common arguments are:

"Mac's are only good for graphic designers!" (which is not true at all, maybe 10 years ago I would accept that but nowadays I guess it's just a matter of personal taste)

"If you have a problem with your Mac it's very hard to find someone who knows what to do to fix it" (The problem is that I never had a Mac that crashed or that had a bug that I couldn't solve myself or send back to the store for a brand new one)

"Mac's only have one mouse button" (To this argument I prefer to be silent or just say CTRL+CLICK??? And that's not even necessary with the recent Mighty Mouse)

"Mac's don't have software" (WTF? what software is the Mac missing? humm, maybe 3d modeling and animation, however, install windows via bootcamp and BOOM, problem solved)

"Mac's are slow" (Geez, they must live in other century other than me because I work a lot faster in my eMac (1.25gh G4, 512 RAM, no GPU) than I worked in my PC, which had higher specs in all fields)

"Mac's are a trend" (Maybe, to some PC geeks who buy a Mac to be "cooler", however, they work for something other than FASHION ACESSORIES you know?!! :eek: )

You know, this year I've been doing a Course in Multimedia and Graphic Design Techniques, we worked both in Mac and PC throughout the year (14 students, all unfamiliar with Mac OSX at first), and the only a$$hole who still prefers PC's to Mac's after working extensively in both systems thinks he's some kind of hacker and that real computer people prefer Windows because it's a "troubling" OS, and it's a challenge to keep it running decently, he somehow likes this "I got a problem, WHOO, let's solve it!".

I'm happy to say that in the last 3 years, I've converted more than 5 people to the Mac platform, Apple should give me a Mac Pro :( eheh

I'm gonna throw up now :)


LMAO thats what my one PC frien says he's like "macs are TOO easy"

Nym
Oct 11, 2006, 05:01 PM
True... who gives birth to such mamals? :)

SkyBell
Oct 11, 2006, 05:02 PM
My dad was a mac hater too. (Until he used one.duh.) Now he thinks he wants to try one, but he says he wants to rent one before he buys it. I guess he's remembering that little thing Apple did in 1984 (Let you take a Mac home and use it for 24 hours-free of charge.) I don't think Apple does that anymore. Does anyone know if there is a rental service for Macs?

Nym
Oct 13, 2006, 08:52 AM
If there was a rental service I'd take two mac pro's with two 30" cinema display's and then run off to Peru :D

Swarmlord
Oct 13, 2006, 09:06 AM
My dad was a mac hater too. (Until he used one.duh.) Now he thinks he wants to try one, but he says he wants to rent one before he buys it. I guess he's remembering that little thing Apple did in 1984 (Let you take a Mac home and use it for 24 hours-free of charge.) I don't think Apple does that anymore. Does anyone know if there is a rental service for Macs?

With the advent of the Apple store that's no longer necessary! Have him visit the nearest store and use ALL the different Apple computers until he finds one that has the look, feel and performance that he requires.

SmurfBoxMasta
Oct 14, 2006, 01:53 AM
in summary, lets just go with Forest on this one:

Stupid is as Stupid does, and thats all I have to say about that :D

eRondeau
Oct 14, 2006, 02:28 AM
My stupidest question was when all my friends ganged-up on me and asked "Why the hell would you want to buy one of those weird things? Nobody else has a Mac." Well I may have been the first, but now most of my friends have Macs too. And the ones that don't, want one.

Sesshi
Oct 14, 2006, 04:45 AM
It's true. There are some Mac users who say the exact same things to PC users, as PC users say to us.

But those people are few and far in between.

Would practically every post in this thread count as 'few and far between?' :p

Dagless
Oct 14, 2006, 06:06 AM
Thank god I've done just design at college and university. Everyone I met had a great understanding, appreciation and love towards them.
When I started University I didn't really care for them, nor liked nor hated. A week in I decided I needed a new laptop and OSX. PowerBook! All 8 of my course eventually bought either an iBook or PowerBook before the end of the first year. Was beautiful!

Doesn't help that both lecturers and teachers at college and university ALL were raving Mac fanatics.

I find stupid questions online mostly. hold up... they're not even questions. "Macs suck" :D From the same people who criticise Windows too. Does not make sense.

Applespider
Oct 14, 2006, 06:14 AM
Macs don't suit everyone and where someone has done the research to discover that, I really don't mind if they go ahead and buy said PC if it suits them better. Let's face it, there are things that I can't do easily on my Mac but could on a PC; they're just not important enough to me for me to want to switch back.

The only ones that bug me are those who know very little about Macs or PCs and come out with stupid statements based on pre-OS X Macs or just general ignorance. And treat me like I'm an idiot for owning a Mac when I know more about the respective systems than they do.

2ndPath
Oct 14, 2006, 06:45 AM
My dad was a mac hater too. (Until he used one.duh.) Now he thinks he wants to try one, but he says he wants to rent one before he buys it. I guess he's remembering that little thing Apple did in 1984 (Let you take a Mac home and use it for 24 hours-free of charge.) I don't think Apple does that anymore. Does anyone know if there is a rental service for Macs?

If you order it on-line, can't you just return it at no charge the first two weeks after you bought it?

mgargan1
Oct 14, 2006, 07:10 AM
If you order it on-line, can't you just return it at no charge the first two weeks after you bought it?

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/salespolicies.html#Return%20Policy

If you are not satisfied with your Apple purchase of a product, please call 1-800-676-2775 for a Return Material Authorization (RMA) request within 14 calendar days of the receipt of the product. Configure-to-order, personalized or other customized product may not be returned for refund or exchange under any circumstances unless DOA. If the item is returned unopened in the original box, we will exchange it or offer you a refund based on your original method of payment. The product must be returned to the Apple warehouse within 14 calendar days of the issuance of the RMA. All products must be packed in the original, unmarked packaging including any accessories, manuals, documentation and registration that shipped with the product. A 10% open box fee will be assessed on any opened hardware or accessory. If you purchased your order using an Apple Business Lease, you may be asked to provide a major credit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover) for Apple to assess the 10% open box restocking fee.

Please note that Apple does not permit the return of or offer refunds for the following products:

1. Product that is custom configured to your specifications
2. Opened memory
3. Opened software*
4. Electronic software downloads
5. Personalized iPods
6. Software Up to Date Program Products (SW upgrades)
7. Apple Gift Cards

jwkay
Oct 14, 2006, 09:11 AM
If you order it on-line, can't you just return it at no charge the first two weeks after you bought it?

Depends what country you're in. In the Norwegian store, you can return any product providing you contact the Apple store within 14 days of receipt of product. Software where the seal has been broken can't be returned, otherwise no restrictions. There are no re-stocking fees or anything.

chris200x9
Oct 21, 2006, 10:29 PM
I think I may just have the best one ever......I was listening to music through frontrow and my friend came over while it was playinng he's never had any experience with mac and he saw it was a mac and talked to me a little about it and then it was playing music and he was like "is it playing through windows?"

-::ubermann::-
Oct 22, 2006, 12:13 AM
when i was about to buy my macbook
i call an apple reseller(apple does not distribute by itself in my country)
me:''im looking for a white macbook, whats the price"''
woman:''apple right? is it sony or hp?''

usually at college people tell me:
''you only have an ibook(i have a macbook)because its good looking''
''does your mac have usb?''
how can you write programs in it, macs are only for graphical designers''(i study engineering)
''you idiot, how can that have an intel inside, you dont know anything''

sushi
Oct 22, 2006, 12:19 AM
Macs don't suit everyone and where someone has done the research to discover that, I really don't mind if they go ahead and buy said PC if it suits them better. Let's face it, there are things that I can't do easily on my Mac but could on a PC; they're just not important enough to me for me to want to switch back.
Same here.

I try to recommend the best solution for the person concerned. Sometimes a Mac is the best solution and sometimes a PC is the best solution.

Now with the Intel Macs, there is a bit more flexibility with recommendations.

On the PC side, there are so many cool options available. Sometimes a Mac solution doesn't fit the situation.

What I really hate, is folks who are not open minded in the least and just wave off the Mac possibility.

tominated
Oct 22, 2006, 12:51 AM
what i really hate is when salespeople are dumb, and yet I get turned down for the job that they are screwing up!!! You know because i'm under 18, that means i have no idea about computers. :mad:
i feel your pain. i was about to buy my wacom tablet when a sales guy said what is that, then he took it from me until my mum came and told him i was buying it.

BTW: a good question is 'where is the any key?'

cml91
Oct 22, 2006, 10:04 PM
my friend looks at my mighty mouse.......how are you suppose to scope in CS!!???? :rolleyes: geez i hate it when people use the "one-click mouse" for a reason why macs suck but the mighty mouse showed them wrong:D

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 03:14 AM
"Mac's only have one mouse button" (To this argument I prefer to be silent or just say CTRL+CLICK??? And that's not even necessary with the recent Mighty Mouse)

The laptops do have only one mouse-button. And with the Mighty Mouse you need to lift your finger from the left button in order for right-click to work.

No, Ctrl-Click is not the same as second mouse-button. What I would like to see is a real, honest-to-god second mouse button in a Mac. Not this "push down Ctrl-Option-Tab and then click while shaking your laptop sideways"-crap. A real second mouse-button would do just fine, is it REALLY that hard? Ctrl-Click is just a crutch that you have to use in order to work around the fact that the thing only has one mouse-button. Mighty Mouse was a step in the right direction, but it too is crippled in this area.

Yes, the argument that "Macs have only one mouse-button" is a valid one, as far as laptops are concerned. yes, there are means to get to the context-menu (Ctrl-Click), but the fact remains that there is only one mouse-button, plus some workarounds (Ctrl-Click).

Chundles
Oct 23, 2006, 03:19 AM
The laptops do have only one mouse-button. And with the Mighty Mouse you need to lift your finger from the left button in order for right-click to work.

No, Ctrl-Click is not the same as second mouse-button. What I would like to see is a real, honest-to-god second mouse button in a Mac. Not this "push down Ctrl-Option-Tab and then click while shaking your laptop sideways"-crap. A real second mouse-button would do just fine, is it REALLY that hard? Ctrl-Click is just a crutch that you have to use in order to work around the fact that the thing only has one mouse-button. Mighty Mouse was a step in the right direction, but it too is crippled in this area.

Yes, the argument that "Macs have only one mouse-button" is a valid one, as far as laptops are concerned. yes, there are means to get to the context-menu (Ctrl-Click), but the fact remains that there is only one mouse-button, plus some workarounds (Ctrl-Click).

I only need the one button. Everything else can be handled by keyboard shortcuts and drag/drop.

macman2790
Oct 23, 2006, 03:19 AM
"iPod makes computers?"

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 04:57 AM
I only need the one button.

And others need more than one. What is your point?

Chundles
Oct 23, 2006, 04:59 AM
And others need more than one. What is your point?

No point, was never trying to make one. Just relaying my personal experience.

iBookG4user
Oct 23, 2006, 06:59 AM
The laptops do have only one mouse-button. And with the Mighty Mouse you need to lift your finger from the left button in order for right-click to work.

No, Ctrl-Click is not the same as second mouse-button. What I would like to see is a real, honest-to-god second mouse button in a Mac. Not this "push down Ctrl-Option-Tab and then click while shaking your laptop sideways"-crap. A real second mouse-button would do just fine, is it REALLY that hard? Ctrl-Click is just a crutch that you have to use in order to work around the fact that the thing only has one mouse-button. Mighty Mouse was a step in the right direction, but it too is crippled in this area.

Yes, the argument that "Macs have only one mouse-button" is a valid one, as far as laptops are concerned. yes, there are means to get to the context-menu (Ctrl-Click), but the fact remains that there is only one mouse-button, plus some workarounds (Ctrl-Click).
I don't need a second mouse button and don't want a second mouse button. Two-fingered click is much more convinient for me at least.

MacBoobsPro
Oct 23, 2006, 07:15 AM
I only need the one button. Everything else can be handled by keyboard shortcuts and drag/drop.

I have a Mighty Mouse set up as one button :D

Scroll ball (when pressed) activates Expose - Desktop.
Squeeze activates dashboard.
Control + click does everything else. Like it always has. To be honest though I hardly use it anyway.

The way I see it is your non-mouse hand is already on the keyboard using short-cuts and typing etc so why is it so much of a pain to control click to some people?

It bugs me so much :confused:

I do agree about the MM being a bit poo about having to lift your finger. I mailed Apple within 5 minutes of getting mine on the day it came out too. :D Boom!

2ndPath
Oct 23, 2006, 07:16 AM
The laptops do have only one mouse-button. And with the Mighty Mouse you need to lift your finger from the left button in order for right-click to work.

No, Ctrl-Click is not the same as second mouse-button. What I would like to see is a real, honest-to-god second mouse button in a Mac. Not this "push down Ctrl-Option-Tab and then click while shaking your laptop sideways"-crap. A real second mouse-button would do just fine, is it REALLY that hard? Ctrl-Click is just a crutch that you have to use in order to work around the fact that the thing only has one mouse-button. Mighty Mouse was a step in the right direction, but it too is crippled in this area.

Yes, the argument that "Macs have only one mouse-button" is a valid one, as far as laptops are concerned. yes, there are means to get to the context-menu (Ctrl-Click), but the fact remains that there is only one mouse-button, plus some workarounds (Ctrl-Click).

Don't be too hard on Apple. After claiming for 20 years that one mouse button is just the best solution for a mouse, they couldn't just introduce a simple second mouse button without losing their face. They had to think of a different solution, which I think for the laptops actually works pretty well (Two-Finger-Click). At least it's much better now than the Control-Click. But I agree, having more than one button, would make it more versatile.

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 07:22 AM
I don't need a second mouse button and don't want a second mouse button. Two-fingered click is much more convinient for me at least.

And now we have bunch of people telling how THEY don't need a second mouse-button. But the fact remains that whether you guys personally don't need more than one button, does not change the fact that the laptops ship with just one mouse-button. And it also doesn't change the fact that many people would like to have more than one mouse-button.

Any anyone claiming that using some two-fingered-Ctrl-click-thingy instead of real second mouse button, is just deluding themselves.

MacBoobsPro
Oct 23, 2006, 07:27 AM
And now we have bunch of people telling how THEY don't need a second mouse-button. But the fact remains that whether you guys personally don't need more than one button, does not change the fact that the laptops ship with just one mouse-button. And it also doesn't change the fact that many people would like to have more than one mouse-button.

Any anyone claiming that using some two-fingered-Ctrl-click-thingy instead of real second mouse button, is just deluding themselves.

Ok then. To back up my last post. On a notebook your 'mouse' hand is ALSO on the keyboard so how hard is it to poke out a finger to hit ctrl?

BTW you seem to be confusing two things here. If you are bothered about 'two-fingered-Ctrl-click-thingying' on a notebook go buy a two buttoned mouse and stop complaining about the MM that doesnt even come with a notebook.

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 07:40 AM
after working extensively in both systems thinks he's some kind of hacker and that real computer people prefer Windows because it's a "troubling" OS, and it's a challenge to keep it running decently, he somehow likes this "I got a problem, WHOO, let's solve it!".


I have a friend like this too. Great guy, a bit OCD. His XP machine runs like God is tidying the registry.

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 07:47 AM
Any anyone claiming that using some two-fingered-Ctrl-click-thingy instead of real second mouse button, is just deluding themselves.

I agreed with you until this point. The right-clicks on laptop trackpads have always struck me as a total pain in the ass. Who wants to contort their thumb that far underneath their hand to bring up a context menu? I'm sure it's fine if you navigate your laptop with two hands, but...

Two-finger right click is so much more ergonomic it's ridiculous, and took me about a day to acclimate to. Given the choice between that or a physical second button now I'd take two-finger click every time. I can't think of a single instance where the physical button would be preferable, except possibly gaming, which no one in their right mind would be doing on a trackpad anyway.

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 07:47 AM
Ok then. To back up my last post. On a notebook your 'mouse' hand is ALSO on the keyboard so how hard is it to poke out a finger to hit ctrl?

Again, all those things are just a workarounds to the fact that there is no second mouse-button on the machine. It's a lot harder to poke around at the Ctrl and then click on the mouse-button that it would be just to hit the second mouse-button. That is a fact. And is there any indication on the machine itself that hitting Ctrl gives you the context-menu? Nope.

BTW you seem to be confusing two things here. If you are bothered about 'two-fingered-Ctrl-click-thingying' on a notebook go buy a two buttoned mouse and stop complaining about the MM that doesnt even come with a notebook.

How would I go about using an external mouse when sitting in an airplane with the laptop on my lap? Some people actually use laptops while on the road, and using an external mouse on the road is a major hassle.

MacBoobsPro
Oct 23, 2006, 07:50 AM
Again, all those things are just a workarounds to the fact that there is no second mouse-button on the machine. It's a lot harder to poke around at the Ctrl and then click on the mouse-button that it would be just to hit the second mouse-button. That is a fact. And is there any indication on the machine itself that hitting Ctrl gives you the context-menu? Nope.

Thats what the manual is for.



How would I go about using an external mouse when sitting in an airplane with the laptop on my lap? Some people actually use laptops while on the road, and using an external mouse on the road is a major hassle.

So why are we talking about mice?

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 07:52 AM
I agreed with you until this point. The right-clicks on laptop trackpads have always struck me as a total pain in the ass.

How can right-clicking be a "pain in the ass", if left-clicking is not? There is no real difference between right-clicking and left-clicking. So how can it be easier to hit Ctrl with one finger, and then hit mouse-button with another finger, as opposed to just hitting the right mouse-button?

Who wants to contort their thumb that far underneath their hand to bring up a context menu? I'm sure it's fine if you navigate your laptop with two hands, but...

Well, I do have two thumbs. When I'm typing, I usually have two thumbs hovering above the mouse-button(s), so there is no difference between hitting the left-key or the right-key.

And still, the fact remains that MacBooks have only one mouse-button.

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 07:56 AM
How can right-clicking be a "pain in the ass", if left-clicking is not? There is no real difference between right-clicking and left-clicking. So how can it be easier to hit Ctrl with one finger, and then hit mouse-button with another finger, as opposed to just hitting the right mouse-button?



Well, I do have two thumbs. When I'm typing, I usually have two thumbs hovering above the mouse-button(s), so there is no difference between hitting the left-key or the right-key.

And still, the fact remains that MacBooks have only one mouse-button.

I'm not referring to CTRL-clicking, but to the feature on the newer Mac laptops where you can right click simply by having two fingers touching the trackpad and then clicking the mouse button. I use the trackpad with my middle finger, so my index is always hovering directly above the pad anyway. To right click, I simply drop my index and click the single button with my thumb. Voila. Context menus.

Right-clicking with a physical button involves me having to tuck my thumb in underneath the palm of my hand in order to actually hit the button. Left clicking is easier because the button falls directly where the natural position of the thumb is.

So, yes, MacBooks only have one mouse button, but the alternative they offer is superior.

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 08:09 AM
I'm not referring to CTRL-clicking, but to the feature on the newer Mac laptops where you can right click simply by having two fingers touching the trackpad and then clicking the mouse button.

If you are willing to go through all that trouble, why not simply have two mouse-buttons? Instead of this "place your finger here, move the other finger over here and then click", why not implement the easy and simple solution and have two, real, honest-to-god mouse-buttons? Why do we have to have these convulted schemes where you have to go through all kinds of extra steps just to right-click?

So, yes, MacBooks only have one mouse button, but the alternative they offer is superior.

The alternative they offer is a workaround to the fact that they only have a one button.

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 08:14 AM
If you are willing to go through all that trouble, why not simply have two mouse-buttons? Instead of this "place your finger here, move the other finger over here and then click", why not implement the easy and simple solution and have two, real, honest-to-god mouse-buttons? Why do we have to have these convulted schemes where you have to go through all kinds of extra steps just to right-click?



The alternative they offer is a workaround to the fact that they only have a one button.

I guess until you've used it a while you're going to be a skeptic.

It's not 'place your finger here and move your other finger here', it's 'allow two of your fingers to touch the pad rather than one, and click'. Any two. You could drop your pinky down if your geometry finds it more comfortable. I'm not sure how else to explain it, but suffice it to say it's just as quick and way more ergonomic than 'tuck your thumb underneath your hand and click at an odd angle that encourages carpal tunnel'.

Just because two mouse buttons is the norm doesn't mean it's a necessity. I have the same functionality as a Dell user, and without the digit contortion. You sound like those people who complained when Apple dropped the floppy drive from the iMac. Sure they did, but these days, who misses it?

Keep in mind that mouse-wise, I'd still take a nice Logitech over a Mighty Mouse.

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 08:35 AM
I'm not sure how else to explain it, but suffice it to say it's just as quick and way more ergonomic than 'tuck your thumb underneath your hand and click at an odd angle that encourages carpal tunnel'.

I'm not sure how you click on your mouse-buttons, but I do it with my thumbs. Left thumb for left button, right thumb for right button. Why does right-clicking induce carpal tunnel, whereas left-clicking does not? The actualy procedure is identical, only the finger is different.

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 08:40 AM
I'm not sure how you click on your mouse-buttons, but I do it with my thumbs. Left thumb for left button, right thumb for right button. Why does right-clicking induce carpal tunnel, whereas left-clicking does not? The actualy procedure is identical, only the finger is different.

Ah, there you go. See, I do all my touchpad navigation with my right hand. My left generally sits happily on the keyboard awaiting input. So, to hit a right-click button I physically have to move my thumb more or less underneath the rest of my hand and then click with the side of the thumb.

If you try doing things one-handed you might see the advantages I'm speaking of. On the other hand, using the touchpad in your fashion would be just as easy with distinct mouse buttons.

Way to defuse the discussion! :p

Swarmlord
Oct 23, 2006, 08:44 AM
I'm too used to using a two button mouse to live with a one button mouse and force myself to remember to press CNTL while I'm clicking. Granted, it wouldn't be that big a deal if all I was doing was word processing or something like that, but I play WoW on my computer and my left hand has plenty to keep it busy performing all my moving and attacking without having to find the CNTL key every time I want to loot a body.

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 09:06 AM
Ah, there you go. See, I do all my touchpad navigation with my right hand. My left generally sits happily on the keyboard awaiting input.

Well, I have BOTH my hands at the keyboard, waiting for the input. And I can mouse at the same time. And I can easily hit both mouse-buttons at the same time. So what are the "advantages" that you speak of? It seems that I would have to dedicate one hand to the mouse, and one hand to the keyboard, when instead I could just have two hands at the keyboard, and I could still mouse around easily, and use two mouse-buttons.

Where is the advantage?

So, to hit a right-click button I physically have to move my thumb more or less underneath the rest of my hand and then click with the side of the thumb.

Well, I don't.

If you try doing things one-handed you might see the advantages I'm speaking of.

Why should go one-handed, when I could use both?

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 09:11 AM
Well, I have BOTH my hands at the keyboard, waiting for the input. And I can mouse at the same time. And I can easily hit both mouse-buttons at the same time. So what are the "advantages" that you speak of? It seems that I would have to dedicate one hand to the mouse, and one hand to the keyboard, when instead I could just have two hands at the keyboard, and I could still mouse around easily, and use two mouse-buttons.

Where is the advantage?



Well, I don't.



Why should go one-handed, when I could use both?

Much of my laptop use is very casual, and the majority of it requires either keyboard alone (Quicksilver, papers and whatnot) or mousing alone (browsing the news). I don't see a particular need to have both my hands on the computer at all times. Your usage obviously dictates otherwise. For me, it's uncomfortable and unnecessary.

I think, though, we should agree to disagree, since we obviously both have our own way of interacting with the machine. Apple's solution not only works like a charm for me, but is preferable to having a distinct second mouse button. This obviously isn't the case for you. I think the point's been well-covered.

(p.s., my off the record response is 'Why would you use two hands, when you can use one?')

Evangelion
Oct 23, 2006, 09:21 AM
(p.s., my off the record response is 'Why would you use two hands, when you can use one?')

Because I type about twice as fast with two hands than I do with just one?

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 09:50 AM
Because I type about twice as fast with two hands than I do with just one?

So does most of the rest of the world.

But...two hands on my touchpad in addition to two hands on my keyboard. Why not two hands on the keyboard and one hand on the trackpad when needed?

Anyway, this is totally pointless. I'm pretty sure we've both made our points. This isn't going to go anywhere except both of us thinking the other person is a stubborn ass.

So, stupid PC user stories!

patrick0brien
Oct 23, 2006, 09:54 AM
Ok! Enough already! You're arguing opinion!

What would you do if someone made noise that Windows PC's don't have three mouse buttons like classic UNIX machines?

Let's move on...

2ndPath
Oct 23, 2006, 09:58 AM
What would you do if someone made noise that Windows PC's don't have three mouse buttons like classic UNIX machines?


Most of them already have it nowadays: The scroll wheel also works as a button, which is the same on mighty mouse. And it's great in Safari: Opens a link in a new tab.

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 10:02 AM
Most of my friends used to mock me for being a Mac zealot, but these days the ones that aren't outright interested in crossing over are, at least, well-educated about the platform. Most of the time it simply doesn't fit their needs.

Shame, but it could be worse.

I know that the Tech Manager at my work was loathe to allow me to do PCAnywhere work on my personal laptop, thinking it would be more trouble than it was worth (he'd rather I drag home one of the huge old Dell Inspiron pieces of crap they keep lying around). I booted XP (thank you MSDN) in a little window on my desktop, set up the software, tested it, closed the notebook, and went upstairs without a word. He continued messing around with his Dell.

I love sudden, peaceful coexistance.

Mac-Addict
Oct 23, 2006, 10:21 AM
I hate most of the stupid John Lewis Sales men that most likely all have PCs telling me "This iMac G5 the latest chip from intel and will run any application put infront of it including windows ones and it is also 65-bit" When I checked the "About This Mac" Page and it said it was a iMac g5. They ramble on about this and that which to anyone with any comon sence would see they are just trying to sell it because they get more commission if they sell a mac.

zephead
Oct 23, 2006, 10:26 AM
I was looking around on this site during lunch and my friend says, "Why do you love Mac computers so much? Macs suck, dude." To which I replied, "If you're gonna say something sucks, at least research it first like I did. When's the last time you used a Mac?" "uuhhh 6 or 7 years ago." :rolleyes:

gloss
Oct 23, 2006, 10:30 AM
I hate most of the stupid John Lewis Sales men that most likely all have PCs telling me "This iMac G5 the latest chip from intel and will run any application put infront of it including windows ones and it is also 65-bit" When I checked the "About This Mac" Page and it said it was a iMac g5. They ramble on about this and that which to anyone with any comon sence would see they are just trying to sell it because they get more commission if they sell a mac.

I dunno. Where I worked, people hated doing Mac sales because the store profits were so insanely slim (we would buy the machines for $1300 and have to sell them at $1400) that the commission was almost nil compared to selling PC systems.

Evangelion
Oct 24, 2006, 02:53 AM
So does most of the rest of the world.

But...two hands on my touchpad in addition to two hands on my keyboard. Why not two hands on the keyboard and one hand on the trackpad when needed?

Because I can have two hands at the keyboard while those two hands can also operate the mouse at the same time? I have no need to move my hands around, I just keep them where I would type, and while they are there, they can also operate the mouse.

PowerFullMac
Oct 24, 2006, 08:16 AM
You lot have just reminded me of a comment by a PC user once...

Some of my parents friend came around and we were talking about computers and when i said a had a mac he said "Oh i see because your only young, ok". I was so angry at that point and i felt like shouting about how crap Windows is and how Macs rule and i still dont realy know why i didnt... Oh well.

Shadow
Oct 24, 2006, 08:51 AM
So I formatted my PC, installed updates, AV, etc. I also installed Opera, put it on the desktop labelled "Opera". Next day at school, I get a phone call from my mum asking "wheres the internet gone?!". I tell her to wait until I get home, as being a tech support guy during school is really geeky (looking at you, SBT ;)). I get home, look at the screen and tell her to double click "Opera" and she says "but thats not the internet", and refuses to do so. Later, I changed the Opera icon to IEs, and renamed it to "Internet" and she was completley fine with it. :rolleyes: Don't know how she would cope with Safari :eek: !

gloss
Oct 24, 2006, 10:07 AM
Because I can have two hands at the keyboard while those two hands can also operate the mouse at the same time? I have no need to move my hands around, I just keep them where I would type, and while they are there, they can also operate the mouse.

Pretty sure I said that I'm done with this. If you absolutely need the last word, please, go ahead.

gloss
Oct 24, 2006, 10:09 AM
So I formatted my PC, installed updates, AV, etc. I also installed Opera, put it on the desktop labelled "Opera". Next day at school, I get a phone call from my mum asking "wheres the internet gone?!". I tell her to wait until I get home, as being a tech support guy during school is really geeky (looking at you, SBT ;)). I get home, look at the screen and tell her to double click "Opera" and she says "but thats not the internet", and refuses to do so. Later, I changed the Opera icon to IEs, and renamed it to "Internet" and she was completley fine with it. :rolleyes: Don't know how she would cope with Safari :eek: !

This hurts my head. Nothing against your mom.

I installed Camino on our iMac and my dad refuses to use it on the basis that it's not identical to Safari.

Shadow
Oct 24, 2006, 10:24 AM
This hurts my head. Nothing against your mom.

I installed Camino on our iMac and my dad refuses to use it on the basis that it's not identical to Safari.
Pathetic parents! Actually my Dad did a degree in IT-something but now he knows nothing. He wrote the program that Marathon Oil uses to schedule stuff-and bloody good it is too.

gloss
Oct 24, 2006, 04:01 PM
Pathetic parents! Actually my Dad did a degree in IT-something but now he knows nothing. He wrote the program that Marathon Oil uses to schedule stuff-and bloody good it is too.

Heh. My dad's just a creature of habit - he's been running Safari on his G4 TiBook since the day he got it. I, happily, had no such attachment to the program.

ddekker
Oct 24, 2006, 07:51 PM
I can't stand ignorant Windows users. They say the stupidest things sometimes and it makes me think "Why would anyone even say that?"


Where is my right mouse button? ohhhh wait thats not a stupid question, just a hard headed company that refuses to build a real mouse... everyone must buy a 3rd party mouse (and here comes the mickymouse comments.. who ever heard of lifting your left finger to right click)

D

http://www.mymomrightclicks.com

zephead
Oct 24, 2006, 08:42 PM
Quit ******** arguing over one vs. two mouse buttons. It's a matter of ******** preference. Some people prefer 2+ buttons on their mice. Others are perfectly content with one. Nobody's going to accomplish anything by saying "I have 2 REAL mouse buttons, I'm holier than thou", "You need to lift your finger to right-click, so the MM should be thrown to hell", "WTF is this ctrl-click crap?!" "I have to contort my body to make a right click?!?" "OMG I have to lift ANOTHER ******** FINGER because Apple can't make a real 2 button mouse!!!!!! *bitchcomplainwhineomg*" Honestly, do you need some more pillows so you can't feel the pea under the all the pillows you already have, princess?

gloss
Oct 24, 2006, 10:57 PM
Dead Horse: "Please stop beating me."

Cameront9
Oct 24, 2006, 11:28 PM
who ever heard of lifting your left finger to right click)

D

http://www.mymomrightclicks.com

I don't mean to contribute to this dead horse, but I have to comment on this one. When the mighty mouse first came out and people mentioned this, I payed close attention to my mousing habits and realized that I have always lifted my index finger slightly off the button to right click. I would imagine that many other users have, too.

CrackedButter
Oct 25, 2006, 07:53 AM
So I formatted my PC, installed updates, AV, etc. I also installed Opera, put it on the desktop labelled "Opera". Next day at school, I get a phone call from my mum asking "wheres the internet gone?!". I tell her to wait until I get home, as being a tech support guy during school is really geeky (looking at you, SBT ;)). I get home, look at the screen and tell her to double click "Opera" and she says "but thats not the internet", and refuses to do so. Later, I changed the Opera icon to IEs, and renamed it to "Internet" and she was completley fine with it. :rolleyes: Don't know how she would cope with Safari :eek: !

Why didn't you explain to your mum what Opera was?

Chundles
Oct 25, 2006, 07:57 AM
Why didn't you explain to your mum what Opera was?

Trust me, I know people similar to that guy's Mum. You could explain until you were blue in the face about what Opera was but it wouldn't matter one iota. To them, the internet is the big blue "E" and nothing else will suffice.

Sesshi
Oct 25, 2006, 08:25 AM
Quit ******** arguing over one vs. two mouse buttons. It's a matter of ******** preference. Some people prefer 2+ buttons on their mice. Others are perfectly content with one. Nobody's going to accomplish anything by saying "I have 2 REAL mouse buttons, I'm holier than thou", "You need to lift your finger to right-click, so the MM should be thrown to hell", "WTF is this ctrl-click crap?!" "I have to contort my body to make a right click?!?" "OMG I have to lift ANOTHER ******** FINGER because Apple can't make a real 2 button mouse!!!!!! *bitchcomplainwhineomg*" Honestly, do you need some more pillows so you can't feel the pea under the all the pillows you already have, princess?

The current obstinacy in preserving the purity of design in preference to superior functionality though is one of the fundamental tenets behind the inferiority of the Mac Experience in some cases. It's all swings and roundabouts to me as far as the OS is concerned - you can get a lot more done in some applications, yet in others it can hamper you. Same as Windows but in a different way.

ghall
Oct 25, 2006, 10:55 AM
I installed Camino on our iMac and my dad refuses to use it on the basis that it's not identical to Safari.

I have the same problem as your dad. I just like the way Safari looks.

oyam5000
Oct 25, 2006, 11:16 AM
the guy who thought that iPod and Apple were 2 seprate companies

Seasought
Oct 25, 2006, 04:48 PM
Not that she has the slightest clue what she's talking about...

Managers are like that. :D

jessep28
Oct 25, 2006, 05:14 PM
We have always been a PC family until I bought my iMac last month. I always get a Mac's suck every now and again from my sister and brother. Mother (a computer programmer) ranted about how she doesn't think they are as good as some say they are.

My sister calls it the iTrash and is still content with her 5 year old, spyware infested, slow POS Dell she has. Stupid Windows users :).

I just laugh at them. Im sure the last time they used a mac was back when our schools used the old Apple IIe's so their preception is skewed as to how far macs have come these days.

SkyBell
Oct 25, 2006, 06:35 PM
Im sure the last time they used a mac was back when our schools used the old Apple IIe's so their preception is skewed as to how far macs have come these days.

And even then, they kicked ass. :)

Using my iMac G3 the other night, with a friend over.
Unbelivible quote from her : "Macs have color screens?"

Aperture
Oct 25, 2006, 06:40 PM
"I'm used to the way my homepage looks now"
"What good is a Mac if I can't check my email online?"


:rolleyes:

jessep28
Oct 26, 2006, 02:42 AM
"Mac's suck becuase nothing's compatible"

Yeah...maybe viruses, but most mainstream things work on Macs these days.

I just spent the better part of 4 hours into the wee hours of the morning building Excel spreadsheets for auditing. No major problems with file formats, using the program versus the PC version...idiot windows users.

PowerFullMac
Oct 26, 2006, 04:17 AM
"Im in the iPod shop"

Someone said that in the Bluewater Apple Store while they were on the phone...

killmoms
Oct 26, 2006, 04:27 AM
And even then, they kicked ass. :)

Using my iMac G3 the other night, with a friend over.
Unbelivible quote from her : "Macs have color screens?"
LOL. Wow. "No, Apple pretty much stopped all development in 1984 and have been selling the original Macintosh since. It's retro! This computer is just a hallucination of yours. ...Did you stop taking your meds?"

Chacala_Nayarit
Oct 26, 2006, 11:27 AM
At my College a number of the teachers ask "Do people still use Macs?"

Where do you go to school? Sounds like a community college or rape-you-for-tuition-get-your-four-year-degree-in-only-one-year "tech" school. :)

SkyBell
Oct 26, 2006, 05:17 PM
Found this review on the MagSafe airline power adapter.

"If it doesnt charge the battery , and it doesnt work for 12VDC outlets , what good is it .
I bought a Macbook , after my windows sytem died ( 10 years of service from a USED Dell laptop over clocked and running XP)
I thought I was making a good transition based on all that I have heard about Mac.
All I have had is trouble, service sucked , Hard drive replacement a total ripoff, Mac store insists you use their drive and charge THREE times what an standard Serial ATA costs, I will admit that the Mac drive is probably Quieter but THREE TIMES THE COST????????? example : Serial ATA 7200 rpm from Yodobashi camera 120 GB was just over 20,000 ¥ , The Mac drive from a Mac store 120 gb almost 50,000 ¥
Mac you need to get your act together if you want to get Windows based customers to cross over to a Mac platform , Just my opinion"


In case you didn't get it, the person refered to Apple as "Mac". :)

patrick0brien
Oct 26, 2006, 05:31 PM
Found this review on the MagSafe airline power adapter.

-Cassie

Classic example of ignorance.

He was probably right on the cost to upgrade at an Apple store, but then, he could have done it himself.

Research.

ricksbrain
Oct 26, 2006, 06:25 PM
Such a great thread until the button brigade let loose.

SkyBell
Oct 26, 2006, 06:42 PM
Such a great thread until the button brigade let loose.

And what are you implying by this?

psychofreak
Oct 26, 2006, 07:12 PM
No offense, but most of you guys suck; I got a macbook (after wanting an ibook g3, then g4, then wanting an intelibook months before it was released). All I got all day for ages was 'macs suck'. The next computer every single person in my family got was a mac (brother and sister got macbooks. Dad got macbook pro. Mum got mac mini. Grandad got an iMac). I think that the reason apple is fairing pathetically compared to microsoft is that people are too busy complaining about windows than to convert their mostly ignorant users. I am only 15 by the way; this is the reason that my dad would not buy me a computer from the iPod company, as my opinion is apparently not as valid as someone older. He is regretting his decision of spending the five years before his macbook pro, struggling with breaking windows computers.

I retract my no offense comment.

mduser63
Oct 26, 2006, 09:10 PM
No offense, but most of you guys suck;

<snip>

I retract my no offense comment.

I can tell you're 15 :rolleyes:. <-Probably the first time I've used that smiley, but it's appropriate here.

ricksbrain
Oct 27, 2006, 08:41 AM
Don't know why my post showed up here-- should have been about 2-3 pages back, sorry...

Shadow
Oct 27, 2006, 09:58 AM
Trust me, I know people similar to that guy's Mum. You could explain until you were blue in the face about what Opera was but it wouldn't matter one iota. To them, the internet is the big blue "E" and nothing else will suffice.
Yup. Update though: she now can use Opera without changing the icon! Success!

0010101
Oct 27, 2006, 02:06 PM
Over the years, i've heard some pretty ignorant things said about Macs.

Me: I think that new Mac looks pretty nice!
Them: Macs suck!
Me: Why do they suck?
Them: I don't know.. they just suck!

Things got a little better when the iMac first came out. Apparently stuffing something in a neat case makes it somehow 'better'.

But i'll tell ya.. for years and years, if you had a Mac and wanted to buy software, you were SOL in a lot of places. Even today, places like Best Buy, Babbages, Wal-Mart.. when you go to their software sections you see rows and rows of 'PC' software, and little, if any, software for the Mac.

A friend of mine bought a Mac from a garage sale a few years ago, and called me one afternoon to ask, "How the %@*# do you get the CD out of this thing?! There isn't an eject button!!"

I'd had that question asked of me a few years earlier when a buddy of mine was using one of my PowerBooks.. he'd put a floppy in and couldn't wrap his brain around the fact that there wasn't an 'eject' button.

"Drag the floppy icon to the trash can", I said.

A few moments pass.

"HEY!", he said like he'd just discovered lost treasure, "That's freakin' cool!!"

More recently, my little brother, who is a PC man for the same reason most 20 year olds are PC men (better game support) was using my G4 tower for something involving a CD.. I came home a few hours later, and he was gone.. and his CD still in the drive.

"That stupid thing ate my CD!", he said when he came in later that evening, "I kept pushing the eject button, but the damn thing wouldn't open!"

"Check this out.", I said as I drug the CD icon to the trash and the CD drive opened.

"Well that's stupid!", he said taking his disc.

Yea.. he's right. Not a very 'intuitive' design to put an eject button on something that only works for putting something IN and not taking it OUT.

By and large, the biggest complaint I hear regarding Macs is the lack of a 'right click' button.

Yes, I know two mouse buttons can be quite confusing to people who aren't at all familure with a mouse.. but this isn't 1995.. most folks can handle two buttons without much difficulty. Why Apple continues to try and make 'idiot proof' mice is beyond me.. especially considering that awful, awful 'hockey puck' mouse they introduced with the first iMac.

I suspect that some Apple 'bean counter' has determined that they've saved a boatload in production costs over the last decade by making only single button mice.

And they're probably right. .10 multiplied by how many millions of computers shipped in the last 10 years?

But the absolute #1 question I hear from folks who see my Mac is, "How do I get that on my computer?"

Then I have to tell them they cant. They'd have to buy a whole new computer. Then it still wouldn't run a dozen or so programs, and thousands less games.. unless they buy a $200 copy of windows, and set it up to dual boot.

That's where you loose them.

menziep
Oct 27, 2006, 02:42 PM
"Where is the Any Key" :)

patrick0brien
Oct 27, 2006, 02:46 PM
-0010101

Well summed.

As you can see by a few pages ago, the one-button mouse issue is alive and well. Myself, I'd prefer the powerbooks had a two-button, but hey, I'm willing to look past it for the other goodies I get with a mac.

dsnort
Oct 27, 2006, 02:54 PM
"Maybe it's your computer". My bosses favorite comment anytime i have an issue with the network, ( it has never, ever, turned out to be my Mac's fault). I don't know why he feels the need to do this, it's not like i've tried to proselytize him, I just say I prefer MacOSX, but he seems to take it as a pesonal affront.

But it all comes full circle, if your patient. His brand new Thinkpad got a browser hijacker, and he can't seem to get rid of it. I told him, "Maybe it's your computer"!

zephead
Oct 28, 2006, 01:24 AM
Me: I think that new Mac looks pretty nice!
Them: Macs suck!
Me: Why do they suck?
Them: I don't know.. they just suck!
Exactly what one of my friends said. I told him to research something before he says it sucks, but he said he doesn't want to. Anybody else see anything wrong with that logic, or is it just me? :confused: :p

CrackedButter
Oct 28, 2006, 03:00 AM
No offense, but most of you guys suck; I got a macbook (after wanting an ibook g3, then g4, then wanting an intelibook months before it was released). All I got all day for ages was 'macs suck'. The next computer every single person in my family got was a mac (brother and sister got macbooks. Dad got macbook pro. Mum got mac mini. Grandad got an iMac). I think that the reason apple is fairing pathetically compared to microsoft is that people are too busy complaining about windows than to convert their mostly ignorant users. I am only 15 by the way; this is the reason that my dad would not buy me a computer from the iPod company, as my opinion is apparently not as valid as someone older. He is regretting his decision of spending the five years before his macbook pro, struggling with breaking windows computers.

I retract my no offense comment.

Apple is fairing pathetically? Young blood hey? Born in 1991-2? Go read, go educate yourself, learn the history, come back with an informed opinion, plus you'll be a little older ;).

Exactly what one of my friends said. I told him to research something before he says it sucks, but he said he doesn't want to. Anybody else see anything wrong with that logic, or is it just me? :confused: :p

Nope, seems perfectly fine to me... when something is to hard or requires effort most people give up. Not everybody has the will of Lance Armstrong!

(Thanks HexMonkey)

jessep28
Oct 28, 2006, 12:56 PM
Yes, I know two mouse buttons can be quite confusing to people who aren't at all familure with a mouse.. but this isn't 1995.. most folks can handle two buttons without much difficulty. Why Apple continues to try and make 'idiot proof' mice is beyond me.. especially considering that awful, awful 'hockey puck' mouse they introduced with the first iMac.

I am coming from the PC world and the two mouse button issue isn't a big deal to me. But of course the first thing I did with the mighty mouse once I figured out it had pressure sensitive sides was set up the secondary function on the right side.

So, now I have two buttons on a one button mouse...pretty cool! :)

jessep28
Oct 28, 2006, 02:08 PM
This dialogue just happened between my ignorant PC using brother and myself:

Brother: Do you know where any of the Windows install CD's are?
Me: No. Why do you need them?
Brother: I need to reformat my computer.
Me: Why?
Brother: Mines having a lot of registry problems.
Me: You should go by a Mac, Mac OS X doesn't experience registry problems because they don't have a registry
Brother: Shut up, Mac's suck!
Me: You can put your precious Windows on them if you want.
Brother: If you don't shut up, I will pawn your computer.

When will they ever learn :D

patrick0brien
Oct 28, 2006, 02:50 PM
Brother: Shut up, Mac's suck!

My, he's insecure isn't he?

pengu
Oct 28, 2006, 03:38 PM
I used to do Support/Admin (ie: system/network admin, not office admin :p ) for a Novell/Windows network (about 50 sites in all, thousands of PCs, about 25000 student accounts)

anywho. i STILL find it hilarious when people (normally one guy in particular) tries to tell me that my mac isnt compatible with xyz device, or how intel macs have the same driver issues (incompatibilities cus of hotch-potch "bitsa" machines) as windows boxes..

best one recently was the ************* drivers for windows for simple devices. why does it have to re-install the same generic usb mass storage driver for every different device on every different bus? (and if you use a Limited user account, as is suggested, you can't install the drivers for the flash drive). this of course delays the use of the device.

"oh but macs must do the same".

he also seems to have a hard-on for dodgy white-box machines, and refers to IBM, HP, etc (and bundles apple in with them) as "proprietary ***** that can't be upgraded without going through premium factory dealers".

im still not sure exactly what he was referring to..

tech4all
Oct 28, 2006, 05:26 PM
This dialogue just happened between my ignorant PC using brother and myself:

Brother: Do you know where any of the Windows install CD's are?
Me: No. Why do you need them?
Brother: I need to reformat my computer.
Me: Why?
Brother: Mines having a lot of registry problems.
Me: You should go by a Mac, Mac OS X doesn't experience registry problems because they don't have a registry
Brother: Shut up, Mac's suck!
Me: You can put your precious Windows on them if you want.
Brother: If you don't shut up, I will pawn your computer.

When will they ever learn :D

That's really being hypocritical there. He say's he's having problems with his PC's registry which, IMO, would be reason for PC's to "suck". Yet he say's Macs suck without giving any reason like you did. :confused: ;)

I think what he meant to say after you told him to get a Mac was: "Shut up, I know PC's suck!" ;)

imacintel
Oct 28, 2006, 08:07 PM
You know what be cool? If iPod made a Nano for dogs.



Dumb****s.