Apple B.S.......!

[rEd Eye]

Do you have faith that apple never stretches the truth at all???You know,like"ahem!"four usb ports,one of which gets used up in order to plug in the keyboard which sports two of them=three usable usb ports,unless you are ok using your computer without a keyboard,in which case you only get two usb ports.=B.S.
Dual monitor support?Sure,if you happen to have an "Apple" monitor and a VGA monitor,which is completely lame=more B.S.
80GB hard drive?Howabout 74.53GB "capacity"=+B.S.
So now I am supposed to believe that my two chips run at exactly 1000mhz?,or that the bus speed actually makes it to a whopping 133mhz?
Or that they even bothered gluing on the dummy 2meg ddram level three cache chips?
I'm sure that if you think about it you can find even more evidence that Apple B.S.'s in their marketing strategies and product info statements.
Anyone else see any Apple B.S.?
Doesn't it bug you?

[mymemory]

Do you have faith that apple never stretches the truth at all???
-Not really, that is why we should be comunicating to show them we there are smart buyers in the street.

You know,like"ahem!"four usb ports,one of which gets used up in order to plug in the keyboard which sports two of them=three usable usb ports,unless you are ok using your computer without a keyboard,in which case you only get two usb ports.=B.S.
-Not exactly B.S. it have allways been like that some how. The Power PC 9600 had 6 PCI slots and one of them was for the video card, even there was room in the internal chasis for the video card, so you got 5 PCI slots, that is B.S.

Dual monitor support?Sure,if you happen to have an "Apple" monitor and a VGA monitor,which is completely lame=more B.S.
-Tht is not the problem I see there, what I see is that I think you can do only video mirroing with them, I mean, not 2 independent video image, as far as I know.


80GB hard drive?Howabout 74.53GB "capacity"=+B.S.
-There you are completelly wrong, I have allways been like that. A portion of the hard drive (eather PC or Mac) holds the information of the formating and the file structure in the disc, you will always are gonna loose part of the disc after formating.

So now I am supposed to believe that my two chips run at exactly 1000mhz?,or that the bus speed actually makes it to a whopping 133mhz?
Or that they even bothered gluing on the dummy 2meg ddram level three cache chips?
-You may tell the speed specially if you do a render with After Effects or something like that, for some others funtions is gonna be a bit faster than usual.

I'm sure that if you think about it you can find even more evidence that Apple B.S.'s in their marketing strategies and product info statements.
_Yep, they usually do that.

Anyone else see any Apple B.S.?
-Yep, a lot, for example, why the las generation G3 powerbook (The Pismo) was 100Mhz system bus and the new generation powerbook (sorry, I mean iBook) still back to 66Mhz? if the technology is going foward whe still behind?

Let me tell you that is just merchandising technique, the only way to get around that if to be a "smart buyer", usually (in Apple) the last generation of any line is the best, do never get a first generation computer, they hardly survive the evolution.

[Backtothemac]

Um, to answer your question. NO! Lets go one at a time here ok.
RedEye
1) USB Ports. Since you talk about four, I assume that you are talking about the new iMac. Lets see three on the base and two on the keyboard. You plug in the keyboard, and that leaves three. Plug in the mouse, and that leaves two. Apple doesn't say four ports after you plug in your mouse and keyboard, they just say four ports.

2) Monitors. Why would you want to have anything other than two Apple monitors. They are the best by far.

3) Hard Drive size. Every computer in the world uses hard drives that are sized based on unformatted specs. Go buy a 40 GB, format it, and stick it in your PC and you will only have about 37 - 38 GB of space. Don't blame Apple for this, it is the drive makers fault.

4) Processor speed, bus, cache. I would trust Apple a company that talks real performance before I would trust a company that talks about numbers that mean nothing.

RedEye, if you don't like Apple, go buy a Dell, and then lets talk about happiness.

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MyMemory
Dude, what are you smoking? Lets go one at a time here.
1) Dual monitor support in the PowerMac line is dual monitor, as in two desktops not mirroring. Same with the PowerBook. The iMac and iBook mirror and the professional machines allow for two desktops.

2) PowerBook bus. Here you really loose me. Your pismo was a 100 MHZ bus, and the new PowerBook is a 66? What the Fu*k! Dude the low end PowerBook is 100MHZ and the high end 667 is a 133MHZ. The 500 MHZ iBook is 66 MHZ and the 600 MHZ iBook is 100 MHZ.

Don't know if this was error on your part, but if you don't know the facts either check them out or ask.

[Taft]

Your USB and harddrive examples are as lame as they come.

USB is expandable through hubs, and most Apple keyboards come with a couple of USB ports on them. So you can plug a keyboard into one of the four ports on the back, plug your mouse into one of the ports on your keyboard, and still have an open port on the keyboard. That leaves: 3 on the back + 1 on the keyboard = 4.

Every computer in the world advertises the original size of the hard drive PRE-formatting. I don't know what world you've been living in, but every filesystem I know of needs space to define directory structures and file locations/identifiers. Maybe its magical new MS filesystem that requires no diskspace overhead. I think you should call Apple, Dell, Compaq, etc. and alert them to this grievous error. Ha!

Displays I can identify with your frustration, but the problem is not insurmountable. Every company needs marketing stretches and Apple (being the underdog) probably needs more than other computer makers. Fortunately their technology reduces their need for exaggeration. You, my friend, need to check with reality.

Matthew

[TEG]

I understand some of your Complaints, but to call them B.S. is a little drastic.

4 USB Ports-
True, The iMac has 2 USB controllers, with three external Ports, and one internal (Which has the Modem Attached). But when you hook the keyboard one of the remaining three, you have 4 USB Ports Available (Imagine That! :D )
Less HD Space -
Personally I have hated this ever since buying 1MB disks for my old 386 formating them and finding out that it is actually 720KB. Disk and Drive Manufactures Devide the Bite Totals by 1000 rather than 1024 and gives us the totals in and incorrect number of GB available.
Monitors-
All of Apples Pro lines (Powerbook/Power Mac) automatically have independent monitor connections so you don't have video mirroriing (Heck, my PBG4 can have 3 Screens attached and each can show a different pard of the Desktop or all the same :D )
Only the "i" series has only video mirroring available.

Another B.S. We can Straighten Out??

TEG
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[AlphaTech]

Hard drive makers list the size as being 1000MB=1GB which is not the same as what the computers see (1024MB=1GB). THAT is where you loose most of the size, not through the formatting.

As for the speed of the chips... 99% of the time when I check a processor (through a third party utility) it is either what Apple says it is, or within 1MHz of that. That is a h*ll of a lot better then what intel does. You get a 900MHz P(n) and you probably will have something like 888 or such.

For monitors... There are adapters so that you can use a fresh off the lot Mac with any monitor you want. If you have two non-Apple monitors, then get the ADC to DVI adapter and then a DVI to VGA adapter, although I seem to remember there being a single ADC to VGA adapter somewhere out there. The second monitor can plug directly into the video card.

[rEd Eye]

Just to clarify,I am refering to the new G4.(four usb ports?,Dual monitor support?,two chips run at exactly 1000mhz? etc.)(youbuncha-imaconlyheads!)
The Apple product info pages clearly state that the G4 towers come equiped with four usb ports!(no hub included,mrtrumbe!)

As far as Hard drive space is concerned,74.53 gigabytes is 5.47gb less than 80gb(that's a lot of space missing!) ,so why not manufacture the drives oversize in order to actually deliver the advertised 80gb to the consumer?

"quote"
"2) Monitors. Why would you want to have anything other than two Apple monitors. They are the best by far."
sure,Backtothemac,If you're made of money,and also never want to play games.smeeeeaar......
I had to purchace a second video card with my G4 that came equiped with a "oooooooh!"Geforce 4MX,that was lacking any usable dual monitor support,in order to be able to use my existing VGA monitors.....annoying!
!
Seems like,for $5,000 Can.,I should be getting exactly what is advertised and then another+15%!!!!!,not-15%,which is the reality!

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by rEd Eye
Just to clarify,I am refering to the new G4.(four usb ports?,Dual monitor support?,two chips run at exactly 1000mhz? etc.)(youbuncha-imaconlyheads!)
The Apple product info pages clearly state that the G4 towers come equiped with four usb ports!(no hub included,mrtrumbe!)

As far as Hard drive space is concerned,74.53 gigabytes is 5.47gb less than 80gb(that's a lot of space missing!) ,so why not manufacture the drives oversize in order to actually deliver the advertised 80gb to the consumer?


Listen up ya mook.... If you counted the total ports on the system, or bothered to read what Apple puts on their web site, they state two on the computer and two on the keyboard totalling FOUR.

As for hard drive sizes... If you went to your computer's Apple System Profiler, selected 'Devices and Volumes' then toggled the arrow for your hard drive (the first one) you will see the size is most likely larger then 80GB. I just did it on mine, and the size lists as (and I am typing this exactly as it has it)...
Size: 61.48 GB (1K=1000)
Capacity: 57.26 GB (1K=1024)

Apple is NOT lying, nor are the drive makers. The drive makers use Gigglebites where the computer uses Gigabytes. Both can use the GB for abreviations.

And under 5.5GB 'missing' on an 80GB drive is not a hell of a lot of space... About 6% give or take a percent.

As far as I have seen, you are the only person to whine about a mere 6% of drive space that you will probably never miss. If you are that hard up for storage, get another drive and put it in on top of the 80GB. Just stop complaining about something that should be a non-issue.

[alex_ant]

My favorite piece of Apple BS: 5-hour battery life in the TiBook. Sure, if you're running OS 9, have the display as dim as it can go, have the hard disk spun down, don't have a CD in the drive, and are leaving the machine idle...

Okay, so they do say "up to" 5 hours, but in my experience, in OS X, even 4 is stretching it.

Most companies do this, and hopefully most customers are intelligent enough to anticipate it, but it does get annoying constantly hearing about the G4s being supercomputer-class and whatnot.

Alex

[Backtothemac]

I have to say I am sorry to everyone here for how elementary this will be.

1) Let's see two on the computer and two on the keyboard = 4
2) Last time I checked Apple doesn't make Hard Drives. (side note: my 80 GB IBM in my Athlon 1400 says 74.53 avail).
3) If you want dual monitors get the card that supports it.
4) IF YOU DON'T LIKE APPLE, DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!

It is so crazy to bitc# about something that you, yes you, as a consumer has control over. That is the beautiful thing about an open marketplace. Sell your G4, I am sure there are plenty of people who would love to have that beast of a machine. If you doubt the product, then don't friggin buy it. No company is perfect, no computer is perfect, but like I said in my first post, go buy a PC and deal with Dell or Gateway, and then we will talk.

[Quark]

Thanks for eventually coming out and saying what system you are talking about.

If you put that in your original posting, it would have made a little more sense.

:rolleyes:

[rEd Eye]

Quark,I did refer to a lot of specs that the imac does not have......anyways..~
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Quote,Backtothemacsaid:
"I have to say I am sorry to everyone here for how elementary this will be.

1) Let's see two on the computer and two on the keyboard = 4 "

Minus one on the computer to plug in the the two on the keyboard!
Don't you get it?The G4 tower only has two usb ports,however you gain an extra one by plugging in your keyboard,which equals three usable usb ports.
Apple advertises four!
This is misleading information for(eg.) a consumer whom owns four usb peripherals,and is buing the G4 tower so that they can plug them all in.
Marketing is all about glamorizing the product,and what I am saying is that Apple is no better than the rest of them,in this rat race for the product spotlight.
We are all suckers for the BS!

(see under heading:POWERFUL NEW FEATURES AND OPTIONS)
rhttp://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/73/wo/S9JDY1RgtySesugPYZ/0.3.0.3.30.31.0.1.3.1.3.1.1.0?122,66

[krossfyter]

What about the pipeline issue with a mac? ... is that b.s.?


by the way alpha tech...cool avatar!! Congrats on finnaly achieving that level!

[kishba]

what's the freakin point of arguing about usb ports? i bought my g4 so i could make videos, do normal computer stuff and learn about the mac

i'm happy. if you aren't go buy some Piece of Crap

[bradbomb]

I believe Apple was referring to 4 USB ports when used with an Apple Display. When an Apple LCD Display is plugged in via and ADC connection, it has two USB ports on the back of it that dont have a cord running to take up one of the ports on the back of the computer. When you plug in the keyboard in the monitor, without a mouse there are now 5 USB PORTS!!!!. With the mouse its back to 4. Added to that, if you are plugging in more than 2 USB devices, you should already own a hub cause they are cheap and very useful, I've had one since I put a USB card in my Power Tower Pro back in 99. Now with my Dual 800, I still use the same hub. Also, if you have a new G4, all cards that come with it support dual displays. You can connect a VGA display to any one of the cards, and if you get an adapter, plug another VGA display to the ADC port since it carries analog or digital video. About Hard Disk space, everyone else said what I was, that's how Hard Disk sizes have been reported ALWAYS. The computer manufactorer is not responsible for how a HD manufactorer labels their drives, plus its the standard way of reporting size cause in reality that is the amount of space on it. When anything is formatted, space is used to store the file directory catalog and all that useful stuff, any system has that. I'm happy with my Dual 800 as people are happy with their Dual 1 GHz. Oh, speaking of speed, the 133 MHz system bus doesnt mean the processor runs at that, the processor runs at a multiplier of that system bus speed, and yes they are actual 1 GHz, not some ************ that Sonnet pulled with their 500 MHz G3 upgrades being rated at only 466 MHz. Anyways, you should do more research before you invest in a computer, so then you can avoid a. looking like an idiot when you bitch about what you bought and b. dont buy something you dont want because you didnt know what it had or didnt.

[krossfyter]

uhhhh *cough*pipeline *cough*

[AlphaTech]

Thanks krossfyter, it is just something I wipped together before leaving work tonight. It's about how I felt after working on a pc for a few hours (installing a new os and such for a user who returns tomorrow).

I am searching for something better, but haven't looked too much yet.

[rEd Eye]

" Anyways, you should do more research before you invest in a computer, so then you can avoid a. looking like an idiot when you bitch about what you bought and b. dont buy something you dont want because you didnt know what it had or didnt."

Hmmmmm...I don't feel like an idiot,and I know exactly what I'm buying.I think Apple is a complete rip-off,but I'm addicted to the software that I cannot run under windoze.
However,according to my benchmarks,My ?ASUS/AMD 1333mhz system is still 30% faster,in the situations that pertain to me, than my G4,running on a 1ghz chip in OS9.
Audio rendering is faster,game frame rates are still better on the PC.Boot-up is way faster,everything is snappier etc etc..and it only cost a $1,000 can.,rather than $5,000 can. for the G4 system.
Damn software,cause I would otherwise happily leave this overpriced proprietory mac scene behind otherwise.
My bitch is that Apple still cuts little corners and charges too much for the little things,makes such a big deal out of things that aren't so big and charges 3-4X more for the disposable,non recyclable and non optional package that Really doesn't have much more going for it in comparison to other products,except that it looks pretty and doesn't take as long to learn(OS9,not OSX,cause this OS is definately not "child"friendly!)!

SUCKER!(me too lol)

[bradbomb]

just curious, how does a new G4 Dual 1 GHz cost $5000. I looked at both Apple and at Macmall.com and the high-end stock of this machince is $2999 which includes a lot

GeForce 4MX
512 Mb ram
80 GB HD
Superdrive.

What are you adding to it to upped the cost to $5000. More ram you obviously do not buy direct, you goto OWC. no real need for a new video card, but thats only at most $300. Now if you're going into professional gear like for pro tools or avid, etc. That gear costs the same for either PC or mac, and will add you up to a lot more than $5000. Obviously you're not buying a monitor cause you only want to use your current VGA monitors. Only thing left to add up your cost is to get a SCSI array, again only needed if you're doing Video other than DV, like working at D1 NTSC with Real Time, or a very high end pro tools or other Audio System with needs to play 32 tracks simultaniously.

[AlphaTech]

rEd Eye, you ARE bitchin and moaning over things that you will see NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF COMPUTER YOU GET.... did I say that loud enough to get through that protruding brow of yours????

If you are so unhappy with the Mac, then keep your stinkin peecee and leave.

As for over priced... get back to use in say four or five years when you have had to rip the guts out of that peecee just to enable you to run something close to current for an OS.

Do you think we even care what you claim about your peecee for benchmarks??? We don't. I use my Mac for 99% of what I do. Everything from scanning in images (either prints or negatives) to going online. Any real work is done on the Mac since it does it about 200x easier and better then the peecee. The ONLY thing I have a peecee for (I built the things so I know EXACTLY what is inside it, unlike the factory peecee boxes) is games. I might have powered it up three times in the past month and a half, if that. I use the Mac daily.

If all you care about is what it cost you, then go and get what you can afford, but remember... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!.

Prime example, my neighbor has a PowerPC system (7100/66) that he still uses. I am upgrading SOME of his hardware so that he can get another few years out of it. The motherboard is dated from 1994. How many peecee's are out there and fully usable/functional from that year????? What are they doing, holding doors open??? As for the upgrades.. it is just a matter of some extra memory, and giving him a larger hard drive. He is also getting a faster modem so that he can go online easier. All fairly minor items compared to what you would need to do to a peecee.

Before you start opening that hole you call a mouth, I am a tech, I DO know what I am talking about so shut it. You have no idea what kind of problems you encounter when you want to update the os of a two or three year old peecee to win2k. Bios updates out the whazoo, IF you are lucky they will allow you to install the newer version. You can almost gurantee that you will need to set aside a minimum of a half day, if not more to get it all done. Then there are the 'critical updates' all over the place because windowz has so many holes in it. Then service packs to make it somewhat stable... the list goes on and on and on and on.....

You may not feel like an idiot, but you sure as hell sound like one to all of us.

[748s]

red eye, man you gotta be a boofhead. 11-28-2001 you posted about apple being 150% more $'s then pc's. your 1333 pc blew away your g4 400. you said goodbye to apple....[quote]...."ciao apple"......man didn't you get sucked in by the mighty apple marketing machine. they got you. you came back to apple for the multitude of usb ports. not anything else......USB PORTS.....you got sucked in .....the 4 ports weren't really 4 ports, cause when you use them there is less then 4.....bummer. what tha **** does anybody use usb for any way. as for the rest of your bleat....if you are just discovering the real world size of drives.....man forget it. i'm just so happy you discovered the 4 usb's that aren't really 4. thanks, i never knew.....
better get a lawyer son, better get a real good one.

[rEd Eye]

WOW!What A riley bunch o mac-rightious ASSHOLES hang out here!
Don't get me wrong,I actually REALLY like my overpriced G4$5000+(CANADIAN$$$,learn how to read abrv.),but I'm starting to get the feeling that some of you could really use a trip up to the surface for some fresh air and sunshine someday!It's getting a little sour in here!
(or do you all just work for Apple,so I'm pissin'in your tea?)
You would think that I just walked ino a white supremists meeting and stated that Jesus was an African American.
Wanks!

[748s]

you are a good laugh red eye.
you don't realise how funny some of your complaints are. usb.
man, steve should get you to do the warm up for the expo's.
hey.....when is 4 not 4? when it is a usb...[crowd at mwny goes wild...].....thanks...thanks.....i've been red eye....NOW HERE'S STEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! [crowd now in frenzy]
you are pulling in some diverse topics, a long way from usb and undersized drives. white supremists/african americans/jesus.
i'm struggling to connect any of the posts to racist comments. come on man, you gotta do better than finishing up with....."wanks".....feeble. make us laugh how about something classy like....do you want cheese and biscuits with that whine?
keep 'em coming.

[Rower_CPU]

What about Firewire?
What about the Superdrive?
What about having an OS you can depend on day-in and day-out?

Mac propietary??? Please, M$ is as proprietrary as all hell, and they're in COURT right now because of it!!!

PC trolls must be banned!

[AlphaTech]

micro$oft is a monopoly...

How do you expect people to react when you come in whining and compaining about NON-ISSUES!!! booo hooo they lied about the size of my drive... waaaaaaa they lied about how many USB ports are on the computer....

As for overpriced... as it was so well put in the South Park movie... 'Blame Canada..."

ya smeg head... :D

[Ifeelbloated]

All right. Hold up. Take a deep breath through your nose. Hold it. Close your eyes and exhale slowly through your mouth. There, better?:D

[Dunepilot]

Damn, I wish I had time to post to boards I didn't care about, just to be inflammatory.

This guy is quickly making himself more popular than Bernie Schifman (stick his name in Google if you don't know who I'm talking about).

Maybe Bernie has created a new alias for himself....... rEd Eye.

However,
In Other News
the pipeline, is, as pointed out by krossfyter, slipping past the attention of a lot of people, as Apple 'do an Intel' with the G4.

[crassusad44]

Oh boy. This thread is a trip... LOL
red eye: thank you for humoring all of us!
now I really have to get back to my computer... A USB port seem to be missing... :p

[rEd Eye]

Sorry,I didn't mean to start a # of usb ports war........(me in my own army),
just speaking my mind,howevever dull you may find my logic&choice of topic...
Glad that I could entertain you with my barbaric notions and ignorant viewpoints though:D
Oh well,off to peruse the more earth shattering subjects of immense consiquence such as which colours&shapes will the next pretty $mac$ come in.....................

[MacAztec]

rED EYE is one of those PC people that dont know a thing about computers. rED EYE...I am on an iMac 333 from 3-4 years ago, and guess what? ITS WORKING SOOO GREAT. Go buy a P4 2.0 GHz and give me a ring in 4 years. Tell me how it runs? What OS will you be running....DOS? Sounds good :eek:

As for me, I am quite happy here on my 4 USB PORT iMac. It really knocks the pants off most PCs, so there ya go. And in a few weeks, my G4 933 will be here.:D :D :D

Have fun on your USB PC rED EYE. Try to upgrade your "digital camera" to IEEE (1394) :p HAHAHAHA. IEEE, what kind of name is that for a copy cable from apple. I wish apple would stop licensing firewire use to other companies, so they could be like windows....:confused: :eek:

[Gelfin]

Hard Disks: Find me a HD currently on the market, whether sold by itself or as part of a system, which does NOT exhibit this property. Just one. I'm not holding my breath waiting. I explained pretty thoroughly what's going on here in the last thread you started on this topic, but you're clearly not interested, because you just started a new (more inflammatory) thread on the same subject. The "80G" drive Apple puts in a system is identical to the "80G" drive you see in a box on the shelf at your computer retailer. To single out Apple speaks of either ignorance or bias.

USB Ports: Your typical PC also has two available USB ports. Quit your whining and buy a hub already. You can practically get them out of gumball machines these days.

Price: Without getting into the conversion from US to Canadian dollars, a PC configured similarly to a G4 will NOT sell at 20% of the price of the G4. Given US pricing, and Apple's "Ultimate" configuration on the dual 1GHz G4 ($3899), you expect us to believe you can buy or build a similar Intel system for a fifth of that price, or under $800. Let's see how that works:

Inventory
2 CPUs, Dual CPU motherboard, 1.5GB RAM, 2 80G IDE HDs, a SuperDrive, GeForce4, 56K modem, Gigabit ethernet, FireWire support.

I did some research online. Note that in all cases I configured the system with the slowest processor available.

Compaq: Several components not available, including SuperDrive, GeForce4 and Gig. Ethernet. Configured with only 1G RAM since (with the exception of a 512MB option) they only sell in 1G increments. Cost: $4,680US.

HP: I could not find a similar base system among their Intel offerings. Maybe you could buy a HP/UX workstation from them, but you wouldn't be getting a bargain over the G4 there.

Dell: Dell actually offers almost every option available in the G4. They don't have GeForce4 cards yet, but I assume that's just temporary and the difference in bottom-line price will be minor. Cost: $5,785US.

Conclusion: Yes indeedy, there is definitely a big difference in price between the G4 and a similarly-featured Intel-based system. Just not the one you might imagine. Actually, before I went to look, I expected the PC-side offerings to come up a few hundred bucks less than the G4, so I could say, "see, it's not nearly that big a difference." Imagine my surprise.

[krossfyter]

i got redeyed!!!

[AlphaTech]

Aim for the red eyes... they are easier to hit :D

[rEd Eye]

"rED EYE is one of those PC people that dont know a thing about computers"
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Damn!you figured me out!
Gotta go play with my Radio shack Color Computer 3 now.
I wonder if the band geek will be my friend?

btw,
I don't disagree with many of the facts pointed out previously(excepting the pricing on the PC systems(BYO!)),however I find the fact that everyone so adamantly disagrees with the fact that the G4 towers only have three usb ports to be rather thick-headed.But as someone stated,so what!
I have discovered that this site is only for discussing happy,fluffy mac stuff,and would hardly expect anyone here to voluntarily discuss how the Apple Corp. is just as guilty as other multi-national corporations(including MS),of taking advantage of the consumer faith,the ability to charge to much,and the tendancy to over-glamorize advertising.Who doesn't?
So I guess I will just bend over,and let them give it to me.
Why fight it?

Signed,
Truly ignorant,as accused.

[Rower_CPU]

And the troll responds...

Make up your mind... is it 3 or 4 ports that you don't agree with.

Once you hook up your USB keyboard and mouse you have 3 ports left, just like you would with a PC. Leave off the mouse and you have 4...

What's the problem???

Sorry if we all sound like Mac zealots who've been blinded by the shining light emanating from Cupertino...truth is we just can't stand uninformed people slamming the Mac. Period.

[krossfyter]

dude. i dont really care about 3 0r 4 or 2 usb ports...all i care about is if it is from APPLE.....because thier products are better.


screw microcrap.

[AlphaTech]

USB port count is a pointless item... If you have more then one device that needs power from the cpu, get a damned hub (as suggested more then a few times in previous posts). I USED to connect my printer to the spare on the back of the case, but no longer (see signature). Any pointing device can be plugged into either of the two ports on the keyboard. Who uses USB 1.1 for anything other then input devices (mice, keyboard occasional joystick)? It is NOT intended for high data throughput, it is just too damned slow for that. At 12Mb MAXIMUM, who wants to take hours to copy files that could take minutes with a firewire device?? When you connect the keyboard to the computer (G4 tower) you still have 3 available, connect a mouse and you have two... why do you need more?? If you count all the ports connected, you get four (including used ones).

I've said it before, and I guess I will have to say it yet again.. this really is a NON-ISSUE you are nit picking to the n'th degree. Get over it already sheeeesh.

There is no way to build a pc with the same features as a DP1GHz system for $800 (US or canadian). The processors alone will come close to that, add a dp mobo and you are over it. It just keeps adding up... and you DON'T want to know how much a GIGABIT ethernet card is going for (hundreds of US dollars).

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by krossfyter
dude. i dont really care about 3 0r 4 or 2 usb ports...all i care about is if it is from APPLE.....because thier products are better.


screw microcrap.

That could get you messy... LOL!!!

I also agree.. USB port count was the LAST item I was concerned with, or considered when I picked up any of my Mac systems.

[rEd Eye]

Honestly,if any of you had bothered to actually read any of this rather lame discussion,you would realised that you hadn't even bothered actually reading anything I've said.
Check back and see if the sole purpose of this thread was to focus on whether there is three or four actual usb ports on the G4.
I was initialising a discussion concerning Apples advertising vs.reality.I could have made reference to many other companies,and the misleading information that they give in regards to their product,however,this is a Mac based forum.
I did not initialise insulting your intelligence,as you have so freely mine,but I may as well carry on the tradition.............
.........By the time you finish reading this,all you will have heard is bla bla bla....something something 3-4usb ports.......,so please feel free to remind me again how many are on the keyboard,how many are on the computer,and how many the mouse occupies.
You think that I'm entertaining...............sheeeesh!

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by rEd Eye
I don't disagree with many of the facts pointed out previously(excepting the pricing on the PC systems(BYO!))

Sooooo, you want us to compare Apple's prebuilt offerings not to offerings from competing companies, but to what you can get by building it yourself. Gee, that's fair. But for the sake of argument, I went over to PriceWatch and shopped for components. I pretended I was going to be building the system myself, meaning I was shopping for bargains, but at the same time I didn't "buy" any crappy components just to save money. The system I priced, with the same features as the $3899 "Ultimate" DPG41GHz configuration mentioned above, would have cost me about $3200 with no software (not even an OS).

That also doesn't include shipping for all the separate components (which I had to "buy" from all over the place in order to get the low prices). Alternatively I could buy all the components locally and pay a few hundred bucks extra for the convenience.

So ultimately, I wind up with a system that's going to cost me about the same amount as the G4, but I've gotta put it together myself (which actually I enjoy doing, but I'm in the vast minority there). I wind up with a system that comes with no support; If anything goes wrong, I have to isolate the problem myself and, if necessary, exchange individual components (which I can do for myself, but again, I'm the oddball there). And after all that trouble, what I've got is a Wintel machine, when for the same money I could have had a Mac.

[rEd Eye]

Just for the sake of it.I followed your lead(kinda off track now),and went to pricewatch and built this system(rather quickly,mind you)
Again,I did not cut corners(except for stuff I don't need).

ASUS A7M266-D,266mhz system bus,
Dual AMD 1200mhz
512mb ddram
80gb seagate IDE drive
Quality cd-rom,floppy drive
Geforce 4MX video card
10/100 ethernet(quality)
case w/350w power supply
5 port usb adapter
mouse
keyboard
Windows XP pro

I don't really have any real need of the superdrive,so I left it out.I already own an external cdrw,and I dont own any DVD's to watch on my mac.
What the hell am I going to do with gigabit ethernet,audio is my gig,so I left it out.I already own a professional soundcard,so I left it out.
good old BUILT TO ORDER!
This came to $1010 US,add another $300 for shipping and forgotten necessities,and that's $1310
So,I managed to build a similar machine,to the specs that suit my purpose for less than half what the $2,999 G4 costs,without cutting any corners except that I would probably buy the fastest CPU if I was going to be working full time with it.
However,I am not going to do this because I am software dependant on the Mac,plus I don't like windoze........(xcept I already own one a kick-ass one that I built for under a $1000 dollars!)
I still can't help but feel like I'm paying $1800 for stuff that I don't want or need,a brand new OS that I have no use for yet,and precision polished plastic that cannot be upgraded.At least with a pc,you can tear out your old mobo,and slap in an new one with a top of the line CPU for under $500,whera's to upgrade your mac you have to get rid of the whole unit for a shiny new $2900 one.
Honestly though,this is an entirely different discussion:D

[AlphaTech]

You cut out things that would have made the system comparable. Such as the gigabit ethernet and super drive... Just because YOU didn't want them, doesn't mean sqwat to me. If you are going to build a comparable system, then do it right or don't even bother. What do you call a 'quality' NIC card??? 3Com is the accepted standard for quality (works in just about any peecee out there or that you want to build)

Do it right, or don't bother... ya troll

[Backtothemac]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, you know this new iBook that I have was 1499.00 and Apple totally ripped me off because I don't NEED this combo drive. I should have bought that 999.00 gateway that has only a CD Rom drive. Screw Apple those lousy bastar#s.

Oh, what you say Apple has an iBook with only a cd for 1199.00 who would have thought that was possible.

If you don't want the superdrive, then buy the entry level G4.

Oh, and one other thing. Apple says my iBook has two USB ports, but when I plug in my external mouse I only have one! Those liars! Also, my iMac that has four USB ports, when I plug in my mouse and keyboard, and printer, and soundsticks, then I don't have any. Should I not be able to plug in all of my equipment and still have four ports left?

Oh, wait, I do, I bought a hub. ;)

[AlphaTech]

hubba hubba burning USB....

[mischief]

Dear Gods, you mean the '78 Malibu you rebuilt from scratch was cheaper than my 2002 Lamborgini Diablo? Oh, but it has comparable RPM and more seats.........ahhhhh I see......I really got screwed.

[Rower_CPU]

Do you have faith that apple never stretches the truth at all???You know,like"ahem!"four usb ports,one of which gets used up in order to plug in the keyboard which sports two of them=three usable usb ports,unless you are ok using your computer without a keyboard,in which case you only get two usb ports.=B.S.
Dual monitor support?Sure,if you happen to have an "Apple" monitor and a VGA monitor,which is completely lame=more B.S.
80GB hard drive?Howabout 74.53GB "capacity"=+B.S.
So now I am supposed to believe that my two chips run at exactly 1000mhz?,or that the bus speed actually makes it to a whopping 133mhz?
Or that they even bothered gluing on the dummy 2meg ddram level three cache chips?
I'm sure that if you think about it you can find even more evidence that Apple B.S.'s in their marketing strategies and product info statements.
Anyone else see any Apple B.S.?
Doesn't it bug you?


Well it looks to me like you mention several thngs in your initial post, therefore this discussion is not just about the USB ports. You began to focus on just the USB ports once you realised that your other complaints were completely baseless, and you had been summarily shot down by the responses everyone else posted.
You are obviously backpedaling as fast as you can to try to maintain some semblance of credibility.
On the tech specs page for the PowerMac G4 Apple says point blank:
Four USB ports (two on system, two on keyboard)
How is that misleading?
Every company uses confusing/misleading language to try to make their product sound better than it really is. Apple is actually better than most about being straight forward with their customers.
"Megahertz Myth" anyone?

[Hemingray]

Okay, I hate to get dragged into the whole USB thing (mainly because it was only a small part of the original topic). But, here we go:

It's quite a valid argument. Either way you look at it, we, the consumer, end up paying more money for expansion cards, hubs, etc. in order to take advantage of Apple's claim of being the Digital Hub.

We're already paying quite a bit for that luxury, is it really a big deal to add two more USB and FireWire ports?

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Hemingray
Okay, I hate to get dragged into the whole USB thing (mainly because it was only a small part of the original topic). But, here we go:

It's quite a valid argument. Either way you look at it, we, the consumer, end up paying more money for expansion cards, hubs, etc. in order to take advantage of Apple's claim of being the Digital Hub.

We're already paying quite a bit for that luxury, is it really a big deal to add two more USB and FireWire ports?

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but every Mac comes with what you need to connect both USB AND FireWire devices to it. IF you have more devices then open ports, and cannot chain them together, are you going to blame Apple??? I woudn't.

I have two external FireWire hard drives, a FireWire scanner, an iBot, and a few USB devices. All the FireWire devices can be placed onto my TiBook, since all but the scanner come with two ports on them. As for the USB devices, I have enough open ports to do what I need without having to get ANY cards. Both USB and FireWire buses can support more devices then you can dream of connecting. You might need to provide power to some down the chain that are normally bus powered, but that is included in the device documentation.

Do you know how many peecee's come with more then two USB OR FireWire ports as standard equipment??? MAYBE one or two, if you are lucky. Do you also know how many peecee keyboards come with USB hubs built in??? Try and find one at your local computer store...

If you have so many devices for the digital hub, there is a pretty good chance you spent the few extra dollars (under $50 for a 4-port USB hub, and $100, o less, can get you a FireWire one) to get some hubs.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by mischief
Dear Gods, you mean the '78 Malibu you rebuilt from scratch was cheaper than my 2002 Lamborgini Diablo? Oh, but it has comparable RPM and more seats.........ahhhhh I see......I really got screwed.

good analogy.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Sorry to bust your bubble here, but every Mac comes with what you need to connect both USB AND FireWire devices to it. IF you have more devices then open ports, and cannot chain them together, are you going to blame Apple??? I woudn't.

I have two external FireWire hard drives, a FireWire scanner, an iBot, and a few USB devices. All the FireWire devices can be placed onto my TiBook, since all but the scanner come with two ports on them. As for the USB devices, I have enough open ports to do what I need without having to get ANY cards. Both USB and FireWire buses can support more devices then you can dream of connecting. You might need to provide power to some down the chain that are normally bus powered, but that is included in the device documentation.

Do you know how many peecee's come with more then two USB OR FireWire ports as standard equipment??? MAYBE one or two, if you are lucky. Do you also know how many peecee keyboards come with USB hubs built in??? Try and find one at your local computer store...

If you have so many devices for the digital hub, there is a pretty good chance you spent the few extra dollars (under $50 for a 4-port USB hub, and $100, o less, can get you a FireWire one) to get some hubs.

All of this is true. But I'm being the "consumer advocate" here. Apple touts simplicity and the digital hub, and yet if I were two go get three USB devices (not that I actually would!) but just say, three devices that Apple sports in their digital hub strategy, I would have to buy a hub.

More later. (Gotta go.)

[Backtothemac]

APPLE COMPUTER COMPANY INTRODUCES NEW LINE OF MACINTOSH COMPUTERS...
"We decided to put 127 USB ports on every mac AFTER all included equipment was plugged in. That way people will not have to ever spend 20 dollars on a Belkin hub to connect devices." -Apple CEO Steve Jobs.

Known Apple critic John C Dvorak was quoted as saying, "Now Apple has finally done something that will make it popular in the PC computing industry. By giving us all of these ports, they have made their computers huge ugly devices that have a pile of cables under the desk. In addition, it saves users money, and that is what computing is all about, saving money here and now, not in the long run."


Hey Redeye, if you give me your address, I will buy you a hub. :p

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Hemingray


All of this is true. But I'm being the "consumer advocate" here. Apple touts simplicity and the digital hub, and yet if I were two go get three USB devices (not that I actually would!) but just say, three devices that Apple sports in their digital hub strategy, I would have to buy a hub.

More later. (Gotta go.)

So????? Your point being???? Did you intend to say 'to go get' or 'two (as in 2) go'??

English should not be a foreign language in the US... or are we dealing with grammar school kids????

If Apple included more ports, the people that make the hubs would be screaming at them. The hubs are cheap enough, unless you a tight wad. In which case, you will never buy the good devices, you will never be happy with the computer, but you will blame the computer maker for charging too much and giving too little.... hmmmm, sounds like redeye to me. :D

[mischief]

HOT SWAP?.........plug......unplug........plug..........unplug........plug.......unplug.
ooooohhhh so hard. I think I may go insane at the lack of adressing and restarts. I think all this switching plugs may be wearing away my prized beer-gut.

[krossfyter]

i think john c dvorak should be fired. he sucks.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by mischief
HOT SWAP?.........plug......unplug........plug..........unplug........plug.......unplug.
ooooohhhh so hard. I think I may go insane at the lack of adressing and restarts. I think all this switching plugs may be wearing away my prized beer-gut.

ROTFLMAO!!!!! So well put... Apple has achieved a level of plug n' play that window$ only dreams of....

Maybe I should get some more devices to help reduce my brick bustin gut... Nahhhhh, I'll let the Harley do that... since I will wait on getting a windshield for a while :D *hearing 'getcha motor running' in my head and happy about it :D*

[krossfyter]

hey can i ride wit ya alpha? ....i promise to swat them bugs from hitting your face!!!



:D

[AlphaTech]

Maybe... if you can make it up to MA... I'm not going down to BFE Texas :D...

[rEd Eye]

At least I'm not the only"troll",who's having a good time dropping"bait"in this forum.Funny thing about trolls,The more of them that there are in one place,the less they consider themselfes to be trolls.It's always amazing how topics that give people a chance to prove how right they are always take off,and become popular.Does anyone have any idea what your discussing here?Or why?Or are you just happily ignoring the valid details that make perfect sense in order to fule this little flame war against me?

btw Hemingray,this is not agood time to agree with any of my points,or anything for that matter, regarding Apple's misleading consumer information(original concept of this thread),because all anyone here wants is fresh meat to flame!

[Backtothemac]

OK that's it the gloves are off. Dude, you have gone to far. Don't you realize that Apple is like a Mom to us Macheads? You sit here and talk about Apple's misleading customer information, and you are full of *****! The fact is that ALL, listen close, ALL computer companies quote the number of Ports on the machine. They of course may be filled with devices when you get your system. According to what you are saying, you should be bent out of shape because you 4X AGP slot comes with a card in it.

Like a pissy little girl, you are bitching about stuff that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Hard drive is not 80GB but 74.5 (or whatever you said), three available usb ports instead of four, is my processor really 1GHZ. Dude, I have not seen someone cry so badly about nothing since the third grade when this little girl Marie Robbins started crying because it was raining.
Actually, I have figured out who you are, you have to Michael Dell, because only he can cry like this. The point is, get friggin over it, return your G4 and go buy a new Dell with two USB ports, then plug in your keyboard and mouse, and you will have one as the mouse plugs into the keyboard, but I guess you already know that don't you Mike.

Again, give me an address, I will buy you a hub. Open up your case and call the company that made the Hard drive and bitch. Get some tools and test your processor, but for the love of God, SHUT UP!

Lets use our collective powers and end this stupid A$$ thread, regardless of how entertaining it is. ;)

[Rower_CPU]

rEd Eye-
How about you answer some of the questions put to you here in the forum? You've gone so far off on your diatribe that you can't find your way back.

Instead of complaining about being flamed for your incessantly idiotic views, why don't you try to be a part of the discussion?

Do you have any idea what we are discussing here???

Do we use too many big words???
Let me simplify for your woefully inadequate intellect:
USB, how many fingers?

Go get a wah-burger and some french-cries...

Bring it.

[rEd Eye]

Very eloquently spoken there,Rower_CPU dude.
Obviously,judging by the slew of insults you just threw at me,you have absolutely no interest in hearing what I'm saying.And if you were interested,you would have bothered to actually read some of my posts as of yet.
Glad your still having fun though!:D

[Rower_CPU]

Obviously if you had read any of my previous posts you would have seen that I've attempted to engage in discussion with you several times, to no avail. I've read every single one of your posts, and I'm trying to understand how you can contradict yourself with each post.
How about you go back through the thread and read my posts, and then we'll try this again.

[mischief]

V12

5707cc

530bhp@7100RPM

603N.m@5500RPM

max spd.:185mph

0-60 3.9 sec

0-100 8.6 sec

weight: 3400lb.

Yeah, it has the guts. Stock in fact.

[rEd Eye]

" rEd Eye-
How about you answer some of the questions put to you here in the forum?"

Ok,I suppose that for the intent with which I began this thread,I should have phased things a little less aggressively.My interest was in discussing.....

"Every company uses confusing/misleading language to try to make their product sound better than it really is",including Apple.

I for one,have always seen Apple as being a good solid stone to step on,however between the price of their machines,the completely prorietary infrastructure of the mac,and the fact that they haven't shown me that they are any better than any other corporation when it comes to being completely honest,and someone you can trust.I was interested in discussing this,because so many of us do see Apple as a solid friend who has our best interests in mind?Do they,or are we just another sucker,falling for the glamor and paying more than we should be for their products?
Everything Apple cost's too much.same brand Video cards are twice as much,The memory has gotten cheaper,but it still cost's quite a bit more.On average,you are going to pay 50%more for anything purchased through Apple from hardware to software.
Do you disagree?
"Mac propietary??? Please, M$ is as proprietrary as all hell, and they're in
COURT right now because of it!!! "
Hows this for propietary................
I myself own two Macs,and have been happy using them,apart from the price that I had to pay for them and the fact that I am obliged to own two licenses for OS9,one licence for OSX that I have no use for,two Apple ONE button mice,Two apple keyboards,two Apple supplied Cd rom/dvd rw etc,Two G4 cases w/power supply, two ethernet cards etc etc.As well as I had to buy another Seperate PCI graphics card,because of Apples propietary display connectors,advertised as "dual monitor support",but useless for me.When in reality the only new piece of hardware that makes a single difference to me is the new mobo and dual cpu's.I only use one machine,and now I have no choice but to sell the slower and all of it's components at a fraction of what I paid.
That's propietary!
Yes,I recognise that every hard drive,cd-rom ,dvd rom,floppy disk,and other forms of storage media manufacturer claims more storage than is actually available,I would just hope to see Apple as being the type of "user friendly"company that would be anxious to be one step above and happilly tell the consumer on the front page that they were actually receiving 74.53GB of storage space,so that no one who didn't know bwetter would ever have to wonder why they didn't receive the full 80GB drive.
I also do not believe that their product info for the DP G4's informs the average consumer that purchasing Dual CPU's will be redundant for most OS9 apps.Wonder if anyone has fallen in this trap yet?

And....of course............sigh!
Make up your mind... is it 3 or 4 ports that you don't agree with.

"Once you hook up your USB keyboard and mouse you have 3 ports left, just like you would with a PC. Leave off the mouse and you have 4...

What's the problem???"

On the tech specs page for the PowerMac G4 Apple says point blank:
Four USB ports (two on system, two on keyboard)
How is that misleading?"

I wish I could draw you a picture,and yes this is completely insignificant,and has nothing to do with why I bought my computer,but,dammit!the point has to be made.....?

point blank:
Four USB ports (two on system, two on keyboard)
Should say:
Three usb ports(two on the system,one of which is irrevocable consumed in order to gain access to the two keyboard ports.)
(you notice that I am not nit-picking about the one that is irrevocably consumed by the mouse,as a true hardcore could operate the entire system via keyboard.)
When you purchase a system with four usb ports,you get four,because you don't need to plug in a key board to access two of them,even though there is still only going to be three left that you can use for other things,after you plug in the keyboard..
It is not the fact of how many usable usb ports there actually is,It's the fact that the big lovable friend that we warmly refer to as better than the rest would try to make it appear as though there were actually four usable usb ports(if you happen to be not thinking!).
I very much feel that for the price of these systems,the consumer should be receivng more than they expected.
Honestly though,this usb thing was not on the top of my list of things to discuss here.nitpicnitpicnitpicnitpicnitpicetc.
My other points are more in my interest of discussion.

[AlphaTech]

redeyes... shut the hell UP!!!

Computer companies COMPETE with each other. If one went and said that the 80GB hard drive was really 74.5GB which one would you buy??? Most people would go with the one that claims to be larger (even the 5.5GB difference that DOESN'T EXIST).

As for the ports... get your head out of your a$$ and shaddap.

Oh, and as for this... "Everything Apple cost's too much.same brand Video cards are twice as much,The memory has gotten cheaper,but it still cost's quite a bit more.On average,you are going to pay 50%more for anything purchased through Apple from hardware to software." you couldn't be more wrong. UNLESS you actually go and get it from an Apple retail or online store. Anyone with more then two brain cells (that precludes you) knows to shop around. I don't buy memory from Apple, and I don't pay 50% more for anything just because it is for a Mac.

Again... get your head out of your a$$ and SHADDAP!!!! just zip it.. shhhh... give your one living brain cell a rest and shaddap.

Anyone else with me on this??? CAN WE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD BEFORE DUMB-EYES... oops, I mean redeyes... tries to come up with something to say.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


So????? Your point being???? Did you intend to say 'to go get' or 'two (as in 2) go'??

English should not be a foreign language in the US... or are we dealing with grammar school kids????

I made a typo.... OH GOD....! GOD, WHY!?!....

It's truly amazing what you'll pick on someone for. :rolleyes:

[rEd Eye]

AlphaTech,You,must be a dis-gruntled Apple employee,you propietary supporting bastard!......
Sorry I had to touch you this way.
What a stupid waste of time trying to explain something so obvious to such a blinded person(s).
And yes,I've done all I am able to try and communicate my meaning to you.
sheeeesh!!!**** it!

THREAD CLOSED(you guys are welcome to have a few more free shots at me though,If you like?)THREAD CLOSED,as far as I am concerned.

[748s]

redeye, didn't think you would have to back up anything did you. you're chevy V lamborgini stuff....just remember, sometime you're going to have to go round a corner or stop. goodluck. wakey wakey, hand off snakey.

[mischief]

Originally posted by rEd Eye

...............the completely prorietary infrastructure of the mac ...............................Everything Apple cost's too much.same brand Video cards are twice as much,The memory has gotten cheaper,but it still cost's quite a bit more.On average,you are going to pay 50%more for anything purchased through Apple from hardware to software.........................................................
.......I myself own two Macs..................................................and the fact that I am obliged to own two licenses for OS9,one licence for OSX.........................two Apple ONE button mice,Two apple keyboards,two Apple supplied Cd rom/dvd rw etc,Two G4 cases w/power supply, two ethernet cards etc etc.As well as I had to buy another Seperate PCI graphics card,because of Apples propietary display connectors,advertised as "dual monitor support",.....................When in reality the only new piece of hardware that makes a single difference to me is the new mobo and dual cpu's.I only use one machine,and now I have no choice but to sell the slower and all of it's components at a fraction of what I paid.


I wouldn't say that a machine with AGP, PCI, 133DIMMs, USB, IEEE1394, 100/1000B-T Ethernet, a 56K modem and ATA-66 is proprietary considering those are ALL industry standards.

If you didn't assume that a machine that costs more costs more...........yer an idiot.

Are you complaining about having 3 system disks because they came with the machines or did you buy them yourself?

You can go to Apple's website and get a list of compatible drives if you want to install your own and any mouse or keyboard with USB will do.

I'm not sure what your complaint with the power supply and Ethernet is?

You can convert to VGA easily. Buying a new card proves you have a low threshold for cognative thought.

How are you "forced" to sell your old machine? If it's a G4 (which you seem to be implying) it should work with everything and be plenty quick for all but the most gawdawful rendering.

I think you just need to kidnap an engineer there Paklid.

[MacAztec]

Buy an iMac you dumb *****. Are you really that stupid? Lets hope not...

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by rEd Eye
This came to $1010 US

Dude, you're a damn liar. I went to PriceWatch and priced the same hardware, cutting as many corners as I possibly could within the specifications you gave.

Here's what I found:

ASUS A7M266-D,266mhz system bus -- $208

Dual AMD 1200mhz -- 2x154 = $308 (you did get MP chips here, right?)

512mb ddram $119 (PC2100 -- elsewise your 266mhz bus is pointless)

80gb seagate IDE drive -- I won't make you factor in the cost of replacing this piece of crap in a few months. I'd have a Maxtor before a Seagate IDE. $106.

Quality cd-rom,floppy drive -- If "quality" means a $17 Creative Labs 48x drive, then here you go. The floppy drive can be had for $3.

Geforce 4MX video card -- $97, and don't even begin to compare a GeForce4 MX to a full GF4. They're not remotely in the same league.

10/100 ethernet(quality) -- Quality, schmality. You can pick up a crapola no-name card for $3, so that's what I did.

case w/350w power supply -- These can be had for as low as $28. I would expect the case to be an orange crate. No, wait, orange crates cost more.

5 port usb adapter -- No-name, twenty bucks.

mouse -- a dollar.

keyboard -- two bucks if you mention PriceWatch.

Windows XP pro -- $124 provided you buy it bundled with a new system, which you're not.

Final total: $1036 for a system I wouldn't wish on anyone, and which you couldn't actually get anyway, since you cheated on the OS pricing.

[AlphaTech]

Hey Gelfin, if you swapped out the low quality parts, with actual good ones, the price tag goes through the roof.

A gigabit network card will run $125 or more (Netgear).

A quality cd-rom drive runs about $30 or so (one that will not explode from shattering your disc).

A superdrive will run somewhere in the area of $450-$600 (for an internal drive).

A nVidia GF 4MX400 (64MB) card runs about $125 (off brand, not one that I would trust).

I assume that you want some kinds of sound (other then the system beep on startup). A quality sound card (that won't cause system crashes left and right) runs about $100... if you don't care about being stable, then you can probably go for about $30.

win xp pro *shudder* while listed at $135, it requires to be sold with a system (OEM version). Real retail versions sell for $300 (includes the manul, which the OEM does not)

I have found that if you try to build a peecee that comes close to the Mac for real world spec's and use, it costs pretty much the same. Another problem that comes with building a peecee is that you are never really done. I know, since I am almost always tweaking the hardware in the one I built. Something newer, faster, better, is ALWAYS coming out a month or two after you installed a part. Updating the bios can be a real pain in the a$$... UNLIKE firmware updates on the Mac :D.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Maybe... if you can make it up to MA... I'm not going down to BFE Texas :D...


nah online homey!