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MacRumors
Apr 21, 2003, 01:11 PM
While reliable reports indicate that a communication device will be available in the next few weeks... some unconfirmed reports provide some details:

According to these reports the new device will be a multifuctional device -- both phone and pda functionality with iCal, Mail and iChat integration. The new device is claimed to have Quicktime embedded as well as a camera to provide support for video.

The device is said to be co-developed with Eriksson.



jethroted
Apr 21, 2003, 01:26 PM
So is this device different than the other communicating device found on page one? They seem to conflict with each other.

dstorey
Apr 21, 2003, 01:40 PM
this sounds very exciting if true, being able to phone, IM, video conference, take photos (if res is good enough) and do pda type tasks on the go would be great...would remove the need for me to get a laptop completely i would guess as long as it was fully intergrated with os x, and included developer tool so i could program on the go too. Only thing is the size of the device for phone, I'd feel dumb having a huge box held to my ear like in 80's films especially with the size of phones these days, and could be awkward to carry round every day instead of a small phone (though easier than a laptop and if quite big then easier to input things than on a phone or pda. I suppose bluetooth headphone/mic would remove the dumbness of holding a big box to your ear to phone someone....

Natron
Apr 21, 2003, 01:43 PM
I'll believe it when I see it, and I don't think we'll see it (at least the way it's described here).

NoWonder
Apr 21, 2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Natron
I'll believe it when I see it, and I don't think we'll see it (at least the way it's described here).

I hope you are right. I already have a cell phone that I am happy with... I want an mp3 player, but if I have to wait for my cell phone contract to expire then I'm not going to be getting it from apple.

If this is the case, I hope apple continues to sell the current iPods along side them.

--nw

pyrotoaster
Apr 21, 2003, 02:01 PM
Apple isn't entering the phone market. They can't compete there.

Also, Apple isn't going to release any kind of cookie-cutter PDA. They can't compete there, either.

I'd put my money on a mini-tablet, al la Macwhisper's 8-inch enclosure.

ennerseed
Apr 21, 2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
Apple isn't entering the phone market. They can't compete there.

Also, Apple isn't going to release any kind of cookie-cutter PDA. They can't compete there, either.

I'd put my money on a mini-tablet, al la Macwhisper's 8-inch enclosure.

I agree - about wanting a tablet -

but if you are asking if Apple can be the no. 1 phone developer hmm maybe maybe not. but if Apple had a really good offering ALOT of mac users would buy one, and since a phone doesn't have to be Mac compatible alot of pc users might as well. -I also think the above, probably totally speculation, is in no way cookie cutter pda sounding... if you know where to get one that has those features... please, do tell.

Natron
Apr 21, 2003, 02:40 PM
I'd put my money on a mini-tablet, al la Macwhisper's 8-inch enclosure

I would as well.

technocoy
Apr 21, 2003, 02:46 PM
some type of media control device....

Stella
Apr 21, 2003, 02:53 PM
Erriccson have just released the P800, after spending ages to get out - delay after delay.

I really doubt they will launch a phone than will effectively complete against it.

Of course unless they have just loaded extra software on to the phone to make it work with iCal etc. (And I don't think there was QuickTime for Symbian port (Symbian is the OS that the P800 runs on)).

Also, if there was such a phone, what sort of a market would there be? Very Mac orientated. The P800 has a camera, and full PDA features, just like just this rumoured device.

Natron
Apr 21, 2003, 02:54 PM
One thought I had is if iChat is going to get video conferencing, would Apple put some kind of webcam out? Same with a microphone if they enhance Speech further? Or some kind of tablet with Inkwell?

I don't think Apple is going to do a tablet, pda, or cell phone, at least not with how they are today, but rather something that does well what all three of these do OK.

I suppose we just have to wait and see.

Eniregnat
Apr 21, 2003, 03:05 PM
The min-tablet is not a new rumor. It mimics the direction that the industry is taking as well as follows Apples past development scheme.

I picture a g3 iBook like tablet, with out an easily replaceable battery, blue-tooth, IR, AirPort, and 3rd party card connection (networking, slaveing and control being the key points of a device like this). If you believe this then the question is, would you buy a clunky, keyboadless, dumbed down iBook? Do you want/need a para-notebook in your life, and is there a market for a single digital hub in your house and a giant networked controller?

The paperless office has yet to come, the Newton is dead, so I am skeptical, but hopeful.

IJ Reilly
Apr 21, 2003, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Natron
One thought I had is if iChat is going to get video conferencing, would Apple put some kind of webcam out? Same with a microphone if they enhance Speech further? Or some kind of tablet with Inkwell?

I don't think Apple is going to do a tablet, pda, or cell phone, at least not with how they are today, but rather something that does well what all three of these do OK.

I suppose we just have to wait and see.

This thinking sounds valid to me, as it follows on from Apple's recent product strategy with the iPod and iApps -- not something entirely new and different, but a "best in class" implementation of an existing product or service.

SunRiser
Apr 21, 2003, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Stella
Erriccson have just released the P800, after spending ages to get out - delay after delay.

I really doubt they will launch a phone than will effectively complete against it.

Of course unless they have just loaded extra software on to the phone to make it work with iCal etc. (And I don't think there was QuickTime for Symbian port (Symbian is the OS that the P800 runs on)).

Also, if there was such a phone, what sort of a market would there be? Very Mac orientated. The P800 has a camera, and full PDA features, just like just this rumoured device.

good point... must be something else...

Windowlicker
Apr 21, 2003, 03:39 PM
There's no reason apple would make a device that already excists.. Why do you think iPod was so succesful? There was no small 5Gt (-20Gt) mp3 players out there!
This is not gonna be anything you'd expect :) Then again, I might very well be wrong.

2COOL4SCHOOL
Apr 21, 2003, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
I'd put my money on a mini-tablet, al la Macwhisper's 8-inch enclosure.

God, I hope you are right.

longpath
Apr 21, 2003, 04:08 PM
Since we know that Apple would only introduce a digital hub accessory device if they thought the existing offerings blew chunks (consider MP3 players prior to iPod) and we know that iChat has precursors of videoconferencing built into, though not yet actively implemented, might I suggest that some manner of videophone device might be in store, possibly with internet phone capability (internet phone apps are pretty poor overall, and really thin on the Mac side)? Existing web cams propped up on top of monitors or off on the side introduce horrible parallax issues and the frame rates ... I'll be charitable and say that in my opinion, all web cams so far suck (this is my opinion, so if you disagree, let's just agree to disagree, ok?). A streaming MPEG4 two way video conferencing device and phone would, in my opinion, be very cool, and be something that doesn't truly have a competing device at this point in time (to the best of my knowledge). Any thoughts on my wild conjecture (no, I'm not calling this a rumor... this is pure speculation with a couple of educated guesses thrown in).

iElvis
Apr 21, 2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Windowlicker
...Why do you think iPod was so succesful? There was no small 5Gt (-20Gt) mp3 players out there!...

Windowlicker, I think you mean 5GB... not quite sure what 5Gt is.

Video for iChat sounds like a good possible device.

sparks9
Apr 21, 2003, 05:08 PM
It's Ericsson not Eriksson. Is it reliable if the source can't spell this right?

sparks9
Apr 21, 2003, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by iElvis
Windowlicker, I think you mean 5GB... not quite sure what 5Gt is.

Video for iChat sounds like a good possible device.

He's from Finland, maybe it's Gt in Finland?

Awimoway
Apr 21, 2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by longpath
Since we know that Apple would only introduce a digital hub accessory device if they thought the existing offerings blew chunks (consider MP3 players prior to iPod) and we know that iChat has precursors of videoconferencing built into, though not yet actively implemented, might I suggest that some manner of videophone device might be in store, possibly with internet phone capability (internet phone apps are pretty poor overall, and really thin on the Mac side)? Existing web cams propped up on top of monitors or off on the side introduce horrible parallax issues and the frame rates ... I'll be charitable and say that in my opinion, all web cams so far suck (this is my opinion, so if you disagree, let's just agree to disagree, ok?). A streaming MPEG4 two way video conferencing device and phone would, in my opinion, be very cool, and be something that doesn't truly have a competing device at this point in time (to the best of my knowledge). Any thoughts on my wild conjecture (no, I'm not calling this a rumor... this is pure speculation with a couple of educated guesses thrown in).

What you say makes more sense than anything else.

I thought Apple had made it clear they were not going into the phone or PDA business, and I think this rumor (the Page 1 rumor more than the one for this thread) sounds like something OTHER than the rumored tablet device.

This is Page 2, after all. I don't buy this rumor, but the the Page 1 story is a possibility.

A good firewire webcam with high quality video makes a lot of sense.

GeneR
Apr 21, 2003, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
While reliable reports indicate that a communication device will be available in the next few weeks... some unconfirmed reports provide some details:

According to these reports the new device will be a multifuctional device -- both phone and pda functionality with iCal, Mail and iChat integration. The new device is claimed to have Quicktime embedded as well as a camera to provide support for video.

The device is said to be co-developed with Eriksson.

The ROBOT MONKEY idea sounded more promising... :D

Nermal
Apr 21, 2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by sparks9
He's from Finland, maybe it's Gt in Finland?

Could be, some countries do have different names. For example, France (I think) uses Mo instead of MB (not sure about Go/GB) which means "mega octet" (which kinda makes more sense than byte since octo means 8).

Thanatoast
Apr 21, 2003, 07:22 PM
According to these reports the new device will be a multifuctional device -- both phone and pda functionality with iCal, Mail and iChat integration. The new device is claimed to have Quicktime embedded as well as a camera to provide support for video.
Okay, so amalgamating everything that's been said so far, imo we have a wireless video phone (with added nifty still camera) that runs over internet protocols with functionality as a thin client for basic work around the house/internet access plus with the new itunes music service it would double as an in-house jukebox that remotely controls your home theater system with a catalogue of all songs known to mankind.

And the perpetual motion machine will be announced in September but won't ship 'till Christmas. ;)

In all seriousness, that would be hella cool. What sucks is waiting eight more days to find out, and then being disapointed but upbeat when a basic webcam appears. Here's hoping for the best! Cheers!

cubist
Apr 21, 2003, 08:18 PM
It's obviously not an Apple Tablet. The features sound very close to the Sony Ericsson P800 phone, which has the Symbian software and is supposed to be a vastly better PDA than this stupid T68i that I have, and it has bigger, more usable buttons and a bigger, more readable display too. (Should have waited. :()

And we've already heard that 10.2.5 now supports the P800, so this rumor probably is a confused report of that fact. The only part that makes no sense is connecting it to the Cinema Display.

Maybe there's some kind of Tivo-like gizmo coming out which will allow the Cinema Display to be used as a television, with a Mac as a PVR. If so, we'll be needing an inexpensive headless Mac to go with it...

Fender2112
Apr 21, 2003, 09:05 PM
It's been interesting reading all these ideas about the new device. But here's the scoop from a reliable source.

This new device called iPad, will be Apple's version of a pocket PC device. It will feature a larger display (in terms of PDA's) that takes advantage of Inkwell and feature 32 bit color. It well have a video input similar to that of the Sony Clié. It will have Airport Extreme allowing wireless internet connections. With these features combined in one device, you will have a PDA that allows video conferencing and web browsing via a WiFi connection. It will sport a Jr. version of Saffari called Excursion. The OS has been dubbed OS 1/X (1/10). It's OS X on a weight loss program but with for support iChat, iTunes, and iSync. The hardware will feature: 20GB hard drive, 32Mb RAM, Firewire, audio out, microphone. It looks alot like an overgrown iPod. It even has a wheel.

Stella
Apr 21, 2003, 09:56 PM
> This new device called iPad, will be Apple's version of a pocket > PC device

Nope - it can't be called iPad, the name is already taken. The iPad is a Fujitsu PDA handheld.

http://www.ftxs.fujitsu.com/fujitsutemp.asp?navid=608

DGFan
Apr 21, 2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by cubist
It's obviously not an Apple Tablet. The features sound very close to the Sony Ericsson P800 phone, which has the Symbian software and is supposed to be a vastly better PDA than this stupid T68i that I have, and it has bigger, more usable buttons and a bigger, more readable display too. (Should have waited. :()


Nowhere in the rumor does it mention "highly portable" or "pocket-sized". It could very well be a home video phone. You would obviously want PDA-like features to get at your address book, etc... And connecting into a display would make for better video-conferencing.

DGFan
Apr 21, 2003, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Fender2112
It's been interesting reading all these ideas about the new device. But here's the scoop from a reliable source.

This new device called iPad, will be Apple's version of a pocket PC device. It will feature a larger display (in terms of PDA's) that takes advantage of Inkwell and feature 32 bit color. It well have a video input similar to that of the Sony Clié. It will have Airport Extreme allowing wireless internet connections. With these features combined in one device, you will have a PDA that allows video conferencing and web browsing via a WiFi connection. It will sport a Jr. version of Saffari called Excursion. The OS has been dubbed OS 1/X (1/10). It's OS X on a weight loss program but with for support iChat, iTunes, and iSync. The hardware will feature: 20GB hard drive, 32Mb RAM, Firewire, audio out, microphone. It looks alot like an overgrown iPod. It even has a wheel.

Even an overgrown Clie would be useless for video-conferencing. Video conferencing needs a stationary camera. If I am going to be writing on this thing and moving it around it's going to make the people on the other end of the line very, very sick. Not to say they won't make such a device (although I can't imagine what special things they would put in that would make it More Than Just Another PDA (tm)) but as you described it would be worthless for video-conferencing.

JtheLemur
Apr 21, 2003, 10:33 PM
I notice everybody likes my Robot Monkey A/V idea.

I am glad.

I will be prototyping it out if Apple doesn't release it first, so hopefully a Monkey that can store and play audio/video will become reality before the end of the year. That is my dream. Hopefully the Robotic Monkey, in addition to A/V capabilities, will be able to open cans of corn with his hands.

My people call it maize.

Unfortunately the Inflatormaus (aka Inflator Mouse) project is on hold, what on account I dunno what it would do. nor look like. nor even know what the hell I'm talking about.

2003! The year of Robot Monkey A/V!

GeneR
Apr 21, 2003, 11:52 PM
Maybe it's a wristwatch like Johnny Socko and the Giant Robo. Or maybe a shoe like Maxwell Smart.

Hmmm. This is mindboggling. Unless it's the new ipod or tablet... :D


Yes, ROBO MONKEY is good, JtheLemur. However, remember the reason why people who work at the zoo hate cleaning the cages (especially the monkey cage) has a lot to do with the amount of ((ahem)) "stuff" they tend to distribute all over the cage.

If your ROBO MONKEY can do this, then you've got a sure winner. I'm sure Apple'll by a ton and send them off to every Microsoft employee... heh! :D

For a better definition of "stuff" talk to eyelikeart. He's a connoisseur of it. :D

ipiloot
Apr 22, 2003, 02:39 AM
I see many problems here, that's why i don't believe this rumor as much as I don't believe Vivendy buyout rumor. Reasoning:

1. Mobile phones are sold via operator-owned sales networks with significant subscriber discounts. Getting in to this market is very difficult for any US player without excisting distribution network and operator relationships because of the weak position of GSM standard in US and the resulting lack of experience. Eaven Moto has difficulties in channeling.
2. Apple seems to be entering to the quickly rising markets only and cellphones market is in maturity stadium. Smartphones market is rising, but it's getting saturated very fast and there's already two big OS players here - Symbian (all leading manufacturers in Europe incl. Ericsson and Nokia) and Microsoft (current PDA contracts, trying to follow the spartphone trend). There's no space in so small market (and smartphone market IS small) for more OS-s and I don't think, that market will accept Apple's OS so easily. It has to contain some very-very special and impossible to copy features.
3. Fighting in mobile market is bloody and the current market leader - Nokia - is virtually unbeatable (Ericsson lost the market eavent with the 2 gen newer phone than Nokias this-time offerings). Instead of kicking the beast, work together with it.
4. Ericsson is in his weakest position ever on mobile market. And P800 has many weaknesses (glass breaks easiliy on pressure to the keyboard, phone won't charge in cradle!!!).
5. Mobile equipment manufacturers are overstressed and have cut the costs wherever possible. That makes it difficult to keep up with Apple's quality requirements.

DGFan
Apr 22, 2003, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by ipiloot
I see many problems here, that's why i don't believe this rumor as much as I don't believe Vivendy buyout rumor. Reasoning:


Again, I haven't seen "mobile" attached to this rumor (unless you are assuming that because of Eriksson's involvement). I agree with your rationale that it is unlikely that Apple would enter the mobile phone market. So the question then becomes, would Eriksson work on a non-mobile phone product?

ssamani
Apr 22, 2003, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by DGFan
Again, I haven't seen "mobile" attached to this rumor (unless you are assuming that because of Eriksson's involvement). I agree with your rationale that it is unlikely that Apple would enter the mobile phone market. So the question then becomes, would Eriksson work on a non-mobile phone product?

Eriksson has made land line phones in the past. My wife had one that was a Which? (UK consumer mag) best buy, but was utterly useless. Prior to the Sony merger, I always heard that Eriksson mobiles were rubbish as well... Sony seems to have pulled Eriksson's socks up.

I am sceptical about a mobile phone. I think Apple will wait until 3G to release a phone at which point they will have enough mobile bandwidth for their music (and video?) service. I don't think there's enough bandwidth in GPRS, let alone GSM, to fit in with their digital hub / media on demand strategy. However it wouldn't surprise me if they release this product in Japan and Europe where 3G is being rolled out before they release in the US. I think this device will be an iPod with Inkwell, full PDA features and music and video on demand. When everyone quotes Steve as saying Apple wouldn't do a PDA, the context was that he said that PDA's were going away and people would increasingly use more functional phones rather than carry two devices, i.e., consolidation / integration. I don't think Apple will do a pure PDA. Combo MP4 / phone / PDA on 3G so you can get music and video on demand... now that is an Apple product but its a year or more away.

Sanj

Sanj

JtheLemur
Apr 22, 2003, 09:55 AM
GeneR - since the Monkey would be Robotic, he would not leave said 'stuff' all over the cages. I mean, that feature could always be added as an upgrade later, for those desiring a more realistic Robot Monkey A/V (probably dubbed A/V/P for audio/video/poop)... =D

Longey Nowze
Apr 22, 2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by ssamani
Eriksson has made land line phones in the past. My wife had one that was a Which? (UK consumer mag) best buy, but was utterly useless. Prior to the Sony merger, I always heard that Eriksson mobiles were rubbish as well... Sony seems to have pulled Eriksson's socks up.

ericsson makes great phones! they are much better than nokia! they have newer tech! when did nokia support bluetooth? when did they have a colour screen?
the T68 was mostly designed by ericsson, then when sony ericsson came they redigned it (same hardware just different look) they called the T68i, sony ericsson still makes better phones than nokia! nokia has 4 different models that are exactly the same! and they even charge you differently! i just hate they way they do that! they are years leat with tech! and their UI hasn't changed in ages! it's just horrible!!! they don't sell phones they sell snake! "now with the ability to make phone calls!" just stupid!
now that that is out of my chest -phew!- i just want to add that most mobile phones suck... I had the P800 and for the time i had it was the best phone ever... i only had it for 5 hours it broke after that... I got a lemon i guess lol now i'm stuck with a nokie 66whatever with a colour screen and it's the stupidest phone ever! but i already went through that.

anyway back to the romour... maybe apple is just helping ericsson to make a mac friendly phone, maybe they want to port quicktime? or some other stuff? it could be the P850 compatible with mac OS X, oh and it works with that other OS... but it works with OS X much better!...

thank you
MaT

technocoy
Apr 22, 2003, 05:45 PM
ericsson does not do mobile phones any longer... that is all sony ericsson... i work for both companies, and sony ericsson is a completely different entity now, they actually do promos with ericsson. they also fight alot. But i will say that i have had a t68i since prototype phase and it is one of the best phones i have ever used...
on that,,, apple did sign some type of business deal with sony ericsson a while ago, so who knows?? maybe, but i doubt it... IBM on the other hand, someone from there told me to keep an eye out about a month from now for an announcement that i would surely enjoy... hmmmm... 970? or something completely different? OS X on IBM Blade Server running powerPC??? oh my god the possibilities are endless!!!:D

Wonder Boy
Apr 22, 2003, 07:08 PM
I just want this thing to come out so i can hate it and by an ibook!

AndrewMT
Apr 22, 2003, 10:09 PM
If Apple did release a phone with im capabilities, it better have a keyboard!!!!! IM phones with no keyboard are the stupidist product to come out on the mobile telecomunications market today. You can fit a qwerty keyboard on a mobile phone and still retain its portability (i.e. t-mobile sidekick). In addition, a keyboard greatly improves the speed by which one can surf the internet on a mobile device.

No way am I going to spend all my time pressing the number buttons again and again to get a letter and eventually make a sentence. I've got better things to do.........well, no I don't, but if I did I wouldn't be using a keyboardless phone. That's for sure!

Oh. Bye the way, Apple can compete in the mobile phone market if they are teamed up with sony-erricson. No doubt about it. What we would have to worry about is the service provider. Sprint's vision network is the only reasonable priced voice and unlimited data plan out right now. AT&T's prices (around $100) are just unacceptable and T-mobile, at least for me and the rest of us in Northern Virginia, has horribly weak service.

MacQuest
Apr 23, 2003, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by technocoy
...Apple did sign some type of business deal with sony ericsson a while ago...

MWNY in July of '02.

During his keynote, SJ announced a partnership between Apple, Sony Ericsson, and Cingular Wireless [I dont want to hear $h!t about how Cingular sucks because I know this already].

Nothing has come of out this partnership...Yet. :D

Wonder Boy
Apr 23, 2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I just want this thing to come out so i can hate it and by an ibook!



Too late! I bought an iBook today~

mangoduck
Apr 24, 2003, 01:01 AM
sounds like something out of a doctor who episode...

"hold on, where are we? that shouldn't have happened. something must have gone wrong with the multifunctional combo device. or was it the time slave relay, i wonder... [stares blankly]

just a moment [runs back to the tardis]"

RDC
May 12, 2003, 07:31 PM
Hi. Does anyone know why this issue hasn't generated much discussion? I noticed that in the time leading up to the iMac and the iPod, there was a great deal of commotion.

I need a PDA badly and I wish that Apple would make one soon.

Eniregnat
May 13, 2003, 11:12 AM
RDC I think that mangoduck has it right, a few of us know that the timeline has been changed and it would take a person with two hearts and a TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimensions In Space) to be able put thing right. -Super nerdieness out of the way.

RDC if you really need a PDA then you should pick one up. Tools make ones life easier, while toys are primarily for fun. If the PDA is going to be a tool, then pick one up. If you’re more interested in the toy function, then wait.

If you’re interested: I have a tangerine Visor with keyboard, 32mB Smart Memory card, SM Spring Board with backup software, external dock, and spare color styluses. Give me an email if you want to bid. (I’m fair, I let an Apple MP120 go for 150 to a kid that I knew would use and take care of it.) Eniregnat at Hotmail dot com

aasmund
May 15, 2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by sparks9
It's Ericsson not Eriksson. Is it reliable if the source can't spell this right?

Actually it's Sony Ericsson...

visor
May 16, 2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by cubist

And we've already heard that 10.2.5 now supports the P800, so this rumor probably is a confused report of that fact. The only part that makes no sense is connecting it to the Cinema Display.


I've seen a powermac 400 rnning 10.2.5 crash after it tied to connect to a p800 via bluetooth.
That has been fixed in 10.2.6 so you will probably want to upgrade.

However, isync doesn't work yet (I expect it to be compatible with symbian around the WWDC)