Oh, how apple lies

[I'mAMac]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come on!

[Warbrain]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come on!

It says for most graphics and games. It's not the best thing in the world, but for the people who are buying iMacs, it's enough. The iMac is a consumer machine, not a pro machine.

[stevehp]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come on!

I understand where you're coming from, but a VAST majority of people have no idea what a video card is in the first place let alone 128mb NVIDIA 7300 GT - that's just gibberish to them...

[kettle]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come

I'm still amazed by the difference in performance from when I upgraded my 16MB RagePro to a 64MB Radeon 8500.

I'm guessing that you are not easily amazed and perhaps even worse, you are only impressed by whatever the one 'I AM' greatest thing today is, everything else being a trivial annoyance.

Kinda leaves no space for the hopes of lesser dreams. I hope that one day you will find happiness.

I like you but come on.

[Demon Hunter]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come on!

Mediocre? It's not that bad. It plays World of Warcraft like butter. :)

[liketom]

if i had a 24" i'd be playing with it all the time :D

o yeah the graphics are ok but what do i know :rolleyes:

[I'mAMac]

I'm still amazed by the difference in performance from when I upgraded my 16MB RagePro to a 64MB Radeon 8500.

I'm guessing that you are not easily amazed and perhaps even worse, you are only impressed by whatever the one 'I AM' greatest thing today is, everything else being a trivial annoyance.

Kinda leaves no space for the hopes of lesser dreams. I hope that one day you will find happiness.

I like you but come on.

I'm very happy with my x1600 in my iMac. I dont need the greatest thing out there. All im pointing out is that apple is saying that the standard gfx card in the 24" iMac is "amazing" which it isn't. As another post mentioned above, most people don't even know what a graphics card is so by saying that it is amazing, you are misleading people.

[jsw]

... most people don't even know what a graphics card is so by saying that it is amazing, you are misleading people.
No, because, to those people, it will be amazing.

Besides which, who believes advertising hyperbole anymore? Factual items in ads should be, well, factual, but adjectives and adverbs? We all know they're exaggerations.

[I'mAMac]

Though in macs graphics cards are always better than they are in PC's.

[kettle]

I'm very happy with my x1600 in my iMac. I dont need the greatest thing out there. All im pointing out is that apple is saying that the standard gfx card in the 24" iMac is "amazing" which it isn't. As another post mentioned above, most people don't even know what a graphics card is so by saying that it is amazing, you are misleading people.

No, it's amazing. Your problem happens to be that you don't think it is. If everyone you asked said it was amazing you might just be convinced, but I doubt it.

Perhaps you have become desensitised to the joys of amazement.

..here are some relatively common things you should be amazed by...

Electricity.
Sanitation.
Medicine.

How you find it so easy to remain sheltered, clothed, fed and watered without it taking up more than the bare minimum of your precious free time.

Perhaps if you re-calibrated your outlook.

Try saying out loud - "The 24" iMac has mediocre graphics."

Now that would be misleading.

[MAcNIAC]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come on!

i agree with you - though i doubt you'll get much support here.
how dare you speak poorly of our beloved?

they should be upfront... "the 7300GT has great performance for non 3D tasks and offers acceptable performance for an introduction to 3D gaming", for ground breaking 3D performance upgrade to ....

BTW - apple seems to have removed any reference to the GMA950 being able to play the "latest games"!?! now THAT was BS.

[bearbo]

Though in macs graphics cards are always better than they are in PC's.

eh no... apple tend to underclock graphic cards to reduce heat and noise

and what's with people feeling the NEED to put down PC?

BTW - apple seems to have removed any reference to the GMA950 being able to play the "latest games"!?! now THAT was BS.
because new games came out that that card doesn't support anymore, therefore it's BS? either you have problem with being logical, or expressing your logic

[MAcNIAC]

No, it's amazing. Your problem happens to be that you don't think it is. If everyone you asked said it was amazing you might just be convinced, but I doubt it.

Perhaps you have become desensitised to the joys of amazement.

..here are some relatively common things you should be amazed by...

Electricity.
Sanitation....

Now that would be misleading.

by that logic apple could sell refurbished apple ][e's - and call them amazing!

Apple's venerable ][e with it's 1.00Mhz processor; 16 Kb of ROM ; 64 Kb of RAM; and Display@ 280x192 will AMAZE you with games like "asteroids", "pacman", "karataka" and "conan".:D

eh no... apple tend to underclock graphic cards to reduce heat and noise

and what's with people feeling the NEED to put down PC?

[QUTOE=MAcNIAC]BTW - apple seems to have removed any reference to the GMA950 being able to play the "latest games"!?! now THAT was BS.

because new games came out that that card doesn't support anymore, therefore it's BS? either you have problem with being logical, or expressing your logic[/QUOTE]

um ... no, i just dont have my rose colored glasses on. those "new" games that came out, came out about 2years before the macbooks / intel mini's.

[Sayer]

You can upgrade to the 7600 GT w/256 RAM for $125. If you can afford the 24" iMac, another $125 won't kill you to get a bump in graphics performance, if you thought you'd really need it.

BTW: you failed to prove why Apple is "lying" about the specs. If anything, that comment is more egregious than any marketing Apple is putting out about the iMac.

[MAcNIAC]

You can upgrade to the 7600 GT w/256 RAM for $125. If you can afford the 24" iMac, another $125 won't kill you to get a bump in graphics performance.



exactly - and that's why it's important apple doesnt overstate the capability of the 7300GT. There could be lots of angry owners (who would have happily spent the extra $125) when they find out how "unAMAZING" their very expensive 24" iMac is at 3D games.

[Scarlet Fever]

exactly - and that's why it's important apple doesnt overstate the capability of the 7300GT. There could be lots of angry owners (who would have happily spent the extra $125) when they find out how "unAMAZING" their very expensive 24" iMac is at 3D games.

a majority of the buyers of the 24" iMac aren't looking for the best gaming platform on the face of the planet. Gamers would have either the Mac Pro because of its PCIe expandability, or a PC because its cheaper than the Mac Pro and can run more GPUs.

I'm not a hardcore gamer myself, but i can cope with the quality at which my MacBook plays Halo. I'm sure a 24" iMac would look "amazing" to me.

and besides, its all just advertising anyway. Apple aren't about to say "look this GPU is honestly a turd of a card", are they. It's a GPU capable or running a lot of todays games at good quality.

[bearbo]

because new games came out that that card doesn't support anymore, therefore it's BS? either you have problem with being logical, or expressing your logic

um ... no, i just dont have my rose colored glasses on. those "new" games that came out, came out about 2years before the macbooks / intel mini's.

why don't you list out the titles in question? because you cannot

[MAcNIAC]

why don't you list out the titles in question? because you cannot

what?

[MAcNIAC]

why don't you list out the titles in question? because you cannot

why dont you address the topic rather than my html skills?

i'm done with this. time to go play with my G2 shuffle and check when my MBP C2D is shipping. bye

[Cassie]

^^ Ooh, I love these hate threads :rolleyes:

[Dont Hurt Me]

Me too! Lets face it Apple has a long history of spinning Video cards. Long history indeed. The 7300Gt is a good little card but when you start having to push 24 inches of display you better be spinning lots of yarn. Hence Apple's little spin phrases. Be glad they didnt use a GMA 950 $4 graphics chip. Be glad they offer a 7600Gt.

[Nym]

I don't agree, the fact is that this forum is as misleading as Apple.
I'll explain:

When I began thinking about buying a 24 Incher I started researching for user opinions about it. From reading some threads here about the 7300GT, the feedback that guys like you gave me always made me think that such GPU was a big piece of crap. I couldn't afford the upgrade to the 7600GT so I didn't.
When I bought the 24" iMac base model I was thinking (taking into consideration what I'd read at some posts here) that I wouldn't be able to play Counter Strike:Source at a decent frame rate (1024x768) in max settings and was really worried. However, when I loaded Windows, installed some games (HL2, CS:S, DOD:S, SWAT4, FEAR, BF2) I realized that I was completely wrong about the power of the graphics card I had inside, I was not only able to run CS:S at 1280x1024 (which is enough by me) on max settings, I was also able to run F.E.A.R (which is a real pusher on the hardware) at 1024x768, max settings, completely fluid!! So as all the other games I'd installed ;)

So, when you say that Apple lies, it's probably true, all companies lie, it's called marketing, yet, you should remember that not everyone makes it a pre-requisite to run their games at native resolution, I play in 1280x1024 or 1024x768 and it looks beautiful to me, if Apple exaggerates in what it can do, you are doing the same in reverse, putting it down lower than it really is.

Just one more question, do you actually own a 24" iMac with the 7300GT? :o

PS - I'm not bashing you in any way, just defending what's mine and giving my opinion :)

[MacBoobsPro]

I think the OP needs to remember that most new iMac purchases are going to be made by people upgrading from older machines most likely with only 32mb or even 16mb VRAM. Going from 32MB to 128MB will be quite a good experience. Possibly even amazing to a point.

Volumetric smoke and dynamic lighting anyone?

When I went from 128VRAM to 256VRAM even that was quite an experience. I was already using max setting on most things so no new visual experiences were born with 256 but it did scroll more like butter.

[Markleshark]

Ridiculous thread.

What do you expect Apple Marketing to say 'Yeah, we lashed this 128meg graphics card thingy in, it does the job, not the best, but hey. What you gonna do?' I doubt it. Its far from a bad graphics card, so as far as most people go it will do just fine.

Anyway, as far as im concerned the Apple II was amazing. The Mac Pro is Amazing. The iMac is what? 3 or 4 inches thin, THAT IS amazing, so surely anything that goes in there is amazing too.

:rolleyes:

[PlaceofDis]

its not a built to order gaming machine. its somewhat higher end consumer model. simple as that.
its a good card. its not the latest and greatest, but then again if it was, people would be complaining about the price being that much higher too.
its all about what fits in where and how the prices end up matching up.

[MisterMe]

Ridiculous thread.

...

:rolleyes:Agreed. There is no ISO, IEEE, mil-spec, or any other standard for the term amazing.

[Warbrain]

Agreed. There is no ISO, IEEE, mil-spec, or any other standard for the term amazing.

Although it would be funny. I think that it should be considered.

[mdntcallr]

Quote from Apple store: "The NVIDIA 7300 GT that comes standard in your 24-inch iMac provides amazing performance for most graphics tasks and games." Now the 7300gt that comes with the 24inch is 128mb and mediocre at best. Do they think that everyone looking at their site has no idea what a computer is? I like apple but come on!

the lower end graphics card on the 24" imac is ok. the optional graphics card you can upgrade to is better.

if it is such a bad card for you, pay more for the better graphics card. and stop bitching.

[Swarmlord]

What exactly are you trying to run that the 7300GT doesn't meet your expectations?

[brikeh]

the lower end graphics card on the 24" imac is ok. the optional graphics card you can upgrade to is better.

if it is such a bad card for you, pay more for the better graphics card. and stop bitching.

Word :D

[andrefrancis]

No, it's amazing. Your problem happens to be that you don't think it is. If everyone you asked said it was amazing you might just be convinced, but I doubt it.

Perhaps you have become desensitised to the joys of amazement.

..here are some relatively common things you should be amazed by...

Electricity.
Sanitation.
Medicine.

How you find it so easy to remain sheltered, clothed, fed and watered without it taking up more than the bare minimum of your precious free time.

Perhaps if you re-calibrated your outlook.

Try saying out loud - "The 24" iMac has mediocre graphics."

Now that would be misleading.

I like the cut of your jib, Kettle ... you've clearly got spunk and a discerning turn of phrase.

I have just procurred an iMac ... I bought it because the machine and I both have style in abundance and ... mmm ... because it's not a PC.

The wide-eyed innocents need a gentle prod occasionally ... although perhaps not with a lump hammer ... and remember, lies are just truths told in a different way.

Andre

[bearbo]

why dont you address the topic rather than my html skills?

i'm done with this. time to go play with my G2 shuffle and check when my MBP C2D is shipping. bye

um ... no, i just dont have my rose colored glasses on. those "new" games that came out, came out about 2years before the macbooks / intel mini's.

i did not address your html skill, however horrible they are, i am asking you what are the titles of game that you said came out 2 yrs before macbooks / intel minis...

typical republican cut and run :D

[JAT]

Saying, "the marketing department lied!" is redundant and boring. Don't the trolls have anything else to talk about here? All of these are far more egregious than the discussion above:

Walmart ads currently claim they sell the same model TVs as high-end theater stores for a fraction of the price.
Best Buy claims to have employees that can figure out exactly what TV will suit you best. And install it for you.
GM has gone so far as to say you can get the same performance out of a $15K Pontiac as a $100K BMW.
Lite beer ads continue to say they taste the same as actual beer.

Just ignore ads, unless you are watching/reading for enjoyment, like during the Super Bowl. I don't get how anyone cares, anymore. The marketing on this planet is so far over the top as to be comical at this point.

[iMeowbot]

I don't agree, the fact is that this forum is as misleading as Apple.
The frame rate benchmarks that get thrown around do get silly after a while, because they ignore the whole concept of diminishing returns. People aren't able to process as much information, or react as quickly to things, as we like to believe.

[I'mAMac]

Ok if i Offended anyone by posting this im sorry. I didn't want people in this forum to start disliking me for an opinion, my bad

[bousozoku]

Ok if i Offended anyone by posting this im sorry. I didn't want people in this forum to start disliking me for an opinion, my bad

I'm not sure anyone was offended but I don't understand the issue.

If every company told the truth about their products, we probably wouldn't buy any of them. Every product out there receives marketing hype(rbole) and some of them really need it.

If the nVidia 7300GT was "sensible", "practical", or "capable", would anyone want it? "You can play games with it and it's adequate, so just don't expect too much." That would certainly drive sales.

[Sesshi]

Word :D

Does a $70 retail card have any place in a $2000 desktop computer, even with a 24" monitor? That seems to be essentially the point the original poster is making.

The 7300GT is I believe referred to as 'low-end performance' these days.

The frame rate benchmarks that get thrown around do get silly after a while, because they ignore the whole concept of diminishing returns. People aren't able to process as much information, or react as quickly to things, as we like to believe.

You are well beneath the point of diminishing returns with the 7300GT, especially with a 24" monitor.

[socalboomer]

with fear of drawing the wrath upon a newbie to this forum. . . :D

You're right - the 7300 is considered a LOW end card. nVidia's MID-ranged card is the 7600, mid-ranged performance card is the 7800, and their performance card is the 7900/7950 (with the 8800 series on the close horizon and :eek: :eek: :eek: )

Marketing lies, yes, but shouldn't we scream at them when they do?

[benpatient]

You guys actually enjoy playing games at 1024x768 on an LCD screen with a native res of 1920x1200? like butter? maybe curdled, melted butter...

now THAT is "amazing"!

*roll*

[R.R.Mac]

guys i dont know what you are all complaining about! My iBook G4 1.33 power PC processer with these graphics
ATI Mobility Radeon 9550:

Chipset Model: ATY,M12
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
VRAM (Total): 32 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x4e56
Revision ID: 0x0080
ROM Revision: 113-xxxxx-117
Displays:
Color LCD:
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1024 x 768
Depth: 32-bit Color
Built-In: Yes
Core Image: Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported

Runs every game that i have tried (world of warcraft, battlefield thing, Medal of honor (etc) and all films) perfectally. They run great, they dont slow down and they are perfect on high graphics:) i dont know what you are all complaing about !

[Nym]

You guys actually enjoy playing games at 1024x768 on an LCD screen with a native res of 1920x1200? like butter? maybe curdled, melted butter...

now THAT is "amazing"!

*roll*

Yep, I play games on 1024x768 on a 24" iMac and I guarantee you they look great anyway (and flawless fluid), I'm not picky to only want 1920x1200, maybe if I was rich I would think like that, but with my economical status I feel very happy and absolutely love the way my stock iMac runs those hardware intensive games. Too bad not everyone can afford a BTO with the 7600 and 2GB RAM and have to settle for the "low-end" card. For a low end, it kicks ass anyway :rolleyes:

[Sesshi]

Yep, I play games on 1024x768 on a 24" iMac and I guarantee you they look great anyway (and flawless fluid), I'm not picky to only want 1920x1200, maybe if I was rich I would think like that, but with my economical status I feel very happy and absolutely love the way my stock iMac runs those hardware intensive games. Too bad not everyone can afford a BTO with the 7600 and 2GB RAM and have to settle for the "low-end" card. For a low end, it kicks ass anyway :rolleyes:

Well... maybe the addition of the Jobs Reality Distortion Field ups the perceived performance of a card. A 7900GS (really a GT) would be pretty much the minimum I'd be considering for a general purpose card these days on a supposedly 'premium' computer.

[Nym]

Well... maybe the addition of the Jobs Reality Distortion Field ups the perceived performance of a card. A 7900GS (really a GT) would be pretty much the minimum I'd be considering for a general purpose card these days on a supposedly 'premium' computer.

lol, of course everyone here would like that the 24" iMac would come equipped with a 7900GS, we also would like that the Mac Minis would be cheaper and so on... however, it's not our decision to make, it's Apple's. And since they ship the iMac with the 7300GT, whoever can't afford more than that will have to content themselves, just the way I did, and found out that such GPU can actually fulfill my needs (so far). Who knows? maybe in a year or so more MXM/EFI GPU's start showing up and we'll be able to upgrade the crappy 7300 :)
Still, i'm 100% certain that the iMac was the best buy I ever made, it's an amazing machine :D

[Teddy's]

For me, the imacs have nice graphics.
Of course if I knew I would play World of Werewolves, Zalion 3, Ragefelt 2, Lionheart, Helmet of Duty and The Legend of Melba: Xilophone of Fire...

... I would have to learn what Graphic Cars really are.

(...and what Games really are)

[Rychiar]

who uses a mac for hardcore gameing anyway, jeez. the new imac runs Second Life like butter next to my iMac G5, all good for me:p

[Gamey]

Oh well!!

I've just bought a 24" Imac with a 7600 256Mb graphics card. It runs very well!
I bought it to compliment my ageing 17" Powerbook G4 which is really struggling with Aperture. The Imac runs Aperture and PS together on two seperate monitors (the 24" Imac one and a 24" Dell one) w/o any fuss or real waiting.
I have come from a background of highest spec PCs which were good for somethings but always I had a hankering for an Apple laptop (a better mobile workshop I have yet to find). The Imac is certainly no slouch when faced with processing thousands of RAW files from a day's shooting......I'm not sure about it's gaming ability because I don't own any games and I never bought it for gaming, but as a pro photographer's main computer I would say go for it with the 256mb card, simply because Aperture works better with it than it does with a 128Mb one.