KDE 3.1 on X11 [Archive] - MacRumors Forums

szark

Apr 24, 2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by macktheknife
Is there any way to confine the KDE desktop to its own window to avoid conflict between the KDE and OS X desktop?

Here's a picture to show you what I mean.

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bigphil/graphics/desktop.jpeg

I don't think you can do this with Apple's X11 package. If you use XDarwin (http://www.xdarwin.org/) instead, you can switch between the two window environments in full screen mode. Not exactly what you want, but it might work for you.

macktheknife

Apr 25, 2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by szark
I don't think you can do this with Apple's X11 package. If you use XDarwin (http://www.xdarwin.org/) instead, you can switch between the two window environments in full screen mode. Not exactly what you want, but it might work for you.

I had uninstalled XDarwin before installing X11. Can I reinstall it and still use X11? Will it cause any conflicts?

shadowfax

Apr 25, 2003, 01:17 AM

I have Apple's X11 and KDE 3.1 running AWESOME on my tibook.

i'll just do a quick walkthrough of how to do this from the first block.

get rid of XDarwin. it's a nasty bitch to get to run with apple's X11, though it can be done, i am told. then get apple's x11 and the SDK from their site.

after that's done, gotta grab fink. follow these (http://fink.sourceforge.net/download/index.php) instructions. don't get fink commander though, i think it's much more of an immersive experience to gird up your loins and jump into the terminal.

open a new terminal window. type:

sudo apt-get bundle-kde

this will download the latest stable release of KDE.

after you do this, you'll want to make a .xinitrc file to start KDE when you open X11.

in terminal, hit

pico ~/.xinitrc

you'll get a pretty, empty box in which to enter text. enter:

source /sw/bin/init.sh
/sw/bin/startkde

save this by hitting ctrl+x and responding in the affirmitive to saving it.

now, you can open up X11 and KDE should start. you may have to wait a good while. when you get it all set up, if there is a background dominating your desktop so you can't see your mac desktop, you can click on the start applications button, go to settings, then open control panel. there, you can go to the "desktop" tab, and select the "behavior" subtab. here, you can turn off the "enable desktop icons." you can adjust the panel on the bottom by right clicking it and selecting "configure panel." this will let you put it on the top, bottom, right, and so on. play with it till you get it out of the way of the dock.

KDE is highly customizable. go to www.kde-look.org if you want to theme it. it's a little complicated to figure out, but you can email me with any specific questions if you want. i wouldn't pretend to know it all, but i manage to get around. i learned it all by playing around recklessly, and RTFM, of course ;)

here is my desktop with KDE up:
http://www.deskmod.com/?show=showskin&skin_id=28980

Jeffx342

Apr 25, 2003, 08:17 AM

Shadowfax " open a new terminal window. type:
sudo apt-get bundle-kde

ok I did this in Terminal it says "E: Invalid operation bundle-kde" ?

you'll want to make a .xinitrc
-How do I make files...?

sorry I havn't done this before

sparkleytone

Apr 25, 2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Shadowfax
you'll get a pretty, empty box in which to enter text. enter:

source /sw/bin/init.sh
/sw/bin/startkde

save this by hitting ctrl+x and responding in the affirmitive to saving it.

make sure the file ends with a blank line, or else it wont be read. other than that
Shadowfax is the man :)

jeff...when you 'pico' the file and save it, the file is created.

shadowfax

Apr 25, 2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
Shadowfax " open a new terminal window. type:
sudo apt-get bundle-kde

ok I did this in Terminal it says "E: Invalid operation bundle-kde" ?

ok, sorry, you need to type

sudo apt-get install bundle-kde

sorry... it was late, and i haven't done the install in awhile. i forgot to put in the command :o

i_wolf

Apr 25, 2003, 08:12 PM

while you are at it..... head over to www.kde-look.org and check out some of the most beautiful mods, tweaks interfaces etc.. over there for kde. There is this new tweak theme thats doing the rounds over there called karamba and its pretty incredible... it can display dynamically updated information on the desktop .... well best go and check it and it will be explained properly. I aint to good at the old explanations! :)

Jeffx342

Apr 25, 2003, 08:59 PM

can u get me the "sources.list file??

sparkleytone

Apr 25, 2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by i_wolf
while you are at it..... head over to www.kde-look.org and check out some of the most beautiful mods, tweaks interfaces etc.. over there for kde. There is this new tweak theme thats doing the rounds over there called karamba and its pretty incredible... it can display dynamically updated information on the desktop .... well best go and check it and it will be explained properly. I aint to good at the old explanations! :)

its just konfabulator for KDE...not much new there :rolleyes:

Jeffx342

Apr 25, 2003, 09:35 PM

Ok this is messed up, I cannot figure this out. My friend who is a Linux guru is having trouble figuring how to get KDE on OsX. Is it because OsX came with my 17inch? instead of upgrading it?

shadowfax

Apr 25, 2003, 10:14 PM

nope. did you follow my instructions? did that not work? it's really not that difficult to get instaled; however, if your linux guru doesn't RTFM over at fink.sourceforge.net, he's basically screwed. knowing linux won't help you if you don't figure out the quirks that throw things off.

i_wolf

Apr 25, 2003, 10:28 PM

sparkleytone, i suggest you go over to kde or kde-look.org and tell them that! Over there its the greatest thing since well... konfabulator.

i_wolf

Apr 25, 2003, 10:28 PM

oh and i forgot to mention its free and open source. Any more complaints!

Jeffx342

Apr 25, 2003, 11:30 PM

Yeah.. I did RTFM.. thanks.

cltk-shlibs
tcltk-dev
python22-shlibs
tcltk
python22
python
missing.. apparently required for some thing (apt, fink or kde.. can't recall)

yay.

"ok.. apt-get time..."
no source.list file.. excellent
no /etc/apt either
fun.. i'm no debian person.. i can handle slackware .tgz and source code...

I thought "hmm.. i bet it would be easier to compile this then to go through dependency hell".. wait... no gcc

"ok.. i'll grab gcc for him.."
wait... no cc

then i would have to grab binutils and other stuff, but no wget, or lynx, or links, so i can't bust out a recursive directory suck of the things i need from a gnu mirror.

he wants the latest, greatest version of KDE.. and i have no idea why.. aqua looks fine to me.

how do you apple people do it? are all darwin systems messed up like this, or just jeff's?

jeff: ps: don't use the password i told you not to give out or use for anything else... thanks.

shadowfax

Apr 25, 2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
Yeah.. I did RTFM.. thanks.

cltk-shlibs
tcltk-dev
python22-shlibs
tcltk
python22
python
missing.. apparently required for some thing (apt, fink or kde.. can't recall)

yay.

"ok.. apt-get time..."
no source.list file.. excellent
no /etc/apt either
fun.. i'm no debian person.. i can handle slackware .tgz and source code...

I thought "hmm.. i bet it would be easier to compile this then to go through dependency hell".. wait... no gcc

"ok.. i'll grab gcc for him.."
wait... no cc

then i would have to grab binutils and other stuff, but no wget, or lynx, or links, so i can't bust out a recursive directory suck of the things i need from a gnu mirror.

he wants the latest, greatest version of KDE.. and i have no idea why.. aqua looks fine to me.

how do you apple people do it? are all darwin systems messed up like this, or just jeff's?

jeff: ps: don't use the password i told you not to give out or use for anything else... thanks. oh, shoot. do you not have apple developer tools installed? you need the latest, i think. at any rate, GCC is on OS X if you install dev tools. i think they come with OS X on the extras CD thing that has all the APPs...

or you can snag the latest somewhere over here. (http://developer.apple.com/tools/macosxtools.html)

Jeffx342

Apr 25, 2003, 11:45 PM

THANK YOU!!! A COMPILER!!!! =D

BTW, I'm not a linux guru. On a un-related note, is there a /proc like thing on darwin?

szark

Apr 25, 2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Shadowfax
oh, shoot. do you not have apple developer tools installed? you need the latest, i think. at any rate, GCC is on OS X if you install dev tools. i think they come with OS X on the extras CD thing that has all the APPs...

or you can snag the latest somewhere over here. (http://developer.apple.com/tools/macosxtools.html)

The installer package might already be on the computer as /Applications/Installers/Developer Tools/Developer.mpkg

I stumbled across this on my TiBook when I was looking for something.

shadowfax

Apr 25, 2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
THANK YOU!!! A COMPILER!!!! =D

BTW, I'm not a linux guru. On a un-related note, is there a /proc like thing on darwin? the GCC thing is for darwin, it doesn't run via X11 or have anything to do with it. but now that you have it, you should be able to just use fink to get the stuff. there should be no problems. if there is a problem, i recommend starting from scratch with fin, now you have the dev tools. i wouldn't try to compile the packages manually. it's as easy as sudo rm -rf /sw!
then you reinstall fink and dl bundle-kde again. a word of advice: DO NOT even think about getting an unstable version of KDE. i did this back when 3.0 was in stable and 3.1 beta was in unstable, and it screwed my system over like none other from total crashes. it would run startkde, and just freeze everything. no mouse movement, nothing. don't do it!

shadowfax

Apr 25, 2003, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by szark
The installer package might already be on the computer as /Applications/Installers/Developer Tools/Developer.mpkg

I stumbled across this on my TiBook when I was looking for something. he should still DL the latest december 2002 version though. i know there is a lot of fink stuff (when you use fink to install rather than apt-get, which DLs the source packages and compiles them) uses the latest dev tools, and only the latest dev tools... it's a generally good idea to have it on hand.

Jeffx342

Apr 26, 2003, 12:05 AM

Noob question from the "linux guru"

Is there a command line tool to extract/install the developer.mpkg?

-----

Yeah, I know about evil KDE Unstable betas.. I installed it on my linux box back in the day, it farked everything up.

Also, I know GCC doesn't run within X11, but it is required so fink can compile kde, because i'm too lazy to type ./configure and ./make install

I really want a Mac now, but I need to find a few grand before doing so =x

I also want my forum e-mail confermation(sp?) to get to me so I can post under my own name...

::sigh.. how does it feel to want::

Thanks guys. You all have been a real help

[edit -- fixed my caffinated rant and some grammer errors..]

szark

Apr 26, 2003, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
Noob question from the "linux guru"

Is there a command line tool to extract/install the developer.mpkg?

Not really. You can type "open Developer.mpkg" on the command line, but the installer uses an Aqua interface.

shadowfax

Apr 26, 2003, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
I also want my forum e-mail confermation(sp?) to get to me so I can post under my own name... odd... there should be no wait on that confirmation. what's the new handle?

Jeffx342

Apr 26, 2003, 10:18 PM

still cant figure this out...
wow how tough is this...

unless someone could maybe remote to my box using ssh and help me out

shadowfax

Apr 27, 2003, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
still cant figure this out...
wow how tough is this...

unless someone could maybe remote to my box using ssh and help me out walk us through your problem. what's going wrong? what's happening, or not happening? a walkthrough of just what you have done to this point would also be helpful.

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 02:16 AM

Ok I fixed the problem needed X11 sdk.

Okay I installed all the packages. Now X11 will not start up it has a Funny "X" that replaced my mouse pointer

shadowfax

Apr 27, 2003, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
Ok I fixed the problem needed X11 sdk.

Okay I installed all the packages. Now X11 will not start up it has a Funny "X" that replaced my mouse pointer that's a good thing. it's a standard X11 pointer; it's there while it's booting up. how is X11 not working? does it just close mysteriously a minute after you start it?

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 02:38 AM

It is working under root, which is kinda weird. I guess I have to be under root to get Kde. On my other main login it looks like X11 is haulted not doing anything. When I switched to root it worked fine.

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 02:41 AM

I figured out what it was. "

after you do this, you'll want to make a .xinitrc file to start KDE when you open X11.

in terminal, hit

pico ~/.xinitrc

I screwed this up I think. When I loaded Kde It raped my Desktop I rather have it in X11 window

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 02:45 AM

I need to get rid of .xinitrc its not letting me get into X11

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 03:29 AM

Fixed it. Everything is working great. Thanks for the help.

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 03:48 AM

screenshot

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/zhenya/Picture_1.jpg

shadowfax

Apr 27, 2003, 08:45 AM

that wasn't so bad was it? congratulations!

i've had many a problem with the .xinitrc myself, lol.

Jeffx342

Apr 27, 2003, 08:48 AM

I am just wondering my folder "sw" in my HD is like 768mgs is that normal? or do I have other junk in there?

shadowfax

Apr 27, 2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
I am just wondering my folder "sw" in my HD is like 768mgs is that normal? or do I have other junk in there? it's normal after you put KDE on there. it keeps the installation packages as well as the installation, so things tend to fill up (after a 150 MB download)... i wouldn't worry about it, unless you're crammed for space. then you might want to find some packages to remove, like the TeX editor that came with KDE.

amnesiac1984

Apr 27, 2003, 05:37 PM

Okay so I finally got it working, After download KDE three times or something. I too didn't do the SDK thing. One hting thats not working though is it autoloading when I load x11.

I have to type startkde into xterm to load it, then I have to have an xterm window open or it will shutdown KDE, any Ideas? This is really cool tho, they work together so seamlessly, now its seems I have a computer that is twice as good!

shadowfax

Apr 27, 2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
Okay so I finally got it working, After download KDE three times or something. I too didn't do the SDK thing. One hting thats not working though is it autoloading when I load x11.

I have to type startkde into xterm to load it, then I have to have an xterm window open or it will shutdown KDE, any Ideas? This is really cool tho, they work together so seamlessly, now its seems I have a computer that is twice as good! did you put "/sw/bin/startkde" at the end of your ~/.xinitrc file?

macktheknife

Apr 27, 2003, 07:22 PM

Thanks for the tips thus far, Shadowfax. I've got a quick question. I would like to get rid of the top menu bar in KDE, the one that resides below my standard Apple menu bar. How do I do it? I'm also trying to make my KDE panel smaller. I have tried to adjust the size via the Control Center but to no avail. I have a screenshot here showing my desktop:

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bigphil/graphics/desktop2.jpeg

macktheknife

Apr 27, 2003, 07:36 PM

I noticed my xterm window spits out: "kicker: KMiniPager: Call to KWinInterface::setDesktopLayout(int, int, int) failed" when I click "Disable Desktop Menu" from the menu bar. Does this mean anything? :confused:

shadowfax

Apr 27, 2003, 09:08 PM

not sure about that problem in your second post, but that original problem should be solved by running the "desktop settings wizard" again and selecting for it to behave like windows or something (rather than mac OS, which i assume you choose. this should make the file etc menus show up on a per window basis inside the window rather than on an "active window" basis at the top. there is another way to change that, but i don't remember what it is.

amnesiac1984

Apr 28, 2003, 04:03 AM

Ah sweet, its all working perfectly, wel almost. How do I install things like GIMP and Karamba, do I have to download a special Darwin Version?

I'm completely new to this side of things, but its great fun. I'm posting this in konquerer, its a nice browser! Isn't this what safari is based on? although macrumors looks v different in it.

shadowfax

Apr 28, 2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
Ah sweet, its all working perfectly, wel almost. How do I install things like GIMP and Karamba, do I have to download a special Darwin Version?

I'm completely new to this side of things, but its great fun. I'm posting this in konquerer, its a nice browser! Isn't this what safari is based on? although macrumors looks v different in it. you can go through the packages list at fink.sourceforge.net to find stuff you want.

"sudo apt-get install mozilla" will get you the latest mozilla release for fink, and sudo apt-get install gimp" will get you the gimp. then you can go and detect them in KDE by running kAppFinder from the settings menu in the kMenu.

Jeffx342

Apr 28, 2003, 05:14 PM

What are the Must-Have Kde packages?
another words what would you recommend for packages?

shadowfax

Apr 28, 2003, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
What are the Must-Have Kde packages?
another words what would you recommend for packages? i would get them all, it's not any fun to pick and choose what to get out of that many packages.

Jeffx342

Apr 28, 2003, 06:21 PM

sorry for being annoying, but how do you install all the packages, what is the command?

shadowfax

Apr 28, 2003, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
sorry for being annoying, but how do you install all the packages, what is the command? sudo apt-get install bundle-kde

is the command that will DL all 150 MB of packages and install them.

Jeffx342

Apr 29, 2003, 03:45 PM

How do I remove pico ~/.xinitrc, so X11 does not start it right away. I rather type in "startkde" on X11

shadowfax

Apr 29, 2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Jeffx342
How do I remove pico ~/.xinitrc, so X11 does start it right away. I rather type in "startkde" on X11 open a terminal window (not in X11), and enter

rm ~/.xinitrc

to delete it. also, you seem to be a bit confused about the pico thing--pico is a text editor. "pico ~/.xinitrc" is a command to open/create a file named ".xinitrc" inside your home folder ("~/" is a shortcut to your home folder).