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krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 12:43 AM
im in search for some good audio, music making, software for the mac. problem is i dont know which is actually any good or what. whats a good program to use for making music on the mac? any free ware?

i know that BT and MOBY both use a mac...so what kind of software do they use..anyone know? i would imagine it would be expensive.

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 02:11 AM
hmmm... i guess no one knows so far. well..hopefully i will get some help.

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 03:31 AM
i found some software called Cubase...but i dont know much about it yet. Apperantly Moby uses it .

Dunepilot
Feb 27, 2002, 04:19 AM
You have a variety of options - one of which I use (Emagic Logic Audio 4.7).

Logic is pretty good and Logic 5 is coming to OS X imminently. Logic and Cubase are the main contenders as far as MIDI and audio sequencers are concerned.

However, have a look at ProTools Free (at www.digidesign.com) and also Digital Perfomer (don't have a URL) which also do a lot of the same things, but are more complicated.

One thing I would say is that you're well-advised to look at www.macmusic.org and post on their boards. It's a helpful site.

For a good magazine to get you started on Mac Music try Future Music or Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk)

Best of Luck!
:)

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 04:58 AM
Much thanks dunepilot. I went to macmusic and i posted there. Im new at music making so i need something more on my level but can do what the pros do...if any. Also If possible I would only want freeware. Thanks again for the help.

rEd Eye
Feb 27, 2002, 05:31 AM
Check out http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/mac/
You'll find every demo and shareware for music you could ever want.
Be sure to download the Propellerheads Reason demo while your there,as it is an excellent,fairly user friendly self contained music machine that will likely get your groove goin..

Taft
Feb 27, 2002, 12:41 PM
The free version of ProTools is most definitely the way to go for someone just starting out. It is very full featured, though your effects plug-in choices will be limited as most good ones for ProTools are not free. Other than that, this program will handle nearly everything a beginner would need: digital audio and MIDI recording, a top notch editor, etc. Very nice.

I've also had some experience with Cakewalk Metro. Its a decent beginner suite for Audio and MIDI recording. I got it via a student discount so it was really cheap.

If you don't have a card with a professional quality digital audio converter on it, you really aren't going to get professional quality sound no matter what you do. That new Analog to USB converter Digidesign put out is interesting though...it is only $500 or so (its very cheap compared to pro cards and hardware) and seems to offer similar sound quility.

My beef with all of this is that nothing is available for OS X yet!!! It seems that audio software is going to be the last to port to OS X. Makes me vey sad.

Matthew

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 02:28 PM
Thanks red eye, mrtrumbe and gocyrus.

Yeah it would be nice if i could get music making freeware for mac osx right now. I hear Logic has thier crap almost ready for osx.

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by rEd Eye
Check out http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/mac/
You'll find every demo and shareware for music you could ever want.
Be sure to download the Propellerheads Reason demo while your there,as it is an excellent,fairly user friendly self contained music machine that will likely get your groove goin..

does that demo work in classic mode??








Drugs are bad.....mkay?

madamimadam
Feb 27, 2002, 08:44 PM
Firsty, gocyrus, for someone who was not going to give any BS you sure did write out a lot of BS... why not just write out every well known commercial release and a few others to go along with it.

Just to push the previous points, if you want free, go Protools. If you really get into music and willing to pay I see 3 options but 2 that I like. To get it out of the way, I was never into Cubase but it is a very good program if you use the features it has (you never did say what in music you are doing).

Logic is my choice and with an OSX version 'round the corner it is a HEAVY contender. I have not seen in a long time because I never used it but they used to have 2 MAJOR versions of that software, micro and regular. There have always been variations of the regular version to accomodate different specific needs but the regular version is flash and has not only great MIDI handling and support BUT FANTASTIC audio handling.

On the other hand, if you are gonna look into PCI cards and other real Pro type stuff, I feel, and MANY other high users feel, that there is no option outside of a good ProTools set up.

Skandranon
Feb 27, 2002, 09:25 PM
Digital Performer, although still a non X-native, is the most robust digital audio software package out there for a reasonable price tag. I've been using it for two years now and have not found the learning curve to be too steep. Plus, the documentation is very thorough and easy to understand and reference to.

My $.02

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 10:25 PM
much thanks dudes. does logic have a demo or can i get it as freeware?

madamimadam
Feb 27, 2002, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by krossfyter
much thanks dudes. does logic have a demo or can i get it as freeware?

Unfortunatley, it has been a LONG time since I have seen a demo for it but, if it is any help, Jamiroquai love it.
:)

Might be an idea for you to try and get a <pi>R8 ;) copy of the software to test out and, if you like it, you can get a beautifully boxed version for OSX when it arrives.
:)

madamimadam
Feb 27, 2002, 10:45 PM
This link http://www.emagic.de/english/products/logic/c_audio_mac.html has a comparison chart of the different versions of Logic. I know, for me, Platnium makes like wonderful but I could get away with Gold. All depends what you want the software for, really.

Also, as a point of interest, if you do ever get into cards, Logic has a large support range, inc. Protools equipment.

To start you off though, I would use ProTools Freeware or that app that Apple is supposed to be bringing out, according to other threads. ;) ;)

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 10:54 PM
i just want to make trip hop, funk techo music all on my computer actually. i want to rock on my tibook.

madamimadam
Feb 27, 2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by krossfyter
i just want to make trip hop, funk techo music all on my computer actually. i want to rock on my tibook.

Well, as long as you are not intending to do much effecting in your sequencer, Protools Free should be ok. Logic, however, gives lots of effects and so forth as well as the ability to do things like pitch shifting and scaling of an audio track without changing the pitch. All the stuff you would want from a sequencer and more.

Taft
Feb 27, 2002, 11:05 PM
For that type of music, you might be better off getting one of those sets of software geared for the beginning electronic music artist. ProTools and the likes are great for musicians, but for someone just breaking into recording and playing music, there is a bit of overhead.

I remember Mac Addict having reviews of beginner recording software geared for techno, hip-hop, etc. They looked pretty nice. They really aren't for a serious musician, but their price tag is small enough to let beginners experiment. I record acoustic fingerstyle guitar and they even appealed to me. They just looked like fun apps to create electronic music with.

If I can find any info on the web about these titles (I can't even remember their names!) I'll post them.

Matthew

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 11:20 PM
well.... in the past i was using rebirth..when i was on a peecee....now im a mac head and im looking for something that can be pro level but also can be used by begginers. ive seen them basic music softwares and i thought they were chessy....but maybe thats not what you were talking about. i mean i want to create some of that style of music (of which i expressed above) but have the option of incorporating wave or midi files, incorporating voices from the internet ...etc. etc... i really need something with creative freedom. my first project goal is to mix philosophical talk jargon over a drumn bass/propellerhead groove base. coded language. ive got some wild ideas so i want credible software that allows for creativity. if i can get some freeware for now....awsome.!

madamimadam
Feb 27, 2002, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by krossfyter
well.... in the past i was using rebirth..when i was on a peecee....now im a mac head and im looking for something that can be pro level but also can be used by begginers. ive seen them basic music softwares and i thought they were chessy....but maybe thats not what you were talking about. i mean i want to create some of that style of music (of which i expressed above) but have the option of incorporating wave or midi files, incorporating voices from the internet ...etc. etc... i really need something with creative freedom. my first project goal is to mix philosophical talk jargon over a drumn bass/propellerhead groove base. coded language. ive got some wild ideas so i want credible software that allows for creativity. if i can get some freeware for now....awsome.!

Actually, I would like to get a new copy of Rebirth. I think it was when I upgraded to 9.0, it no longer worked.

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 11:40 PM
i guess you dig rebirth. why? just asking. i didnt know anything else....maybe some fruity loops but thats it. whats the latest rebirth for the mac....and is thier freeware for it? is it any good? would i be better off with protools or whatever else?
thanks for the help.

madamimadam
Feb 27, 2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by krossfyter
i guess you dig rebirth. why? just asking. i didnt know anything else....maybe some fruity loops but thats it. whats the latest rebirth for the mac....and is thier freeware for it? is it any good? would i be better off with protools or whatever else?
thanks for the help.

Well, these days, Fruity Loops ****s all over ReBirth though, to my weak knowledge, it has a price to go along with its extras. ReBirth is just a nice, simple program for making nice, simple sounds.

I have been out of the Rebirth loop for FAR too long though and have no idea what it is up to. As for it vs. ProTools, they are really made for different things. ProTools is a real recording and sequencing device where as ReBirth will make the music for you.

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 11:50 PM
okay...

well thats exactly what i actually want..something that will make the music for me and all i have to do is create and click, think, create, import, adjust, click, create...etc. etc. you get the point. i dont want to have to mess with external devices.

krossfyter
Feb 27, 2002, 11:52 PM
so i guess protools, cubase, logic or bias is not for me...huh?


then what is? on the mac that is.

madamimadam
Feb 28, 2002, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by krossfyter
so i guess protools, cubase, logic or bias is not for me...huh?


then what is? on the mac that is.

Well, Stuff from Propellerhead (makers of ReBirth) (Demos and info from http://www.propellerheads.se/ ),

FruityLoops (demo at http://www.fruityloops.com/English/frames.html ) and

Groovemaker (has demo at http://www.groovemaker.com/ ) for starters.... anyone else?

madamimadam
Feb 28, 2002, 12:09 AM
Sorry, forgot to mention, Fruity Loops is Win only so emulator out or software gets the kick... I'll let you decide

krossfyter
Feb 28, 2002, 12:16 AM
yeah i was wondering why fruity loops will never go to the mac....any word on this?


i gues i will have to give propellerhead a try...or groove maker...im assuming that i can get some freeware on these.

nonreflectiveobject
Feb 28, 2002, 01:32 AM
Freeware in general is usually equipped with a steep learning curve, or is extraordinarily limited. In terms of music making, do you wish to be creating loop-based music? How 'hands-off' do you want it to be? Pro Tools (also in the freeware version) is mainly dedicated to pristine audio recordings, not midi sequencing. There are some freeware apps you should not be without, however. Download Soundhack. I believe versions exist on cnet.download.com or versiontracker.com. Download Csound. Csound will be bewildering to you at first, then you will recognize its power. It's programming, though. As for applications, check out Live. It's a sequencer that is designed to be used by a live performer. Sounds like it's up your alley. Not free, but the stuff you're talking about isn't (unless it's obtained in the deceitful manner). None of the software discussed in this forum has been freeware. Sucks, but it's true. Look through download.com and versiontracker. Some quality items exist in the rivers of crap. As for sequencers, Logic is my preference, but Cubase isn't bad. Digital Performer has limitations that become apparent quickly (like the lack of VST support). You're going to find that the image of a powerbook-toting freeware denizen is entirely false. It's a difficult habit (one that consumes quite a bit of my waking life). Also, just in general. Treat the process of making music with computers with respect. Many folks make crap with Reason presets, and alot of them are getting attention. Many of us also work really hard on what we do. Some of us take it seriously. I welcome you to the world of music-making, but I ask that you take it seriously also. Anyway, enough preaching.

krossfyter
Feb 28, 2002, 02:00 AM
welcome to the boards nonreflectiveobject.
thanks for your advice and your concern. let me just say that i am very serious about creating music..just as i am as serious about my art...as i am an artist. this is why i am searching for the perfect music software for me. for one i dont mind spending some money on software that im looking for on the other hand i dont want to spend money on crappy software that i wont like and use. i prefer trying the software out before i buy it if i do buy it...and if it is in freeware i would use that first...if i like it ...ill buy the full version...if i dont....im not loosing any money.

krossfyter
Mar 3, 2002, 03:40 AM
okay ive done some searching ....and i found out that Propellerheads reason is the software for me....


anybody got a copy of it that they want to give me???


since it is not illegal to give away copies but it is illegal to sell umm!!!


i believe.

mymemory
Mar 3, 2002, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen
Firsty, gocyrus, for someone who was not going to give any BS you sure did write out a lot of BS... why not just write out every well known commercial release and a few others to go along with it...

Hey madamandamandam... gocyrus couln't say it better. If you are such smart ass why don't you tell the kid this before anything?

krossfyter:
1. Do you want to work with midi or just audio?
2. Do you know anything about midi or digital audio?

If you want free software go to tracker-tracker.com and you can download (you will have to spend some time) any software avalible.

If you do not know anything about audio editing and you do not have any body close to asist you do not bother in getting Protools or Digital Performer or any other.

Get Groovemaker for now until you get the teaste. You can try using Sound Edit16, it is a very simple, light and old program that runs on clasic but you will have a lot of fun with it even using the Groovemaker loops. Then you can jump to ProTools or other audio editor.

For midi, you will need a midi keyboard and a midi interface at list (and some kwnoledge of music please).

Get Sound Edit16, because programs like Groovemaker are sampler players only and you wont be able to EQ, pan, or add any effect to it. The very Good thing about Groovemaker is that comes with a bunch of loops in .wav format (very heavy to download by the way), and you will have your first sound library to work with.

But ger the Sound Edit 16 first, if you can do wonders with it you can go on with the others.

krossfyter
Mar 3, 2002, 04:35 PM
nah i want to do it all in the computer..... you can do this with propellerheads reason...right? i know you cant do it with digidesign and protools so thats why im not going there.

madamimadam
Mar 3, 2002, 05:44 PM
Hey, why not get your head out of gocyrus' arse and read the thread instead of asking questions already answered and explaining software that has already been explained AFTER he has chosen the software he wants to use.

Jesus, what a wanker!

neut
Mar 3, 2002, 06:59 PM
good choice with reason. id share with you if i had a fast connection (but please support good app developers and buy it if you can afford it; it lets everyone make music for less $).

i use it everyday. i have a solo project (neusound, with one local cd release) and a group project (organech, with one local demo and one full length album) that i use reason with.

it can be played live or used in a studio setting. when you start to expand, it expands easily into cubase or nuendo for midi control and recording. external midi devices (ie. keyboards, controlers, drum pads, switches, etc) can easily control reason and give you more hands on tweaking and playability.

it has the abilty to create music with loops players (rex), samplers (wav, aiff), drum machines (wav, aiff), and synths (low-to-high range synth quality). and all these can be routed through fx units (chorus/flange, phaser, delay, reverb, 2-band eq, distortion, and compressors). you can create as many of these units as your computer can handle.everything is real-time and emulates the real hardware (you can even re-route the cables coming out the back of each unit).

reason was put together for "techno" style music, but this software was used hevily by NIN's Charlie Clouser to make excellent music for NIN and others(can also be heard in the Gorilla's album and remixes). It can be used in conjunction with re-birth to take advatage of the well emulated 303, 808, and 909 (used by Clint Mansell to make most of the loops for the movie Requiem for a Dream).

if your familiar with re-birth, like you stateted, you'll quickly fall in love with reason. look out for my upcoming web sites (homepage.mac.com/organech and homepage.mac.com/neusound) for music made with reason, re-birth and a live band.

good luck krossfyter