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MacRumors
May 6, 2003, 06:23 PM
This article on Apple.com.ua (Ukraine) (http://www.apple.com.ua/articles/mac_pole.shtml) mentions the 970, the Xstation... and also MacRumors.com.

Some of the non-US Apple sites appear less "official" than others, this particular site is linked from at least one location in Apple's site. An old (?test) http://www.apple.com/jp/home/index.html (http://www.apple.com/jp/home/index.html) page links the Ukraine site from the pop-up list on the bottom.

Update:

The article appears to simply reference this article (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/11/20021124221123.shtml) on MacRumors from November -- in which the 970 and Xstation are mentioned.

Amusing, nonetheless...



macdong
May 6, 2003, 06:30 PM
I still don't think Apple is going to do XStation.
Apple has much to do in other areas, and I don't see much market for XStation.

Freg3000
May 6, 2003, 06:30 PM
Translation anyone?

MacManiac1224
May 6, 2003, 06:36 PM
can anybody translate this?

sebimeyer
May 6, 2003, 06:39 PM
How about a translation of this? For all I know it could have the worlds funniest joke in there as well. (Monty Python reference alert)

Aciddan
May 6, 2003, 06:41 PM
Here is a raw Machine Translation using Systran (www.systransoft.com):

== Executive Summary ==

I should note now that this is actually a RECURSIVE reference - They are referencing Macrumors re: Legal stuff and about supposedly leaked info

-- Dan =)


Saying about the modernization of table models, cannot it went around this theme by attention, as the sequential generation of processors for the "apple systems" - PowerPC G5. about them speak even since the beginning of the past year, and the working models must byli already it was put on the market. But in the stores their everything no and no. But here that that is located in the surplus, so this rumors.

Situation proyasnilo the anonymous interview, which was appeared at the end of November on site http://www.macrumors.com. Despite the fact that the material does not have the explicit author, the information given in it indirectly indicates that this person refers direct to company Apple Computer. The anonymity of the author is dictated, most likely, fact that in accordance with the rules of corporate behavior, accepted into Apple, colleague, who opened the details of the created products to their official announcement, waits the immediate release and, possibly, even judicial trial.

Thus, which it is discussed in the interview? It is exerted, the completely working prototype of computer PowerMac G5 existed already more than a year. But because of the complexities, which arose in company Motorola (producer of chips PowerPC) upon transfer on 0.13- m technology, the mass production of the processors of generation G5 always was put aside. And then Motorola and completely zakryla direction G5, and Apple not ostavalos' nothing other, as threw entirely even newer prototype into the pantry and it left for the searches for the new developer of microprocessors. By this developer of stala corporation IBM. In its reserve proved to be the 64- bit processor IBM PowerPC 970 (improved model Power 4) - to it- that and there wakes constructed following generation Of ma.chuov. New computers, if everything poydet in the manner that it planirovalos', they will appear in the 3rd quarter of that flowing, 2003- GO of year.

By the way, besides known already model lines, must it left one more - super-productive graphic stations xStation. But to those times maximum, what it stands it expected, this of the sequential growth of frequency in the existing one- and two-processor models with processor PPC G4.

herocero
May 6, 2003, 06:41 PM
anybody wanna tackle this translation? :) i see G5 and IBM POWERPC 970, and that's about it

TMJ1974
May 6, 2003, 06:41 PM
If this is an authentic Apple site, there is an interesting slip up in there, more than once...(look real close)......

????, ? ??? ?? ????????? ? ????????? ???????????, ????????? ??????? ???????? ?????????? PowerMac G5 ??????????? ??? ????? ????. ?? ??-?? ??????????, ????????? ? ???????? Motorola (????????????? ????? PowerPC) ??? ???????? ?? 0.13-??? ??????????, ???????? ?????? ??????????? ????????? G5 ??? ????? ????????????. ? ????? Motorola ? ????? ??????? ??????????? G5, ? Apple ?? ?????????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ?????? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????????. ???? ????????????? ????? ?????????? IBM. ? ??? ? ?????? ???????? 64-?????? ????????? IBM PowerPC 970 (??????????????????? ?????? Power 4) - ?? ???-?? ? ????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??c???. ????? ??????????, ???? ??? ?????? ???, ??? ?????????????, ???????? ? 3-? ???????? ????????, 2003-?? ????.

The specific mention of 2003, IBM PowerPC 970 and G5 are all very interesting.

If you skim through, the rest of the details, software, other Apple products are correct....also notice, when monitors are mentioned...no 30"

Can anyone validate the authenticity of this site, in relation to Apple ?

If so, the answer appears to be there. Maybe our French friends are on the money ;-)

Tim

arn
May 6, 2003, 06:46 PM
looks like they're just referencing this article posted in Nov:

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/11/20021124221123.shtml

arn

freundt
May 6, 2003, 06:47 PM
Don't bother to babel fish it.. the translation is next to unreadable. so.... anyone read russian?

Freg3000
May 6, 2003, 06:48 PM
This seems to be an actual Apple site:
http://www.apple.com.ua/
The same set up, and the top tabs are basically the same.
What a weird way for the PPC 970 rumors to be confirmed...the Apple.com site in Ukraine slips up.....:)

zigzag
May 6, 2003, 06:48 PM
The biggest in the world of notebooks, the flattest monitors, the most convenient operating systems and the fastest browsers. All from the company Apple.

In the last half-year the American company Apple noticibly activated their [????????????] and brought forward to the market some hardware and software innovations.

Traditionally, every announcement was accompanied by the words 'revolutionary', 'biggest', 'fastest', and 'most convenient'. And what's interesting, almost all of these announcements were not far from the truth.

Mac for teachers and students
To begin, lets say, from "steel". In mid-2002 the eMac G4 was announced. At first it was only available to teachers and students.... blah blah... alright I am going to jump straight to the good stuff.... bear with me...

--- IMPORTANT STUFF , well, not really ---

They say that people have been talking about the G5 since the start of the year, but they are nowhere to be seen.

Someone had submitted a story to macosrumors about the G5 annoymously and they doubt his/her information. (Apparently, these guys writing this actually have no clue about what is going on at Apple).

Next, they talk about some interview where it turns out that motorola will not make G5s and instead IBM will.

They say that there should be a new xStation line of computers soon - they will be used for cinematography (i guess)..... anyway, they say professional movie making.

------

In conclusion, this article has no information worth of any value other than the mention of an xStation, a line of computers designed for professional film/movie editing.

Bob Dobbs
May 6, 2003, 06:50 PM
heads are gonna roll...

who finds this stuff - hats off to 'em

now to translate the page

gunb0y
May 6, 2003, 06:51 PM
could an x station be running the apple music store?

voyagerd
May 6, 2003, 06:58 PM
There's a little app called Sherlock that can do the translating for you

arn
May 6, 2003, 06:59 PM
I don't think anything exciting is actually in the article... I think they are just referencing the rumors.

arn

myrdred23
May 6, 2003, 07:05 PM
Heres my translation:

"Speaking of updating current desktop models, as its impossible not to mention such a topic, or the next generation of processors for Apple Systems - the PowerPC G5. People have been talking about these since the beginning of last year, and working models should already be on sale [according to rumors]. But you still can't find them in stores. All that exists are rumors.

An anonymous interview which has appeared at the end of November on macrumors.com shed some light on the subject. Even though this material has an anonymous author, the interview indirectly gives us the idea that the author has somethind to do with Apple Computer. The anonymity of the author is most likely due to the fact that, in accordance with the rules of corporate behavior, enforced by Apple, the author, who revealed product details before official announcement, fears losing his job and, possibly even judicial trial.

Anyways, what is discussed in the interview?..."

Anyways the person goes on to basically paraphrase the interview from macrumors.com, and I'm too lazy to translate further.

This doesn't seem like an official apple press release or anything, but rather a paraphrasing of rumors from here. :P

iSmell
May 6, 2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by myrdred23

Anyways the person goes on to basically paraphrase the interview from macrumors.com, and I'm too lazy to translate further.


Damn you, lazy translation monkey! Do we not feed you enough bananas? We spent all that time teaching you russian with bananas and electrical shocks and now you don't think the one russian language based rumor in the history of mac rumor mongering is important enough for you to translate?
See Arn? I told you the russian mac rumor translation monkey project was a bad investment and you should have spent the money on a backup server instead. But you didn't listen, did you?














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MrMacMan
May 6, 2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by arn
I don't think anything exciting is actually in the article... I think they are just referencing the rumors.

arn

you should be happy your web site got on an apple page, well okay, it in another language but still.

They paraphrased you, etc...

etoiles
May 6, 2003, 08:35 PM
so what, now MR posts the news and apple posts the rumors ? :D

macdong
May 6, 2003, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by etoiles
so what, now MR posts the news and apple posts the rumors ? :D


It is weird.
Why would an official Apple site (it is official, isn't it??) post a page that redirects to a rumor?
One would think they should have at least some ideas about what Apple is doing... :confused:

myrdred23
May 6, 2003, 09:45 PM
Well that article is entitled something among the lines of "whats happening in the mac community", and they say some of us are discussing rumors, etc, which we are. Its not really an official apple press release or anything, just like a "fun to read" article.

From Win to Mac
May 6, 2003, 10:20 PM
hey, at least this time, they won't blame Canada...

Marc K

Snowy_River
May 6, 2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by From Win to Mac
hey, at least this time, they won't blame Canada...

Marc K

What?! We can't blame Canada?!? I thought that we could always blame Canada!!!

:p :D ;)

evoluzione
May 6, 2003, 10:49 PM
i wanna know how the bloomin' heck you found this! :D

nice one guv'

vniow
May 6, 2003, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by etoiles
so what, now MR posts the news and apple posts the rumors ? :D

MR is the /. of the rumor world, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until people get extremly sick of hearing it.

type_r503
May 6, 2003, 11:46 PM
A little strange they call it the PowerPC G5 (nobody uses this term), instead of the PPC970. They have made the connection for us.

Flickta
May 7, 2003, 12:47 AM
Actually... The article refers to the anonymous interview given by someone, who is thought to be working for Apple (then there goes stuff about anonymity as a result of corporative politics etc.), to the Macrumors in the end of November. There the guy mentioned that after the work on G5 was halted by Moto (difficulties with 0,13), Apple had no other way to go... but with IBM. And new generation of Macs will be based on Power 970 (which they call "the modernised version of Power4 :)) ...And 3rd quarter of 2003 is the release date.

The new model expected is xStation - ultrapowerful etc., but of course no details. Until that we can expect only minor revisions of the G4.

It is clear that all the news was taken from Macrumors and has nothing to do with ANY official information. This part of the page is entitled "Articles", and gives information from various sources, just advertizing... and entertaining.

mim
May 7, 2003, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by etoiles
so what, now MR posts the news and apple posts the rumors ? :D

This is really quite funny. Apple reports the rumor reported in MacRumors reporting on a rumor from Apple which gets re-reported on MacRumors as an Apple rumor!

Did I miss anything?

a.

aasmund
May 7, 2003, 07:52 AM
this site is oviously not official, a good fake though. at best it is the page of the official distributor in Ukraine. If you look at the bottom you see links to other company's pages wiuth which they have done the same, e.g. xerox. You will also see that the design albeit similar is not identical, there e.g. more 3d feel on the real pages. Also it might be a give away that the pages uses shtml, not apple webobjects. The company who runs it is called wega, and seems to be a distributor.

sorry folks :(

regards.

gotohamish
May 7, 2003, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by evoluzione
i wanna know how the bloomin' heck you found this! :D

nice one guv'

Anyone notice that there is no Apple Store for the Ukraine site - seems odd.

Mr. Anderson
May 7, 2003, 11:19 AM
I think everyone is getting excited about nothing new here. If the guys running the Ukrainian site are using rumors for all this speculation, then they're no better off than anyone else.

I think I'll be taking a wait and see position here.

D

NW80pdx
May 7, 2003, 11:36 AM
if apple takes such extreme legal steps to quash rumors, why on earth would they post it to an apple worldwide site, if they really wanted to answer rumors about the PPC970 or now "G5" they would've released some sort of information by now to the US, however; apple doesn't play that way, and they like to keep their buisness private. apple has never had interest in answering rumors, and they would've never posted information like that.. one day we will hear "officially" about the PPC970, even though that itself is still a rumor...

mustang_dvs
May 7, 2003, 12:22 PM
www.apple.com.ua is not registered to Apple and it is not listed in the pull-down menu of world-wide sites at the bottom of www.apple.com.

Here is the whois information, obtained from www.uwhois.com :
domain: apple.com.ua
descr: WEGA Distribution
descr: Kiev, Ukraine
admin-c: VT7-UANIC
tech-c: VT7-UANIC
nserver: ns.wn.net.ua
nserver: ns.apple.com.ua 217.20.164.221

changed: info@imena.com.ua 20020905
reg-id: ua.imena
status: OK-UNTIL 20030905
source: UANIC

nic-handle: VT7-UANIC
person: Vitaly Timchenko
address: Kiev 04112
address: Degtiarevskaya, 48, ap.404
phone: +380 44 461 92
fax-no: +380 44 461 78
e-mail: vitaly@apple.com.ua
changed: vitaly@apple.com.ua 20010329
source: UANIC

By contrast, here is the entry for www.apple.com.au (Australia):

Domain ROID: D0015199-AR
Domain Name: apple.com.au
Last Modified: 16-Nov-2002 04:12:57 UTC
Registrar ID: R00010-AR
Registrar Name: Melbourne IT
Status: ok

Registrant: Apple Computer Australia
Registrant ID: OTHER N/A

Registrant ROID: C0045595-AR
Registrant Contact Name: THE MANAGER
Registrant Email: webmaster@apple.com.au

Tech ID: C0045597-AR
Tech Name: Giovanna Ostacchini
Tech Email: webmaster@apple.com.au

Name Server: ns.apple.com.au
Name Server IP: 203.14.177.100

Name Server: yarrina.connect.com.au
Name Server IP: 192.189.54.17

Name Server: rip.psg.com

matznentosh
May 7, 2003, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Aciddan
And then Motorola and completely zakryla direction G5, and Apple not ostavalos' nothing other, as threw entirely even newer prototype into the pantry and it left for the searches for the new developer of microprocessors.

-- Dan =)

I would agree that Motorola is completly zakryla'ed. And Apple's not ostavalos nothing either.

Got to look in that pantry.

bilingual
May 7, 2003, 04:35 PM
Although it is an official Apple site, the article is just an overview of what's happening around Apple. It is written by Wega distribution (look at the bottom). International Apple sites frequently allow distributors to place their articles and whatnot. I know Russian and THERE IS NOTHING pointing out that the info is official. The guy is just doing an overview of current rumors. So, rest easy.

Arn, I would appreciate if you would clarify this. This is NOT official info.

arn
May 7, 2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by bilingual
Although it is an official Apple site, the article is just an overview of what's happening around Apple. It is written by Wega distribution (look at the bottom). International Apple sites frequently allow distributors to place their articles and whatnot. I know Russian and THERE IS NOTHING pointing out that the info is official. The guy is just doing an overview of current rumors. So, rest easy.

Arn, I would appreciate if you would clarify this. This is NOT official info.

yeah - I had added an addendum to the page 2 text... but not the post text here. just did so

arn

WM.
May 7, 2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by matznentosh
I would agree that Motorola is completly zakryla'ed. And Apple's not ostavalos nothing either.

Got to look in that pantry. ROFLMAO!!!!!

Fantastic!

WM

coumerelli
May 7, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by mustang_dvs
www.apple.com.ua is not registered to Apple and it is not listed in the pull-down menu of world-wide sites at the bottom of www.apple.com.


BUT, from the apple.com.au site there is a link in the pull down menu for the Ukraine site. Does this tell us anything? :confused:

Not that I'm implying it's offical info, just an official site that might be clueless.

KevinHoctor
May 8, 2003, 08:19 AM
I had a Ukrainian friend of mine summarize the article. Here is how he translated and summarized it:

In general, this article describing that Apple, like any other IT company should constantly use more and more powerful CPUs, bigger memory and Hard drives, more powerful Video cards.
As result - new versions of the end-user computer iMac G4 LCD and professional workstation PowerMac G4.

After that they are describing the technical parameters of these computers...

After that they are describing that in November, on the http://www.macrumors.com web site some anonymous interview was placed. interview is about the new generation of CPUs for Apple: PowerPC G5
Interview describing that working prototype of PowerMac G5 is already exists more than one year. But, Motorola (PowerPC chip maker) has some problems and cannot start mass manufacturing of G4 chips. After that, Motorola closed G4 direction at all. So, Apple started to search for another manufacturer for new CPU. And they found IBM - IBM has 64-bit CPU IBM PowerPC 970 (this is improved model of Power 4). So, next generation of Macs will be build on this CPU.

New computers should be started to produce in the 3rd quarter of current (2003) year.

Cheers! :D

Kevin

Falleron
May 9, 2003, 02:02 PM
Ok, I have not checked this out. However, take the example of the UK Apple site. The addreess is:

http://www.apple.com/uk/

So, we can suggest that the ukrane site is something similar to the uk but with its local suffix after the / . Therefore, I say this is a fake.