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AmbitiousLemon
Mar 3, 2002, 06:46 PM
Ok ive been asking a lot fo questions lately about the various p2p networks and havent gotten any really answers. im beta testing for a number of the companies/groups and cant even get much info from that experience.

i dug in and did some research about what exactly is out there and compiled a long list.

i want to know what everyone is using, what they think is best for various functions (mp3s, movies, etc) and just what is involved with all of these protocols.

currently i use:
drumbeat beta (for mp3s), carracho (for apps), limewire (when i want to be jerked around), edonkey (cuz its neat), Snak (for movies/tv shows).

Here is the list I came up with after searching high and low. (there may be a few mistakes but ill make edits as you guys point them out):
eDonkey
http://www.edonkey2000.com/

Hotline
http://www.bigredh.com
Fancy
http://members.tripod.com/wasbeer/fancy_doc/README.html
frogBlast
Hotgrabber
HXD
inkspot
panorama
pitbull
ripcord
hotline connect
htlx
tube

Haxial
http://www.haxial.com/products/kdx/

Carracho
http://www.carracho.com

Direct Connect
http://javadc.sourceforge.net/

streamload
http://www.streamload.com/

Gnutella:
limewire
http://www.limewire.com/
mactella
http://www.cxc.com/downloads.html
aquisition
http://www.xlife.org/aquisition.php
MacPhex
furi
liberty

Multiple:
iswipe
http://www.hillmanminx.com/
MP3 Rage
http://www.chaoticsoftware.com/ProductPages/MP3Rage.html

OpenNap:
XNap
http://xnap.sourceforge.net/
drumbeat
http://www.drumbeat.info
macigator
napster minibrowser
smacigator
rapster
belgonap
jnapster
mapigator
maxter

AudioGalaxy
sputnik
http://www.biggerplanet.com/unsupported/sputnix.html
MacSatellite
http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11686&db=mac
OpenAG
http://homepage.mac.com/macdomeeu/dev/current/openag/

IRC
Athena
http://athena.paladinmacs.com/
hypIRC
Snak
ShadowIRC
JIM
JediKnight
MacBitchX
MacIRC
Metrotalk
nIRC
PhatIRC
smIRCle
BlitzFly
http://diabolo.clockerz.net/blizflitz.html
cIRCe
http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=902&db=mac
Els
http://www.elsinc.com/files.html
IRCLE

FTP
captain ftp
gideon
simpleftp
osXigen
Beehive
fetch
Filefetcher
Hefty
netFinder
Transmit
UFTP
Vicomsoft FTP Client

arn
Mar 3, 2002, 08:17 PM
Depends on what you are looking for...

For the Mac...

MP3's => Audiogalaxy
DIVX's => eDonkey2000 / usenet

arn

irmongoose
Mar 4, 2002, 04:37 AM
arn, I owe it to you.. I downloaded Sputnix, and it ROCKS!!! It's much easier than Limewire, and MUCH MUCH faster, and it even has international songs! (I was searching for over an hour in Limewire for a japanese song, and finally i gave up, installed sputnix, set up an account for audiogalaxy, and i got the song immediately)


by the way, for big programs.... Caraccho is THE best. But be careful, using this is going WAY over the law boudaries....

and for smaller programs, i will still use Limewire.




irmongoose

krossfyter
Mar 4, 2002, 04:41 AM
okay how is it going over the law boundaries? whos law?

i thought it was illegal to sell copied software but not illegal to share it or copy it. ive heard that not even the fbi can touch you.

irmongoose
Mar 4, 2002, 05:31 AM
of course its illegal. you can share it within your own family and stuff, but not with other people like you do in Carracho.

but, these people who make servers on Carracho have an excuse - they say that they are just using it as a backup drive.

so then, of course the FBI cant touch them.


and you're talking about music CDs - you can share them, but you cant sell them. software is totally different.


irmongoose

krossfyter
Mar 4, 2002, 06:18 AM
well from what I heard on tech live...

that dude who downloaded a bunch of software from some apple computers at compusa with his iPod .....they said that that wasnt illegal since he wasnt selling the software....compusa had no case against him. they made it a point to say that the law needs to be rewritten in order to make the oppurtunity of software copying illegal.


thats just what i heard from tech lives silicon spin. of course i could have heard wrong.

arn
Mar 4, 2002, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by krossfyter
well from what I heard on tech live...


I've posted this a few times...

Copying commerical software is illegal - it doesn't matter if you sell it or not. Same with any copyrighted material... including music/movies.

arn

arn
Mar 4, 2002, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by irmongoose

but, these people who make servers on Carracho have an excuse - they say that they are just using it as a backup drive.

so then, of course the FBI cant touch them.

and you're talking about music CDs - you can share them, but you cant sell them. software is totally different.


The "Backup" excuse is not one that carries any legal weight... and this _does_ apply to music CD's. Illegal to copy - not just to sell. (why do you think Napster got shut down?)

In general, all P2P apps are somewhat fringe topics in that much of the activity on them is illegal... and as a result, I prefer that specifics not be discussed... general discussions about them is acceptable...

arn

irmongoose
Mar 4, 2002, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by arn


The "Backup" excuse is not one that carries any legal weight... and this _does_ apply to music CD's. Illegal to copy - not just to sell. (why do you think Napster got shut down?)

In general, all P2P apps are somewhat fringe topics in that much of the activity on them is illegal... and as a result, I prefer that specifics not be discussed... general discussions about them is acceptable...

arn


ok. thanks for clearing that up, arn. i'll be careful not to talk about this stuff much then. :)


hey arn, you can get an avatar now! :):)


irmongoose

krossfyter
Mar 4, 2002, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by arn


I've posted this a few times...

Copying commerical software is illegal - it doesn't matter if you sell it or not. Same with any copyrighted material... including music/movies.

arn


hmmm obviously there are two sides to this coin.... i hear from credible people as yourself quite the opposite. but since were not suppost to talk about this i will stop from going any further. ill take your word for it. thanks.

arn
Mar 4, 2002, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by krossfyter



hmmm obviously there are two sides to this coin.... i hear from credible people as yourself quite the opposite. but since were not suppost to talk about this i will stop from going any further. ill take your word for it. thanks.

we can certainly talk about the legality of it... I just don't think it's appropriate for people to discuss specific trading/sharing.

You can research it yourself... but it's a pretty basic definition of the whole concept of a copyright

http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html#wci

Here's a FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/law/copyright/myths/part1/ on copyright law myths:

2) "If I don't charge for it, it's not a violation."

False. Whether you charge can affect the damages awarded in court, but that's essentially the only difference. It's still a violation if you give it away -- and there can still be heavy damages if you hurt the commercial value of the property.

And again - think to yourself - Why was napster shut down if it's not illegal?

arn

krossfyter
Mar 4, 2002, 09:49 AM
okay thanks arn...im on my way to read those links.

from what i can gather on why napster was shut down is because the government wants music package sellers to still be in business....it helps out the econmy (so they think) as compared to napster remaining up with out the users having to pay. the argument of copying music as being illegal is the surface excuss to add weight and validity to hide and turn attention away from thier shadow motive. i could be wrong.

arn
Mar 4, 2002, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by krossfyter
okay thanks arn...im on my way to read those links.

from what i can gather on why napster was shut down is because the government wants music package sellers to still be in business....it helps out the econmy (so they think) as compared to napster remaining up with out the users having to pay. the argument of copying music as being illegal is the surface excuss to add weight and validity to hide and turn attention away from thier shadow motive. i could be wrong.

heh.... or the more simple (less conspiracy theory) reason being "it's illegal"... besides - these aren' mutually exclusive... even if you do believe that the govt wants the music-industry in business doesn't mean that it can't also be against the law.

besides... the govt didn't bring the suit against napster... the music industry did.

regardless... just read the above links...

arn