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MacRumors
May 14, 2003, 01:02 PM
MacBidouille claims (http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-05-14#5542) that the 15" Powerbook supplies are dwindling.



DHagan4755
May 14, 2003, 01:07 PM
Where are they getting that info? I just went to the Apple Store and it still says "Same Day Shipping."

vniow
May 14, 2003, 01:14 PM
Hmmm...not according to MacPrices 15" Powerbook tracker... (http://www.macprices.com/g4tracker.shtml)

visor
May 14, 2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Where are they getting that info? I just went to the Apple Store and it still says "Same Day Shipping."

Never mind those time indications.
I went to the the applestore over 2 weeks ago to order an IPod. It said shipping in 8-10 days.
I't not even build yet much less shipped or arrived here.
Actually this always happens when I order something at the Apllestore. No order I've placed there was delivered in under 3 weeks yet.
Anyway, If supplies are dwindeling, it does mean that they still have some and can quickly pack em up and ship them, right?

It doesn't mean however that the new PB 's will be out before the WWDC. Remember 5gig IPods where also out for about 4 months before the new ones came up?

Sun Baked
May 14, 2003, 01:27 PM
Sort of have to wonder... rumor mongers have been saying there has been an oversupply of TiBook 15s that Apple is trying to burn through, then technical problems, then re-engineering, 970s, etc. :rolleyes:

Just sort of interesting the turns things have taken since Steve delayed OS 9 boot-death. ie, speed bumped iBooks and updated SDR eMacs -- both still OS 9 bootable.

freundt
May 14, 2003, 02:09 PM
...and?

so this means that they current supply is down - makes sense in regards to the anticipation of a new release.... Still doesn't mean 970 powerbooks or anything... I mean, who here doubts the 15" will be updated soon?

Grumble, grumble, grumble....

Escher
May 14, 2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Where are they getting that info?

Here's the original text from MacBidouille:
Selon une source bien informée en Europe, les stocks de Powerbook 15" Ti sont pratiquement épuisés. Il ne reste que quelques modèles Superdrive.
La date de réapprovisionnement de ces machines est fixée au 13 Juin, alors que tout le reste de la gamme est au 28 mai.

Here's my translation:

According to a well-informed source in Europe, stock of 15" PowerBooks is almost down to zero. There are only a few SuperDrive models left.
The restocking date for those PowerBooks is June 13, while the restock date for the rest of the line is May 28.

It's not clear whether "those PowerBooks" refers only to the SD model or to all 15" PowerBooks. It's also not clear whether the "rest of the line" refers to the rest of the PowerBook line of the rest of the entire line, i.e. laptops and desktops.

Escher

maradong
May 14, 2003, 02:46 PM
MacBidouille posts the following.

Selon une source bien informée en Europe, les stocks de Powerbook 15" Ti sont pratiquement épuisés. Il ne reste que quelques modèles Superdrive.
La date de réapprovisionnement de ces machines est fixée au 13 Juin, alors que tout le reste de la gamme est au 28 mai.

After a well informed source in Europe, the stocks of the 15'' PB are nearly gone. There are only some models with superdrive left.
The restock date is fixed @ the 13 June, the rest of the line will be restocked on the 28 th may.

Now, do you think they will not update it @ the WWCD, as from the 13 june to the 20 th, it seems quiet improbable? huh?

dennis88
May 14, 2003, 03:26 PM
hmm, maybe I should wait for the 15" after all?
It's driving me crazy!

If I knew that the new 15" will come in june, then I would wait.

greg6028
May 14, 2003, 04:10 PM
My take is that we might see a dual G4 PowerBook. But I think Steve is going to introduce a new 970 desktop, not a new PowerBook. (that is going to happen SFMW 2004)

Has he ever introduced both a new Desktop and PowerBook and the same time?

Escher
May 14, 2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by maradong
Now, do you think they will not update it @ the WWCD, as from the 13 june to the 20 th, it seems quiet improbable? huh?

Merçi pour la deuxième traduction, maradong. :)

I had completely forgotten that June 13 is the date of Jobs' WWDC keynote, which coincides with the restock date indicated by MacBidouille. Of course this coincidence can be either planned by Apple, or planned by the person who planted a false rumor. IMO, it's the former, since MacBidouille quotes a "well-informed source."

Escher

babu
May 14, 2003, 04:32 PM
:D hey, I feel so bad about the whole powerbook thing. I got one last march for 4,000 @ 667mghz. and have been trying to get a new computer because the speed is so slow. But, I hope that they come out with A more powerfull 12in so that when/if they upgrade I willl be able to get a new mobile for typing and doing homework on, and then have a dualy maxed out for my desktop, so that I can do video apps. Ohh, I should say that I would never by from a store that sells apple rather than the one online, because they sometimes have better options for your apple. I boaght the cube from them wwhen it first came out and got 20 gigs more one it than any that they offered in the stores, and it came about a week before any other store was able to get them in stock, and qith my Ipod, I ordered it on tues, and got it Fri in the morning, so I must have been really lucky, if for some of you it takes 3 weeks. But look on the site anyway before you buy, and see if you can get a more space than in a store, because an extra 20gigs is alot of space

Snowy_River
May 14, 2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by greg6028
My take is that we might see a dual G4 PowerBook. But I think Steve is going to introduce a new 970 desktop, not a new PowerBook. (that is going to happen SFMW 2004)

Has he ever introduced both a new Desktop and PowerBook and the same time?

Well, actually, the G3 was introduced in the PowerBook about one week before the Power Mac. So, anything is possible.

I do hope that this is true. I'm holding my breath trying to squeak by on this old PB3400 until the 15" is updated....

So, please don't let me hear anyone complain about how slow a 667 G4 PB is. ;)

joelc
May 14, 2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Snowy_River
Well, actually, the G3 was introduced in the PowerBook about one week before the Power Mac. So, anything is possible.

I do hope that this is true. I'm holding my breath trying to squeak by on this old PB3400 until the 15" is updated....

So, please don't let me hear anyone complain about how slow a 667 G4 PB is. ;)

Yeah...I still use my Quadra 840av daily! And let me say, it's speedy

nydoofus
May 14, 2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Escher
Merçi pour la deuxième traduction, maradong. :)

I had completely forgotten that June 13 is the date of Jobs' WWDC keynote, which coincides with the restock date indicated by MacBidouille. Of course this coincidence can be either planned by Apple, or planned by the person who planted a false rumor. IMO, it's the former, since MacBidouille quotes a "well-informed source."

Escher

Isn't the first day of WWDC the 23rd and not the 13th?

Postal
May 14, 2003, 05:23 PM
Yep, the first day of WWDC 2003 is the 23rd, and that's also when the keynote is scheduled.

DHagan4755
May 14, 2003, 09:36 PM
Everybody's doing the 15.4-inch screen now...Apple better chef-up their version soon...

Notebook PC
HP has launched a 'ground-breaking' graphics and multimedia-oriented 15.4in widescreen notebook, the Compaq Presario X1000.

The X1000 is based on Intel's Centrino platform, offering a Pentium M CPU at 1.3, 1.4, 1.5 and 1.6GHz, plus Intel's Pro Wireless 2100 802.11b card. HP is offering an integrated Bluetooth module as an option.

The 15.4in display operates at 1920x1200, 1680x1050 and 1280x800 widescreen resolutions. It's apparently "20 per cent brighter, features 33 per cent wider viewing angles and includes an improved contrast ratio compared to traditional notebook displays". It is driven by a choice of ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 with 64MB or 32MB of DDR SDRAM, or the Mobility Radeon 7500 with 32MB of DDR.

Buyers can select a 40, 60 or 80GB 5400rpm hard drive, and a 24x CD-ROM, 8x DVD, 24x CD-RW/DVD combo, or DVD+RW optical drive. They can add up to 2GB of 266MHz DDR SDRAM.

Whatever options buyers choose, they'll get three USB 2.0 ports, one 1394 port and an S-Video output. The X1000 sports integrated 10/100Mbps Ethernet, a built-in 56Kbps modem and an SD/MMC card slot.

The notebook is 3.25cm (1.3in) thick and only weighs 2.95kg (6.5lbs). It offers five hours' of battery life, HP claims. It goes on sale on 21 May in the US for around $1299 and up. ®

macdong
May 14, 2003, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by visor
Never mind those time indications.
I went to the the applestore over 2 weeks ago to order an IPod. It said shipping in 8-10 days.
I't not even build yet much less shipped or arrived here.
Actually this always happens when I order something at the Apllestore. No order I've placed there was delivered in under 3 weeks yet.
Anyway, If supplies are dwindeling, it does mean that they still have some and can quickly pack em up and ship them, right?

It doesn't mean however that the new PB 's will be out before the WWDC. Remember 5gig IPods where also out for about 4 months before the new ones came up?

I ordered an iPod from Apple store last thursday, and it's shipped today...
pretty fast for me.

illumin8
May 14, 2003, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Everybody's doing the 15.4-inch screen now...Apple better chef-up their version soon... I have to say... the specs for that Compaq notebook sound pretty sweet. Why can't Apple make a Powerbook with similar features at that price point??? Oh, I forgot, they somehow feel the need to make 1/3rd markup over normal retail prices... In this market you really can't be pigheaded like that. When will Steve Jobs realize that you have to compete with the Compaqs and Dells of this world if you want to gain more than 3% market share?

I look at my own situation and I am dying to switch... I've been using Windows since v3.1 and Linux for the last 6 years... Give me a Powerbook that is nearly as fast as a PIV and I'll switch in a heartbeat, but I'm not about to switch to a 15" TiBook with only a 133mhz. FSB when Intel will give me 400 for half the price... It's just getting ridiculous... Please let the 970 Powerbook come out in June... Otherwise, I will probably never switch and Apple will never see my money (except for the 30GB iPod I just bought recently).

Escher
May 14, 2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Everybody's doing the 15.4-inch screen now...Apple better chef-up their version soon...

Holy ****, the HP X1000 does 1920x1200 on its 15.4" widescreen? My eyes just hurt thinking about those tiny pixels. Apple better introduce OS-level scaling of the interface if it wants to move up to 1920x1200 on such a (relatively) small LCD.

Escher

dilg
May 15, 2003, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by macdong
I ordered an iPod from Apple store last thursday, and it's shipped today...
pretty fast for me.

Same for me.. A friend and I both ordered iPods last Thurs, but he requested laser engraving which should have added 5-7 days on the order. We both got shipping confirmations today. What's up with that?

inktomite
May 15, 2003, 12:57 AM
i ordered one yesterday from apple.com. i had a tracking number the very same day, saying it was shipped out fed ex ground. i may have the piece by tomorrow or friday.

stay with the titanium. first rev 12 and 17 wasnt perfect, and dont expect the first rev 15 to be either.

Snowy_River
May 15, 2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by inktomite
i ordered one yesterday from apple.com. i had a tracking number the very same day, saying it was shipped out fed ex ground. i may have the piece by tomorrow or friday.

stay with the titanium. first rev 12 and 17 wasnt perfect, and dont expect the first rev 15 to be either.

egads! Why would you buy a 15"PB now? Unless it was mission critical, I just can't see doing that. I will grant the possibility that the next rev of the 15" may have some issues, but if you had waited until it came out don't you think that you could have gotten a deal on a 15" TiBook?

primalman
May 15, 2003, 08:21 AM
I have a take on this...

I do think that the supplies of 15" Powerbooks in APPLE's channel are down, but maybe not the independent retailers. As an example, I work for a US state university. The normal retail price for a 1ghz Powerbook 15" is $2,799, the education price for an individual is $2,649 and the education price for the instistution is $2,499. AppleCare for all is $332 except for the institutional price, which is $239. Directly ordering from the Apple regional Education Rep by the school's buyer got me a 1ghz 15" PB for $2060 + $239 for AppleCare.

They are clearing the channel. They do these special, non-advertised discounts at school whenever they are clearing as much of the stock as they can. They have done this with iBooks, iMacs and PowerMacs in the past.

Oh, by the way, the 15-20% discounts are good on 12" PB, 1ghz 15" PB [no 867 15" special, may be really low on stock and ready to take the loss on the remaining stock as a charge], and all iBooks. No specials on the 17" PB. My guess is the the 15" is getting the new form factor, the 12" is getting a speed and/or bus bump, and the iBook, well, they would just like to sell a lot of 'em.

And the special ends on no difinitive date, the rep just said "mid-June or so." Sounds like WWDC to me.

If you work for edu or are a student, go see your Apple Buyer at your bookstore or computer center on campus, it may be worth your while!

:)

rjwill246
May 15, 2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Everybody's doing the 15.4-inch screen now...Apple better chef-up their version soon...

Well here is an example of what is being offered by HP-Compaq and its not up to par with the 15" PB and costs about the same for less performance.

http://h20022.www2.hp.com/busprod/overview/0,12512,series=96316%5Etype=89315%5Ecategory=300001,00.html?lsidebarLayId=106&rsidebarLayId=63

primalman
May 15, 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by rjwill246
Well here is an example of what is being offered by HP-Compaq and its not up to par with the 15" PB and costs about the same for less performance.

http://h20022.www2.hp.com/busprod/overview/0,12512,series=96316%5Etype=89315%5Ecategory=300001,00.html?lsidebarLayId=106&rsidebarLayId=63

You know, that HP looks a helluva lot like a PowerBook G3 at glance, even has the expansion bays. Kinda late....

Dr.DODO
May 15, 2003, 11:46 AM
FYI: Kodawarisan posted following (rough translation) on April 11:

15-inch new PowerBook G4 introduction by end of this month
It appears that Apple is going to introduce aluminum body new 15-inch PowerBook G4 by end of this month or early next month. Based on the information, there is an early shipment models on stock waiting for shipment at undisclosed factory in Taiwan.

Also on Kodawarisan today, (again rough translation):

15-inch PowerBook G4 introduction next week?
While new products such as; 12-inch and 17-inch PowerBook G4, iMac, iBook, and eMac has been introduced, introduction of the last model, new 15-inch PowerBook G4 is going to take place next week. According to the information, new 15-inch PowerBook G4/1Ghz model will contain FireWire 800 port (800Mbps), backlight keyboards. This would reduce the differences between new 15-inch model and the 17-inch model and only differences would be the screen size.

Just for a note. All “rumors” are written in most passive tone in original Japanese. The level of passive voice is hard to replicate in English but I just wanted to mention this fact. The consequence of this is that they are not binding themselves to the ‘”rumors” but rather reporting what they learned through undisclosed sources.

dennis88
May 15, 2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Dr.DODO
FYI: Kodawarisan posted following (rough translation) on April 11:

15-inch new PowerBook G4 introduction by end of this month
It appears that Apple is going to introduce aluminum body new 15-inch PowerBook G4 by end of this month or early next month. Based on the information, there is an early shipment models on stock waiting for shipment at undisclosed factory in Taiwan.

Also on Kodawarisan today, (again rough translation):

15-inch PowerBook G4 introduction next week?
While new products such as; 12-inch and 17-inch PowerBook G4, iMac, iBook, and eMac has been introduced, introduction of the last model, new 15-inch PowerBook G4 is going to take place next week. According to the information, new 15-inch PowerBook G4/1Ghz model will contain FireWire 800 port (800Mbps), backlight keyboards. This would reduce the differences between new 15-inch model and the 17-inch model and only differences would be the screen size.

Just for a note. All “rumors” are written in most passive tone in original Japanese. The level of passive voice is hard to replicate in English but I just wanted to mention this fact. The consequence of this is that they are not binding themselves to the ‘”rumors” but rather reporting what they learned through undisclosed sources.

I sure hope it's true! :D

freundt
May 15, 2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by dennis88
I sure hope it's true! :D

I sure hope it isn't! I haven't been waiting 4 months to get a laptop so I could buy one that IS NO FASTER THAN WHEN I STARTED LOOKING 6 MONTHS AGO!!

sheesh.. if this is true, this will be a huge disappointment.

I was hoping for atleast a 1.2 - 1.4, if not a 970 (yeah, I know I'm dreaming).

*sigh*
_f

NavyIntel007
May 15, 2003, 05:43 PM
For those who think that the PC laptops are speed deamons I can personally tell you they are everything but that. My mother's 2.4 GHz P4mobile feels very very sluggish against my iBook 500. Granted it has less ram (though not much less) than my ibook it has twice the bus speed and almost 5 times the clock speed. Aside from booting (which I hardly ever do with my mac) the iBook does things much faster. I was also only successful in installing the verizon DSL on the ibook, it wouldn't work on any PC in the house.

So in the words of Public Enemy:

"DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!"

freundt
May 15, 2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
For those who think that the PC laptops are speed deamons I can personally tell you they are everything but that. My mother's 2.4 GHz P4mobile feels very very sluggish against my iBook 500. Granted it has less ram (though not much less) than my ibook it has twice the bus speed and almost 5 times the clock speed. Aside from booting (which I hardly ever do with my mac) the iBook does things much faster. I was also only successful in installing the verizon DSL on the ibook, it wouldn't work on any PC in the house.

So in the words of Public Enemy:

"DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!"

But those of you who think that it is acceptable to charge premium prices for a 1ghz G4 laptop, I can tell you, you are wrong.

"DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLE HYPE"

I still think it is not wrong to hope for a speed increase after about 8 months or so.

_f

Snowy_River
May 16, 2003, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by freundt
I sure hope it isn't! I haven't been waiting 4 months to get a laptop so I could buy one that IS NO FASTER THAN WHEN I STARTED LOOKING 6 MONTHS AGO!!

sheesh.. if this is true, this will be a huge disappointment.

I was hoping for atleast a 1.2 - 1.4, if not a 970 (yeah, I know I'm dreaming).

*sigh*
_f

I hope that it's wrong, too. (Though part of me hopes it's right, but I'll come back to that.) I would really like to see a more substantial upgrade than just getting what the 17" already has. After all, in speed comparisons, the 1GHz 15" Ti and the 1GHz 17"AL come out almost dead tied. (The only notable exception being in very memory intensive process the DDR RAM in the 17" gives it about a 25% advantage.) So, simply upgrading to what the 17" already has really wouldn't be that much of an upgrade.

Unfortunately, I don't think that we'll ever see 1.2GHz or higher clocked G4s in the PowerBooks. They're just too hot. Yes, we might see them if/when Moto releases the 7457 G4 chip, but who here really thinks that's going to happen this summer? I think a dual 2.5GHz 970 Power Mac, with a 1.4GHz 970 PowerBook along side is more likely than that.

Just my thoughts...

t^3
May 16, 2003, 01:25 AM
Does anybody think that the new 15" PowerBooks would be introduced at an event, such as WWDC? New sized models of existing products such as the 14" iBook was introduced at MWSF '02, and the 17" iMac at MWNY '02. If so, doesn't look like we'll see new 15" PowerBooks next week since special press events are always announced a week ahead of time.

Snowy_River
May 16, 2003, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by t^3
Does anybody think that the new 15" PowerBooks would be introduced at an event, such as WWDC? New sized models of existing products such as the 14" iBook was introduced at MWSF '02, and the 17" iMac at MWNY '02. If so, doesn't look like we'll see new 15" PowerBooks next week since special press events are always announced a week ahead of time.

That's a good point, but not definitive, I don't think. The update to the 15" PowerBook, if it were simply updating to bring it in line with the other ALBooks, would be a rather lack-luster update, and I think that Apple wouldn't want to make too big a deal out of it. Sure, a nice splash on the front page of the Apple web site, but probably not a press event.

wallinbl
May 16, 2003, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by t^3
Does anybody think that the new 15" PowerBooks would be introduced at an event, such as WWDC? New sized models of existing products such as the 14" iBook was introduced at MWSF '02, and the 17" iMac at MWNY '02. If so, doesn't look like we'll see new 15" PowerBooks next week since special press events are always announced a week ahead of time.

Here's hoping. I'm looking to buy by the end of next week. I've been hoping and hoping to see a 15" AlBook by that time. If not, the 15" TiBook is an excellent product, and I'll be happy with it.

Lucid Drake
May 16, 2003, 11:43 AM
Based on my own experience I would say the new 15" is right around the corner. My school, San Francisco State University, is offering deals on the current 15" 1GHz w/ super drive for $1899. You put down $100 deposit, and when they get 10 people to sign up, they order them. I almost picked one up but figured they're only going to go down in price so might as well wait to see what the new 15" is like in case I decide to fork out the extra dough for the new version.

In any case, I'm ready to switch from PC to powerbook! I just ordered my 15GB iPod yesterday, picked it up for a good deal, $320. I can't wait for the new 15!

--Lucid

Snowy_River
May 16, 2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by wallinbl
Here's hoping. I'm looking to buy by the end of next week. I've been hoping and hoping to see a 15" AlBook by that time. If not, the 15" TiBook is an excellent product, and I'll be happy with it.

If you possibly can, I'd seriously recommend waiting. The new 15" is coming, and it will be an improvement over the TiBook (perhaps minor, perhaps very major). So, unless you're getting a TiBook for a deal, such as those that have been mentioned, I'd try to muddle through if I were you.

xj9000
May 17, 2003, 09:42 AM
macmall.com is offering $50 off the powerbook until may 25th. I don't think they are anymore in the know than we are, but usually when apple promos are over we see new products shortly after.

ZildjianKX
May 18, 2003, 03:07 PM
Besides the upgrades mentioned... the new 15" TiBook better have the same FSB as the 17" model... and integrated bluetooth. Would be nice if they shipped with OS 10.3 too :)

kikimus
May 19, 2003, 08:10 AM
I'm hoping the PB will get a speed bump. I just want to run SuSE linux on the darn thing, so the OS is less important to me then the size, speed, etc...

I had actually ordered one of the 17" PB's, after the Apple Hype machine went into full gear, but after constant shipping delay's I starting looking at the Centrino machines, and canceled my order out of plain frustration with Apple customer service (I ordered direct).

While I would rather have a Powerbook 15", due to the form factor, and the asthetics, the 1.4 - 1.6 centrinos are quite a bit faster in rendering applications (such as GIMP), than my friends 1gig PB Ti. Why Jobs has screwed himself with Motorola is beyond me. OSX is a unix varient (which is a good thing!), it would not be difficult at all to port it to an Intel or AMD chipset. Anyone who has run KDE on Linux knows that OSX took a page right out of the open source communities book (which BTW is fine with me).

Some would say that "Apple wont do that because they are a hardware and a software company". Well, people loading OSX onto a Dell would be the least of my concerns, Apple could simply choose not to support them. Many would still buy the Apple product due to the form factor, battery life, etc....