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MacRumors
May 23, 2003, 01:21 PM
MacWhispers reports (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000068.php) that based on their sources, a new Pro Speaker system is in the works.



NavyIntel007
May 23, 2003, 01:36 PM
Hope they make it a 2.1 system at least.

Jaykay
May 23, 2003, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
MacWhispers reports (http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000068.php) that based on their sources, a new Pro Speaker system is in the works.

Maybe the addition of a subwoofer/bass unit, or maybe they are not powerful enough for that. Probably cosmetic.

Then again, they could have something to do with the pro and non-pro lines of apple peripherals these days....

macr1jxb
May 23, 2003, 01:56 PM
What I'd love is if they'd come out with a speaker system that worked with Macs.

I want to get some small, but nice speakers at a reasonalble price that I could connect to my iBook, or PowerBook or even my iPod. and that would be small and portable so if I'm working at the dining room table I could set them up there ofr the day.

The Apple Pro speakers would be perfect, unfortunately they are not compatable with PowerBooks, iBooks or iPods. The guy at the Apple store that explained this too me said it in a kind of "yes, apple speakers are not compatable with appl computets, I know it makes no sense, and it means we're shooting ourselves in the foot with this" kind of tone.

So I hope apple comes out with new speakers that are compatable with the 1/8" jack on my apple products, because I'd love to have those speakers, but only if they use a standard connecter and I know I'll be able to use them with my next mac.

Freg3000
May 23, 2003, 03:48 PM
I like the Pro speakers, but they have been around for a while. Change is good.

usersince86
May 23, 2003, 04:02 PM
Seems fair to include [new] pro speakers with "pro" machines... and have them as an upgrade option on consumer models.

But can't a lesser speaker system be included with consumer models? It doesn't seem right to have a mono speaker in today's world, especially if Apple wants the Mac to be the "hub" in today's multimedia world.

Just my 2 cents.

nikfel
May 23, 2003, 04:07 PM
What I would like to see is the new POWERMACS with a 7.1 audio card.....maybe these new speakers are a 7.1 system now wouldn't that be nice. Come on we'll have the new 970, a great graphics card, apple design to die for and hopefully a great sound setup. With this setup who would ever want to buy a M$ based PC!!!

AppleMatt
May 23, 2003, 04:12 PM
They should be expandable, ie, perhaps the base set is L+R with a Sub, but you can add as many extra speakers as the box/card that controls them can handle.

Also they should drop the proprietry digital audio plug so they are compatible with all desktops and laptops

AppleMatt

MacBandit
May 23, 2003, 04:14 PM
Well I hope Apple finally utilizes the multi channel surround that is built into OSX. Time for a 5.1 speaker system from Apple if you ask me.

Oh, and good riddance with the old PRO Speakers. If you have an ear for audio you will agree they sound like crap and they don't produce audio equally speaker to speaker.

AppleMatt
May 23, 2003, 04:24 PM
I got my PM going into my (v.expensive, I have no self control) HiFi :D

Fantastic for music, scares the ^&*@ out of me when I start up UT2003. Every time.

I hope the quality will improve, but I'm not expecting a miracle, I guess the best thing they could do is do a Sub that powers smaller speakers, or maybe even a mains option.

AppleMatt

mproud
May 23, 2003, 04:53 PM
There was a report a while back that had some guy who worked for some Japanese company who was developing some sort of audio device and presented it to Apple... and supposedly, they liked what they saw.

The article hinted they could be collaborating on a future audio speaker system.

Of course, I can't actually cite this since I forget where and when I saw it.

MacBandit
May 23, 2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by AppleMatt
I got my PM going into my (v.expensive, I have no self control) HiFi :D

Fantastic for music, scares the ^&*@ out of me when I start up UT2003. Every time.

I hope the quality will improve, but I'm not expecting a miracle, I guess the best thing they could do is do a Sub that powers smaller speakers, or maybe even a mains option.

AppleMatt

What kind of system do you have? I personally run an Integra 7.2 into a set of Mission model 700s and 701s with a Signet center and a Powered JBL Pro 12" sub.

I use to have my computer running through my stereo but now there in separate rooms and I haven't set it up on a network yet. My computer spearkesr I have a Atlantic Techs before they quit making them a few years ago. All in all I am really impressed by there sound but there assembly and hardware could have used a lot of help. I have had to do a lot of repairs on them.

I sure hope Apple does the new Pros right as I said the last ones had no business being called Pro.

bentmywookie
May 23, 2003, 05:30 PM
Take a look at the language in the "article":

Our plastics sources in Taiwan have given us word that Apple is shopping a manufacturer now for a completely redesigned Pro Speaker system. We have been told that the bid deadline is June 1st, indicating near-term production.

All we know at this time is that the new speakers will keep the clear acrylic construction of the present Pro Speakers, but will no longer be round in shape. We have been given a very vague description of the speakers as having "small, rectangular housings."


Bid-deadline - June 1st: That information could be completely made up and in all honesty, there is probably no way anyone could confirm this, nor does it in ANY way indicate when these are coming out - a fact which would definitely impact MacWhispers.

"Small, rectangular housings": Ok, now here is a point where MacWhispers could easily say, "ok, so we weren't exactly correct on the shape blah blah blah."

To me, this is just pure speculation very carefully dressed up as a valid rumor. MacWhispers could capitalize on a broad range of speaker product announcements, made at any time within a year or so, with this.

MacWhispers
May 23, 2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by bentmywookie
To me, this is just pure speculation very carefully dressed up as a valid rumor. MacWhispers could capitalize on a broad range of speaker product announcements, made at any time within a year or so, with this.

You credit me wiht entirely too much sinister craftiness, my friend. I just try to pass along what the fellows in Taiwan mention to me. Sometimes it's right; sometimes it's "close" to right: and, sometimes, it's dead wrong.

I'm still trying to learn how to predict which is which. :-)

MacBandit
May 23, 2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
You credit me wiht entirely too much sinister craftiness, my friend. I just try to pass along what the fellows in Taiwan mention to me. Sometimes it's right; sometimes it's "close" to right: and, sometimes, it's dead wrong.

I'm still trying to learn how to predict which is which. :-)

As heard from the horses mouth. Glad to have you on the boards maybe we can get some questions answered about some of your updates in the future since your a member. Keep up the good work any news of any kind is always entertaining since it gives the rumor geeks something to argue about.:D

WM.
May 24, 2003, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by macr1jxb
I want to get some small, but nice speakers at a reasonalble price that I could connect to my iBook, or PowerBook or even my iPod. and that would be small and portable so if I'm working at the dining room table I could set them up there ofr the day.

The Apple Pro speakers would be perfect, unfortunately they are not compatable with PowerBooks, iBooks or iPods. The guy at the Apple store that explained this too me said it in a kind of "yes, apple speakers are not compatable with appl computets, I know it makes no sense, and it means we're shooting ourselves in the foot with this" kind of tone.

So I hope apple comes out with new speakers that are compatable with the 1/8" jack on my apple products, because I'd love to have those speakers, but only if they use a standard connecter and I know I'll be able to use them with my next mac.
Your iBook/iPod/PowerBook doesn't deliver enough juice for the Pro Speakers. The headphone jacks on current Apple computers are rated for 32 ohms minimum impedance. I don't happen to know what the impedance of the Pro Speakers is, but I'd guess it's more like 16. In which case you'd fry your iPod/'Book's headphone output if you tried to hook up speakers like Apple's.

I do know that the amp built into the Power Mac and iMac can supposedly supply 20W (10W/channel). 2V (the maximum swing of Apple headphone outs) through 32 ohms != 10W.

OTOH: I could be mistaken, but I think I have seen some speakers that do hook up to a standard 1/8" (3.5 mm) headphone output...anyone know more about them? I doubt they're very loud or hi-fi, though.
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Also they should drop the proprietry digital audio plug so they are compatible with all desktops and laptops.
Apple uses the proprietary plug for three reasons: 1) They don't want you to hook your Pro Speakers up to a standard headphone output/line out and fry it. 2) They don't want you to hook up standard headphones or line-level devices to your Pro Speaker output (on your iMac or Power Mac) and fry them. (There's a ROM in the Pro Speakers that identify them to the amp, using the shell as a fifth conductor, I believe.) 3) Using four (five including the one for the ROM) conductors on the proprietary plug allows them to use more efficient "Class T" (which I believe is a marketing term for Class...D?) amps, which require separate return paths (grounds) for each speaker...or maybe there's some kind of bridged configuration...I was just reading about why this is; perhaps it was on MacRumors and someone will remember what I'm talking about. But I digress. :)

In short, there are *valid technical reasons* why Apple has chosen to use a proprietary connector. It's not just a case of Apple trying to make life difficult for you. That said, I really have no use for the Pro Speakers, and I'd rather my iMac were $20 cheaper (or provided $20 more profit to Apple) instead of having an amp inside that I'll never use. I'm sure the people whose iMac configurations actually included the $50 Pro Speakers would like their $70 back too. :) But I'm not complaining--the iMac has been great, and for the people who do use the Pro Speakers there would be no other way to hook them up so easily (I guess the USB connection the Cube used couldn't be used for the rest of the line).

HTH
WM

macnews
May 24, 2003, 03:34 AM
A sub would be nice with smaller speakers powered off it. I am able to connect my old Altec Lansing sub and small speakers to the head phone jack of my imac. iTunes rocks hard with this setup - although the wires start to get to be a mess.

In the grand scheme of things, it isn't a big deal. A new design would be nice just to change things up or to go with a new designed desktop machine. I don't buy the custom jack size reasons (mentioned earlier) as a valid excuse. I mean, really, how many third party speakers are out there and can't they get them right? Why, and when, did Apple start caring about what third party stuff you pluged in to their computer? I just don't think "tech specs" is a reason for a custom connector. I would believe Apple did it just because they could.

AppleMatt
May 24, 2003, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by MacBandit
What kind of system do you have? I personally run an Integra 7.2 into a set of Mission model 700s and 701s with a Signet center and a Powered JBL Pro 12" sub.

I've got a seperates system, the mac goes through an Arcam stereo amp, Denon AV amp, L+R speakers are specially built ones (fantastic imaging, I couldn't believe it), but surrounds are B&W for now (soon to be replaced), and a Rel Sub. All the Hi-Fi units are on a Hi-Fi stand which is set into the wall, behind a cuboard door, so all you see are lovely mahogany speakers and the TV, which is next on the list to be replaced, its very out of place, just need to source the cash to do it!


I use to have my computer running through my stereo but now there in separate rooms and I haven't set it up on a network yet. My computer spearkesr I have a Atlantic Techs before they quit making them a few years ago. All in all I am really impressed by there sound but there assembly and hardware could have used a lot of help. I have had to do a lot of repairs on them.

Really? That's a shame, did you do any modifications of your own, improve the crossovers or add some bracing? I've had a few dud things in the past, a certain DVD player springs to mind, along with some VERY boomy surrounds.

I'm on the fence about what I do next, I think I might get an iPod (with the rumored line out) and buy a descent interconnect (I have read everything I can on that debate, and for the sake of a few quid, I'll buy a good cable) for it and have that hooked to my Hi-Fi instead, because all the wires for everything are now under the floor boards, which makes changing things around difficult to say the least!

I sure hope Apple does the new Pros right as I said the last ones had no business being called Pro.

To be honest I haven't listened to them outside of a show-room, I just didn't consider them. But from what I've heard, I haven't been missing out!

AppleMatt

(edit: due to my poor use of the quote tags!)

maxtrax
May 24, 2003, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by macnews
Why, and when, did Apple start caring about what third party stuff you pluged in to their computer? I just don't think "tech specs" is a reason for a custom connector. I would believe Apple did it just because they could.

You are completely missing the point! The third party speakers you refer to all have their own amps and require being plugged into an AC outlet. The Pro Speakers are powered by an amp "inside" the iMac or PM, so there is no amp in the Pro Speakers and no plugging them into AC. This is why the proprietary connector is used. Apple made the connector proprietary because they have a brain, and wouldn't want people blowing things up by plugging them into the wrong hole.

It all makes perfect sense really. And I would bet that most peole who buy the iMac line are much happier having them than just the mono speaker that is built in. I would also guess that a good amount of them are fine with the sound quality as well, and really woulnd't think twice about buying some self powered ones that take up more space and have more wires etc... when they are fully complacent with what the Pro Speakers provide.

I personally have JBL powered speakers because the Pro speakers are not enough for me, but I don't use a consumer machine like the iMac, and I think the PM has the jack so their top of line machine can use the speakers they make just because.... It all makes sense to me. now a new upgrqded offering I of course would not complain about either.

My 2 cents, take it or leave it.

Dont Hurt Me
May 24, 2003, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by mproud
There was a report a while back that had some guy who worked for some Japanese company who was developing some sort of audio device and presented it to Apple... and supposedly, they liked what they saw.

The article hinted they could be collaborating on a future audio speaker system.

Of course, I can't actually cite this since I forget where and when I saw it. It was Sanyo executive. I must say iam very happy with my isub and pro speakers but true surround sound is probably the next step with multiple speakers coming from Apple/ Sanyo or HK

WM.
May 24, 2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by maxtrax
You are completely missing the point! The third party speakers you refer to all have their own amps and require being plugged into an AC outlet. The Pro Speakers are powered by an amp "inside" the iMac or PM, so there is no amp in the Pro Speakers and no plugging them into AC. This is why the proprietary connector is used. Apple made the connector proprietary because they have a brain, and wouldn't want people blowing things up by plugging them into the wrong hole.

It all makes perfect sense really. And I would bet that most peole who buy the iMac line are much happier having them than just the mono speaker that is built in. I would also guess that a good amount of them are fine with the sound quality as well, and really woulnd't think twice about buying some self powered ones that take up more space and have more wires etc... when they are fully complacent with what the Pro Speakers provide.

I personally have JBL powered speakers because the Pro speakers are not enough for me, but I don't use a consumer machine like the iMac, and I think the PM has the jack so their top of line machine can use the speakers they make just because.... It all makes sense to me. now a new upgrqded offering I of course would not complain about either.
Thank you for saving me the effort of typing another post! :) Agree with everything you said.

To clarify my previous post: I didn't mean to make it sound like I was unhappy with the Pro Speaker jack being built into all 'Macs (note apostrophe). I understand the benefit to people who do find the Pro Speakers adequate and who are saved some hassle and clutter by having the amp built in. For people who are complaining about the quality of the Pro Speakers, I probably would too--that's why we use different (self-powered) speakers! It's a third-party opportunity!

WM

Freg3000
May 24, 2003, 05:37 PM
Can anyone simply tell me the difference between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 or any other X.1 audio systems. I am NOT an audiophile at all, could I tell the difference?

hesdeadjim
May 24, 2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Freg3000
Can anyone simply tell me the difference between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 or any other X.1 audio systems. I am NOT an audiophile at all, could I tell the difference?

X.Y
X is the number of speakers
Y is the number of subs
For instance, the Soundsticks with the iSub would be a 2.1 system. A more common home surround sound system is 5.1 although 6.1 and 7.1 are becoming more popular. Hope that helps.

On another note, on the differences between the 3 systems that you have listed, there is little difference between each setup for non-audiophiles, of course your milage may vary in this situation. The best way to determine if you will notice the difference is to go somewhere where they have 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 systems setup and give each system a try.

bigjohn
May 24, 2003, 09:53 PM
I really like my Soundsticks, so we'll see... What's more interesting MacWhispers throwing down the gauntlet. Let's see if some of these rumors start coming true, iPod docks, now pro speakers.

illumin8
May 25, 2003, 12:49 AM
I think when the new PowerMacs are released at WWDC, they will have a complete hardware redesign, which will include a new case design, as well as a new Cinema Display design, as well as a new speaker design.

Basically, Apple is redesigning the PowerMac and also needs to match the Cinema Display and speakers to the new PowerMac tower design.

If you look at the Apple store recently, they are clearing out a lot of so-called "refurbished" Cinema Displays and Powermacs recently. I believe they are actually selling new product at refurbished prices so that they can clear excess inventory before the big product release.

They can't really have all those 2002 model year PowerMacs and Cinema displays used and refurbished, can they?

jonnyblobby
May 25, 2003, 10:04 AM
I noticed people were saying that they wanted Apples new speaker system to be 2.1/contain a sub-woofer.

They may have relized this already but there is the iSub that goes with the iSticks. and it rules.

In the same style as the sticks with a big tube in the top. Has Real good sound, bassy as i want anyway.

NavyIntel007
May 25, 2003, 01:26 PM
I'm pretty happy with my JBL Sonnet 2.1 system and like it alot. It actually sounds better than my truck.

FlamDrag
May 27, 2003, 06:59 AM
Just thinking out loud, I'm not claiming this to be true or even feasible, just thought's for the rumor mill.

FW800 Apple Pro Speakers?

Why? Well, using my iMic for audio in/out really cleans up the sound so I suspect that firewire would provide a similar advantage to USB.

Furthermore FW could provide additional power to the speaker system.

FW800 - I KNOW there's no reason for it but it would sure limit it to the PowerMacs and PB17 (and presumably the new PB15 as well).

Plus it would give those of us w/a FW800 port something to do with it. :)

The last possible advantage is that you could daisy chain your external HD's to your sub and keep it all out of sight.

Random thoughts.

Bengt77
May 28, 2003, 02:47 AM
I'm hoping for a Bluetooth speaker system, even though I know BT doesn't nearly have the kind of bandwidth that can guarantee a continuous, high quality audio stream to (at least) three speakers (2.1).

:rolleyes:

MacBandit
May 28, 2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Bengt77
I'm hoping for a Bluetooth speaker system, even though I know BT doesn't nearly have the kind of bandwidth that can guarantee a continuous, high quality audio stream to (at least) three speakers (2.1).

:rolleyes:

I would say. In all reality 802.11b doesn't even carry enough bandwidth at about 5Mb/s real world througput.

chewbaccapits
May 28, 2003, 11:50 AM
I was thinking about buying JBL's Creature speakers for my little 12" powerbook...Or would the iSub and soundstick suffice?....BTW, Glad I read this.I didn't know you WOULD not want to connect the pro speakers to your powerbook because it will fry the jack! Thanks for letting that out...

Wardofsky
May 29, 2003, 02:47 AM
The new pro-speakers (if true) would hopefully blend in with the computer it comes with.

chewbaccapits
May 29, 2003, 03:05 AM
well??

MacBandit
May 29, 2003, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by chewbaccapits
I was thinking about buying JBL's Creature speakers for my little 12" powerbook...Or would the iSub and soundstick suffice?....BTW, Glad I read this.I didn't know you WOULD not want to connect the pro speakers to your powerbook because it will fry the jack! Thanks for letting that out...

Pro Speakers will not even connect to a computer that doesn't have the pro speaker output jack. It was a theoritcal thing that it would fry the computer if you could connect them.

The iSub and Soundsticks are the better way to go but last time I looked they were still twice the price of the Creatures Speakers. The Creature speakers on the other hand are by no means terrible. I had a listen to them last weekend at the 'Sharper Image' store in Seattle. They sounded quite nice. Though it was to noisey for me to get real pickly and apply an audiophile ear to them.

DakotaGuy
May 29, 2003, 09:38 PM
My buddy bought a new iMac with the Pro Speakers and added an iSub and the set up works quite well. I guess people do not realize that the iSub is available as a stand alone (without Sound Sticks) USB model to go with the standard Pro Speakers. If you want more bass, but want the Pro Speakers, I would think the iSub would be your best option. I have used my iSub with my standard built in speakers on my iMac DV since I bought it and have always enjoyed pretty decent sound. I notice on Apple's on-line store they say it will only work on the iMac DV's, Digital Audio G4's, etc, but that has to be old information that was never updated, because it works just fine on my friends iMac G4.

I bought a pair of Bose MediaMates for my iBook and love them. No subwoofer means less bass, but the clarity of the speakers blows me away every time I listen to them. Some Bose products are overrated (for the price), but the MediaMates are a great 2 speaker system for $99.

jonnyblobby
May 30, 2003, 01:22 AM
If you wants some real power to play out those iTunes, then you'll want what I got hooked upto my Firewire 800 G4.

QSC MX 1500a Pro Audio Amp, running 2 x EV S-152 Stage Speakers

hehe, 400watts of power at 8ohms on 15" woofers.

--------------BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM--------------

:)

chewbaccapits
May 30, 2003, 03:16 PM
Thanks guys...Will choose shortly...