I Hate Myself

[maraczc]

I just realized that for the price of my new iBook 800/CD with 256 MB Ram and Airport card I could have gotten the Dell Performance and Mobility with a faster 1.3 GHZ Pentium M proccessor, DDR Ram, a 14" screen while still weighing 4.9 lbs., a DVD drive, equivalant of Airport Extreme network card, and a 64 MB graphics card.

The graphics card is what it really bothering me.

[maradong]

what do you need that kind of video cart @ a laptop? notebooks are for working not for gaming.
by the way, dell is some piece of crap. .. not worth reflecting about.

[JEdiBeavis]

I think you may want to check your numbers again.

Adding the 64 MB graphics card to the Dell 600M bumps the price up significantly higher than your iBook, I think.

[MacsRgr8]

I would hate myself too, if I were not very happy with my iBook. I love it! (iBook 700, combo, 16 MB VRAM Radeon)
And I would really hate myself if I were to prefer a Dell over an Apple!

[P-Worm]

Originally posted by maradong
what do you need that kind of video cart @ a laptop? notebooks are for working not for gaming.
by the way, dell is some piece of crap. .. not worth reflecting about.

I'm not sure if I agree with the 'not for gaming' part, but I do agree with Dell laptops being a little fishy in th ehardware department. A friend of mine from where I used to work opened it one up only to discover that thing thing was almost built to break down. Strips and such were placed in a way to bring the most wear and tear over time and he was appalled.

P-Worm

[Stelliform]

I have had my TiBook for 6 months now, and even using a Dell Laptop reminds me of surfing the web from a cell phone. It is slow an cumbersome.

I just set up two new Dell C800's with all of the fixings for a client of mine. The screens didn't look as good as my TiBook, the touchpad didn't work as well, and Windows XP stinks since they have moved all of the stuff that I use three levels deep. (Partitcularly Network Neighborhood.)

(Not to mention the thing is huge and bulky. I would never carry that with me.

I didn't tell my client that I felt this way, but I wouldn't trade my TiBook for both of those laptops.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by maradong
what do you need that kind of video cart @ a laptop? notebooks are for working not for gaming.
by the way, dell is some piece of crap. .. not worth reflecting about.
Thats ridiculous, not everyone wants/can afford 2 computers.
It is perfectly normal to have laptop as gaming machine, PC laptops offer gaming performance equal to that of desktops, and twice performance of double-priced mac desktop.

Apple really needs to come out with some fast, and affordable laptops.
iBook 900 MHz 14" is really too bad when you look at money/speed value. Powerbooks are too expensive, and still slow.

[Freg3000]

I think Apple's laptops are the best part of its lineup. The only flaw right now are the PB speeds, but they should be updated soon (hopefully).

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by Megaquad
It is perfectly normal to have laptop as gaming machine, PC laptops offer gaming performance equal to that of desktops, and twice performance of double-priced mac desktop.

I both agree and disagree w/that statement. If you buy a laptop that can perform close to a desktop in gaming it will be a sub par mobile solution. If you buy a laptop that is a good mobile solution it will be a sub par game rig (compared to a desktop). Currently there is no such thing as small, light weight, energy effcient laptop than can double as a kickass gaming rig.


Lethal

[jelloshotsrule]

well if you get the dell... enjoy the inevitable hardware failures.

[maraczc]

For $1850 CND you can get from Apple:
G3 800 MHZ Proccessor
12" Screen
256 MB SDRam
Airport Card
CD-Rom Drive
32 MB Graphics Card
30 GB HD
USB 1.1
1 Year Warranty
90 Days Telephone Tech Support
4.9 lbs.

For $1850 CND you can get from Dell:
1.3 GHZ Pentium 4 Mobile
256 DDR SDRam
Airport Extreme Card (PC Equivalant)
DVD-Rom Drive
64 MB Graphics Card
30 GB HD
USB 2.0
3 Year Warranty
3 Year Telephone Tech Support

Apple needs to get it's act together fast. If I could, I would trade my iBook for one of those in a second. The fact that it's a Mac can only go so far. You can't possibly stretch it anywhere close to making up for all these improvements.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
well if you get the dell... enjoy the inevitable hardware failures. exactly. take your iBook back, maraczc, and get your Dell. you'll regret it. why do this to yourself? a piece of hardware is not the value of the sum of its parts. if you can't see the value of that iBook that makes it better than the dell, then maybe you belong in the PC world. lest you forget, you can't run the best Mac Apps, or OS X, on that freaking dell.

[NavyIntel007]

Originally posted by maraczc
For $1850 CND you can get from Apple:
G3 800 MHZ Proccessor
12" Screen
256 MB SDRam
Airport Card
CD-Rom Drive
32 MB Graphics Card
30 GB HD
USB 1.1
1 Year Warranty
90 Days Telephone Tech Support
4.9 lbs.

For $1850 CND you can get from Dell:
1.3 GHZ Pentium 4 Mobile
256 DDR SDRam
Airport Extreme Card (PC Equivalant)
DVD-Rom Drive
64 MB Graphics Card
30 GB HD
USB 2.0
3 Year Warranty
3 Year Telephone Tech Support

Apple needs to get it's act together fast. If I could, I would trade my iBook for one of those in a second. The fact that it's a Mac can only go so far. You can't possibly stretch it anywhere close to making up for all these improvements.

You forgot firewire on the ibook buddy!

Now go get your dell and quit flaming... troll

[sparkleytone]

for starting another thread on the same damn topic as before. quit baiting this board and just go away.

[nikfel]

I have had my TiBOOK 400 rev1 for two years now and its size, design and capabilities still astonish me and my friends. Yesterday a friend came to my house and he asked me when did that new laptop come out...I had to explain to him that its been out for 2 years. Come on dude apple laptops RULL!! Your iBOOK is great and I am sure the graphics card is more than enough for your computing needs ....I have a ATI RAGE 128 graphics card driving an external 17 inch display at 1024 x 768 and the darn thing still runs exceptionally smooth. So unless u are going to render the next matrix film on your laptop the graphics card in current ibook should be more than exceptional.

[QCassidy352]

oh for goodness' sake, how many times must we go over this?? Yes, you can get a PC with specs that are superior to those of a mac for the same price. everyone knows that. If you don't understand or don't want the advantages that a mac offers, then by all means, get the PC.

If all you care about is a specs-to-money ratio, how did you think a mac was the right computer in the first place???

[Raiwong]

Are apple computers more expensive in canada?!

Going back to topic, its too late to regret now I think. I agree that you made the wrong choice. If you liked gaming in the first place you should have gottena PC, who the hell uses macs for games anyway? its not like they can run many.

Also I find it amazing that dell has such deals in canada, over here apple ibooks are best value.

If you want to feel a bit better, consider your comp came with firewire, a radeon 7500 card. The dell is in no way faster as your CPU 800mh G3 can achieve floating point of 1.7ghz of pentium. Plus your comp came with alot of good software, and is about 10 times more good looking! Your wireless range is also further then the dell. All the games that are currently available on the mac you can play!

Add that to the battery life you have now THINK AGAIN, the graphics card is it so much better?! USB 2? its not even popular yet! DVD ROM ?! get a cheap external combo drive.

It would be a tough decision, but then both of the choices would be good choices.

Now go and enjoy your ibook

[Thirteenva]

I have the only mac(Rev A 500mhz tiBook) at work in a fleet of 6 dells (laptop and desktops).

We've had one Cd-Rom issue (would not recognize the drive)

One Hard drive issue (would not access the drive)

MANY, MANY driver issues....

One broken track pad. One notebook cd rom that comes loose constantly...

AND that doesnt even include those inevitable Windows XP issues.... we have one computer that crashes constantly, to no avail...

NO THANKS.... I'll work on my mac even if it means supporting it financially on my own(purchase of hard and software)....

[shadowfax]

i'm just going to assume all those issues were on the Dells, since you don't really interface with the drivers in OS X much...

[maraczc]

It's not that I don't like my iBook. It's just that I am mad that my new machine doesn't even meet the minimum requirnments for such software as Unreal Tournument 2003 while a PC laptop for the same price can run it at twice the framerate than the Powerbook can.

As for USB 2.0 not being popular. It's very popular. Even the lowliest computer or the barest subnotebook comes standard with USB 2.0 now. Almost all new computers do. In fact, even a year ago most mid-high range and many low-end computers came with USB 2.0 standard. Alot of printers and cameras recommend that you do not use it with USB 1.1 anymore. And stores have generally stopped selling USB 1.1 cables. The very idea that Apple doesn't even have them in the proffesional lines is absurd.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by maraczc
It's not that I don't like my iBook. It's just that I am mad that my new machine doesn't even meet the minimum requirnments for such software as Unreal Tournument 2003 while a PC laptop for the same price can run it at twice the framerate than the Powerbook can. wait, you're disappointed you can't play a stupid game? i've seen UT2K3. there's hardly even a point. what ever. there has never been any confusion that apple is not a gaming system... i don't see why you're bitching post facto.

as for USB 2.0, it's a pride issue with apple, methinks. boo hoo for you. there's nothing that comes USB 2.0 that doesn't also come in firewire. what's the big deal?

sorry to be mean, but we have been through ***** like this well over a million times.

[maraczc]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
as for USB 2.0, it's a pride issue with apple, methinks. boo hoo for you. there's nothing that comes USB 2.0 that doesn't also come in firewire. what's the big deal?

Well, just to be technical, many USB devices suck when using USB 1.1 to connect. For instance my printer, it's jut a regular HP all-in-one and it takes about three or four minutes for a job to be started when I click print. Scanning anything takes far too long. Digital cameras also are a pain in the ass when using USB 1.1, if you have anything more than thirty pictures you can expect to wait a while. And many of the USB optical drives can only run at a tenth of the speed while connected through USB 1.1 (true that there are firewire optical drives but those are more expensive).

Like I said it's not that I don't like my computer or neccessarily need those extra goodies/better specs that Dell offers. But it just pains me to know that there is something much better (spec wise) for the same price as my new computer? Nobody has experienced this kind of frustration before?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by maraczc
Well, just to be technical, many USB devices suck when using USB 1.1 to connect. For instance my printer, it's jut a regular HP all-in-one and it takes about three or four minutes for a job to be started when I click print. Scanning anything takes far too long. Digital cameras also are a pain in the ass when using USB 1.1, if you have anything more than thirty pictures you can expect to wait a while. And many of the USB optical drives can only run at a tenth of the speed while connected through USB 1.1 (true that there are firewire optical drives but those are more expensive). ummm... i know this... USB 1.1 is ~1.5MB/sec. it's for pointing devices and low quality cameras. i didn't say USB 1.1 was an alternative, i said firewire was a good alternative. hell, it has a powered bus. a real powered bus.

[maraczc]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
ummm... i know this... USB 1.1 is ~1.5MB/sec. it's for pointing devices and low quality cameras. i didn't say USB 1.1 was an alternative, i said firewire was a good alternative. hell, it has a powered bus. a real powered bus.

Well printers and for the most part digital cameras (not videocameras) do not connect using firewire.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by maraczc
Well printers and for the most part digital cameras (not videocameras) do not connect using firewire. that's true. but really, how long are you waiting for a USB printer? if you print enough to be bothered by that, you need a damned good printer, which, on the high end, there are firewire printers, methinks.

as for cameras, you got me. though it's really not that painful in my experience. like a minute or so tops. i would much sooner spend the money to get a PCMCIA USB 2 card than bitch--oh wait, you don't have PCMCIA :p

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by maraczc
Well, just to be technical, many USB devices suck when using USB 1.1 to connect. For instance my printer, it's jut a regular HP all-in-one and it takes about three or four minutes for a job to be started when I click print. Scanning anything takes far too long. Digital cameras also are a pain in the ass when using USB 1.1, if you have anything more than thirty pictures you can expect to wait a while. And many of the USB optical drives can only run at a tenth of the speed while connected through USB 1.1 (true that there are firewire optical drives but those are more expensive).

Like I said it's not that I don't like my computer or neccessarily need those extra goodies/better specs that Dell offers. But it just pains me to know that there is something much better (spec wise) for the same price as my new computer? Nobody has experienced this kind of frustration before?

so sell your mac...stop buying macs...and shut the **** up. we are tired of reading it. go to the pc world and leave us alone. you are not a unique snowflake, you are all part of the same compost heap.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
so sell your mac...stop buying macs...and shut the **** up. we are tired of reading it. go to the pc world and leave us alone. you are not a unique snowflake, you are all part of the same compost heap. now sparkley, there's no need to be a prick of a different compost heap i could mention... and being sexy is no excuse :p

[Raiwong]

god damnit your making all the assumptions, you haven't even tried one of those dells before, and its too late now.

[tazo]

Ya know what mcasaraz or whatever your name is, go buy the dell. You will be crying to return it and go mac again. The first time you spend all day and night reinstalling windows, finding drivers for your peripherals, downloading all your freewares, your browsers, the first time your disc is unreadable, the first time you have to install a driver and it says 'cannot find .inf file: you will come crawling back to the Apple community, and we will laugh at you. Like someone has already said, if you cannot realize how much better the iBook is, beyond the specs, then you deserve the pc laptop and the havoc contained therein.

-tazo

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by tazo
Ya know what mcasaraz or whatever your name is, go buy the dell. You will be crying to return it and go mac again. The first time you spend all day and night reinstalling windows, finding drivers for your peripherals, downloading all your freewares, your browsers, the first time your disc is unreadable, the first time you have to install a driver and it says 'cannot find .inf file: you will come crawling back to the Apple community, and we will laugh at you. Like someone has already said, if you cannot realize how much better the iBook is, beyond the specs, then you deserve the pc laptop and the havoc contained therein.

-tazo don't be a jerk. when he comes crawling back, we'll open our doors to him like the father of the prodigal son... if he tucks his tail 'twixt his legs and admits he was an ass, anyway :D

[tazo]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
don't be a jerk. when he comes crawling back, we'll open our doors to him like the father of the prodigal son... if he tucks his tail 'twixt his legs and admits he was an ass, anyway :D

i was not trying to be a jerk. but its true, that the first time you have to reinstall on a brand new computer, well its very enlightening.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by tazo
i was not trying to be a jerk. but its true, that the first time you have to reinstall on a brand new computer, well its very enlightening. yeah, no offense, man, i was just kidding. the entire post was supposed to be a joke.

[tazo]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
yeah, no offense, man, i was just kidding. the entire post was supposed to be a joke.

Misconstruing people online is easy. :)

[vniow]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
and being sexy is no excuse :p

Damn straight.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251618

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by vniow
Damn straight.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251618 i was thinking of you when i told him that, hah.

[sparkleytone]

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Tequila Grandma]

Sexy board member? :eek: Oh my! I'm intrigued -- where are pictures? ;)

On topic -- I'll say nearly the same thing I said in another nearly identical thread: I'd have to beat the living hell out of myself if I ever owned a computer as ugly as that Dell, or used an OS as poorly designed and ugly as XP :p

Arigato,
Brook

[crush7]

Pal, your problem may not be computer-related, after all.

You should never hate yourself. At all.

Cheer up. Go, get an x-Box. They're cheap. Put on a good record.

Lars

[Schiffi]

Well, I thought I'd look around for a laptop equal to my PBook in specs. This is what I found.

Apple
Summary
• 1GHz PowerPC G4
• 1GB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
• 60GB Ultra ATA drive
• SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
• AirPort Card
• Professional 15 Shoulder Case by Brenthaven
• Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
• iPod - 10GB
• 15.2-inch TFT Display
-$3,547.00

Alienware
15" UltraXGA 1600x1200 LCD Display
3.06Ghz P4
1024 RAM
128MB ATI 9000
20GB Nomad Mp3
Front Panel Audio DJ CD Player
Synaptics Touchpad
1 Type II PCMCIA Slots-wireless card
4 USB 2.0 Ports & 1 IEEE-1394 Port (4 PIN)
Standard Smart Li-ION Batteryx2
Full Size 85-Key Clear-Keyboard
Configurable Dual Smart Bay Support
8ohm, 1.5W Stereo Speakers
Auto Switch 110/220V AC Adapter/Cord
Mobile Carrying Case
Performance Benchmarks Documentation
Personalized Owner's Manual & User's Manual
FREE Custom Alienware® Mouse Pad
All Latest Drivers Installed
Dimensions (H) x (W) x (D) : 1.7"x13"x11.4"
Weight: 9.6lbs. w/ Battery
-$3,469.00

Personally the stablity of OSX, DVD-R, and no network hassles made me sure that the Mac was the better choice. Plus I don't have any USB2.0 products. If I need one OrangeMicro makes a USB2.0 cardbus card for Macs. Plus I love the Mac's 6-pin FW port. Trust me, if you do lots of Firewire work, you'd appreciate a good 6-pin.

[Raiwong]

heh I really want an powerbook..

[tazo]

Originally posted by Schiffi
Well, I thought I'd look around for a laptop equal to my PBook in specs. This is what I found.

Apple
Summary
• 1GHz PowerPC G4
• 1GB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
• 60GB Ultra ATA drive
• SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
• AirPort Card
• Professional 15 Shoulder Case by Brenthaven
• Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
• iPod - 10GB
• 15.2-inch TFT Display
-$3,547.00

Alienware
15" UltraXGA 1600x1200 LCD Display
3.06Ghz P4
1024 RAM
128MB ATI 9000
20GB Nomad Mp3
Front Panel Audio DJ CD Player
Synaptics Touchpad
1 Type II PCMCIA Slots-wireless card
4 USB 2.0 Ports & 1 IEEE-1394 Port (4 PIN)
Standard Smart Li-ION Batteryx2
Full Size 85-Key Clear-Keyboard
Configurable Dual Smart Bay Support
8ohm, 1.5W Stereo Speakers
Auto Switch 110/220V AC Adapter/Cord
Mobile Carrying Case
Performance Benchmarks Documentation
Personalized Owner's Manual & User's Manual
FREE Custom Alienware® Mouse Pad
All Latest Drivers Installed
Dimensions (H) x (W) x (D) : 1.7"x13"x11.4"
Weight: 9.6lbs. w/ Battery
-$3,469.00

Personally the stablity of OSX, DVD-R, and no network hassles made me sure that the Mac was the better choice. Plus I don't have any USB2.0 products. If I need one OrangeMicro makes a USB2.0 cardbus card for Macs. Plus I love the Mac's 6-pin FW port. Trust me, if you do lots of Firewire work, you'd appreciate a good 6-pin.

does that alienware come with a table to put it on? because one that thing is a ****ing anvil weight-wise, and plus a 3.06ghz desktop processor will be able to brown some chicken :)

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
that's true. but really, how long are you waiting for a USB printer? if you print enough to be bothered by that, you need a damned good printer, which, on the high end, there are firewire printers, methinks.

as for cameras, you got me. though it's really not that painful in my experience. like a minute or so tops. i would much sooner spend the money to get a PCMCIA USB 2 card than bitch--oh wait, you don't have PCMCIA :p

Man, you guys are being pretty mean in this thread.

There are no Firewire printers, and really there is no need for a USB 2.0 printer either... USB 1.1 has enough bandwidth for almost any print job.

But most digital cameras that are coming out and will be out are USB 2.0... I think a USB 2.0 PCMCIA card would look super sexy sticking out of a new AlBook instead of Apple just upgrading the port so someone can use a new digital camera. For $3K they better use USB 2.0.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
But most digital cameras that are coming out and will be out are USB 2.0... I think a USB 2.0 PCMCIA card would look super sexy sticking out of a new AlBook instead of Apple just upgrading the port so someone can use a new digital camera. For $3K they better use USB 2.0. that's the joke, man. only powerbooks have a PCMCIA slot to stick one in. iBooks have no such option.

[jxyama]

Oh my goodness, I hate myself... Instead of dropping $2,000 on PB 12", 10 GB iPod and AE card, I could have gotten myself a 32" flat panel TV, PS2, Sony floor speakers, matching center and surround channel speakers, a powered subwoofer and some PS2 games...

Go buy whatever the HARDWARE you want. Dell's not gonna run OS X. Are you just so blinded by the hardware specs that you ignore probably the more important part: SOFTWARE?? (Incl. OS.)

[mactastic]

I love my Ti gigabook. For the weight and form factor, you just can't beat it IMHO. Any PC laptop that could equal it weighs almost 10 pounds with power adapter! It really is a desktop replacement. Plus, when I put it in my backpack I hardly notice its there. Go enjoy your dell, you'll save having to go to the gym to work out!

[cubist]

Originally posted by tazo
does that alienware come with a table to put it on? because one that thing is a ****ing anvil weight-wise, and plus a 3.06ghz desktop processor will be able to brown some chicken :)

Not to mention the battery life, if any, is likely to be measurable with an egg timer.

[job]

I just want to ask the one question that hasn't been asked yet:

Why did you buy the iBook in the first place?

And if this has been asked before, my mistake. ;)

[tazo]

Originally posted by cubist
Not to mention the battery life, if any, is likely to be measurable with an egg timer.

very true :)

job
I just want to ask the one question that hasn't been asked yet:

Why did you buy the iBook in the first place?

And if this has been asked before, my mistake. ;)

He prolly bought it because at that point he was not impressed by a bit better specs, and had the common sense that Apple offers a better package overall.