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MacRumors
Jun 4, 2003, 12:54 PM
LoopRumors claims (http://www.looprumors.com/) that the displays may be redesigned in the future for more adjustability.



Mr. Anderson
Jun 4, 2003, 12:58 PM
They'd still need a decent base to hold it down. And if it was a 23" it would have to be a pretty big base - sort of defeating the purpose of a thin panel.

But I can't wait to see the new designs!

D

Ja Di ksw
Jun 4, 2003, 01:16 PM
It'd be nice if it was as adjustable as the iMac display. Maybe even do the same set-up, but with a very small and dense/heavy base. That way it would have a small footprint, but because you don't need to worry about what is stored in there they could make it heavy enough to counteract the torque from a 23". Hmmmm, anyone know if OLED's are lighter than other screens? I think they are, and that would help a lot. Just a thought.

andyduncan
Jun 4, 2003, 01:31 PM
well, they can't exactly get any LESS adjustable...

freundt
Jun 4, 2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by andyduncan
well, they can't exactly get any LESS adjustable...

Sorry to spam a post just to say that cracked me up...but that really made me laugh...

ennerseed
Jun 4, 2003, 02:27 PM
Portrait, please

tacojohn
Jun 4, 2003, 02:50 PM
wouldn't it be cool to have a heavy base w/ optical drive, firewire ports, USB, and iPod dock? All with a single cable going to the CPU...

That way the base could be heavy and have as much adjustibility as the iMac- kinda like the really thin sony displays that have the seperate box, but connect the display to the box and put an optical drive and stuff in there.

eric_n_dfw
Jun 4, 2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by ennerseed
Portrait, please You may want this (and I would while playing MAME!) but I don't think there's a large demand for it. Maybe we need a poll for this question!

bennetsaysargh
Jun 4, 2003, 03:18 PM
OLEDS are in every way better than LCDS. Lighter, more effecient, and just plain better.

bwawn
Jun 4, 2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
OLEDS are in every way better than LCDS. Lighter, more effecient, and just plain better.

Yes, and you shouldn't expect affordable OLED displays in the 17" and up range for another two years, and even then they'll probably be pretty expensive until the manufacturing process is completely refined.

pyrotoaster
Jun 4, 2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by bwawn
Yes, and you shouldn't expect affordable OLED displays in the 17" and up range for another two years, and even then they'll probably be pretty expensive until the manufacturing process is completely refined.
OLED prices are getting better. The catch is that nobody has even ventured into the world of big OLEDs. Remember, Think Secret thinks that's where Apple's displays are headed.

But, about the LCD rumor, this is a truly vague report from LoopRumors if I ever one. It's more speculation and wishful thinking than anything else. They don't even explain how it would really work.

bennetsaysargh
Jun 4, 2003, 03:48 PM
i actually read that OLEDS are also easier to make, with less required parts to assemble than LCDS.

seamuskrat
Jun 4, 2003, 03:59 PM
I know I like my original 15 inch LCD betetr than my ADC 15 screen. I liek the tilt, swivel and height adjustments.
In the day of ergonomics, this is an area where adjustability is key. One big complaint I have heard about apple monitors is that is requires an expensive desk to properly adjust the screen to the user, while a cheaper screen or PC can be adjusted to most desks to a safe viewing placement.
I think the introduction of screens with more adjustments will be welcome in many settings that take ergonomics seriosuly and for those with some limited desk realestate.

jg3
Jun 4, 2003, 04:00 PM
I still love my 15-inch Studio Display to pieces. It's very adjustable, stylish, and you can even take it off its base. I hope Apple goes with something like it again.

http://www.hartmac.co.uk/2ndcomp/comppics/apple%20studio%20display%20lcd.GIF

yzedf
Jun 4, 2003, 04:18 PM
The entire powermac line, tower / displays / keyboard / mouse all need freshing up. It was slick looking 2 years ago... but now it is just MOTS (more of the same).

trebblekicked
Jun 4, 2003, 04:33 PM
how much less adjustable are they than other brand lcd's? i have an el cheapo 15" lcd that i rarely use, and it's actually less adjustable than the apple ones.

how heavy is the 23"?

cubist
Jun 4, 2003, 04:44 PM
This is GREAT if it's true - as far as I can tell, my 15" is almost completely non-adjustable, altho it is a beautiful pixel-perfect monitor... but LoopRumors hasn't been accurate in the past. Definitely page 2.

Fender2112
Jun 4, 2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by yzedf
The entire powermac line, tower / displays / keyboard / mouse all need freshing up. It was slick looking 2 years ago... but now it is just MOTS (more of the same).

Ditto on that. Except for the 17" iMac. I still think this is the sexiest machine ever built (not counting the Cherry 2000).

bennetsaysargh
Jun 4, 2003, 04:59 PM
the 23" is 25.3lbs

coutesy MacTracker:D

trebblekicked
Jun 4, 2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
the 23" is 25.3lbs

coutesy MacTracker:D

hmm. at first i thought, damn that's heavy...but then i saw This 23" LCD (http://store6.yimg.com/I/lcd-monitor_1742_2659693) a simple pedistal like this gets about a 25 degree tilt and a 90 degree swivel. and this thing weighs about 40lbs.

springscansing
Jun 4, 2003, 05:38 PM
Well that's not that heavy when you consider that my 21" Sony CRT weighs 60 lbs...

bikertwin
Jun 4, 2003, 05:59 PM
It's not just the adjustability that needs to change. The current Apple LCD monitors are huge, with tons of wasted space.

Notice how large the bezel is on an Apple 17" Studio display compared to an NEC display. Apple's 17" monitors are as big as other companies' 19" LCD monitors.

They need to be sleeker. That should also make them lighter.

zach
Jun 4, 2003, 06:40 PM
I don't really know if this is just me, or if it is some non-Apple monitor, but has anyone seen the picture at the bottom of the WWDC page on apple.com?

Sure looks to me like an adjustable display....


http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

Right there.

Someone please just let me know if i am seeing things or what...

trebblekicked
Jun 4, 2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by zap23
I don't really know if this is just me, or if it is some non-Apple monitor, but has anyone seen the picture at the bottom of the WWDC page on apple.com?

Sure looks to me like an adjustable display....


http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

Right there.

Someone please just let me know if i am seeing things or what...

sorry. that's just a 15" LCD imac. :)

zach
Jun 4, 2003, 06:56 PM
really?

i dont see the iMac base...

Oh well, i probably just dont see things like most people do.. lol

Thanx for clearing that up.

zach
Jun 4, 2003, 06:58 PM
gees, i have bad vision.

I see it perfectly now.

Oh well, and here i thought i had started a new rumor....


:)

NicoMan
Jun 5, 2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by trebblekicked
i have an el cheapo 15" lcd that i rarely use, and it's actually less adjustable than the apple ones.
Wow, how is that possible?

Amazing... :)

NicoMan

NicoMan
Jun 5, 2003, 02:22 AM
If only we could have a VESA mounting plate at the back of those screens (I know it would not be very nice to look at, but then who looks at the back of their monitor), then people would be able to choose from a very wide range of mounting solutions. This, added to a pivoting capability, would be very, very good and would prove a more viable business solution.

My 0.02 .

NicoMan

maradong
Jun 5, 2003, 11:49 AM
cinema displays do rock...
a friend of mine got 2 on his linux box :) they are so neat . ( 2x20 )

ouketii
Jun 5, 2003, 01:55 PM
i think the 23" lcd would be too big for the imac-style hinge base, don't you? the 17" screen already feels heavy on it. i'm sure apple will think of another way to make the big screens tilt and swivel

bennetsaysargh
Jun 5, 2003, 05:23 PM
apple will not go farther than 17" with the current iMacs. hy are consumer, not professionals. i want a side panel on the moniter with a few ports that can be consealed when you don't want them showing. on the side though.

MorganX
Jun 6, 2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
apple will not go farther than 17" with the current iMacs. hy are consumer, not professionals..

What? A professional Network engineer doesn't need a 19" monitor nor does a professional attorney, or a professional professor, a professional gamer does. A professional DVD enthusiast does, as well as graphic designers and animators. There's probably a bigger market for larger monitors in the consumer space than the "professional" space as I think you are defining it.

Making the PowerMac more iMac like, will do wonders for it's sales. And not necessarily to "professionals."

If this rumor is true it is very, very exciting.

bennetsaysargh
Jun 6, 2003, 02:55 PM
i didn't mean it owuldn't be wanted, but i thiink they have it at just the right size, and that people like average consumers are not gonna want a 23inch iMac.

NicoMan
Jun 7, 2003, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
i didn't mean it owuldn't be wanted, but i thiink they have it at just the right size, and that people like average consumers are not gonna want a 23inch iMac.

Anyway, a 23inch screen on a consumer machines would make it too expensive.
As much as I like the iMac's design, I don't see it getting a bigger screen than 17" 16/10 ratio. I cannot imagine that without the looks of the iMac being ruined. Now if we get a headless consumer machine (I hear people jumping up and down at the thought of a new Cube) then people will have the choice. But it doesn't change the fact that the ergonomics of those Apple screens need to be updated. Bring me a VESA mounting plate so I can rack'em up!!!

NicoMan

zarathustra
Jun 7, 2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
i actually read that OLEDS are also easier to make, with less required parts to assemble than LCDS.

I believe they are printed, much like an inkjet technology - each color dot is sprayed on in a certain density, plus it can be printed onto plastics (which DuPont has been heavily promoting as where the technology should be going). Imagine a foldable display (or you could even roll it UP!).

elensil
Jun 7, 2003, 10:46 PM
That would be a nice idea.

bennetsaysargh
Jun 8, 2003, 09:28 AM
if you were to add dual arms, it would lose almost all flexability. except movig up and down. unless if that's what you want, thats not a good idea.

fred_garvin
Jun 8, 2003, 04:57 PM
What I would like to see is the displays of all sizes connected to the iMac style arm, with a connector of some sort at the bottom of the arm, and no base. For iMac orders, Apple could just snap on or screw on an iMac base to the display. For stand alone display orders, Apple could just screw in a weighted base with adc connector at the back and usb ports at the front.

The base could simply be filled with lead or whatnot. It would jsut have to be heavy enough, so that at the most extreme adjustment to the 23" display, the base does not come close to tipping over.

This would increase flexibility of managing inventory, reducing cost, hopefully to the point that would offset the increased cost of the modular design over the current iMac design. It would also allow Apple to offer a BTO 20 and 23" imac if the base is heavy enough. Over the years when the iMac is outdated, but the display is still great, users could just order a new iMac base, and reuse the display.

This would also work great if the headless cheap mac sold were simply an iMac with a cap at the top instead of the display. Now users can get into a mac cheap, and add the display down the road.

With current offerings, Apple needs an affordable tower, because displays and computers become outdated at vastly different rates. I'd get an iMac, but I can't justify tossing the display when the computer is outdated and repurchasing the entire setup.

fred_garvin
Jun 8, 2003, 05:01 PM
Does anyone know how much bandwidth ADC is capable of? If Apple upgrades from USB 1.1 to USB 2.0, will ADC be able to support the USB 2.0 speed?

andyduncan
Jun 9, 2003, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by zarathustra
I believe they are printed, much like an inkjet technology - each color dot is sprayed on in a certain density, plus it can be printed onto plastics (which DuPont has been heavily promoting as where the technology should be going). Imagine a foldable display (or you could even roll it UP!).

some types of OLEDs can, in fact, be printed using an inkjet-like process. A bit of a reality check is needed here though. OLEDs have a ton of potential, but as of right now they don't have much of anything else. And they've been "a year away" for several years now... When they do arrive though, odds are you'll use one in your phone or digital camera well before you buy an Studio display based on OLED. In fact, OLEDs probably won't replace desktop LCDs for quite a while, even if they could be produced in those sizes.

zarathustra
Jun 9, 2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by andyduncan
some types of OLEDs can, in fact, be printed using an inkjet-like process. A bit of a reality check is needed here though. OLEDs have a ton of potential, but as of right now they don't have much of anything else. And they've been "a year away" for several years now... When they do arrive though, odds are you'll use one in your phone or digital camera well before you buy an Studio display based on OLED. In fact, OLEDs probably won't replace desktop LCDs for quite a while, even if they could be produced in those sizes.

Mister wet blanket!:rolleyes: :p

You are right - OLEDs will be insanely expensive in any larger consumer display/TV. The DuPont demo model is like 2" diagonally in 2 colors. And the one that has been circulating on this board, with a 15" screen, true color - is prohibitively expensive.

gezzas525
Jun 12, 2003, 12:35 PM
Iam waiting for apple to fix the response time issue which ive found the display to smear/blur all over the place.

I hope a manufacturer will produce somin like this

20-23 WideScreen LCD
<10ms responce
600:1 contrast ratio

blah blah

AND YES I NEED 10ms or lower, looks like ill be heading for another CRT!!