Powermac X5 Professional Workstation (featuring IBM's PPC970)

[daveg5]

What do you expect Hardwarewise at the WWDC:
Here's mine.

Powermac X5 Pro workstation
1.4 GHZ 970ppc $1599
Dual 1.6 970ppc $1999
Dual 1.8 970ppc $2499
all cdrw superdive $200 extra
leftover Powermac 1.25 G4 $1299 Limited supply

Powerbook G4 12" 1GHZ 1MB L3 cache same low prices
Powerbook G4 15", 17" 1.2GHZ 19W 970ppc same prices

Imac 15" 1GHZ G4 with 1MB L3 cache $1299
Imac 17" 1.2GHZ 970 ppc 19W $1799

No ibook or emac updates
tons of software updates and releases, final cul, etc.

oh and one more thing

2megapixal firewire based camera with flash and video conferencing stand and of course the new version of ichat.

[daveg5]

$149 for the camera

[biscool]

not gonna happen. We will get a demo of panther and new ppc970 powermacs and there will be talk of new ppc970 xserves. imacs will not have 970's for a while...

[maradong]

the new rumors says there will be an immediate aviability of the new systems

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by maradong
the new rumors says there will be an immediate aviability of the new systems I agree 100%...

Immediate availability of the rumor, with a free helping of vaporware for spice. ;)

[vollspacken]

I have really low expectations :( :

- no 970 (maybe we'll see a 970 equipped xServe)

- new G4 alu powerbook 15"

- panther preview, safari final (priced at $49,-), new apple office suite

vSpacken

oh, I really wish they would present a Gobi-G3 equipped cube for about $500,-
...wishfull thinking ;)

[Dont Hurt Me]

Hey daveg i'm not sure duals are going to be so prevalent after the 970 arrival and this is why. the 970 is going to scale up fast according to Ibm and other sources. the reason for all this dual stuff was because motorola was stuck. the 970 will go faster and faster and i think i saw where they had them going at 2.3ghz allready. then they will becoming out with a 980 dual core. with all this increasing speed and dual core and shrinking down the die there is only advancement in the 970. this was never the case with the g4 hence duallies etc etc.

[daveg5]

Originally posted by biscool
not gonna happen. We will get a demo of panther and new ppc970 powermacs and there will be talk of new ppc970 xserves. imacs will not have 970's for a while...

How about the powerbooks, if not 970's i expect 1.25G4's at a minmium in 15"/17" versons
o-able, this will allow apple to claim first 64m bit laptop and bring up the 12" to 1GHZ G4, as the ibooks are now at 900. could this be why the long wait on the 15"
i starting to think the powermacs will only be single as apple always gives less then expected for powermacs for the last 5 years. however since the 970's are 25%-35% cheaper there is hope however apple may use that savings to offset the new case motherboard design OSX and Panther will love duals
. 1.4-1.6-1.8 singles this year and possibly duals next year.
a new camera/ichat for sure.
" bottom imac must be 1GHZ now, because of the emac and there maybe with l3 cache, this makes the top imac at least 1.25 G4 hopefully with cache l3 1MB. I really think the imac will get an upgrade of some sort
ibooks and emacs were just updated that just leaves the xserves which are always updated after the powermacs X5 as apple needs these towers out much more.
Jan 04 Gobi G3 based cube $1.2GHZ $699 1pci slot or pc card slot. firewire in front covered, usb, airport, 32MB video with tv out with adaptercdrw or combo. no superdrive

[KershMan]

no way they charge $49 for Safari unless they offer a free version with ads like Omniweb. Since Omniweb 4.5 is webcore, they would be foolish to charge for Safari and not offer a free version.

There are still too many free browsers available to sell Safari. Even Camino is a better choice over paying $49.

I use Safari daily and I love it. But I would not pay $49 for it when I can use Omniweb and Camino for free.

[pyrotoaster]

Here's what I see in my crystal ball (note: I don't actually have a crystal ball):

- No workstation.

- Powermac 970 with near-immediate availability on at least one model.

- Powerbook 970 for at least the 15", but possibly over the entire line.

- Panther previewed (duh!)

- No iMacs, no eMacs, and probably no iBook, although the iBook is due for a major update, but that could come later this summer.

- While a digital camera would be nice, it sounds a little wishful. I'm trying to be more realistic.

I'd like to see the iBook updated at WWDC, but that seems unlikely. I do think it will go to a new processor (GOBI) some time this summer, though.

[gopher]

Originally posted by KershMan
no way they charge $49 for Safari unless they offer a free version with ads like Omniweb. Since Omniweb 4.5 is webcore, they would be foolish to charge for Safari and not offer a free version.

There are still too many free browsers available to sell Safari. Even Camino is a better choice over paying $49.

I use Safari daily and I love it. But I would not pay $49 for it when I can use Omniweb and Camino for free.
Omniweb isn't free. Leave it running for awhile without refreshing the screen and you will be awashed with unlicensed over the webpage.

[ZildjianKX]

Safari isn't going to be freeware when its final? Not to sound stupid, but I thought Safari was going to be a free application, especially since its going to be more integrated into the OS in the future.

[zuggerat]

i just want the new powerbooks to come with PPC970's and cheaper ram...i need one so bad...i cant take all these pop-ups and viruses and failures on this stupid PC

[Nermal]

Originally posted by maradong
the new rumors says there will be an immediate aviability of the new systems

If you're referring to the AppleInsider rumour, it actually says "According to sources, Apple plans to make the Power Mac G5 available to the public following their introduction on June 23rd". Sure, that implies immediate availability, but doesn't explicitly state it to be true. Just pointing that out.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by KershMan
no way they charge $49 for Safari unless they offer a free version with ads like Omniweb. Since Omniweb 4.5 is webcore, they would be foolish to charge for Safari and not offer a free version.

There are still too many free browsers available to sell Safari. Even Camino is a better choice over paying $49.

I use Safari daily and I love it. But I would not pay $49 for it when I can use Omniweb and Camino for free.

I don't see them charging for it. If they do, I'll just keep using the beta :)

[zuggerat]

i dont see why we hafta pay for software that comes with the operating system there hasta be a way to avoid this...when u buy a car u have a warrentee (spelling?) apple customers should be sold a plan where they dont hafta pay for UPGRADED software for a certain amount of time post-purchase of the system

[MacBoyX]

Originally posted by vollspacken
...- panther preview, safari final (priced at $49,-), new apple office suite



I think vollspacken was saying 49 bucks for panther (No way 129 for sure) and - or FREE for Safari.

Safari will be integrated into Panther not a stand alone pay for it app.

No way Apple charges for Safari when IE is free. Steve isn't that foolish :)

macboyx

[MorganX]

Originally posted by daveg5
What do you expect Hardwarewise at the WWDC:
Here's mine.

Powermac X5 Pro workstation
1.4 GHZ 970ppc $1599
Dual 1.6 970ppc $1999
Dual 1.8 970ppc $2499
all cdrw superdive $200 extra
leftover Powermac 1.25 G4 $1299 Limited supply

Powerbook G4 12" 1GHZ 1MB L3 cache same low prices
Powerbook G4 15", 17" 1.2GHZ 19W 970ppc same prices

Imac 15" 1GHZ G4 with 1MB L3 cache $1299
Imac 17" 1.2GHZ 970 ppc 19W $1799

No ibook or emac updates
tons of software updates and releases, final cul, etc.

oh and one more thing

2megapixal firewire based camera with flash and video conferencing stand and of course the new version of ichat.

Those are some pretty optimistic fantasy prices. You think Apple's going to give up the margin on a new CPU, so quickly. They'll milk it. I'd expect bare bones for $1999 for a while. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

I'd buy the 17" 1GHz G4 iMac with 1MB L3 for $1799 but I doubt it happens. The performance would be too high. Apple likes to keep it's consumer machines from performing at their peak so as not to diminish the perception that PowerMacs are inherently higher performance machines.

[primalman]

Originally posted by MorganX
I'd buy the 17" 1GHz G4 iMac with 1MB L3 for $1799 but I doubt it happens. The performance would be too high.

The 17" iMac is already $1799

[springscansing]

Safari is GOING TO BE FREE.

Hell, iMovie is free for crying out loud. I don't see them giving you iMovie, iPhoto, and iDVD for free (yes, its free, comes with all new systems), and then charging for a browser. Ridiculous.

[MorganX]

Originally posted by primalman
The 17" iMac is already $1799

Not with 1mb L3 cache. Going from no cache at all, to 1MB L3 would be a significant jump in performance class. And Apple would price it accordingly if they were to do it.

[cubist]

Does Steve do "one more thing" at WWDC? I don't think so. He may take the opportunity to speak a little about the 970.

Because Apple outsources all production, they can't change all the models at once like that. At most we might see

1.4 GHz single 970 "PowerMac G5". With 512MB RAM, $2899.

15" Powerbook with 1.4GHz single 970, "PowerBook G5". With 512MB RAM, $3199.

No updates to anything else. No webcam (iChat will support a small variety of third-party USB and Firewire webcams).

Daveg5's prices are far too low. Even here, I may be estimating the prices too low. The bleeding edge is always costly.

And remember, Steve at WWDC is not announcing things to the world - the entire audience is under NDA. There will be leaks of course.

[e-coli]

Originally posted by daveg5

Powermac X5 Pro workstation
1.4 GHZ 970ppc $1599
Dual 1.6 970ppc $1999
Dual 1.8 970ppc $2499


Try adding $1000 to each of those.

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing those prices. But I'd have to say it aint gonna happen. ;)

[MacBoyX]

Originally posted by cubist
Does Steve do "one more thing" at WWDC? I don't think so. He may take the opportunity to speak a little about the 970.

Because Apple outsources all production, they can't change all the models at once like that. At most we might see

1.4 GHz single 970 "PowerMac G5". With 512MB RAM, $2899.

15" Powerbook with 1.4GHz single 970, "PowerBook G5". With 512MB RAM, $3199.

No updates to anything else. No webcam (iChat will support a small variety of third-party USB and Firewire webcams).

Daveg5's prices are far too low. Even here, I may be estimating the prices too low. The bleeding edge is always costly.

And remember, Steve at WWDC is not announcing things to the world - the entire audience is under NDA. There will be leaks of course.

Cubist,

I would believe that last year. Not this year. In the post MacWorld NY world, WWDC is being used as a launch pad for the world. He is giving a keynote which you can expect to be broadcast and it will be used to at least introduce Panther and I expect at least talk about the 970. In this post MWNY world, Apple will be using it's OWN EVENTS to announce these things.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong...

MacBoyX

[molain]

Greetings all! I can guarantee you there will be a PowerMac at WWDC - we just sold our stock at my local computer store, and our manager was grumbling about how the owner wanted him to wait until "the new PowerMacs come out on the 23rd" before ordering a new one. Ergo, we'll be seeing a new PowerMac. Whether or not that PowerMac contains an IBM PPC 970 is yet to be determined, but putting stuff together (esp. that Motorola's 7457 isn't due until this fall), I'm 90% positive that it will.

Also, I'd be very shocked if the 970 found its way into an iMac or PowerBook - it'll probably sit in the towers only for now. I'd expect a 15" TiBook too - the one they have now lacks all the nice features of the 12" and 17" (bluetooth, airport extreme, etc.) and is a November model...it's due.

We'll know in two weeks!

[utilizer]

What I expect Hardwarewise at the WWDC:

Powermac G5 Pro
Dual 1.25 Ghz G4s still on sale-256 MB RAM -$1199 -until end of year

1.4 GHZ 970ppc; 512 MB RAM - $1899
Dual 1.4 970ppc; 512 MB RAM - $2499
Dual 1.8 970ppc; 1 GB RAM - $3499
all cdrw superdive $200 extra

$500 Rebates towards Office v.X, Quark 6, and Photoshop 8 (will be showcased at WWDC), available this October.

Note: Rebates paid for courtesy of Motorola, for screwing Apple (and us) over sometime next year when the judgement is made.

Powerbook G4 12" 1 GHZ 1MB L2 cache $1,799
Powerbook G4 15", 17" 1.2GHZ 19W 970ppc-- 15":$2,799 17":$3,799

NO IMAC UPDATES @ THIS VENUE; especially no 970 in them until next March when the 980 debuts at WWDC in May '04.

No ibook or emac updates:Agree

tons of software updates and releases, final cul, etc.---Don't agree with; more like iPhoto, maybe the DVD suite of apps, and iChat video conferencing.

oh and one more thing: You mean the wireless display thingy? No way, not at this forum! Look around Christmas time.

2megapixel firewire based camera with flash and video conferencing stand and of course the new version of ichat: Absolutely not. I'll take the fall for this one if I'm wrong though! The best we could hope for in this area is at the very most a built video camera in the new adjustable displays.

[Steradian]

I don't think that we will see the 970 til next year...Stop getting your hopes up...they are showing off Panther...not 970's... I really doubt that there will be any change to the Powermac line, not til CREATE. Panther...Panther...Panther.

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by Steradian
I don't think that we will see the 970 til next year...Stop getting your hopes up...they are showing off Panther...not 970's... I really doubt that there will be any change to the Powermac line, not til CREATE. Panther...Panther...Panther.
You really think we're going to see Phil Schiller announcing new Powermacs at CREATE?

The summer Macworld is dead. Long live WWDC! CREATE is not MWNY. WWDC is. In a twisted way, though.

Besides, how would Steve explain a 64-bit OS to audience without a 64-bit machine?

"Well, it has 64-bit support. Not that we're going to use it or anything..."

[daveg5]

Originally posted by e-coli
Try adding $1000 to each of those.

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing those prices. But I'd have to say it aint gonna happen. ;)

Wow do you really think Apple will unveil the bottom end 970 with cdrw at $2899.
they do want to sell some, they do want to increase market share right?
at this price they can keep the current powermac g4's in the line also.

My original crystal ball took into account that apple would give in on thier 34% or more profit per unit to increase market share and also thier recent price cuting.
but this is apple we are talking (about so here is my revised crystal ball)
hat I expect Hardwarewise at the WWDC:

Powermac G5 Pro
Dual 1.25 Ghz G4s still on sale-256 MB RAM $1299 -$1499 -until end of year (they got alot of these left, better to take a loss now and clear them out while they are still worth something, this will force older used powermac G4 cpu upgrade prices and used powermac prices way down to the bargain bin))

Powermac X5:
1.4 GHZ 970ppc; 256 MB RAM - $1999
1.6 GHZ 970ppc; 512 MB RAM - $2499
Dual 1.8 970ppc; 1 GB RAM - $3299 avail in sept.
all superdrive
from what i here the 970 1.4 is faster then the dual powermac 1.42 slightly, but slower then the p4, while the 1.6 is right on par with the p4, and the dual 1.8 quite a bit faster, would love to know fps in games and plugins in logic or mp3/dvd encoding/decoding, oh well soon very soon)

some rebates to clear out remaining powermac G4s Rebates towards Office v.X, Quark 6, and Photoshop 8 (will be showcased at WWDC), available this October.


Powerbook G4 12" 1 GHZ 1MB L2 cache $1,799

Powerbook X5 15", 17" 1.2GHZ 19W 970ppc-- 15":$2499 17":$3299

Possible Imac update to 1GHZ g4 15" $1199
and 1.25 GHZ G$ 17" $1699 both with 1MB L3 cache July or august upgrade

No ibook or emac updates:Agree

1 new app (office?) more xp apps announced


2megapixel firewire based camera with flash and video conferencing stand and of course the new version of ichat:

[daveg5]

i hope it looks better than that picture, should be 2 diff sizes for single and dual, have to wait till monday to find out

[macmunch]

Guys stop talking about this **** prices !

Apple cant go that high with the prices than the will sell less Power Macs and they even sell not many !


Which normal user wil lbuy a PM G5 with DUAL 1.8 for 6000 $
when even the 1.4 Single 3000 $ costs ?

************ !

The will introduce the G5 with the prices which are nox on the Power Macs they will stay !

1. Apple gets the Chip less expensive from IBM, moto wanted much money ! There will be much more PPC970 in Production than G4s because of the PPC970 Rack servers from IBM so its cheaper and we know IBM can build cheap chips ! :))

2. They will make it with the quantitie "They say hey ! When we annonce the G5 much more people will buy a PM because nobody wants since 1 year an old G4 with crap performace, everybody want the Killer G5 now they get and will buy ! So Apple will have good margins beacuse I say the will double the sell rates of the Power Macs with the introduction of the G5 !

[bertagert]

PowerBook:
12" 1 Ghz (G4)
15" 1 Ghz - 1.3 Ghz (G4)
17" 1.3 Ghz (G4)

PowerMacs
1.6, 1.8 & 2.0 Ghz (PPC970)

Software
Panther Preview
Safari 1.0
Itunes 4.02, Ipod 2.01
iPal 1.0

Hardware
ipal


I don't have a clue on prices but this is my guess. I have a feeling the PowerBooks will have the 970 but the logical side of me says still G4's. The PowerMacs won't have duals anymore.

Can't wait till monday to see how much of this is true, if any. Maybe we should have a prize for the person who gets the closest. Since pricing is very hard to speculate, the winner will be the one with the closest hardware/sofware specs.

Prizes:
1st Place - Apple hat and a free noogie
2nd Place - Apple sticker
3rd Place - Apple pen

[daveg5]

i originally added $200 to the current prices because of apple's past practices.
for instance when the orig g4 was out they had mega demand but could not ship the 500MHZ model because of our favorite company (moto).
What did Apple do to all of the people dying to but one , they upped the prices.
when the imac g4 came out and they could not keep up demand in a downturned economy what did they do just 2 months after release before most even got thiers, you got it they upped the prices.
Apple simply wants 34% or more profit per machine, darn the marketshare.
and just look at the a;most required ilife debacule, not to mention yearly $129 upgrades.
It is pretty much a given that these machines will cost Apple much less to produce, so you would think they will keep prices the same $1499-1999-2499-2699. but this is apple we are talking about.
i personally wish they would ship at $1299 1.4, $1499 1.6, $1999 dual 1.6,
$2499 dual 1.8 as that will go a long way toward gaining market share.
and liquidate remaining single 1ghz powermac at $999, dual 1.25 at $1299, dual 1.42 at $1499 and get rid of them quick at that price they would go fast and the dual1.42 should be as fast as the 970 1.4 at most things.
its time for a major price shakeup and performance boost we powermac g4 users have waited long enough even if this does slow sales of the imac emac in the short term until they are updated next.
unfortunately Apple prices itself out of many potential switchers budjet because of over inflated 34%+ profit margin.
The econmy is coming back slightly there is pent up demand for these, give the customers a price breakthrough to get these to move out as fast as they can make em.

[macmunch]

K on some things you might have right, but look Apple loses Users in the High performance area and there market share is sinking so the need a Kick ass Computer (CPU) to get the users back and win new !


So from my I see a very low G4 for entry and after that the PPC970 with a max rising in price of 100 or 200 $ but not more !

And nothing from Superdrive + !!

All machines will have it as standard or the 2 big models !!!!
Apple will get you in the DVD Hype with there software so why they should let it out and let pay you extra !

From my site a G4 @ 1,42 is more expensive than a 1,4 PPC970 or even a PPC970 @ 1,6 iam sure in this !

Today IBM will show there Rack servers with PPC970 and the performacne, so the will build many Chips be sure !

So good margins in East Fishkill (one of the best factorys not as bad as Moto factorys) with the new good technologie you will see how cheap they are for Apple!

And a radical Price reductions in all Models will come with the introduction from the PPC980 beacause when the PM gets this one others will get PPC970. And than Apple will or (can) put all prices on all systems down !!!!

Now they cant ! for example set a iMac G4 300 down and same on other models ! All will cry why i paid so much on this Computers ??? Apple is making so much money on me ???
****** Company ....

You know what I mean but when all systems get PPC970 they can say now they getting this chip extremly cheap and the PPC980 for Pro Systems !

[daveg5]

if so i want one as a prize

[daveg5]

Originally posted by bertagert
PowerBook:
12" 1 Ghz (G4)
15" 1 Ghz - 1.3 Ghz (G4)
17" 1.3 Ghz (G4)

PowerMacs
1.6, 1.8 & 2.0 Ghz (PPC970)

Software
Panther Preview
Safari 1.0
Itunes 4.02, Ipod 2.01
iPal 1.0

Hardware
ipal


I don't have a clue on prices but this is my guess. I have a feeling the PowerBooks will have the 970 but the logical side of me says still G4's. The PowerMacs won't have duals anymore.

Can't wait till monday to see how much of this is true, if any. Maybe we should have a prize for the person who gets the closest. Since pricing is very hard to speculate, the winner will be the one with the closest hardware/sofware specs.

Prizes:
1st Place - Apple hat and a free noogie
2nd Place - Apple sticker
3rd Place - Apple pen

you have the speeds but no duals i have the duals but spped.2 too slow cuz i listened to all the rumor site and ibm site saying 1.4-1.8 initial so i took ibm word it was wrong, we must split the prize

[bertagert]

Originally posted by daveg5
you have the speeds but no duals i have the duals but spped.2 too slow cuz i listened to all the rumor site and ibm site saying 1.4-1.8 initial so i took ibm word it was wrong, we must split the prize

I just want the hat. Of course I called ipod 2.01 and that came out today (which made my new 15 gig work much better I might add). We still have to wait till Monday. I guess I'm way off on the ipal thing as many have pointed out that its a fake.

Lets wait till monday and then tally the score sheet.

[daveg5]

this may be a deliberate tease by Apple to throw us off, the speeds could be much faster and the 970 could be put in more machines.
if it was a hacker and apple only has 1.4 ghz singles,
the hacker should be shot as it could really hurt apple's sales,
cause we will all be upset.
I am gonna stay optimistic and hope for at least what was leaked, i wont have the money for the dual until xmas anyway $2500 or less i hope.
peace

[daveg5]

this old linl claims as such. just think dual 2.5 top
dual 2.0 mid
single 1.8-2.0GHZ
with the powerbooks getting the slower chips and then later imac/emac in time for xmas
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/02/20030227065458.shtml

[daveg5]

Did I call the firewire camers at 149 or whathttp://forums.macrumors.com/images/icons/icon14.gif
did i call the powermac g4 125 at 1299
or what and the dual 125 100 off 1999 entry g5 (isaid 1.4) 100 off on mid and 300 off on top. not bad
although the other guy got the speeds before the leak right and desrves the hat
i want the mug.
come on macrumors give us are prizes
hehejavascript:smilie(':rolleyes:')