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MACDRIVE
Mar 27, 2007, 02:35 AM
http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=22857

Gives new meaning to the phrase - "be careful who you date."

mpw
Mar 27, 2007, 02:49 AM
Man Barbecues Ex-Girlfriend
Mmmmm spit-roast, yum.

devilot
Mar 27, 2007, 02:55 AM
That is so tragic. It really is. She was only nineteen. :(

Scarlet Fever
Mar 27, 2007, 03:24 AM
ah man... i watched Silence Of The Lambs just last night...

dukebound85
Mar 27, 2007, 03:24 AM
that SOB deserves everything that's coming to him. i would show NO mercy towards this guy. who in their right mind would ever defend him

biturbomunkie
Mar 27, 2007, 03:30 AM
i just had barbeque ribs for din-din...

who in their right mind would ever defend him

not being able to choose my clients is one of the reasons that i don't see myself becoming a lawyer.

GFLPraxis
Mar 27, 2007, 03:34 AM
I found the girl's myspace with a quick google. Makes it more real when you see pictures of them smiling with family and friends.

The man is either insane, or pure evil. It's people like that you wish you could just send back in time for a good flogging and hanging...

jimN
Mar 27, 2007, 04:28 AM
not being able to choose my clients is one of the reasons that i don't see myself becoming a lawyer.

I thought you could choose not to defend someone, especially if you know them to be guilty. Client-attorney privilege may prevent you from grassing them up but to defend someone you knew to be guilty would be perjury, so you must be allowed to refuse in certain circumstances.

Abstract
Mar 27, 2007, 07:28 AM
that SOB deserves everything that's coming to him. i would show NO mercy towards this guy. who in their right mind would ever defend him

I wish you could hang people in the US. Personally, that would be cool with me.

mufflon
Mar 27, 2007, 07:50 AM
that SOB deserves everything that's coming to him. i would show NO mercy towards this guy. who in their right mind would ever defend him

Had I been a defense attorney I wouldn't actively seek out that kind of cases, but I wouldn't have turned him down either - everyone deserves a fair trial, even the ones you already know are guilty... ... then again I would never study to be any kind of attorney so it's kind of a moot point.

benthewraith
Mar 27, 2007, 08:26 AM
i just had barbeque ribs for din-din...



not being able to choose my clients is one of the reasons that i don't see myself becoming a lawyer.

Well, you could be a prosecutor...

notjustjay
Mar 27, 2007, 09:38 AM
Had I been a defense attorney I wouldn't actively seek out that kind of cases, but I wouldn't have turned him down either - everyone deserves a fair trial, even the ones you already know are guilty... ... then again I would never study to be any kind of attorney so it's kind of a moot point.

Yuck. I'm not sure how I would live with that.

If I knew my client was guilty then I would probably have to be fighting for some legal loophole. "Sorry, my client can't be punished because according to paragraph C subsection 12, the police officers were supposed to provide 3 copies of document X, and they only provided 2. Therefore, I move that this entire process infringes upon his privacy rights and he deserves to go free."

Ugh.

TequilaBoobs
Mar 27, 2007, 09:42 AM
That is so tragic. It really is. She was only nineteen. :(

thousands of american teens have met tragic deaths in iraq...

devilot
Mar 27, 2007, 09:46 AM
thousands of american teens have met tragic deaths in iraq...That came outta nowhere. I never said tragedy doesn't exist in other forms. :rolleyes:

savar
Mar 27, 2007, 09:50 AM
Yuck. I'm not sure how I would live with that.

If I knew my client was guilty then I would probably have to be fighting for some legal loophole. "Sorry, my client can't be punished because according to paragraph C subsection 12, the police officers were supposed to provide 3 copies of document X, and they only provided 2. Therefore, I move that this entire process infringes upon his privacy rights and he deserves to go free."

Ugh.

Did somebody delete posts?? I'm having a hard time following this thread.

Anyway, I saw this on CNN. This kind of thing is so shocking to me, because we live in a country where Janet Jackson can't show a nipple, and nobody can roll a joint, but we can read about unspeakable evil on the front page of CNN.

This country would sell super bowls ads to the devil as long as he didn't smoke weed or show a tit.

There was a similar story last week about a poor girl who's favorite dog went missing...some jackal found the dog, chopped off its head, and sent it to her on valentines day with a box of chocolates. (Did I mention the girl's parents both died? She lives with her grandma and that dog was the most important thing in the world to her.)

But anyway, coming back to the topic: on the one hand, the idealist in me believes everybody deserves a fair trial. On the other hand, if we get to trial and this guy admits "yes I did chop up the person I claimed to love and then burned the remains on a weber grill" -- let's just stop the show there and bury the guy alive.

Why do we give attention to people like this? It just spreads the sickness further.

nbs2
Mar 27, 2007, 09:59 AM
Lawyers can choose their clients. But, a court can assign any lawyer to represent a client. You can ask to be recused, but usually under very strict provisions. The courts don't like to futz around.

Let me ask those of you who would refuse to defend him - what if the guy is a total nutjob? Or what if she came at him with a gun - maybe he killed her in self defense. Sure the disposal method was a probably a crime, but he wouldn't be guily of murder. Your swift condemnation is why every person needs to be defended.

notjustjay
Mar 27, 2007, 10:42 AM
Let me ask those of you who would refuse to defend him - what if the guy is a total nutjob? Or what if she came at him with a gun - maybe he killed her in self defense. Sure the disposal method was a probably a crime, but he wouldn't be guily of murder. Your swift condemnation is why every person needs to be defended.

Ok, granted, everyone deserves consideration for extenuating circumstances. If the guy was a nutjob I would want him to be locked away in an institution or otherwise get professional help.

It's just that we hear all too often about folks whose circumstances are highly, highly, highly suspicious, who get off on a technicality (such as a police beaurocratic oversight) or pay their way out with an out-of-court settlement. They are clearly guilty, everyone knows it, they've all but admitted it, but they slip through the cracks. I would hate to be the (stereotypical, granted) sleazy lawyer trying to facilitate such arrangements.

You can probably think of some very high-profile ones, too.

SteveG4Cube
Mar 27, 2007, 12:51 PM
I wish you could hang people in the US. Personally, that would be cool with me.

In Washington, you can...

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/methods.htm

Idaho and Utah sound fun, too

zach
Mar 27, 2007, 12:57 PM
that's pretty cute.

calculus
Mar 27, 2007, 01:02 PM
On the other hand, if we get to trial and this guy admits "yes I did chop up the person I claimed to love and then burned the remains on a weber grill" -- let's just stop the show there and bury the guy alive.



Nobody ever made a false confession then?

GFLPraxis
Mar 27, 2007, 01:03 PM
I'm curious; do lawyer's usually know if their client is innocent or guilty?

I mean, the lawyer has to ask for their client's side of the story to defend them, and would be the first to see holes.

iPhil
Mar 27, 2007, 01:04 PM
Florida - Lethal injection unless inmate elects electrocution. If lethal injection or electrocution held unconstitutional, then any legal method.


:eek: Umm any legal means

wordmunger
Mar 27, 2007, 01:08 PM
I wish you could hang people in the US. Personally, that would be cool with me.

As I've aged, I've gradually become more and more opposed to the death penalty. As a teen and into my 20s, I was wholeheartedly in favor of it. Now I think it's a bad idea to punish murderers by murdering. Throw the guy in jail for life. That should be punishment enough.

princealfie
Mar 27, 2007, 01:21 PM
Hmm... well we could roast that guy on a Mickey D's grill and serve him up to customers as fast food. I suspect that most fast food is the product of dismemberment anyways.

spicyapple
Mar 27, 2007, 01:24 PM
This gives new meaning to "roasting someone at dinner".

princealfie
Mar 27, 2007, 03:40 PM
http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=22857

Gives new meaning to the phrase - "be careful who you date."

Being somewhat of a feminist, I still think that violence against women needs to be an issue that isn't scandal based but more moral outrage is necessary! :mad:

TequilaBoobs
Mar 27, 2007, 06:11 PM
As I've aged, I've gradually become more and more opposed to the death penalty. As a teen and into my 20s, I was wholeheartedly in favor of it. Now I think it's a bad idea to punish murderers by murdering. Throw the guy in jail for life. That should be punishment enough.

the reason why i believe in no death penalty is because a very high % of those killed are innocent. killing a person would require a 100% guarantee of guilt, cuz death is final, but all legal systems are far from perfect...

Lord Blackadder
Mar 27, 2007, 11:23 PM
Holeee ****. Very scary indeed.

Sun Baked
Mar 27, 2007, 11:27 PM
Sort of sad that the guy cannot cook ... :(

If he was good, the neighbors probably would have carted off the leftovers.

iMacZealot
Mar 27, 2007, 11:37 PM
Perhaps this is what I should do with my (ex)girlfriend, who I caught sleeping with my best friend.

In all seriousness, what a sad, sad, story.

GamecockMac
Mar 28, 2007, 01:14 AM
thousands of american teens have met tragic deaths in iraq...

Stupid comparison.

The teens you are referring to volunteered and died doing their jobs, many of them knew this was a possibility. This poor girl didn't ask to be murdered, dismembered and grilled. Both cases are tragic, but not in anywhere near the same way.

jamericani
Mar 28, 2007, 08:10 AM
This is an example to how deep and dark the human soul is or can be.

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 28, 2007, 08:25 AM
Authorities said Shepherd has confessed to strangling and dismembering Stewart, a college freshman who was home on spring break, because he was angry that she had started a new relationship.


I'm really surprised how many people feel comfortable making jokes about this when the croc hunter or anna nicole smith died the slightest joke was instantly flamed. Do we only respect dead celebrities? A normal girl just living her life dies and this is funny? I'm not a college girl from texas, but I find it much easier to emphasize for this person than a guy who tormented animals for a living and finally got killed by one, or a woman whose life of porn and drugs ended in an overdose. Not that all death isn't tragic, but if anything is going to break your heart I think this should.

TequilaBoobs
Mar 28, 2007, 03:29 PM
Stupid comparison.

The teens you are referring to volunteered and died doing their jobs, many of them knew this was a possibility. This poor girl didn't ask to be murdered, dismembered and grilled. Both cases are tragic, but not in anywhere near the same way.

stupid, eh? im glad you are so opinionated. however, defining tragedy is somewhat subjective and dependant on one's interpretation. but let's get official.

the official definition of tragedy is: a lamentable, dreadful, or fatal event or affair; calamity; disaster: the tragedy of war.

or: A disastrous event, especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life: an expedition that ended in tragedy, with all hands lost at sea. (do you think seaman consider the possibility of death on a boat in the middle of a sea?)

and stupid defined: 1. lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
2. characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
3. tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless: a stupid party.
4. annoying or irritating; troublesome: Turn off that stupid radio.
5. in a state of stupor; stupefied: stupid from fatigue.
6. Slang. excellent; terrific.

thus, a lamentable loss of life is considered tragic, no matter what the circumstances preceeding and contributing to the disastrous event. and my comparison is not stupid, according to the definition.

so before you start using words you don't understand, i would pick up a dictionary and learn the meanings, before criticizing others for using the right interpretation. :D

iBlue
Mar 29, 2007, 04:25 AM
Being somewhat of a feminist...
HAHAHA, sorry, you lost me with this statement. Weren't you the one who was all gung-ho on russian mail order brides and trashing american women because they expect too much (won't date you) and such? feminist indeed! :rolleyes:

ghall
Mar 29, 2007, 01:44 PM
Did she taste like pork (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=250301`)?

Salasm
Mar 29, 2007, 05:10 PM
Did she taste like pork (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=250301`)?

i dunno, but eating her never tasted so good.

Ja Di ksw
Mar 30, 2007, 10:23 PM
This is a very sad story. Some people find humor in this? Just goes to show how desensitized we've become, which is another sad story.

Yes, give the guy a fair trial, everyone deserves a fair trial.

A tragedy is a tragedy. Stop trying to argue about which one is "more tragic."

No, we shouldn't just care about celebrities. Personally, I couldn't care less about the life of a celebrity unless they were doing something good with their fame, which brings me to:

The Crocodile Hunter was not "tormenting" animals. You claim to get angry at people making fun of a death and then mock a man who helped the world out a lot and then passed away.

zap2
Mar 30, 2007, 10:29 PM
Huge all around guys and girls?

Sad, yes, but am I going to lose sleep over this? No, I can't, if I didn't I'd be constantly crying , there just to much death pain.

Thats why we are desensitized, we hear about death daily, it a natural part of life(although cooking someone isn't)

Sun Baked
Mar 30, 2007, 10:32 PM
This is a very sad story. Some people find humor in this? Just goes to show how desensitized we've become, which is another sad story.

At least with the people making jokes about it, they are releasing their emotion in a far less dangerous direction than those that let strong anger fester.

Sort of worry more about the angry asses more than the jokesters, since the angry men are likely to go out and lynch this bastard.

Strong anger isn't alway the best or safest emotion, especially if it can lead to more criminal charges.

Sometimes you can either try to laugh about it, or go out and try to kill someone.

Ja Di ksw
Mar 30, 2007, 10:41 PM
If I thought people were making jokes so they wouldn't be saddened, that would be one thing. I honestly think they just find it funny, though.

Yes, I agree that the angry ones can cause more of a problem.

EricNau
Mar 30, 2007, 11:39 PM
Truly one of the sickest stories I have ever heard.

I wish you could hang people in the US. Personally, that would be cool with me.
We still have the electric chair. ;)

GamecockMac
Apr 3, 2007, 10:57 AM
stupid, eh? im glad you are so opinionated. however, defining tragedy is somewhat subjective and dependant on one's interpretation. but let's get official.

the official definition of tragedy is: a lamentable, dreadful, or fatal event or affair; calamity; disaster: the tragedy of war.

or: A disastrous event, especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life: an expedition that ended in tragedy, with all hands lost at sea. (do you think seaman consider the possibility of death on a boat in the middle of a sea?)

and stupid defined: 1. lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
2. characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
3. tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless: a stupid party.
4. annoying or irritating; troublesome: Turn off that stupid radio.
5. in a state of stupor; stupefied: stupid from fatigue.
6. Slang. excellent; terrific.

thus, a lamentable loss of life is considered tragic, no matter what the circumstances preceeding and contributing to the disastrous event. and my comparison is not stupid, according to the definition.

so before you start using words you don't understand, i would pick up a dictionary and learn the meanings, before criticizing others for using the right interpretation. :D

I guess you were in such a hurry to break out your Webster's and start copypasting definitions (as though that demonstrates intelligence), that you overlooked the last sentence of my post. So I'll repeat it for the reading-impaired...

Both cases are tragic, but not in anywhere near the same way.

Did you get it that time? Hope so.

By the way, your comparison was, and is still, characterized by mental dullness. It was also quite inane.

TequilaBoobs
Apr 3, 2007, 12:42 PM
I guess you were in such a hurry to break out your Webster's and start copypasting definitions (as though that demonstrates intelligence), that you overlooked the last sentence of my post. So I'll repeat it for the reading-impaired...

Both cases are tragic, but not in anywhere near the same way.

Did you get it that time? Hope so.

By the way, your comparison was, and is still, characterized by mental dullness. It was also quite inane.

your pain makes me smile. ;)