Ubuntu 7.04 beta feisty

[clevin]

codename Feisty. Ubuntu 7.04 includes some very interesting stuff.

1. windows migrating assistant

2. auto download of media codec when open media files, this is a big complain from many new users, and in 7.04, it was almost totally solved, mp3, aac, xvid, divx, wmv, etc, etc all played well. (almost, means commercial DVD playback still is a little bit tricky for new users.)

3. desktop effects, final release probably will only includes wobbly windows and 3D cube virtual desktops. But Beryl is already in Ubuntu's repositories, so its very easy to get 3D effects on very basic video settings, (works well on my Mobile Radeon 7500 with 32MB VRAM)(so far, its leading among all OSes). as described in this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NoF8_Ivdq1c

This screenshot is my actual setup, for other effects and official pics, read my follow up posts below:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3785/screenshot480x360nx1.png
I played with it for almost a day so far, its very well build. Whoever interested can download *.iso file from http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ Its a LiveCD, means system can be run from CD without any affect on your original System, of course, to install Beryl, U need to install it.

Also, the final release will be in mid April, at which users can goto their store and order CDs for free (completely free, no shipping cost at all.)

[dpaanlka]

1 and 2 are hot features. Especially 2. If I was using a PC, I'd probably be using this.

[yg17]

any good step by step instructions on installing this on an external drive with a bootcamped Vista install? I really want to try this out

[clevin]

any good step by step instructions on installing this on an external drive with a bootcamped Vista install? I really want to try this out

I have yet to find any clue of linux/windows/OSX 3 booting machine, which might be because I didn't pay enough attention.

The thing about this is it needs to write grub on internal disk so it can create a bootloader. I don't know how it will be done. I will do some research tho.

here

http://ask.metafilter.com/53694/Installing-Linux-on-my-Macs-external-hard-drive
there are several interesting links in the "comments", check them out. (they are all pretty outdated tho)

[localoid]

I have yet to find any clue of linux/windows/OSX 3 booting machine, which might be because I didn't pay enough attention....


You need to use: rEFIt (http://refit.sourceforge.net/) on Mac Intel machines ~ Googled (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-40,GGGL:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=rEFIt+Boot+Camp)

See, for example: triple booting (http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Triple_Boot_via_BootCamp#Hardware_.26_install_CDs) via Boot Camp

[clevin]

thanks for the links

Here, I want to further emphasis the 3D effects in Ubuntu 7.04.

Compiz/Beryl said to be run "acceptable" with 256MB system RAM. and It runs smooth on my 32MB VRAM 7500 and 512MB system memory, with P4 1.8m.

Ubuntu 7.04 so far has Compiz built in and can be enabled from system menu, very easy. But there are only 2 options available through Ubuntu's GUI: wobbly windows, and desktops on a cube.

It works like this
http://www.go-compiz.org/images/2/29/Wobbly.jpg
http://www.go-compiz.org/images/b/be/3DPlugin.jpg

At the same time Ubuntu's repositories also has Beryl. (Just open Synaptic Package Manager, and search for Beryl). Users can access more 3D eye candies from Beryl Setting manager. Beryl is generally regarded as less stable than Compiz, but recently they were working hard to polish code and License issues, furthermore, it was announced that Compiz and Beryl team would re-merge with each other (http://news.linux.com/news/07/03/24/1551227.shtml?tid=13&tid=96) (Beryl was a fork of Compiz, separated last year), which is a great news.

These are screenshots from Beryl-project.org (I have no idea and don't have any confidence that the effects shown below would be exclusive to Beryl)
http://www.beryl-project.org/images/scale_demo.png
http://www.beryl-project.org/images/switcher_demo.png
http://www.beryl-project.org/images/cube_demo.png
http://www.beryl-project.org/images/anim_demo.png

[dpaanlka]

From what I've seen Beryl is just overkill. I think there was a thread or something on it before.

My eyes start to hurt when every single action results in some sort of twirling jiggling swirling twisting melting swooping response.

Like a child who just discovered a new toy and plays the hell out of it until it isn't fun anymore.

[clevin]

oh, yeah, I am sure there are different user groups out there. Some like more 3Ds, some would prefer less, and Beryl does offer a comprehensive settings, be default, it only works with comparable tricks as Windows Vista and OSX (taskbar thumbnail, expose, max/minimum effects etc), with further functions (transparent 3D cube, zoom in area of desktop, etc, etc) being accessible to users who would like to explore it.

Also, Ubuntu by default does not have Beryl installed. It has a simplified Compiz GUI offering users 2 simple 3D functions (window effect and 3D cube).

As I have been using it for around 2 days, the day-to-day use isn't much different from winodws/OSX, with 3D effects for comparable amount of operations as Vista/(probably Leopard). of course, its much more real 3D than Vista for sure, coz I happened to have a Vista machine (belongs to my roommate) here, and I can do comparison betwwen all 3 OSes, :)

[AppleGuy08]

ive got the fiesty beta running on my windows laptop right now. I installed it using WUBI, so when i boot my computer up it asks me which OS i want to boot. I have vista on my PC, and i had it on my laptop as well, but i had to put on XP because WUBI doesnt work with vista yet. I made an ISO disk with toast 8 of the Fiesty iso file, but it wont let me boot from the disk on the laptop or the PC, so i had to use WUBI. Is there something im doing wrong?

Also, im having a hell of a time connecting to my wifi. Ive got a compatible built in dell wifi card and it sees my network but it wont connect. the ehternet line works fine though.

[clevin]

ive got the fiesty beta running on my windows laptop right now. I installed it using WUBI, so when i boot my computer up it asks me which OS i want to boot. I have vista on my PC, and i had it on my laptop as well, but i had to put on XP because WUBI doesnt work with vista yet. I made an ISO disk with toast 8 of the Fiesty iso file, but it wont let me boot from the disk on the laptop or the PC, so i had to use WUBI. Is there something im doing wrong?

Also, im having a hell of a time connecting to my wifi. Ive got a compatible built in dell wifi card and it sees my network but it wont connect. the ehternet line works fine though.

im sorry, what is WUBI?

[nateDEEZY]

This definitely looks like something worth checking out :)

Thanks!

[AppleGuy08]

im sorry, what is WUBI?

oh im sorry. WUBI is a little program released by the people who make all this ubuntu stuff. It allows you to run linux without having to erase all your windows stuff. Heres a link. WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html)

Im also trying to find a good link to download beryl. argh

[clevin]

oh im sorry. WUBI is a little program released by the people who make all this ubuntu stuff. It allows you to run linux without having to erase all your windows stuff. Heres a link. WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html)

Im also trying to find a good link to download beryl. argh

Im sorry, I never used that, If its a VM style app, it will prevent Ubuntu from accessing the hardware like wireless card or video card (thus beryl might not be able to run under that neither).

My suggestion is boot your machine with Ubuntu LiveCD, it will NOT affect your computer at all, but u will be able to test and see if Ubuntu is compatible with your wireless card, only when You feel u like it, u can think next step if you want to install it.

[vniow]

Im sorry, I never used that, If its a VM style app, it will prevent Ubuntu from accessing the hardware like wireless card or video card (thus beryl might not be able to run under that neither).



Its not a VM solution, its more similar to how BeOS worked when you installed it from Windows. It installs Ubuntu to a file on your Windows drive.

More here: http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/faq.html

[clevin]

Its not a VM solution, its more similar to how BeOS worked when you installed it from Windows. It installs Ubuntu to a file on your Windows drive.

More here: http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/faq.html

im just not sure it Ubuntu will be able to access hardwares uner WUBI, best way to test this is to use LivdCD.

[wmmk]

Can you do this stuff in kubuntu? I've always preferred KDE over Gnome.

[vniow]

Can you do this stuff in kubuntu? I've always preferred KDE over Gnome.



Yep.

[clevin]

Can you do this stuff in kubuntu? I've always preferred KDE over Gnome.

yes, Beryl always bragging about its independence from Gnome.:D

[patrick0brien]

-All

I'm running Parallels - anybody have luck installing this in a VM?

[clevin]

-All

I'm running Parallels - anybody have luck installing this in a VM?

i tried Parallels before with Ubuntu, im not sure if it can run it fairly, but one thing i can be sure is:

Beryl will not run on VM, coz it will not be able to access graphic card.

[patrick0brien]

i tried Parallels before with Ubuntu, im not sure if it can run it fairly, but one thing i can be sure is:

Beryl will not run on VM, coz it will not be able to access graphic card.

-clevin

Yes, sorry I wasn't more clear - anybody running 7.04 w/o Beryl in a VM?

[hvfsl]

I didn't realise it would run on older hardware like that (for some reason I got the idea it needed at least a DX8 type card). I have a similar laptop which I use to try out Linux on (2Ghz P4M and Geforce 2Go), so will probably give it a go. :D

[AppleGuy08]

Ah alright, after about an hour of searching over at the ubuntu forums I found answers to my problems. My wifi is working and beryl is installed and running perfectly. yay!

[AppleGuy08]

oh yah, i have one question here clevin, ive been messing around with the cube settings for a while now, and i cant figure out how to get it all 3d like you have in your screen shot. is i possible for you to take a screenshot of your setting box so i can see what i have set wrong? thanks.

[nateDEEZY]

As ubuntu is installing right now on my iMac, i'm praying to god i did it right and didn't wipe out os x :D

I'm almost 75% sure I didn't. At this moment it's 47% done installing system. :p

Update: I'm back on OS X :D So obviously that means I didn't wipe it out :P Now all I need to do is find all the drivers for the 24" iMac

[AppleGuy08]

hey thats awesome. I really want to install it on my ibook but i cant figure out what is wrong with the partitions. i select the option to install it on the remaning space left (about 40 gigs) but it says insufficient and says theres like 35 mb left. So i think im goign to try to iron that out tonight. Also, my mouse pointer is incredibly slow. argh.

update: i figurred out the partitioning problem. i downloaded Gparted and cut a nice 10 gig slice out of the HD for ubuntu. yay

[clevin]

oh yah, i have one question here clevin, ive been messing around with the cube settings for a while now, and i cant figure out how to get it all 3d like you have in your screen shot. is i possible for you to take a screenshot of your setting box so i can see what i have set wrong? thanks.

applications->accessories->take a screenshot, u can set a delay time, (like 5 second), and u can rotate ur cube during that time.

As ubuntu is installing right now on my iMac, i'm praying to god i did it right and didn't wipe out os x

I'm almost 75% sure I didn't. At this moment it's 47% done installing system.

Update: I'm back on OS X So obviously that means I didn't wipe it out :P Now all I need to do is find all the drivers for the 24" iMac

:D, linux distroes now all trying to play safe, it will not hurt the host system. I repeatedly used my 4G partition to try numerous different ones, like SuSE, FC, Ubuntu, Xandros, Linspire, etc, etc..

Right now Ubuntu 7.04 beta sometimes give me problem (I suspect its because my laptop is dying, its 4 years old, and the DVD drive can't read DVD anymore..), I will eventually settle down on 7.04 final release, which should be in this month.

[nateDEEZY]

:D, linux distroes now all trying to play safe, it will not hurt the host system. I repeatedly used my 4G partition to try numerous different ones, like SuSE, FC, Ubuntu, Xandros, Linspire, etc, etc..


Well I had no idea what a swap partition was or a ext3 and a mount point of "/" was either.. I'm a huge huge novice when it comes to linux.. The only experience I've had installing ubuntu was on older pc's where i just wiped out the entire hd and didn't worry about any other OS.

I didn't know in Ubuntu I had to delete the partition I made using bootcamp then split it up into 2 partitions the ext3 with mount point / and a "swap" partition with 256mb.

Anyways lol it was getting late and i end up destroying the GUI in ubuntu.. trying to enable 3d acceleration and/or get the resolution past 1024x768...

Ahh the support forums are so weak in regards to iMac, it's pretty much just people with MacBooks and MBP's as far as intel macs go.

So this weekend i'm hoping to get ubuntu running smoothly with everything working properly, displaying 1900x1200 and 3d acceleration.

[AppleGuy08]

hah no no clevin, i meant if you could take a picture of your settings so I can see what im doing wrong. lol.

[savar]

I've recently gotten my first exposure to ubuntu using it as a server for a client of mine. Can somebody explain to me what fiesty, edgy, etc. means? I vaguely understand it has something to do with different licensing schemes.

[atari1356]

Looks interesting... it's been a long time since I tried Ubuntu (or any other Linux distro). So, I'll grab the Live CD and try that on my old PC.

Whenever I've tried Linux in the past, it's always been an endless fight trying to get the computer configured to do what I wanted - hopefully things have gotten a bit easier. :o

[nateDEEZY]

Looks interesting... it's been a long time since I tried Ubuntu (or any other Linux distro). So, I'll grab the Live CD and try that on my old PC.

Whenever I've tried Linux in the past, it's always been an endless fight trying to get the computer configured to do what I wanted - hopefully things have gotten a bit easier. :o

With edgy me being a complete novice (no experience with linux what-so-ever) it took me 2 nights to get it running perfect.. Even with Wi-Fi, but to get the wifi working i had to use linuxant (er something like that) i think it was $19~$20 but I just did the trial :p

[AppleGuy08]

hey nate dreezy, is that the name of the program or are you not sure? because my wifi is acting up and i want to get it working again

[Eidorian]

-All

I'm running Parallels - anybody have luck installing this in a VM?I got Herd 1 and 4 to work via Parallels. To the best of my knowledge Beta 1 won't work. There are kernel changes for Ubuntu Herd 5 and Beta. It doesn't like Parallels virtual drive. (Real disc or image.)

[nateDEEZY]

hey nate dreezy, is that the name of the program or are you not sure? because my wifi is acting up and i want to get it working again

http://www.linuxant.com/company/

Thats the name of the company who provides the drivers/program thingy to get wifi working properly. Make sure they support you first and try the trial to see if it works with you.

[AppleGuy08]

alright thanks. ugh, im having a hard time getting beryl to install on my ibook. im following instructions on how to install it on an ATI card (which worked for my dell) bu for some reason all it is doing is installing the beryl settings manager and not the actual program itself.

[clevin]

alright thanks. ugh, im having a hard time getting beryl to install on my ibook. im following instructions on how to install it on an ATI card (which worked for my dell) bu for some reason all it is doing is installing the beryl settings manager and not the actual program itself.

I installed Beryl through Ubuntu 7.04's default Synaptic Package Manager.

Can somebody explain to me what fiesty, edgy, etc. means?
Its all code names
dapper is Ubunti 6.04
edgy is Ubuntu 6.10
feisty is Ubuntu 7.04

i meant if you could take a picture of your settings so I can see what im doing wrong. lol.
sorry i misunderstood it, here it is:
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2771/screenshotberylsettingskg4.png
other tabs:
uncheck draw caps
enable skydome, the skydome pic must be power of 2, such as 2048x1024, or 1024x512
transparent cube, yes when moving

thats all.:D

[iJawn108]

It's very cool, I had it runing on my friends busted dell for a little while. I going to get an old imac or PC to run it on once it's released just for fun.

[mrkramer]

how much space does it take up, I may want to try dual booting on my powerbook.

[Eidorian]

how much space does it take up, I may want to try dual booting on my powerbook.I believe 4 GB is the minimum. You can try most of it off of the live CD though.

[nateDEEZY]

I believe 4 GB is the minimum. You can try most of it off of the live CD though.

From what I recall during the install it says 2GB minimum and then 256mb minimum for the swap. I'm 99% certain it's 2gb minimum, but on that off chance I'm wrong, sorry! :p

[clevin]

From what I recall during the install it says 2GB minimum and then 256mb minimum for the swap. I'm 99% certain it's 2gb minimum, but on that off chance I'm wrong, sorry! :p

you are right! :D

Ubuntu's minimum disk space requirement is 2G, while Xubuntu's is 1.5G. 256MB for swap, thats 2.256 in total.

Better try LiveCD first, make sure u like it or not, no need to rush, :D

[nateDEEZY]

you are right! :D

Ubuntu's minimum disk space requirement is 2G, while Xubuntu's is 1.5G. 256MB for swap, thats 2.256 in total.

Better try LiveCD first, make sure u like it or not, no need to rush, :D

Haha thanks :D I appreciate the reassurance... blah but I had to give up trying to get it to work on the 24" iMac >_< Well for now! Haha. I'll probably have better luck on my older P4 PC :p

[Eidorian]

Haha thanks :D I appreciate the reassurance... blah but I had to give up trying to get it to work on the 24" iMac >_< Well for now! Haha. I'll probably have better luck on my older P4 PC :pI've noticed that the Intel iMac's have issues with Ubuntu. It works just fine on my Mac mini though. It must be all the non-standard hardware on the iMac.

[j26]

I have it downloaded, and am about to burn it to CD.

How do you boot from a Live CD with a Macbook?

[Eidorian]

I have it downloaded, and am about to burn it to CD.

How do you boot from a Live CD with a Macbook?Hold down 'C' or "Option" when you boot your Mac.

[j26]

Hold down 'C' or "Option" when you boot your Mac.

Thanks.

[clevin]

emerald is the metacity substitute with transparent effects U can use with beryl, u can install it from synaptic pckage manager. I have the impression that emerald need better graphic card (GMA950 is fine, but my 32MB ATi 7500m has some glitches when enable emerald.)

this is how it looks, [emerald is very customizable, this is only one of them]
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4594/screenshot1sb3.png

[AppleGuy08]

Man thats nice lookin. Ive been trying to get kiba-dock installed, ugh, its a pain for some reason right now.

[clevin]

lol, Kiba-dock is really interesting, Im thinking when Ubuntu 7.04 finally out, kiba-dock might be more stable, if more ppl would like to have it. its more like a funny game than realistic useful.:D

ps. now i have 3 OSes on two laptops (I got this cheap laptop from microcenter, $399, and found a 120G HDD inside, instead of 80G as described in store, :D), Ubuntu+Beryl+emerald seems to have best 3D UI with this cheap low-end hardwares. I did some DVD ripping and transcoding, This Ubuntu Feisty behaves pretty solid so far. Vista basic runs ok, but a little bit slow when running 3 apps together.

[AppleGuy08]

ugh, ive been trying to reinstall feisty on my ibook for like an hour and its not working for shiz. i have an 8 gig partition for it already made in gparted, but when i choose manual partitioning, then click on the partition and click install, it says mount point not specified. I have no idea what the mount path is. Do you know what i should do, or what the mount point is?

[clevin]

ugh, ive been trying to reinstall feisty on my ibook for like an hour and its not working for shiz. i have an 8 gig partition for it already made in gparted, but when i choose manual partitioning, then click on the partition and click install, it says mount point not specified. I have no idea what the mount path is. Do you know what i should do, or what the mount point is?

u should mount the partition u prepared for linux as forward slash. like this.
/

[dcv]

This looks cool. I've been meaning to try out Ubuntu on a *really* old Vaio notebook I still have lying around somewhere. I don't expect the visual effects will work too well though! Can't remember the exact specs but it's a P3 650MHz or something with 256MB RAM... I wonder if it would even install on that?

[clevin]

This looks cool. I've been meaning to try out Ubuntu on a *really* old Vaio notebook I still have lying around somewhere. I don't expect the visual effects will work too well though! Can't remember the exact specs but it's a P3 650MHz or something with 256MB RAM... I wonder if it would even install on that?

it will be slow, but if they computer is in retire, go ahead try it out, u can, of course, download Xubuntu (http://www.xubuntu.org/) instead, which require less system resources.

[AppleGuy08]

Shoot I was wrong, I mounted that partition just fine, the error that always comes up says "no root file system defined." Thats where I'm getting stuck.

[clevin]

Shoot I was wrong, I mounted that partition just fine, the error that always comes up says "no root file system defined." Thats where I'm getting stuck.

i have no idea, my guess would be u need to format the partition into ext3. I never saw that before tho. maybe do some google search

[nateDEEZY]

Shoot I was wrong, I mounted that partition just fine, the error that always comes up says "no root file system defined." Thats where I'm getting stuck.

Okay, when you get to the manual section of the ubuntu feisty install. Delete that 8gb partition you made, now select the freespace it should be saying something like... "Free Space 8XXXmb" (something like that, if you made an 8gb partition) Subtract 256mb from that number then select it and create new partition and use that number minus the 256mb, chose ext3 as file structure and then mount point of "/" now click okay. Now you'll see "Freespace 256mb" select that and create a new partition and it's file structure or whatever make it "swap"

I forgot what everything is actually called, i don't remember if that drop down menu is in fact called "File Structure" But I hope you at least kind of understand that.. heh I'm terrible at creating instructions from memory =S

But that should work!

[mkrishnan]

Wow, so ... coming from outside the Linux world, and only seeing snapshots, I do think both Beryl (if over the top) and Emerald are fairly impressive. Wubi is an outstanding idea, also.

One quick question? Any progress with the latest Ubuntu in terms of bluetooth? Are mice / keyboards / audio devices configurable via point and click? Can the live CD be used on a Mac that has only a BT mouse and kb? Also is there an integrated PIM that works with any major cell phones via BT?

[clevin]

Wow, so ... coming from outside the Linux world, and only seeing snapshots, I do think both Beryl (if over the top) and Emerald are fairly impressive. Wubi is an outstanding idea, also.

One quick question? Any progress with the latest Ubuntu in terms of bluetooth? Are mice / keyboards / audio devices configurable via point and click? Can the live CD be used on a Mac that has only a BT mouse and kb? Also is there an integrated PIM that works with any major cell phones via BT?
according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/32415
it doesn't seem to "work out of box",

[mkrishnan]

according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/32415
it doesn't seem to "work out of box",

Thanks for doing the legwork for me. :o That was very informative...sounds like it's fairly close. I wouldn't consider it a solution until it can be done without command line interventions, though.... But still, I'm glad to see Ubuntu is doing so well, even if it is not for me.

[yg17]

Well, I'm downloading Feisty, and will trash my Vista partition and install Feisty there. I haven't booted into Vista for months (gee, I wonder why? :D) and my XP installation in Parallels serves my Windows need (yes, need. Testing webpages in Internet Explorer to make sure the damn thing renders it properly). I may actually use Feisty in place of OSX for a bit. I really, really want to learn the ins and outs of Linux, and while OSX being Unix based helps, Apple still makes stuff so damn easy I can't learn :D

Of course, my stupidity means I have to redownload it again. I was on campus earlier at work and downloaded it from our mirror server. Being on the same network (in fact, the server was on the other side of the wall from me in the data center) I downloaded the entire ISO in like 2 minutes. But stupidly, forgot to transfer it to my flash drive before I left. So, I'm downloading the torrent. Damn stupidity, now I have to wait :( :D

[AppleGuy08]

Okay, when you get to the manual section of the ubuntu feisty install. Delete that 8gb partition you made, now select the freespace it should be saying something like... "Free Space 8XXXmb" (something like that, if you made an 8gb partition) Subtract 256mb from that number then select it and create new partition and use that number minus the 256mb, chose ext3 as file structure and then mount point of "/" now click okay. Now you'll see "Freespace 256mb" select that and create a new partition and it's file structure or whatever make it "swap"

I forgot what everything is actually called, i don't remember if that drop down menu is in fact called "File Structure" But I hope you at least kind of understand that.. heh I'm terrible at creating instructions from memory =S

But that should work!

Wow thanks a ton for that lil tutorial, it worked perfectly! and to think i wasted hours searching on ubuntu forums...now its time to install beryl! Thanks again