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MacRumors
Jun 14, 2003, 06:02 PM
MacBidouille links (http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-06-14#5812) a post in their forums claiming that boxes have arrived at one store with warnings not to open (presumably before WWDC).



cc bcc
Jun 14, 2003, 06:09 PM
One store? An Apple Store? A french mac store? Where!?

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 06:09 PM
wow this sounds great. but i wouldnt get to excited until i heard the size of the boxes. it could easily be promotional stuff for a new campaign, or panther info to get the news out.

iJon

wrldwzrd89
Jun 14, 2003, 06:09 PM
I hope these boxes contain the rumored PPC 970 Macs. I am very much looking forward to their release (if, indeed, they ARE released).

PowerBook User
Jun 14, 2003, 06:12 PM
Interesting.... Could they be Power Mac 970's. I sure hope so! :D

ColoJohnBoy
Jun 14, 2003, 06:17 PM
Can anybody translate this for us? It would be nice to know the size, approximate weight, etc. of the boxes. They could be 970 PowerMacs or (Dare I dream?) 970 PowerBOOKS! Anyhows, if this is accurate, then we're looking at some pretty bitchin' hardware updates come June 23rd!


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mxpiazza
Jun 14, 2003, 06:17 PM
i hope these are updates 15" powerbooks... 970s or not, i need an updated one for school.

nickmcghie
Jun 14, 2003, 06:23 PM
can a native french speaker provide a translation? (none of that google-translated-gibberish please :p)

MetallicPenguin
Jun 14, 2003, 06:29 PM
Wow sounds great, but I bet it's just t-shirts or something.:p

McCord9
Jun 14, 2003, 06:30 PM
I work has the FNAC of PARLY II, and indeed we received paperboards which we cannot open (ctrl possible by APPLE France... with strong punishment has the key I presume), according to the size of these famous paperboards, it would seem that there are new portables whose size would be 15", on the other hand the "large ones" are very LARGE, I tried to have fuller infos aupres of my head, it does not know any more, simply that APPLE engaged with a very fast sale, from where engagement of the FNAC.

I translated the article on altavista, and i know some french....

It seems to me the person thinks the boxes are the right size for 15" portables.

I hope its true.... I need a laptop

AppleMatt
Jun 14, 2003, 06:31 PM
Wow. Imagine if you were there looking at these boxes, and you were as excited about WWDC as we are...

...could you resist it?!

AppleMatt

chazmox
Jun 14, 2003, 06:31 PM
Maybe 970 powered t-shirts!

edesignuk
Jun 14, 2003, 06:32 PM
I don't know about you, but if I worked at an Apple store and had a delivery arrive maked "Do not open until WWDC", you know what the first thing I would do is?....that's right! Open it!

dstorey
Jun 14, 2003, 06:34 PM
FNAC is a kind of department store in france and switzerland...maybe other places too (but i used to see them when i lived in switzerland), kind of like a compUSA style store i guess, mostly CD's, DVD's and electrical stuff so I guess thats the store the article is talking about

MetallicPenguin
Jun 14, 2003, 06:37 PM
Yeah I'd wait until everyone had left then sneak a box out to my car real quick, then ride home....open up the box and behold the new whatever is in the box.

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by edesignuk
I don't know about you, but if I worked at an Apple store and had a delivery arrive maked "Do not open until WWDC", you know what the first thing I would do is?....that's right! Open it!
yeah it would be fun only if you didnt like your job.

iJon

pyrotoaster
Jun 14, 2003, 06:44 PM
While I'd love it if this was true, I'm doubtful.

I remember, back at MWSF03, there was a rumor very much like this. Boxes that contained something mysterious that was keynote-related.

edesignuk
Jun 14, 2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by iJon
yeah it would be fun only if you didnt like your job.

iJon
<whisper>Just wait till everyone else has gone home ;)</whisper>

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by edesignuk
<whisper>Just wait till everyone else has gone home ;)</whisper>
or replace the box with a replica and same weight, quit your job and move far away, and then find out it was tshirts and .mac handouts.

iJon

bignumbers
Jun 14, 2003, 07:15 PM
You know, it's rather unlike Apple to send out "secret" stuff like this over a week prior to an "event". So I'm guessing this is either something semi-meaningless (generic "10.3 Coming Soon" poster with no specifics) or a hoax.

If something generic, they'd place this kind of label on the box just to prevent customer confusion by a salescritter hanging it up early.

If they were to send stuff out, they'd overnight it for delivery that day or the day after. Sending really secret stuff out this far ahead of time is begging for someone somewhere to open the box.

edesignuk
Jun 14, 2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by iJon
or replace the box with a replica and same weight, quit your job and move far away, and then find out it was tshirts and .mac handouts.

iJon
I take it you don't agree then. Calm down I was only j/k :)

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by edesignuk
I take it you don't agree then. Calm down I was only j/k :)
haha, no no, i dont care either way. i was just saying it would be funny if that did happen, all that trouble for tshirts handouts. i would probably open the box, but if you work at an apple store be very careful or prepare to lose your job.

iJon

MacFan25
Jun 14, 2003, 08:59 PM
Hopefully these are the 970 PowerMacs! It would be tempting to open them! :D

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 09:04 PM
i honestly cant see apple sending a new computer out this early for people to sell, but apple always does surprise us, just doenst sound like something they would do.

iJon

MetallicPenguin
Jun 14, 2003, 09:08 PM
Yeah it's probably a lot of promotional posters for the new Power Mac G5's. I doubt they would put them out this early (the G5's that is), but who knows?

freundt
Jun 14, 2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by iJon
or replace the box with a replica and same weight, quit your job and move far away, and then find out it was tshirts and .mac handouts.

iJon

Ok, replace it with a box of the sme size and approx weight, and then have a giant round boulder chase you out of the store. After barely escaping the boulder, you'd fly our the doors of the store, onlt to see steve jobs standing there,. He "polietly asks that ytou hand over the box" (while his minions crowd around with mice bolos ready to kill".

-f

pivo6
Jun 14, 2003, 09:09 PM
Isn't there always a "we just got some boxes that we can't open yet" rumor that comes out right before the event. i wouldn't put too much stock into this.

gelbin
Jun 14, 2003, 09:36 PM
on the other hand...didn't apple screw up the ipod launch by some stores not having them for the big day- maybe sending things ahead of time ain't such a bad idea...

then again, i doubt even if they are available for order at WWDC, that they will be on store floors, but....

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by gelbin
on the other hand...didn't apple screw up the ipod launch by some stores not having them for the big day- maybe sending things ahead of time ain't such a bad idea...

then again, i doubt even if they are available for order at WWDC, that they will be on store floors, but....
i believe they didnt have a lot of 30 giggers, thats all i heard.

iJon

gelbin
Jun 14, 2003, 09:40 PM
i read that some stores did not have the new ones at all for the launch...

iJon
Jun 14, 2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by gelbin
i read that some stores did not have the new ones at all for the launch...
interesting, doesnt really surprise me though.

iJon

kylos
Jun 14, 2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by freundt
Ok, replace it with a box of the sme size and approx weight, and then have a giant round boulder chase you out of the store. After barely escaping the boulder, you'd fly our the doors of the store, onlt to see steve jobs standing there,. He "polietly asks that ytou hand over the box" (while his minions crowd around with mice bolos ready to kill".

-f

Great movie! And it's coming out on DVD Nov. 4!

TylerL
Jun 14, 2003, 10:39 PM
I don't think these Mystery Boxes are in Apple Retail stores.
...what the hell is "FNAC of PARLY II" anyway?

EDIT: Hmm...Google says it's a concert hall, or something...

Sedulous
Jun 14, 2003, 11:10 PM
Maybe it is more difficult to coordinate international shipping? Thus Apple sent them earlier rather than later?

awulf
Jun 14, 2003, 11:55 PM
The boxes say "Do not open", but they do not say: "Do not shake" or "Do not send through an xray machine" :D

Wardofsky
Jun 15, 2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by awulf
The boxes say "Do not open", but they do not say: "Do not shake" or "Do not send through an xray machine" :D

That would be interesting.

Another Australian, nice to meet you.

Hawthorne
Jun 15, 2003, 12:12 AM
The worst we ever did was put a little cooking oil on our presents, to see through the wrapping paper and get a "preview" of Christmas morning. :)

Of course, the next year my parents stuffed everything into a refrigerator box and then wrapped that, just to thwart us. ;)

On a more serious note, this should make for some interesting movement on the Mac rumors scene. Macbid is staking a lot on these rumors, if they don't pan out, they'll drop off the face of the earth.

Sol
Jun 15, 2003, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by freundt
Ok, replace it with a box of the sme size and approx weight, and then have a giant round boulder chase you out of the store. After barely escaping the boulder, you'd fly our the doors of the store, onlt to see steve jobs standing there,. He "polietly asks that ytou hand over the box" (while his minions crowd around with mice bolos ready to kill".

-f

You tell Steve that you wanted to know for yourself only and that the 970 PowerBooks would remain a secret until WWDC.

"Only it is not a secret if you know about it as well as we do."

What could you tell him? That he could trust you? Oh no, that would not be right since you failed your own test and opened the precious box for all the wrong reasons.

"Well? What do you have to say for yourself now?"

Your words were blurted out. In your shoes anyone would do the same thing. People need to know the truth. By the way, is there a new Word-like application in the works at Apple?

"No comment."

Camera?

"No comment."

PDA?

"Buy an iPod."

vPod?

"I have not heard that one before."

Smeagul?

"No comment."

mislabeledstar
Jun 15, 2003, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by TylerL
I don't think these Mystery Boxes are in Apple Retail stores.
...what the hell is "FNAC of PARLY II" anyway?


someone earlier in the thread wrote it is a compusa type store in switzerland/france....... cd's/dvd's/electronics......

AppleMatt
Jun 15, 2003, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by awulf
"Do not send through an xray machine" :D

Yeah! x-ray it! Solve the mystery!

AppleMatt

emdezet
Jun 15, 2003, 06:21 AM
:) people, relax! :)

i work at a local apple-only retailer. just this week we removed all g4 minitowers from their demo stations only to replace them with... nothing at all. a little early, you say? so say we, but...

the only definite info we were given from hq is that new machines are coming, none of which are based on the G4. now, unless you consider Apple shipping G3 (GOBI) towers...

oh, and about G4 mt sales: i felt ethically compelled to share the news with a customer who meant to buy 1GHz G4 MDD at 1699EUR. you know what he did? he bought it all the same!

maybe not everybody out there is looking for the latest, fastest, shiniest, ********ingest computer after all. granted, that customer probably didn't grasp the severity of this generational upgrade. but after all, not everyone is feeding mac-rumor-sites intraveneously.

about the mystery boxes: we haven't got any, yet! which is a pity, because we have an x-ray scanner in the basement :)

Wardofsky
Jun 15, 2003, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Yeah! x-ray it! Solve the mystery!

AppleMatt

Someone does, it's a 970, big day comes, it's completely useless.
Radiation can't be good for a Mac...

barkmonster
Jun 15, 2003, 06:57 AM
Someone does, it's a 970, big day comes, it's completely useless.
Radiation can't be good for a Mac...

everyone knows radiation just make things 'super', don't you believe sci-fi ?

:D

The radiation would make it mutate into a super970, or a 970 supermegapro. it would have advanced AI and be able to converse with you in any number of languges while doing all your work for you because it would emulate how you think after a few weeks by analysing you're personality and computing habbits.

Stike
Jun 15, 2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by emdezet
:) people, relax! :)

i work at a local apple-only retailer. just this week we removed all g4 minitowers from their demo stations only to replace them with... nothing at all. a little early, you say? so say we, but...

the only definite info we were given from hq is that new machines are coming, none of which are based on the G4. now, unless you consider Apple shipping G3 (GOBI) towers...

How come someone from a small german Apple reseller store could know that?!
Anyway, if you´re right, I guess my money is on MacBidouille, and the 970s are ready to ship.

Greetings to Cologne ;)

Stike
Jun 15, 2003, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Wardofsky
Someone does, it's a 970, big day comes, it's completely useless.
Radiation can't be good for a Mac...

I don´t think so. If you let your iPod be scanned at the airport, it takes no harm either. What should happen to the tower?

AppleMatt
Jun 15, 2003, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by Wardofsky
Someone does, it's a 970, big day comes, it's completely useless.
Radiation can't be good for a Mac...

I stick my PowerBook through airport security all the time, no problems.

There is also an x-ray of a 15" PowerBook floating around (titanium)

AppleMatt

Nightstalker
Jun 15, 2003, 09:44 AM
@ Stike

Rock am Ring 2003?

I went to Rock im Park 2003 :P

DHagan4755
Jun 15, 2003, 09:47 AM
Important part:

indeed we received boxes which we cannot open (controlled possibly by APPLE France... with strong
punishment the key I presume), according to the size of these
famous boxes, it would seem that there are new portables whose
size would be 15", on the other hand the large ones are very LARGE.

MetallicPenguin
Jun 15, 2003, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by emdezet
:) people, relax! :)

i work at a local apple-only retailer. just this week we removed all g4 minitowers from their demo stations only to replace them with... nothing at all. a little early, you say? so say we, but...

the only definite info we were given from hq is that new machines are coming, none of which are based on the G4. now, unless you consider Apple shipping G3 (GOBI) towers...

oh, and about G4 mt sales: i felt ethically compelled to share the news with a customer who meant to buy 1GHz G4 MDD at 1699EUR. you know what he did? he bought it all the same!

maybe not everybody out there is looking for the latest, fastest, shiniest, ********ingest computer after all. granted, that customer probably didn't grasp the severity of this generational upgrade. but after all, not everyone is feeding mac-rumor-sites intraveneously.

about the mystery boxes: we haven't got any, yet! which is a pity, because we have an x-ray scanner in the basement :)

That's good news! Do you know anything about the new Powerbooks?

Escher
Jun 15, 2003, 10:03 AM
For those of you who don't speak French and want something better than a Babelfish translation, here's my English rendition of the MacBidouille post.

"I work at the Parly II [store] of the FNAC [chain]. [Note: FNAC is a media/electronics chain; Parly II is presumably the store location where the informant works.] We have indeed received a series of boxes, which we cannot open (because of possible audits/controls by Apple France... with severe consequences/punishment). Judging from the size of the boxes, it would seem that there are new laptops with 15" screens. On the other hand, the large boxes are _very_ large. I tried to get more information from my boss, but he doesn't know anything more, other than that Apple is committed to rapid sales, which is why FNAC is involved."

Escher

pyrotoaster
Jun 15, 2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Escher
For those of you who don't speak French and want something better than a Babelfish translation, here's my English rendition of the MacBidouille post.

"I work at the Parly II [store] of the FNAC [chain]. [Note: FNAC is a media/electronics chain; Parly II is presumably the store location where the informant works.] We have indeed received a series of boxes, which we cannot open (because of possible audits/controls by Apple France... with severe consequences/punishment). Judging from the size of the boxes, it would seem that there are new laptops with 15" screens. On the other hand, the large boxes are _very_ large. I tried to get more information from my boss, but he doesn't know anything more, other than that Apple is committed to rapid sales, which is why FNAC is involved."

Escher
Thanks for the translation.

It sounds like (assuming this true) they've got both Powerbook and Powermacs waiting to be unloaded. Very interesting...

If this is true, it means Apple has done an amazing job of keeping things secret. As far as the non-rumor press (at least seems to) knows, Powermac 970s are a month off. And there's been little mention of Powerbooks.

What I'm wondering about know is what the deal is the 12" Powerbook. The recent price-reduction suggests an update, but I don't know what that update would be. Obviously a low-power 970 would be nice. But a 1 GHz G4 with 1 GB RAM and some L3 Cache would be a major improvement, too.

Escher
Jun 15, 2003, 10:12 AM
The immediately following post on the MacBidouille discussion boards purports to add more info.

"Hey, I was right about the boxes I saw, by pure chance. (Well, I had a close look at the boxes to make sure they were indeed from Apple.) However, the store employees had already removed the notice [prohibiting opening] on the boxes. Otherwise, I would have read it.

"Well, otherwise, the eMacs are now marked EOL (only the 800Mhz SD models) on FNAC.com and the Alu 12-inch SD are marked "new model to come."

"The 15" TiBook G4s are now "temporarily unavailable," even though their entries [in the inventory system] had previously vanished. (Obviously, the features have not changed. But that fact that they put [the entry] back [in the system] leaves us some hope.)

"All PowerMacs are EOLed."

That's it for my translations today. Enjoy! Can't wait for the June 23 keynote. I'll probably head to my local Apple Store to view it.

Escher

Escher
Jun 15, 2003, 10:29 AM
I'm reading through the thread on the MacBidouille boards, and here's another interesting post.

"I have just made the round of several Paris-area FNAC stores. It seems that the central warehouses, which supply the individual FNAC stores, have already taken delivery [actual product not specified] and that the systems will be on sale on the 24th [of June]. Aside from that, not a single store told me (or wanted to tell me?) that they had received boxes."

Looks like French Mac users have just as obsessed with rumors as their English-speaking counterparts here on MacRumors. ;)

Escher

Escher
Jun 15, 2003, 10:45 AM
PS: A few more posts from MacBidouille readers claim they got the same "systems will start selling on the 24th" line from FNAC employees. Sounds pretty good to me!

Escher

Black Badger
Jun 15, 2003, 11:35 AM
Has anybody actually seen the box in question? No, because it doesn't exist or if if does, lets have a look, can't be that difficult to take a quick pic with a digi camera.
There is the challenge, if one of these boxes turns up in the next couple of days, post a pic, go on, dare ya. Bet didly happens.

It's like when somebody sneezes and you say "bless you" then the other person goes "No! don't say that, it kills a fairy", well if so... show me the bodies.



May have had too much sun today.

DGFan
Jun 15, 2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by iJon
i believe they didnt have a lot of 30 giggers, thats all i heard.

iJon

They must've sent them all to Michigan! When I went in the next week to buy an iPod all they had were 30 GB iPods (and 10 GB ones but, come on, who wants those?)

iJon
Jun 15, 2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by emdezet
:) people, relax! :)

i work at a local apple-only retailer. just this week we removed all g4 minitowers from their demo stations only to replace them with... nothing at all. a little early, you say? so say we, but...

the only definite info we were given from hq is that new machines are coming, none of which are based on the G4. now, unless you consider Apple shipping G3 (GOBI) towers...

oh, and about G4 mt sales: i felt ethically compelled to share the news with a customer who meant to buy 1GHz G4 MDD at 1699EUR. you know what he did? he bought it all the same!

maybe not everybody out there is looking for the latest, fastest, shiniest, ********ingest computer after all. granted, that customer probably didn't grasp the severity of this generational upgrade. but after all, not everyone is feeding mac-rumor-sites intraveneously.

about the mystery boxes: we haven't got any, yet! which is a pity, because we have an x-ray scanner in the basement :)
wow you not the smartest person are you, your a good example on how to get your shop busted.

iJon

QuiteSure
Jun 15, 2003, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
Yeah I'd wait until everyone had left then sneak a box out to my car real quick, then ride home....open up the box and behold the new whatever is in the box.

Then the box emits a mysterious noise that causes the listener to suffer a hideous death.

How's THAT for enforcement of an NDA?

Shaktai
Jun 15, 2003, 02:19 PM
MacBidouille is now indicating that the boxes are likely 15" powerbooks and 19" eMacs. (Like they said before, the boxes are big).

FNAC is at http://www.fnac.com

It is kind of like a Best Buy or Circuit City here in the US. Here is a list of Apple products on their side. http://search.fnac.com/Search/Quick/Default.asp?Wkos=1&SearchType=QUICKSEARCH&RNID=-13&SID=651456bc-a1b1-c349-7bd8-a9bef3b6312c&UID=0b9257e9c-4d8d-7ccc-385f-d9b912f5791c&AID=&Origin=FnacAff&Words=apple&IMAGE2.x=0&IMAGE2.y=0&Recherche=-49%7CA

The low end eMac 800mhz is marked no longer available for sale, as are all 3 Power Mac Models.

The Powerbook 15" and 12" are marked "temporarily unavailable". With the 12" superdrive marked as new model coming, temporarily unavailable.

All very interesting but not definitive. Sounds more like updated 15" and 12" powerbooks (doubt the 970). The eMac bottom end model is being dropped to make room for a new top end 19". I would suspect the current models will just move down the pricing scale.

While the PowerMac towers are "no longer available" id doesn't sound like their replacements have arrived yet. This would make sense. Updates to the Powerbook models and a new top end eMac would not be as big a deal as all new Towers and hence the less concern with getting them out early.

pyrotoaster
Jun 15, 2003, 02:24 PM
19 inch eMacs?
Please excuse the tone, but...
Yeah, right!

iJon
Jun 15, 2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
19 inch eMacs?
Please excuse the tone, but...
Yeah, right!
thats what i was thinking, when did rumor come about.

iJon

DHagan4755
Jun 15, 2003, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
19 inch eMacs?
Please excuse the tone, but...
Yeah, right! 19-inch iMacs maybe...(recall Digitimes said this) but 19-inch eMacs...why? Why take an already hideous computer and make it even more hideous? I won't at all be depressed if the 970 doesn't appear at WWDC because it will come at some point between now and Sept. Don't worry, folks! Also, if those supposed new PowerBooks aren't above 1GHz, I'm going to scream because that would be totally pathetic of Apple!

Shaktai
Jun 15, 2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by iJon
thats what i was thinking, when did rumor come about.

iJon

Just a bit ago. The quick google translation:
The infos which will follow, are of a source of which we do not know reliability. There would be in the paperboards (boxes) not to open of Powerbook 15"and the eMac 19

Remember, that just because you don't like something, doesn't mean there isn't a demand for it elsewhere. I would never buy an eMac, but I have heard rumors that there is demand for one. We will know soon enough.

iJon
Jun 15, 2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Shaktai
Just a bit ago. The quick google translation:


Remember, that just because you don't like something, doesn't mean there isn't a demand for it elsewhere. I would never buy an eMac, but I have heard rumors that there is demand for one. We will know soon enough.
when did i eve say i dont like the emac, i really do like the emac, its a great machine, i just see a 19inch one doubtful, plus the emac box is the biggest computer box out of all apples computers besides the xserve. i cant even imagine how big a 19inch emac box would be.

iJon

Sayer
Jun 15, 2003, 03:33 PM
The questions everyone should be asking are:


Do these boxes really exist? What is the intelligence source's creditbility?
If these boxes exist what do they contain? Are we certain they are Weapons of Mass Computation and not pesticides?
Where did these boxes come from? How do we know they are really Apple boxes without independent confirmation from the EU?
Are there legitimate uses for these allged-to-exist boxes? Could they be used for storing product to be shipped to someone else?


I think that we need to send in inspectors to all FNAC locations to locate these allged boxes of Weapons of Mass Computation.

It could take months and the boxes may be moved in the meantime, or opened and their contents moved or sold to a third-party. Merely finding the empty boxes are not conclusive proof that the contents ever existed.

I am afraid we may be staking the reputation of the Mac community on the belief that these Weapons of Mass Computation ever existed. What happens if they are not revealed on the 23rd? Should we call for the impeachment of Steve Jobs, President of Apple?

chetwilliams
Jun 15, 2003, 03:42 PM
CompUSA.com appears to be out of 1.42 GHz PowerMacs. Club Mac's supplies of the 1.42s have also dwindled to about 150 from about 210 a few days ago. Interestingly, there are plenty of the other three PowerMac models (incl. the OS-9 boot version) and their inventory numbers on those have actually increased in the last few days. I would imagine that releasing a 970 would EOL all the PowerMacs but apparently there are still plenty of the non 1.42s to go around right now.

Philippe Robin
Jun 15, 2003, 05:39 PM
Look for yourself,
go to www.fnac.com then go to "micro & telecom" then type apple in the search box on the left.
Look, no more 15in powerbook as there used to be and the powermac g4 is unavailable!

Fnac is a big chain in france and they usually have special deals with apple.

philippe

job
Jun 15, 2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
19 inch eMacs?
Please excuse the tone, but...
Yeah, right!

It's the eMac SE, now with 1.1Ghz. ;)

That's a pretty big all in one. Why on earth would Apple wait to release a 19" model now especially since the eMacs were updated just over a month ago?

Shaktai
Jun 15, 2003, 06:43 PM
Good question. MacBidouille did emphasize that the source of that info was unproven, and that the information was coming from their forums.

What appears to be consistent is the delivery of boxes to FNAC warehouses and some stores, and that some match the size of boxes currently for 15" Powerbooks and that the other boxes are "large". Only time will tell, but that time is growing shorter. Likewise this information seems to correspond with some information on the FNAC website.

Of course someone may have just seen the FNAC info and fabricated a story out of it though confirmation of the mysterious "boxes" seems to come from more then one source. Less then 8 days to wait, then we will know for usre.

pyrotoaster
Jun 15, 2003, 08:17 PM
There won't be any 19 inch eMac. Ever. There probably won't even be a 19 inch iMac (in the current LCD form).

I can't believe MacBidouille would put any faith in a rumor that goes against almost all expectations of this keynote. This won't be a showcase of slightly faster consumer machines, it'll be a knock-your-socks-off we're-finally-kicking-Intel's-ass 970 fest.

BTW, wouldn't it be cool if Steve mentioned that old "Kick Intel's Ass!" Power Computing ad...?

jimthorn
Jun 15, 2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by Shaktai
MacBidouille is now indicating that the boxes are likely 15" powerbooks and 19" eMacs. (Like they said before, the boxes are big).

19" eMac? :confused: Where did this come from? Can't we just let the eMac line die already? I mean, does anyone really want a 19" CRT with a built-in computer these days?

MetallicPenguin
Jun 15, 2003, 10:11 PM
yeah I agree that kind of just makes the rest of the computer bigger at the same time, it should stay the same.

brig
Jun 15, 2003, 10:46 PM
i bet its an imac, and the error was made somewhere along in a translation or the guy just got things mixed up. a 19" imac could happen (thats a big ole' screen for that little base...), so just let it be. Then again, all I care about is the 15" 970. oh well.

job
Jun 15, 2003, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
This won't be a showcase of slightly faster consumer machines, it'll be a knock-your-socks-off we're-finally-kicking-Intel's-ass 970 fest.

That sounds a lot like what people were expecting at MWSF02. Just replace '970' with 'G5' and you've got the expo that was supposed to be 'beyond the rumors sites, way beyond.'

And what did we get? The LCD iMac. Go figure. :rolleyes:

I'd like to see the 970s at WWDC, but I don't think we will. And I won't be shocked if they don't show up. There might be an announcement. I guess for us Mac users, confirmation is everything. ;)

Has anyone thought that these large boxes may be for the larger of the two towers mentioned on the Apple Insider forums?

DoJo
Jun 16, 2003, 01:32 AM
I agree that a 19" eMac is unlikely but I stopped by the Apple store in Chandler AZ today and the three eMacs on hand (display models) were 700Mhz. I know that after the last update they had 1 GHz and 800 MHz models on display.

I guess they could have sold out their stock and had to sell the display models but it seemed kind of odd to me. I would expect CompUSA to have out-of-date floor models but I have never seen this before at an Apple Store.

Oh well, probably nothing.

nagromme
Jun 16, 2003, 01:44 AM
The 19" eMac suggestion throws the whole source into grave doubt, I'd say. (The eMac's a great system, but not 19"!)

If the boxes do exist, then one possible reason for a really LARGE (but not cubic) box would be for a new Cinema Display. Whether larger than ever, or the same size but with new adjustable mounting (as has been rumored), either way could use a larger box than the current Cinema Displays. Add in the expectations of the person assuming a tower, and it might seem like a really big Mac CPU box.

Tiauguinho
Jun 16, 2003, 05:49 AM
FNAC is a very well known source for Books, CD's, computers and high line stereos and TV's. One thing that i've noticed and found very odd, was that in our FNAC store in center Lisbon, the center table of the store had all the Macs, even the 17'' Powerbook! I've never seen macs being displayed like that! They were sitting sadly on a corner and now they are at the middle of the store with all their power and glory! Amazing stuff! Maybe Apple Europe and FNAC have some sort of deal to display more the Apple brand... Whatever they up to, everybody stoped to look and touch the Powerbooks. :) Its nice for a mac user to see other people enjoying things as we do!

backspinner
Jun 16, 2003, 07:40 AM
My dad recently bought an eMac, and is very happy with it. But the box was so big and soooo heavy, that he wasn't able to carry it upstairs without help from a second person. I guess a bigger glass tube will only make this worse!

emdezet
Jun 16, 2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by iJon
wow you not the smartest person are you, your a good example on how to get your shop busted.

iJon

i wouldn't dare call myself or in fact you the smartest persons out there.

1. the info i had is by now publicly available on www.mac-tv.de. on top of which, that site does not refrain from actually naming my company: Gravis, Germany's #1 Apple retailer.

2. by "busted" I guess you allude to the infamous Apple Gestapo.

3. quoting somebody else's entire posting only to add one line of one's own is terribly poor. especially if that one line adheres neither to syntactical or spelling conventions.

Awimoway
Jun 16, 2003, 09:06 AM
I genuinely mean no offense to our European neighbors, but does anyone else find it a little odd that all the best hardware intel is coming from Europe nowadays? I would have expected them to be a few days/weeks behind on most product shipments, intelligence, etc.

MetallicPenguin
Jun 16, 2003, 09:08 AM
Emdezet, do you have any info on the PowerBooks?

FlamDrag
Jun 16, 2003, 09:28 AM
Maybe, just maybe, these 'very large boxes' actually contain more than 1 smaller box. Heck, it could just be a giant box of iPods, or powerbooks, or powermacs or 15-button mice or anything else.

Of course, this all assumes that these boxes even exist in the first place.

emdezet
Jun 16, 2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
Emdezet, do you have any info on the PowerBooks?

unfortunately i already gave all the info i had. just to make sure i rang up our shop to hear if we had also received the mystery boxes. we haven't. it is by now the single most interesting rumor to me, but it remains just that...so far.

if i had the opportunity, i would friggin' tear the wrapper off and take a peek, for crying out loud. can't see why none of the fortunate ones do so to their forbidden fruit cargo.

i for one am keeping all my rumor-bloated hopes up to see my next mac introduced in exactly a week from now :)

emdezet
Jun 16, 2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Awimoway
I genuinely mean no offense to our European neighbors, but...

none taken. but i'd trade the minor lead in current info any day to buy my next mac according to us$ pricing. we still have every reason to scoff at Apple's alleged "localization costs". by all means we are being treated like the second rate market that is always prudent to be able to withdraw from, if things get rough.

[mod. edit - No politics in here, thanks.]

iJon
Jun 16, 2003, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by emdezet
i wouldn't dare call myself or in fact you the smartest persons out there.

1. the info i had is by now publicly available on www.mac-tv.de. on top of which, that site does not refrain from actually naming my company: Gravis, Germany's #1 Apple retailer.

2. by "busted" I guess you allude to the infamous Apple Gestapo.

3. quoting somebody else's entire posting only to add one line of one's own is terribly poor. especially if that one line adheres neither to syntactical or spelling conventions.
ok fine, just to let you know, your the reason apple doesnt trust resellers. im just telling you that you should have more respect for apple, your job, and the NDA you signed.

iJon

emdezet
Jun 16, 2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by iJon
ok fine, just to let you know, your the reason apple doesnt trust resellers. im just telling you that you should have more respect for apple, your job, and the NDA you signed.

iJon

do everybody a favor and think before you type. the absence of our demo minitowers can be witnessed by anybody who merely cares to look through our showroom window. another volley of g4-based machines would be nothing short of a kick to the crotches of pros und prosumers by now. (see the archives of www.appleturns.com for the notion of the G4-Again) :)

moreover this is not about respect. the info i conveyed hardly classifies as bordering on industrial espionage. after all we are talking about a company that has put DDR RAM to a processor that doesn't even support it - just out of pure desperation.

we have been waiting QUITE a while for the g4 to get the boot. let's celebrate the occasion!

iJon
Jun 16, 2003, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by emdezet
do everybody a favor and think before you type. the absence of our demo minitowers can be witnessed by anybody who merely cares to look through our showroom window. another volley of g4-based machines would be nothing short of a kick to the crotches of pros und prosumers by now. (see the archives of www.appleturns.com for the notion of the G4-Again) :)

moreover this is not about respect. the info i conveyed hardly classifies as bordering on industrial espionage. after all we are talking about a company that has put DDR RAM to a processor that doesn't even support it - just out of pure desperation.

we have been waiting QUITE a while for the g4 to get the boot. let's celebrate the occasion!
but you clearly said this " the only definite info we were given from hq is that new machines are coming, none of which are based on the G4. now, unless you consider Apple shipping G3 (GOBI) towers..."
I'm not trying to put you down or anything, im just stating my point. but you have clearly shown that it doesnt matter, so i wont argue, ill drop it.

iJon

mykuki
Jun 16, 2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by iJon
ok fine, just to let you know, your the reason apple doesnt trust resellers. im just telling you that you should have more respect for apple, your job, and the NDA you signed.

iJon

i just don't get it. emdezet was only posting info that has been publicly known for two days. he didn't say more than that there's more to come.

who doesn't know by now?
and actually who here doesn't want to know more?

ok, fine just to let you know, you're the reason this french guy didn't dare to open one of those boxes for us.

everybody hear me?
iJon, we don't want to play with you. you are not our friend anymore.:p

@iJon:
just kiddin': i know i am one of the last standing in line to talk for the macrumors community. but c'mon, no one here needs someone trying to scare people that has (that little) infos to share. ;)

emdezet
Jun 16, 2003, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by iJon
I'm not trying to put you down or anything, im just stating my point. but you have clearly shown that it doesnt matter, so i wont argue, ill drop it.

iJon

hey, no hard feelings. i just realized i was eagerly putting you down. but this is not the time to be hostile. it is a season of worldwide rejoicing.

!LOVE, PEACE, HAPPINESS AND A NEW GENERATION OF APPLE MACINTOSH MACHINES TO ALL OF US!

Let us all dribble with delight, awestruck by the resounding boom of new macs with an all new os:)

form
Jun 16, 2003, 11:17 AM
Don't get too excited or you might lose control of yourself on the floor! :eek:

All that excitement only helps Apple with hype, and 99% of the time they don't even pay "us" back; and the 1% of the time they do, boy do they charge "us" for it (new computer cost)!

Yes that's the way with them. You'd think they deliberately let slip something of interest at intervals, just to keep people interested, because interest is the only thing keeping Apple alive lately. Yes sir, if it wasn't for all this excited hopefulness (I don't have to tell you that we always get let down), they'd be out of that there computer business, and into something else like Canning or Pottery (they could do some of that unique body job stuff like they did with computers and make works of tin or plaster art).

Not that there's any real reason for me to state this, except to vent my less than warm feelings about their marketing plan, that cares naught what I (the once loyal Appleist), or you, think. Someone told me, "that's just how big business is." Maybe so, but if I didn't know better I'd say that Apple takes especial pleasure in this kind of cruel marketing.

Oh, and...I think Apple does what they believe will make them the most money, and I don't think that their dislike of resellers is because the resellers are untrustworthy, but rather because Apple has made them so by being so unkind to them. Pair this with their bunches of new Apple stores, and it sounds like Apple doesn't want to share. So that could be it; perhaps they dislike resellers, not because the resellers are untrustworthy (which they could become because of Apple's harshness to them), but because it brings them the most money and the most control over their sales if the resellers are verbally attacked or closed down. Remember how they let clones be manufactured, but didn't let them keep up in speed? They sure cut that whole thing short; didn't care an iota for the other companies.

Anyway, those boxes are probably lots of pamphlets or new shipments of the current computer lines, and Apple probably didn't mind it being exposed; they could've set it up to be noticed just to get more rumor mongers' hopes up. And if they are new computers, they're 2 years late, and I can't afford them anymore anyway; 2 years ago it would've been possible.

emdezet
Jun 16, 2003, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by mykuki
everybody hear me?
iJon, we don't want to play with you. you are not our friend anymore.:p

now, now, mykuki! play nicely. we don't want our pancontinental friendship to grow yet another crack. even i ate my words in embarrassment.

chubakka
Jun 16, 2003, 12:42 PM
whoa is me.

form is po.

Tim Flynn
Jun 16, 2003, 12:57 PM
Big boxes ... Big boxes ...

Its just gotta, just gotta be ... 2 button mice !:p

gocanon
Jun 16, 2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
MacBidouille links (http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-06-14#5812) a post in their forums claiming that boxes have arrived at one store with warnings not to open (presumably before WWDC).

Are there any US stores reporting these kinds of boxes?

Kid Red
Jun 16, 2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by gocanon
Are there any US stores reporting these kinds of boxes?

Someone at AI said their store got boxes, mostly displays tho. So I'm not sure this box rumors hold much water-or display for that matter. They did mention the warehouse having 2 palettes of boxes to be picked up next week.

Blackcat
Jun 16, 2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by TylerL
I don't think these Mystery Boxes are in Apple Retail stores.
...what the hell is "FNAC of PARLY II" anyway?

EDIT: Hmm...Google says it's a concert hall, or something...

FNAC is a very stylish chain of megastores selling CDs (all of them), DVDs (every movie ever) and electronics (everything).

Basically if shopping was sex FNAC would be the orgasm!

Belly-laughs
Jun 16, 2003, 04:37 PM
I´ve got some boxes here in my studio. Does anyone fancy a picture of the big one?

Come on! Steve doesn´t trust the frogs enough to let them have "the great surprise" a week early. Apparently, they received the boxes today and the beans are already spilt. Please, give it a rest!

agreenster
Jun 16, 2003, 05:02 PM
Im sure if its anything, its just the Alu-15inch Powerbooks w/ G4's.

As far as WWDC goes, Im sure they will announce the development of the 970, but not have an actual product to demo or ship until MWSF 2004.

scem0
Jun 16, 2003, 06:14 PM
this kind of destroys any possibility of a cube... :(

Well one immediately available after WWDC.

Oh well, this is good news. :)

-scem0

rjwill246
Jun 16, 2003, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by bignumbers
You know, it's rather unlike Apple to send out "secret" stuff like this over a week prior to an "event". So I'm guessing this is either something semi-meaningless (generic "10.3 Coming Soon" poster with no specifics) or a hoax.


This is going to be one of those times when the hoax part is unlikley.
Let's look at Apple from a distance.

Apple knows its processors are now passé... they are aware that the whole world knows that the G4s cannot possibly be used for the next year or two. There are no Moto G5s that will do the trick so where does that put Apple? Right in with the IBM rumours and the 970s! If this were NOT true, Apple would have to have squashed the rumours by announcing supercalfragalistic contortions of G4s or something else that would have deflected off the 970 rumours... to not do so and especially if the rumours are not true, will be a pretty serious situation for Apple as, one must assume, that there are no other chips to rescue Apple in the speed and efficiency wars with Intel- other than slightly bumped G4s and those just won't cut it.
Next, Apple has done some hyping of its own about the upcoming WWDC. They changed to a larger venue and have told us that hardware is being discussed. The German's have been told it will be of an extraordinary nature and the IBM folks in Germany have been told not to attend, so as not to discuss... ?? the 970s!!
What else? Panther will be a 64 bit OS. It all adds up to major hardware and software announcements. Now, whether there are PBs with 970s or not matters little. And so it is amusing to see the online clashes here, "debating" whether there will be 15", 12"" or 17" PBs, single or dual towers. That, in the end is irrelevant. All that matters, is that sometime this year, Apple will have a new round of significantly better computers and an OS to go with them. And the G4 will not be the flagship chip.

Mr. G4
Jun 16, 2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by edesignuk
I don't know about you, but if I worked at an Apple store and had a delivery arrive maked "Do not open until WWDC", you know what the first thing I would do is?....that's right! Open it!

The guy also said that Apple warned them they may send people to drop by and check to see if they opened it or not.

iJon
Jun 16, 2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Mr. G4
The guy also said that Apple warned them they may send people to drop by and check to see if they opened it or not.
i would cut out the bottom, see if i could fool them when they came by.

iJon

gopher
Jun 16, 2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
19-inch iMacs maybe...(recall Digitimes said this) but 19-inch eMacs...why? Why take an already hideous computer and make it even more hideous? I won't at all be depressed if the 970 doesn't appear at WWDC because it will come at some point between now and Sept. Don't worry, folks! Also, if those supposed new PowerBooks aren't above 1GHz, I'm going to scream because that would be totally pathetic of Apple!

Just for kickers, what if there was a 19" eMac using Plasma display technology?

And it cost only $1000. Not only would it revolutionize the cost of Plasma, but it would be lighter as well. We can always dream.

contempt
Jun 16, 2003, 09:04 PM
so what's the big deal with opening the box??? the worse that could happen is you get fired. plus you'd be a hero in the mac community. there's no crime in opening a box marked, "don't open til christmas." somebody just get the balls and open it.

also, nobody mentioned weight. how heavy are these boxes? maybe it really is a bunch of t-shirts.

Ricochet
Jun 16, 2003, 09:21 PM
Could this be the long awaited 19" CRT iPod? Another first for Apple. Now you can see your playlists in color. Unfortunately this model will not support any video playback. Perhaps this will be a feature in the third or fifth or twelth generation model. :)

VMachine
Jun 16, 2003, 11:09 PM
I find it interesting that there are rumours about one big store in the middle of France, that has these suspicious boxes. If there were some sort of co-ordinated worldwide effort by Apple to promote, presell or stock up on new machines, then surely there would be many other stores around the world that would be similarly receiving mysterious boxes?

As rumours go, it's an interesting one, with much conjecture about what might be contained in these super-secret boxes, but I feel it's missing something in the way of ratification - there's not enough backing it up beyond speculation about what's been received at one major store.

And when did you last purchase a Mac that didn't have something on the outside of the box to tell you what you were buying?

"Oh, thanks Jim, I'd like to buy one of those big brown boxes please."

"But, but Nigel, don't you want to know what's IN it??"

"No, I'm sure it's a brand spanking new super-duper expreimental machine that's so fast they're having to genetically modify their testing crew so they can keep up with it...."


What was it Doctor Evil said? "Rooooiiiiight...."

And as for the possibility of a 19" eMac (or similar), the existing eMacs have enough troubles of their own, I don't see Apple investing too much time and effort to make a bigger balls-up. The whole POINT of an eMac is that they are affordable, they are easy to get in and use, and they have a decent amount of processing power for schools and the like. I certainly hope that if a 19" eMac were on the cards, it would be built to a better standard than the existing ones.

Catcha
V

iJon
Jun 16, 2003, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by VMachine
I find it interesting that there are rumours about one big store in the middle of France, that has these suspicious boxes. If there were some sort of co-ordinated worldwide effort by Apple to promote, presell or stock up on new machines, then surely there would be many other stores around the world that would be similarly receiving mysterious boxes?

As rumours go, it's an interesting one, with much conjecture about what might be contained in these super-secret boxes, but I feel it's missing something in the way of ratification - there's not enough backing it up beyond speculation about what's been received at one major store.

And when did you last purchase a Mac that didn't have something on the outside of the box to tell you what you were buying?

"Oh, thanks Jim, I'd like to buy one of those big brown boxes please."

"But, but Nigel, don't you want to know what's IN it??"

"No, I'm sure it's a brand spanking new super-duper expreimental machine that's so fast they're having to genetically modify their testing crew so they can keep up with it...."


What was it Doctor Evil said? "Rooooiiiiight...."

And as for the possibility of a 19" eMac (or similar), the existing eMacs have enough troubles of their own, I don't see Apple investing too much time and effort to make a bigger balls-up. The whole POINT of an eMac is that they are affordable, they are easy to get in and use, and they have a decent amount of processing power for schools and the like. I certainly hope that if a 19" eMac were on the cards, it would be built to a better standard than the existing ones.

Catcha
V
funny you should say that, apple does ship laptops in brown boxes, so if they fed ex or ups get robbed, there isnt a shiny powerbook box sitting there in the truck,. whether these boxes are those we do not know, just to let you know not to jump to conclusions. same with ipods and ibooks.

iJon

VMachine
Jun 16, 2003, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by iJon
funny you should say that, apple does ship laptops in brown boxes, so if they fed ex or ups get robbed, there isnt a shiny powerbook box sitting there in the truck.

Interesting, I have no idea how Apple computers arrive and/or are shipped in New Zealand, seeing as they come here from Malaysia (I think) and probably don't necessarily go through Fed Ex or UPS. (and I'm waiting patiently for some Fed Ex employee to tell me, "Well actually....!" :))

Still doesn't alter the fact that this rumour revolves around ONE store in France, admittedly a *big* store, but still, just one... Multiple stores would lend credibility, I feel.

Catcha
V

iJon
Jun 16, 2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by VMachine
Interesting, I have no idea how Apple computers arrive and/or are shipped in New Zealand, seeing as they come here from Malaysia (I think) and probably don't necessarily go through Fed Ex or UPS. (and I'm waiting patiently for some Fed Ex employee to tell me, "Well actually....!" :))

Still doesn't alter the fact that this rumour revolves around ONE store in France, admittedly a *big* store, but still, just one... Multiple stores would lend credibility, I feel.

Catcha
V
but isnt the front page of macrumors saying taht apple stores are getting them too. i agree with you , a store in france is the last place i would expect some new computers, but since apple stores are getting them, im more interested in this rumor.

iJon

spoon
Jun 16, 2003, 11:38 PM
VMachine, if you've been reading the whole thread you'd realize that it's not just 1 FNAC, it's all of them.

Originally posted by Escher
"I have just made the round of several Paris-area FNAC stores. It seems that the central warehouses, which supply the individual FNAC stores, have already taken delivery [actual product not specified] and that the systems will be on sale on the 24th [of June]."

maybe they shipped to FNAC early because it's far from malaysia (or taiwan as vmachine says) ? maybe FNAC got their delivery earlier than other stores, as one poster put it "because they have a special relationship"?

whatever the reason, i know i haven't called my local apple store to ask, but maybe they have some "suspicious looking boxes" too. what i'm sure though, is that the people at my local apple store don't visit rumor sites and post what goes on inside the store.

maybe you should start calling your local apple store. :p

VMachine
Jun 16, 2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by spoon
VMachine, if you've been reading the whole thread you'd realize that it's not just 1 FNAC, it's all of them.


Oops, my bad...

Originally posted by spoon
maybe they shipped to FNAC early because it's far from malaysia? maybe FNAC got their delivery earlier than other stores, as one poster put it "because they have a special relationship"?

maybe you should start calling your local apple store. :p

I don't know that distance from Malaysia would have affected when stores were receiving delivery of new products, from what I had read from somewhere (I forget where...), production of new hardware was happening exclusively in Taiwan... So who knows, maybe we could all wait a week and see what pops out of the box? :)

Catcha
V

iJon
Jun 17, 2003, 12:09 AM
check t his out guys.

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35247

iJon

adamberti
Jun 17, 2003, 12:12 AM
I've never heard Apple advertised on the Radio where I live, and I've heard a few ads recently by a semi-large Mac-dominant reseller (they just recently started selling some PC laptops as well).

And to top it off today, I was at London Drugs, and they had iMacs and eMacs advertised on their flyers on the front door.

I've never seen so much advertising by resellers for Apple products before. Come to think of it, I dont think I've ever seen ANY advertising by resellers before (unless you're on a mailing list).

Maybe they're trying to clear stock....

MetallicPenguin
Jun 17, 2003, 12:20 AM
This is getting more and more interesting by the minute, I can't wait to come home on Monday and see what the holiday, known as WWDC, has brought me.

nagromme
Jun 17, 2003, 12:37 AM
(In defense of the eMac--they are not made to poor standards, believe me. Mine is very well made. The much-publicized display problems were a bad batch of IVAD cables from a supplier. Some buyers got a big load of eMacs with the bad cable, leading to display problems in a whole batch at once. Very aggravating, but covered by warranty. The issue was identified and dealt with and no longer exists.)

Sabenth
Jun 17, 2003, 01:03 AM
Jezz louies whos excited!!!! I am excited!!!! pun intended....

The boxes Iam taking a guess here one is the updated 15inch power book... the extreamly large boxe i would say is a power mac with g 5 stamped all over it..... and a nice big screen to go with it.....


:)

VMachine
Jun 17, 2003, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by nagromme
(In defense of the eMac--they are not made to poor standards, believe me. Mine is very well made. The much-publicized display problems were a bad batch of IVAD cables from a supplier. Some buyers got a big load of eMacs with the bad cable, leading to display problems in a whole batch at once. Very aggravating, but covered by warranty. The issue was identified and dealt with and no longer exists.)

I believe half the problems with the eMacs was the fact that they were made with (cheap?) LG brand CRTs in them - There are no end of complaints from people who have bought eMacs and have had troubles with the CRT (from forums on Apple's website) - everything from "I turned it on, it went pop, the screen went black..." to constant flickers across the screen. As well, I personally find it sadly limiting the way they have restricted the screen resolution to 1024x768 - is it because of the quality of the CRTs? And what ever happened to dual monitors? :( Nice to plug a pretty 22" monitor into the side, not nice to have it big 'n' ugly!

We've purchased five or six eMacs, and have not had many problems with them (touch wood, apart from one minor issue with a sticking power button that kept booting into Open Firmware...) but at the same time, others I know who have purchased eMacs have had rampant nightmares.

But then, I digress... we were talking about unmarked boxes and secret deliveries! :)

Catcha
V
(secret eMac fanatic? shhhh!)

Analog Kid
Jun 17, 2003, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Escher
Can't wait for the June 23 keynote. I'll probably head to my local Apple Store to view it.


With the hype surrounding this, those boxes probably hold the projectors they'll need so the crowds outside the Apple Stores don't tear down the walls to see the kenote...

jobberwacky
Jun 17, 2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Important part (quote):

indeed we received boxes which we cannot open (controlled possibly by APPLE France... with strong
punishment the key I presume), according to the size of these
famous boxes, it would seem that there are new portables whose
size would be 15", on the other hand the large ones are very LARGE

Psst, the large box contains the new 37" G5 PowerBook

MacBandit
Jun 17, 2003, 01:45 AM
I think the smaller boxes contain MP5s and the larger boxes are loaded magazines. This is for crowd control when Apple doesn't announce anything and just goes over the features of 10.3.

Analog Kid
Jun 17, 2003, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Awimoway
I genuinely mean no offense to our European neighbors, but does anyone else find it a little odd that all the best hardware intel is coming from Europe nowadays? I would have expected them to be a few days/weeks behind on most product shipments, intelligence, etc.

I've been struggling with the same thoughts since MacB started spouting off...

Best I can think of is that they're futher from the mother ship. Less loyalty to Cupertino. Harder to enforce legal agreements, etc. Harder to fire people because of labor laws...

As far as why boxes would turn up there first, it might be that they were shipped earlier because of customs issues and made it through earlier than expected, or FMAC may stock things differently-- distribute to the stores rather than hold in the warehouse...

Or it could be that they've just come on line to the rumor scene and wanted to try their hand at getting a bunch of people analysing a bunch of "paperboards"...

Anyone in Akihabara seen these things yet? Laox must get them early enough to carry them up that narrow stairway... :)

nagromme
Jun 17, 2003, 02:39 AM
I believe half the problems with the eMacs was the fact that they were made with (cheap?) LG brand CRTs in them ... I personally find it sadly limiting the way they have restricted the screen resolution to 1024x768

Not to dwell off-topic, but... my eMac DID have the display issue, and the CRT did not need to be changed, just that IVAD cable. I don't know who makes the tube, but I DO know that it looks nicer than any CRT I've ever personally seen, and others have said the same. Bright, clear, and totally flat. I think the big batch of bad cables gave the CRTs a bad name undeservedly. Add to that the "squeaky wheel" effect--you only heard from the folks with the duds.

As for the resolution, it's not limited to 1024x768--and my eMac is one of the older ones too. I run at 1152x864 (looks great), but it can do 1280x960 as well. (The current eMacs even have BOTH VGA and composite/S-video TV out built-in.)

For $799 ($749 edu) you can get a GREAT system with an eMac. Even the speakers are quite good if you don't need to blast your music. If anyone's considering an eMac, don't hesitate! Well... not any longer than the 23rd! (See, I tied it back in!)

Shaktai
Jun 17, 2003, 03:15 AM
Just a few quick points.

First off, this isn't the first time that MacBidouille has had lead info. Remember they are the ones who posted the first pictures of the Mirrored door PowerMac G4s. Folks tore those images apart and an endless parade of folks denounced them as fakes and photoshop hacks. Turns out they were the real thing.

Second, rumors are starting to surface of "mysterious boxes" in some Apple Stores. Contrary to some folks here, Apple employees tend to appreciate their jobs, and will not risk them just to "leak information or photos". Sorry, but it isn't worth a good job just to release some information to a rumor board. What information does leak from Apple employees is done so very carefully to protect the sources.

So far there only seems to be one source for the 19" eMac rumor and this from an uncertain source. However the mysterious boxes have been seen at several FNAC locations and reported by several sources. What if (purely speculation) a 19" eMac didn't use a CRT display?

oddgit
Jun 17, 2003, 03:22 AM
as far as i know all of the Power Macs come from Apple, Elk Grove here in california near good ol' Sacramento.
the last time a new Power Mac came out they blocked off half of the assembely line with heavy black curtins so people would not see the g4s, back when the g4s were on the verge of coming out. If thats the case, and one can only hope they are being built here and not in another country, the boxes will be originating from...
Apple Computer inc.
2851 Laguna Blvd
Elk Grove, CA, 95758

and they will be bounced through Oakland International Airport(OAK) or San Francisco International Airport(SFO) there is a small chance that they will come from Sacramento International Airport(SAC).

from what i remember my PowerMac and the cube and the macs my friends have all ordered come in just the box, with no outer box, but my powerbook did. the displays dont come in outer boxes because i remember seeing FedEx lables on them but they could now because of the amount being shiped to a location.

usually hi-tickets items come via FedEx and UPS in individual boxes, ie one unit, one box for tracking purposes. if they shipped lets say 6 12" powerbooks in a larger box they are risking "sorry there were only 4 when i opened it" and they really have nothing they can do.

Back when the PS2s were debued they came all packed with do not release until X date... they could have boxed the things in a bigger box just so they could have them hidden until wwdc.

well those were the random thoughts of of an ex retail employee, ill try to get a hold of some people that work at apple to see what is goin down at Apple Elk Grove

later all!

thies
Jun 17, 2003, 06:20 AM
you know, the special event in germany is in the most expensive hotel possible. you don't stage a big event there unless it's in some way worth the ridiculously high price you have to pay to hold it there.
Or it's just baseless hype and 970's aren't seen for another year and the boxes just hold Motorola G4's running at 2GHz which need liquid nitrogen cooling.
I actually wouldn't rule out for now that what will be shown is merely updated overpriced and underpowered motorola crap again.

GregA
Jun 17, 2003, 07:06 AM
So the german site says that there will be some news that will trample on your previous expectations for speed. Sounds good. And Apple wants to get fast sales of their new product (whatever is in the box) in France, hence the predelivery and use of a consumer store. And I guess now is the time that schools are making their purchases up "North"?

So I'm wondering what else would be in a huge box (other than a 19" eMac) - assuming that the box is sold as a single package. I would have guessed at things like - a Cube with 5 separate 'terminals' (17" displays with keyboard/mouse?)... but I think that that's beyond 10.2.

So any ideas on what else would take that size, or could be bundled together in a sale?

an edit/addition: Come to think of it, that doesn't match the German invite focussing on video/audio/media professionals and the speed... but neither does a 19" eMac. So I'm at a loss - I don't think the box'll be an eMac. Maybe the same day release stuff is only for 'consumer' products.

ramiman
Jun 17, 2003, 08:18 AM
Im sorry for the ones who dootn believe in new powerbooks and powermlacs but it is sure theyre coming out this summer. Proof : go on www.fnac.com and search for apple products if u click on powermac or powerbook 12" u will see that it is written under the computer image : indisponible, nouveaté à venir : which means "unavailable, novelties are to come", so please be patient for 6 days.

MetallicPenguin
Jun 17, 2003, 09:21 AM
And here's a counter to help you wait:

Counter (www.3cmug.co.uk/countdown.html)

Thankyou whoever made this, I can't remember your name.

MünchMob
Jun 17, 2003, 11:51 AM
If you take a look at the Cancom homepage (one of the largest european mac resellers) in the top right corner you'll see a picture of a veiled PowerMac labeled as "G5-verpackt_grau_small.jpg" and an anouncement of new desktops on monday evening
here (http://shop.cancom.de/shop/MediaAndBusinessSolutions/wa?showtemplatecomponent=t_startseite&community=tendi&menulevel1=shop&menulevel2=home&comingfrom=Cancom)
:D :D :D :D :D

jobberwacky
Jun 17, 2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by MünchMob
If you take a look at the Cancom homepage (one of the largest european mac resellers) in the top right corner you'll see a picture of a veiled PowerMac labeled as "G5-verpackt_grau_small.jpg" and an anouncement of new desktops on monday evening
here (http://shop.cancom.de/shop/MediaAndBusinessSolutions/wa?showtemplatecomponent=t_startseite&community=tendi&menulevel1=shop&menulevel2=home&comingfrom=Cancom)
:D :D :D :D :D
Great observation! Hm, the cancom crew haven't opened their boxes, have they? Ts, ts, ts.
Now all we need to find out is what's in the small box.


Andreas, probably rushing to the Berlin Cancom store on Monday...

Dr.DODO
Jun 18, 2003, 01:34 PM
FYI
Translation of Kodawarisan post.

July 19, 2003
New Products Displayed at Apple Stores Next Week
New products planned to introduced at WWDC will be displayed at each Apple Sore immediately after Steve’s speech.
According to information, new products for display have arrived in some stores with “Handle with Care” [“Treat with Care” might be another way to translate but I think what they really mean is “Treat as Confidential”] labels.

gumray
Jun 23, 2003, 06:43 AM
I dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that the 970 is 64 bit:( G4s were 128 bit) Is this gonna slow it down any, I guess ill have to see some numbers before Im a believer in IBM's new chip. remember the os 9/X combo OS Dual 1.25 with 4 mb of cache was 18.5 gigaflops, and the Dual 1.42 is 21.5 gigaflops. I dont know what to think about moving to Ibm chips instead of Moto. Remember Megahertz means NOTHING@!
Mac OS X because windows sucks (startup screen)
:p give me your responses
Michael

robbieduncan
Jun 23, 2003, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by gumray
I dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that the 970 is 64 bit:( G4s were 128 bit) Is this gonna slow it down any, I guess ill have to see some numbers before Im a believer in IBM's new chip. remember the os 9/X combo OS Dual 1.25 with 4 mb of cache was 18.5 gigaflops, and the Dual 1.42 is 21.5 gigaflops. I dont know what to think about moving to Ibm chips instead of Moto. Remember Megahertz means NOTHING@!
Mac OS X because windows sucks (startup screen)
:p give me your responses
Michael

What are you talking about? Are you joking? The G4 is a 32bit chip (it has a 32 bit wide data bus) with a 128bit vector processing unit. The 970 is a 64bit chip with a 128bit vector unit. But the number of bits that a chip can process at once does not have a massive effect on general performance so you cannot say that a 970 is twice as fast as a G4 as it has twice as wide a data bus.