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killr_b
May 14, 2007, 02:22 PM
Yeah, incase you forgot about your kids being in the hands of maniacs all day everyday…

Teachers Stage Fake Gun Attack on Kids (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-faked-attack,1,942054.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true)

These people are sick, and you know what? This isn't the first time they've done this this year. In fact, if I can dig it up I will, students have been shot by police who were staging these attacks.

But don't worry, the government and the police love you and would never hurt you or your children… :rolleyes:

ezzie
May 14, 2007, 02:37 PM
Yeah, incase you forgot about your kids being in the hands of maniacs all day everyday…

Teachers Stage Fake Gun Attack on Kids (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-faked-attack,1,942054.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true)

These people are sick, and you know what? This isn't the first time they've done this this year. In fact, if I can dig it up I will, students have been shot by police who were staging these attacks.

But don't worry, the government and the police love you and would never hurt you or your children… :rolleyes:

read this on CNN this morning, and i have to say, i'm just shocked at how stupid and heartless this truly was.

the icing on the cake was that the staff members told the children that it was not a drill....that there really was a gunman after them. ridiculous. i can only imagine how frightened these kids really were.

this doesn't even compare, but when i was in 11th grade, we were coming back from Florida (band trip) on our charter bus. most of us were sleeping, when all of a sudden the bus pulled over, one of the chaperones started screaming "everyone out! fire! the bus is on fire!" and we all stumbled of the bus, groggy and out of it and frightened. we all got off the bus, and the chaperone says "just kidding......we have doughnuts for everyone, so grab one on your way back on the bus." :mad: i know how shaken, irritated, angry i was about that....these poor 6th graders were feeling it tenfold, i'm sure.

everyone involved in this "exercise" should be disciplined. period.

mattscott306
May 14, 2007, 02:41 PM
Registration is required for the article, can you quote it?

ezzie
May 14, 2007, 02:43 PM
Registration is required for the article, can you quote it?

from CNN:

MURFREESBORO, Tennessee (AP) -- Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.

The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.

"We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation," he said.

But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged.

"The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them," said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.

Some parents said they were upset by the staff's poor judgment in light of the April 16 shootings at Virginia Tech that left 33 students and professors dead, including the gunman.

During the last night of the trip, staff members convinced the 69 students that there was a gunman on the loose. They were told to lie on the floor or hide underneath tables and stay quiet. A teacher, disguised in a hooded sweat shirt, even pulled on a locked door.

After the lights went out, about 20 kids started to cry, 11-year-old Shay Naylor said.

"I was like, 'Oh My God,' " she said. "At first I thought I was going to die. We flipped out."

Principal Catherine Stephens declined to say whether the staff members involved would face disciplinary action, but said the situation "involved poor judgment."

killr_b
May 14, 2007, 02:43 PM
My bad.

Teachers Stage Fake Gun Attack on Kids

By Associated Press
Published May 14, 2007, 6:35 AM CDT

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.

The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.

"We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation," he said.

But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged.

"The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them," said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.

Some parents said they were upset by the staff's poor judgment in light of the April 16 shootings at Virginia Tech that left 33 students and professors dead, including the gunman.

During the last night of the trip, staff members convinced the 69 students that there was a gunman on the loose. They were told to lie on the floor or hide underneath tables and stay quiet. A teacher, disguised in a hooded sweat shirt, even pulled on locked door.

After the lights went out, about 20 kids started to cry, 11-year-old Shay Naylor said.

"I was like, 'Oh My God,' " she said. "At first I thought I was going to die. We flipped out."

Principal Catherine Stephens declined to say whether the staff members involved would face disciplinary action, but said the situation "involved poor judgment."

CorvusCamenarum
May 14, 2007, 05:20 PM
Here's their press release or whatever you want to call it. spin (http://www.cityschools.net/schoolsites/se/index.html)

I'd be shopping for a new school if I were one of those parents.

Just another reason my children will never set foot in a public school.

letsgorangers
May 14, 2007, 06:11 PM
what goes through someone's head that makes them think this is a good idea? ridiculous.

i live in murfreesboro, so it's odd to hear it happened here.

killr_b
May 14, 2007, 08:44 PM
Gee, loss of pay for 13 days. And they're suspended. So, they got a two week unpaid vacation right before summer vacation…

Maybe someone from Murfreesboro should sue them.

CorvusCamenarum
May 14, 2007, 09:05 PM
Gee, loss of pay for 13 days. And they're suspended. So, they got a two week unpaid vacation right before summer vacation…

Maybe someone from Murfreesboro should sue them.

Not even a token apology, either.

GFLPraxis
May 14, 2007, 10:47 PM
Is it terrible that reading that made me laugh?

I'm not saying it's good. It's definitely wrong, and retarded. They should definitely be punished. But funny wrong.

notjustjay
May 14, 2007, 10:48 PM
Firing's too good for these people.

They should go to JAIL. That's gotta be a crime in there somewhere.

dmw007
May 14, 2007, 10:49 PM
I can not believe that the school officials thought this would be a good idea. :rolleyes:

solvs
May 15, 2007, 12:05 AM
And to think, we were mad at some sub showing a boring movie about gay cowboys. :rolleyes:

If any school official every did this to me when I was a kid, or one of my kids, I know I'd never trust them again.

aquajet
May 15, 2007, 12:57 AM
That's gotta be a crime in there somewhere.

They should have tried this at their local grocery. Or better yet, at a bank or in an airplane. Care to take a guess at what would have happened? :rolleyes:

I hope the DA looks into this. At the very least we have reasonable suspicion that they were under the influence of crack cocaine at the time.

hikeNM
May 15, 2007, 12:00 PM
The question I have is, at what point does this become "outrageous" to people?

Being a school teacher I can say from first hand experience that we drill the students alot on certain situations and never tell them if the situation is real or not. It's standard procedure to have fire drills and tornado drills once a month and not tell them on purpose. Trust me you don't get the same reaction from the students and they don't take it as seriously if you preface the drill with a disclaimer saying it's not real.

From what I've read, people consider it bad that we do that with tornado and fire drills?

Obviously age has alot to do with the situation. I deal with high school. Maybe their nerves are more prepared to practice a very life like situation.

And in no way am I saying what was done with the fake gunman is right. I just want to know where the line can be drawn!

ezzie
May 15, 2007, 12:23 PM
The question I have is, at what point does this become "outrageous" to people?

...

And in no way am I saying what was done with the fake gunman is right. I just want to know where the line can be drawn!

i'm not a teacher and i don't have kids. i have, however, been in the public school system and been through fire/tornado drills. with tornado drills....everyone goes to the hallways and lines up with their heads between their knees. fire drills....everyone leaves the building through the emergency exits. shooting drills....hide, run, scream, cry, and cower, because you know how randomly and quickly kids get shot during school shootings. these kids have seen this stuff on TV, they've heard about it, and it's probably moved up a bit on their "fear" list because it's been in the news recently, like only a month ago at VT.

the other problem here is that this "drill" occurred in a state park on a class trip, not in school. when was the last time you had a fire drill on a field trip?

CorvusCamenarum
May 15, 2007, 12:37 PM
The question I have is, at what point does this become "outrageous" to people?

Being a school teacher I can say from first hand experience that we drill the students alot on certain situations and never tell them if the situation is real or not. It's standard procedure to have fire drills and tornado drills once a month and not tell them on purpose. Trust me you don't get the same reaction from the students and they don't take it as seriously if you preface the drill with a disclaimer saying it's not real.

From what I've read, people consider it bad that we do that with tornado and fire drills?

Obviously age has alot to do with the situation. I deal with high school. Maybe their nerves are more prepared to practice a very life like situation.

And in no way am I saying what was done with the fake gunman is right. I just want to know where the line can be drawn!

I think a lot of it has to do with intent. If I read the original press release correctly, which has now been replaced on the school's website, the children were expecting Generic Teacher Prank on Kids. Obviously they got something much different. Also, the event in question didn't even happen at school but on some sort of field trip. You'd think if they were aiming to prepare students for Just In Case™, they'd include the whole school.

It really scares me that we've apparently turned the corner where we need to include terrorist or disgruntled armed student drills along with fire and tornado.

I'm just waiting for the Winnie the Pooh and Spongebob branded body armor for schoolchildren.

freeny
May 15, 2007, 12:45 PM
I would sue for an appology as well as tuition to private school for the remainder of my childs grade school learning.
And Im pretty darn sure I would win.

aquajet
May 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
The question I have is, at what point does this become "outrageous" to people?

When we start using common sense. Try this in a different setting, like I mentioned once already, and see what happens.

Fire drills in schools don't normally involve setting a controlled fire in front of them, nor do we use real tornados either. We can't simulate Columbine or VT any more than we can simulate a tornado or earthquake.

What about lockdown drills? Are these employed? That would be a good start, if not.

Agent Smith
May 15, 2007, 10:01 PM
I'm an elementary school teacher, and we do lockdown drills on a random basis. I never tell the class when it comes; sometimes I'll be in the middle of a lesson (even mid-sentence) and I'll just say "lockdown". My class knows exactly what to do.

That said, I think that having an emergency procedure on an overnight field trip is a very good idea. HOWEVER (caps for the people who don't read all the words...), this situation was handled so spectacularly POORLY and INCORRECTLY it boggles the mind. That is NOT the way you teach children an emergency procedure. Those involved should be ashamed of themselves, and should seriously reconsider their professions.

hikeNM
May 15, 2007, 10:18 PM
When we start using common sense. Try this in a different setting, like I mentioned once already, and see what happens.

Fire drills in schools don't normally involve setting a controlled fire in front of them, nor do we use real tornados either. We can't simulate Columbine or VT any more than we can simulate a tornado or earthquake.

What about lockdown drills? Are these employed? That would be a good start, if not.

Yes we do lockdown drills, although nobody, even teachers, are told if it's a drill or not.

If a students freak during a drill, should we stop the drills? Would people here be up in arms because some kids were unfairly treated?

At what point does the drill go too far? It's not a cut and dry answer is it?

killr_b
May 15, 2007, 10:57 PM
i'm not a teacher and i don't have kids. i have, however, been in the public school system and been through fire/tornado drills. with tornado drills....everyone goes to the hallways and lines up with their heads between their knees. fire drills....everyone leaves the building through the emergency exits. shooting drills....hide, run, scream, cry, and cower, because you know how randomly and quickly kids get shot during school shootings. these kids have seen this stuff on TV, they've heard about it, and it's probably moved up a bit on their "fear" list because it's been in the news recently, like only a month ago at VT.

the other problem here is that this "drill" occurred in a state park on a class trip, not in school. when was the last time you had a fire drill on a field trip?

How about the part where the teacher told the kids "this is not a drill"

puckhead193
May 15, 2007, 11:05 PM
MURFREESBORO, Tennessee (AP)....
The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.


They took a weeklong trip; is this camp? :confused:
what the hell were the teachers thinking.... :eek:

Father Jack
May 15, 2007, 11:11 PM
OMG ..... and some people have the cheek to say the Irish are mad :confused:

Who ever thought of this should be sectioned or join Paris Hilton for a while.

FJ

killr_b
May 16, 2007, 02:25 PM
They took a weeklong trip; is this camp? :confused:
what the hell were the teachers thinking.... :eek:

It's a common activity for 6th graders. Here, we called it 'outdoor' school. It was a week where I live as well.

puckhead193
May 16, 2007, 06:43 PM
It's a common activity for 6th graders. Here, we called it 'outdoor' school. It was a week where I live as well.

ummm... what do you learn about in "outdoor school"

ErikCLDR
May 16, 2007, 07:40 PM
How does this have an educational benefit to the kids. Basically, yea, its terrorizing them. This wasn't even in the school itself so why would they practice something like this outside of it.

Drills are fine, but if its something as serious as an armed gunman trying to kill everyone, they should at least say its a drill.

mcarnes
May 17, 2007, 12:03 AM
ummm... what do you learn about in "outdoor school"

Plants, bugs, squirrels, stuff like that.

Nym
May 17, 2007, 05:52 AM
This is 100% absurd. Anyone who knows 2% about child/teenager psychology would refute this proposal as soon as it was mentioned, and you bet your @ss that anyone who sues this school is bound to get some bucks, this is ridiculous.

I wonder what's next? Shall we stage a kidnapping of a 10 year old, cover its head, put him in a van, remove his kidney, do some sexual abuse and then ditch him in the desert? Wait for him to return home (after 2 years) and go "SURPRISE!!!! IT WAS A DRILL!!!" ...

The only drill I ever had in school was a fire situation. I must admit that If my country had a drill for "lockdown" or "armed subject randomly shooting people" I'd think about the society I live in :(

I sometimes get the feeling that Europe is so much safer than the US, do you feel safe? I mean, Americans, are you sometimes afraid of getting shot in a normal weekday out of nowhere?

On a side note, I was just reading my local area free newspaper about a story of a baby named Bubba Ludwig (American citizen, 10 months old) that already has a gun permit because it's grandfather gave a rifle to him that's supposed to be kept safe until the boy's 14th anniversary, when it will be given to him. I mean, 14 year old with a gun? isn't there something wrong with this image? :)

BlackMax
May 17, 2007, 09:42 AM
Unfortunately, some people don't have the brains God gave a Junebug.