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Blue Velvet
May 21, 2007, 01:45 AM
This is a bit sad, especially to those who have visited or live in London. A piece of naval history, up in smoke... always prominent in the TV coverage of the London marathon and a real landmark down in Greenwich.

The famous 19th Century ship the Cutty Sark is "100%" ablaze and is being treated as suspicious, the London Fire Brigade said.

An area around the 138-year-old tea clipper is being evacuated amid fears that gas cylinders were on board.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6675381.stm

http://www.cuttysark.org.uk/index.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutty_Sark

displaced
May 21, 2007, 01:55 AM
You managed to post while I was typing -- I've pointed people to this thread, just 'cos your posts all nicer with the words n' all :)

Quite sad really. However, some of the people on-site seem to be (relatively) optimistic. About 50% of the ship had been taken away during the current renovations, so hopefully much of it is safe. There had been reports that you could see 'right through' the ship, which sounded pretty bad. However, I've just heard that was due to the renovations -- so really quite a lot must've been removed from the hull's exterior.

Fingers crossed, we have plenty of skilled people able to restore the ship in as authentic a way as possible.

iGav
May 21, 2007, 05:26 AM
However, I've just heard that was due to the renovations

Yup, I think it'd been stripped back to it's basic timber and iron frame, with the exception of the forecastle and bow which look in reasonably complete judging by Skycopter.

inspected the site said at around 8:35 a.m., "The decks are unsalvageable but all the planking had already been removed; however the damage is not as bad as originally expected."

As I understand it, it was due to be completed by the end of 2008/start of 2009, I wonder if they'll set themselves a new target completion date for 2012?

Queso
May 21, 2007, 05:31 AM
The masts and decks themselves had been removed for the renovation. They will have catalogued every plank in what was left so it will be possible to reconstruct what's gone if they want to. Won't be the same though will it :(

Would it be a better idea just to board that Swedish galleon currently moored near HMS Belfast and "purloin" it in the spirit of Sir Francis Drake for a replacement?

http://www.kallaway.co.uk/pics/gothenborg1.jpg

displaced
May 21, 2007, 05:57 AM
The masts and decks themselves had been removed for the renovation. They will have catalogued every plank in what was left so it will be possible to reconstruct what's gone if they want to. Won't be the same though will it :(

That's good to hear, although you're right about it not quite being the same. I hope there's some artisans out there who've kept old shipbuilding and woodworking practices alive and can rebuild it in as authentic a manner as possible.

Would it be a better idea just to board that Swedish galleon currently moored near HMS Belfast and "purloin" it in the spirit of Sir Francis Drake for a replacement?

Excellent idea!

Yaarrrgh!

Queso
May 21, 2007, 06:02 AM
That's good to hear, although you're right about it not quite being the same. I hope there's some artisans out there who've kept old shipbuilding and woodworking practices alive and can rebuild it in as authentic a manner as possible.
The team that work on HMS Victory will be their best hope I would have thought, although that ship is even more precious now :(

If this was arson, I want them to bring back the stocks. Anyone who would deliberately destroy such an amazing piece of history needs public humiliation and a damn good birching before rotting in prison.

I hope it's not though. I'd prefer to think nobody could be that sick.

Jaffa Cake
May 21, 2007, 06:44 AM
...it will be possible to reconstruct what's gone if they want to. Won't be the same though will it :( Indeed while they'll be able to use a fair bit of the original materials, quite a lot is going to have to be replaced. How much of the original needs to be left on the ship before it's considered a replica?

It's sad news I quite like old ships. I find it incredible that anyone would want to start a fire like this deliberately. :(

AlBDamned
May 21, 2007, 07:09 AM
It's sad news I quite like old ships. I find it incredible that anyone would want to start a fire like this deliberately. :(

Little punks in Greenwich would be capable of anything.

Queso
May 21, 2007, 07:16 AM
Those in the know are now saying there is a good chance the ship can be restored, thanks to the masts, rigging, sails, figurehead, decks and numerous artifacts having been moved to Chatham dockyard for the duration of the refurb.

I certainly hope so. Police are going through CCTV footage as there were several people around just before the fire started.

Pictures of the remains:-

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_02/RecutCuttyJBT_468x606.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_02/BurntSark1JBT_468x313.jpg

Abstract
May 21, 2007, 07:36 AM
Anyone who would deliberately destroy such an amazing piece of history needs public humiliation and a damn good birching before rotting in prison.

Yeah, seriously. What would someone have against the Cutty Sark? Ridiculous. What's the point? My first reaction was "probably a chav", but a chav? It's got to be someone a lot dumber than that. Besides, this type of vandalism sound very chav-vy.

iGav
May 21, 2007, 08:01 AM
It's got to be someone a lot dumber than that. .

Probably a property developer. ;)

displaced
May 21, 2007, 11:59 AM
... thanks to the masts, rigging, sails, figurehead, decks and numerous artifacts having been moved to Chatham...

Chatham?! Not exactly a quiet haven free from yobbery and arson :D

Queso
May 21, 2007, 12:01 PM
Chatham?! Not exactly a quiet haven free from yobbery and arson :D
The basis of the word Chav apparently :eek:

CortexRock
May 21, 2007, 01:07 PM
I read somewhere that the term 'chav' is apparently derived from a nautical term, used to greet a crew mate or fellow sailor/boatman on the River Medway - as in "How are you, my old chavvy?"

I don't know how true that is though!

Jaffa Cake
May 21, 2007, 01:58 PM
I had heard it was derived from a gypsy term for a cheeky youngster, or something.

If they find a scorched burberry cap at the scene of the crime then we've got our culprits.

Turkish
May 21, 2007, 02:02 PM
If they find a scorched burberry cap at the scene of the crime then we've got our culprits.

*spews half-chewed M&M's all over monitor*

gkarris
May 21, 2007, 02:39 PM
Obviously, a work of foreign sabotage against Her Majesty's Fleet.

Though, I hear someone out there is building an "Iron Clad"...

:p

G.Kirby
May 21, 2007, 03:40 PM
Such a saddening situation. Another one of the treasures of history has been wiped from the earth by a waste of organs and skin. This type of thing really grips my *****. :mad:

Counterfit
May 21, 2007, 10:14 PM
Obviously, a work of foreign sabotage against Her Majesty's Fleet.

Though, I hear someone out there is building an "Iron Clad"...

:p

I head there's a ship where the cannonballs just bounce off! :eek:



When I saw the title, I thought it had something to do with the Scotch. :o

amd4me
May 21, 2007, 11:00 PM
I had heard it was derived from a gypsy term for a cheeky youngster, or something.

If they find a scorched burberry cap at the scene of the crime then we've got our culprits.

What is it in England with chavs and burberry?
In the US Burberry is for the very affluent and well to do.
RL and Tommy are for the youngsters.

AoWolf
May 22, 2007, 01:01 AM
138 years ago when they laid the keel I wonder if they could have imagined the ship would travel world successfully only to be damaged by a fire while being restored. To bad although it sounds like they will restore it.

Jaffa Cake
May 22, 2007, 02:52 AM
What is it in England with chavs and burberry?
In the US Burberry is for the very affluent and well to do.They feel that a splash of fake burberry adds a touch of elegance and sophistication a burberry scarf is great for hiding your face while engaging in acts of vandalism and petty crime. Apparently.

miniConvert
May 22, 2007, 02:55 AM
Very sad :( Mostly because it's hard to believe somebody would waste time and effort destroying a piece of history.

islandman
May 22, 2007, 05:24 AM
Sad. I have a model of it that I built several years ago.

Abstract
May 22, 2007, 05:39 AM
What is it in England with chavs and burberry?
In the US Burberry is for the very affluent and well to do.
RL and Tommy are for the youngsters.

I think chavs like stripes, because they also like Adidas trousers and hats.

Burberry is to a chav what Tommy is to white suburban American kids and "wiggers". I don't know why either brand became so popular with such people, but there you go.

steviem
May 22, 2007, 06:44 AM
:rolleyes: That Osama, he'll do anything for attention, but my first thought was 'insurance job', how bad a conclusion is that to jump to :(

Seriously though, it is such an important ship historically, and I used to love seeing it when i was younger, I really hope it gets restored to near its former glory.

amd4me
May 22, 2007, 02:39 PM
They feel that a splash of fake burberry adds a touch of elegance and sophistication a burberry scarf is great for hiding your face while engaging in acts of vandalism and petty crime. Apparently.
I wear Burnerry London.
I feel dirty!:p

edesignuk
May 24, 2007, 08:18 AM
Just got this e-mailed :D

http://upload.yo-momma.net/uploads/forums/cuttyjack.jpg

Chrismcfall
May 28, 2007, 07:57 AM
:eek: :D

I saw it on the apprentice last week. Maybe Katie did it! She's a bit of an attention seeker:D