SR MBP LED LCD yellowish and gradients issue

[issic]

Hey
I just run LCD TEST (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/23237) on my new :apple: SR MBP and as well on mine "old" Generation 2.2 :apple: MBP (actually 4weeks old but can't return it) and in gradients test the LED LCD provided some wierd results :confused: (one horrizontal line and one curved one across the whole test) Also it's seems a bottom part of screen is going little yellowish, anybody has this experience:cool: :( :confused: ?

[BrianMR]

I've noticed that when viewed at an angle, it looks yellowish. Quite yellowish. Also casts a yellowish glow on the keyboard too.

I'm not sure if it bothers me or not.

[DoFoT9]

I'm not sure if it bothers me or not.

hahah how could you not be sure??? mine is also a bit like that, and its darker towards the left side of the screen than compared to the right. it doesnt really bother me tho i spose. not gonna let a little light (or lack of it) get in my way!!

[issic]

not gonna let a little light (or lack of it) get in my way!!

What about the gradients test? :confused:

[DoFoT9]

just change the gammar urself using colour sync utility in utilituies folder... have a fiddle and it should be ok. i think...

[aaronw1986]

is this matte or glossy?

[issic]

is this matte or glossy?

It's matte, but that doesn't matter, that's just finishing, the display is the same underneath.

Color Sync Utility will do gamut in whole display not selectively just in lower parts, that's not a good advice. Or you ment the gradient issue? That's very wierd stuff, so please try somebody else as well if you will see a curved and horizontal line in the gradients.

[powerocool]

I'm glad that it's not just me. It is a little annoying sometimes. I usually prefer bluish tint than yellow. Bottom half of the screen looks a little yellow/darker on white. You can test by place 2 browser windows with http://www.apple.com/. One on top half and one on the bottom. The white "Leopard" text look different isn't it?

[issic]

I'm glad that it's not just me. It is a little annoying sometimes. I usually prefer bluish tint than yellow. Bottom half of the screen looks a little yellow/darker on white. You can test by place 2 browser windows with http://www.apple.com/. One on top half and one on the bottom. The white "Leopard" text look different isn't it?

So now the hard part,

so if there is a flicker issue as posted on several forums

and

now it's this uneven yellowish tint on different places of display (mine bottom, somebody's side)

so if I will go to Apple Store and replace this unit, for sure I will get the flicker one, then another yelowish and so on and on and on...

As I work mainly for colorgrading this is a issue for me (and yeah I should buy a Cinemadisplay and I will but...) in field work I need to get a good performing display!

So change or wait till last moment? (BTW How is it? You can return it or change it in month after purchase, so if I will pick new one will it automat. extend the month period? Or this issues are covered by 1 year warranty...

[iW00t]

I've noticed that when viewed at an angle, it looks yellowish. Quite yellowish. Also casts a yellowish glow on the keyboard too.

I'm not sure if it bothers me or not.

I noticed it too, but it is heaven compared to the old ones, so I am happy.

See? I am not impossible to please! :rolleyes:

[powerocool]

I put my old MBP away, no more looking side by side. I'm just happy that I don't have a dead pixel or any other problem. Now start enjoying the new snappy machine.

Now, someone make Pantone Huey Pro work for this new LED screen, I'll be really happy. I had a hard time calibrating by eye, so it's back to default for now.

[iW00t]

I put my old MBP away, no more looking side by side. I'm just happy that I don't have a dead pixel or any other problem. Now start enjoying the new snappy machine.

Now, someone make Pantone Huey Pro work for this new LED screen, I'll be really happy. I had a hard time calibrating by eye, so it's back to default for now.

Why can't the Huey work with the new screens? The Monacco XR gave me a bit of flack because the screen is supposedly too bright even on the minimum setting, but it still "sort of" calibrates fine :D

[powerocool]

Why can't the Huey work with the new screens? The Monacco XR gave me a bit of flack because the screen is supposedly too bright even on the minimum setting, but it still "sort of" calibrates fine :D

Well after the calibration the screen would look super purple when you move your head down and look up to the screen. Green when you move your head up and look down. And while looking at it straight on, top is a little purple, middle is white, bottom is a little green. It's just weird. I would take pictures but my camera isn't here at the moment.

[PDE]

I noticed it too, but it is heaven compared to the old ones, so I am happy.

See? I am not impossible to please! :rolleyes:

You got yours???!! Liking it?

Yes, I've noticed this too. The bottom quarter is slightly darker than the top three quarters - or does it just have a slight yellowish tint? I assumed it was just that it was a little darker...

I'm with you: it's so much better than the old ones that it's hard to complain!

[PDE]

So now the hard part,

so if there is a flicker issue as posted on several forums

and

now it's this uneven yellowish tint on different places of display (mine bottom, somebody's side)

so if I will go to Apple Store and replace this unit, for sure I will get the flicker one, then another yelowish and so on and on and on...

As I work mainly for colorgrading this is a issue for me (and yeah I should buy a Cinemadisplay and I will but...) in field work I need to get a good performing display!

So change or wait till last moment? (BTW How is it? You can return it or change it in month after purchase, so if I will pick new one will it automat. extend the month period? Or this issues are covered by 1 year warranty...


Is it an either or thing? I mean, perhaps all of them have this yellowish tint/darker area?

[issic]

Is it an either or thing? I mean, perhaps all of them have this yellowish tint/darker area?

Then Look on that GRADIENT that's a serious issue if the display can't display proper 24bits

[Simon R.]

Then Look on that GRADIENT that's a serious issue if the display can't display proper 24bits

Hasn't this been covered many many times, concluding that no laptops show 8-bit (24-bit) colors but just 6-bit (18-bit)?

[PDE]

The gradient test shows what we all know already, namely that these displays are 6 bit, not 8 bit. All current notebook displays are 6 bit - just go to the manufacturers' websites and you'll see.

We've got to move on...

[avalys]

I can't believe you guys are okay with this - I just bought a 15" MBP to replace my PowerBook G4, and I am rather annoyed that the bottom 1/3 of the screen is yellowish.

If they're really all like this, what can I do? Maybe if I wait a while before returning it, they'll get a new shipment in.

[HFU]

That's strange, I played with 15" LED both matte and glossy at local Apple store and didn't notice this issue. I do notice matte is slightly brighter than glossy at the highest level of brightness, and glossy has more of the yellowish tint overall from side angle viewing, but nothing like sectional yellowish tint. If this is an issue with certain batch of the MBP, you might want to consider exchange with Apple store before the 14-day period. I also ran the LCD test on my Napa C2D, there is no horizontal line or curve, only the 6-bit gradient issue.

[Cybergypsy]

I have to go to a Apple store before i buy......

[issic]

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If they're really all like this, what can I do? Maybe if I wait a while before returning it, they'll get a new shipment in.

Well you can't see the lines on the OLD Mercury display, but you CAN see them on the new LED...isn't it strange?

Yeah I will propably do the same wait if something will happen...(firmware, update, common change?)

[issic]

I have to go to a Apple store before i buy......

Well check which the showing, here in Woodland Hills they showing the "old" ones in the store...

[PDE]

That's strange, I played with 15" LED both matte and glossy at local Apple store and didn't notice this issue. I do notice matte is slightly brighter than glossy at the highest level of brightness, and glossy has more of the yellowish tint overall from side angle viewing, but nothing like sectional yellowish tint. If this is an issue with certain batch of the MBP, you might want to consider exchange with Apple store before the 14-day period. I also ran the LCD test on my Napa C2D, there is no horizontal line or curve, only the 6-bit gradient issue.

To be honest, it took several days to notice this because I hadn't calibrated the display. Using the terrible ColorLCD profile, the whole display has the same tint to it so you can't see it at all. It's only when whites are genuinely white that the lower part is noticeable.

I've been through more MBPs and macbooks over the past year than computers over the past 14 years so I'm really hesitant to send this one back, especially if it's a wider problem.

As I said, the only way you can see this is if your display is calibrated and whites are really white. The default ColorLCD profile somehow covers it completely.

[issic]

Napa C2D, there is no horizontal line or curve, only the 6-bit gradient issue.

so how is the 6bit issue displayed?

[PDE]

I ran the lcdtest too and saw nothing different from the previous MBPs

[issic]

The default ColorLCD profile somehow covers it completely.

Totaly agree I calibrated it several times by internal calibration and with SuperCal (free utility) and mine brand new notebook around dock is looking like if somebody was blowing a cigarette smoke on it....yellow tint as a vintage machine.

So Ironicaly somebody said that mercury display will go yellowish by time, older = yellower. The new display comes with this feature "pre-installed" so you will not notice :D actually it's not funny :(

Especially when consider :apple: computers are used in film, video, photography and graphics...:mad: :apple: :mad:

[HFU]

I've been through more MBPs and macbooks over the past year than computers over the past 14 years so I'm really hesitant to send this one back, especially if it's a wider problem.I'd recommend keep it when you are satisfy with it because chances that you won't get another screen like this, could be worse, e.g. pixel issues you know.

I had gone through many CD and Napa C2D exchanges in the past for the same reason, only had I gone through more than 10 machines to find out one Napa C2D that had very minimal grain (very hard to see) and evenly lit panel.

so how is the 6bit issue displayed?
More like color banding. Check the image below. Is that what appeared on your screen?

[PDE]

I'd recommend keep it when you are satisfy with it because chances that you won't get another screen like this, could be worse, e.g. pixel issues you know.

I had gone through many CD and Napa C2D exchanges in the past for the same reason, only had I gone through more than 10 machines to find out one Napa C2D that had very minimal grain (very hard to see) and evenly lit panel.


I'm almost embarrassed to tell anybody how many 15" MBPs I've had since they came out last year, but I too counted 10 plus this last one! I'm not going to admit how many macbooks I had....

At least I'm not alone....

I'm very happy with this one - everything is perfect on it: no manufacturing/assembly flaws (cosmetically the most perfect one I've had), all functions working perfectly (sounds,mic, superdrive, all ports), heat is reasonable, no noises or squeaks and the display is many times better than any of the displays on the other ones, even with that slight yellow tint at the bottom. So it's a keeper. If this turns out to be a widespread issue and apple addresses it, I might have the display replaced later, but otherwise the displays is beautiful.

Perfection is always elusive with apple laptops. It's important to know when to stop and be content. I hope I know - coming here all the time doesn't exactly help, does it?

[PDE]

I'd recommend keep it when you are satisfy with it because chances that you won't get another screen like this, could be worse, e.g. pixel issues you know.

I had gone through many CD and Napa C2D exchanges in the past for the same reason, only had I gone through more than 10 machines to find out one Napa C2D that had very minimal grain (very hard to see) and evenly lit panel.


I'm almost embarrassed to tell anybody how many 15" MBPs I've had since they came out last year, but I too counted 10 plus this last one! I'm not going to admit how many macbooks I had....

At least I'm not alone....

I'm very happy with this one - everything is perfect on it: no manufacturing/assembly flaws (cosmetically the most perfect one I've had), all functions working perfectly (sounds,mic, superdrive, all ports), heat is reasonable, no noises or squeaks and the display is many times better than any of the displays on the other ones, even with that slight yellow tint at the bottom. So it's a keeper. If this turns out to be a widespread issue and apple addresses it, I might have the display replaced later, but otherwise the displays is beautiful.

Perfection is always elusive with apple laptops. It's important to know when to stop and be content. I hope I know - coming here all the time doesn't exactly help, does it?

[4np]

One on top half and one on the bottom. The white "Leopard" text look different isn't it?

This looks like a screenshot; not a photograph of the screen itself.

How can a screenshot be more yellow in the bottom part? If it indeed is this can never be the screen because it's in the screenshot itself (gpu?). But to be really honest I think it's all in your head... :)

[Alloye]

Perfection is always elusive with apple laptops. It's important to know when to stop and be content. I hope I know - coming here all the time doesn't exactly help, does it?

I think it has a lot do do with expectations. Most PC laptops I encounter are of what I would consider inferior quality, yet their owners seem perfectly satisfied with them. I guess most people don't examine things super critically and/or don't spend a bunch of time on forums verbalizing every little nit.

Of course, most people aren't obsessive Mac owners! ;)

[BrianMR]

I noticed it too, but it is heaven compared to the old ones, so I am happy.

See? I am not impossible to please! :rolleyes:

You surprised me with that post. Truly. ;)

[PDE]

I think it has a lot do do with expectations. Most PC laptops I encounter are of what I would consider inferior quality, yet their owners seem perfectly satisfied with them. I guess most people don't examine things super critically and/or don't spend a bunch of time on forums verbalizing every little nit.

Of course, most people aren't obsessive Mac owners! ;)

Aboslutely agree. I use macs because I love the OS, but also because of the wonderful minimalism of the design - it allows me to enjoy all the time I have to spend on the computer without flashing hard drive activity indicators, buttons everywhere and what not. But I also pay more for this privilege and demand/want great quality. I've been very disappointed with Apple quality as of late, but none of the machines I sent back arrived DOA or had serious functional issues. They mostly worked well, but had other quality problems: displays, sounds, heat, bulging metal etc. I expect better, but I also realise that most my PC friends would never even notice the smaller things that I notice....

Quite honestly, I showed the display to my girlfriend and asked her if she could see anything strange with it. She just looked at me like I'm crazy. I probably am.

[PDE]

You surprised me with that post. Truly. ;)

Yeah, surprised me too. : )

[BrianMR]

Note to those who are looking for this issue, perhaps by going into an Apple store: I can only notice it when the room is mostly dark and the majority of the light is coming from the screen itself.

I'm one of those people who is very sensitive to bad audio, but not that sensitive to gradient issues and such. So, cursed with buying expensive audio gear and maintaining FLAC files for one issue, but I can live with this screen issue easily.

The build quality on my MBP is amazing... no gaps, unevenness of keys, dead or stick pixels, or anything else I've seen others complain about. I'm keeping this unit.

[issic]

Quite honestly, I showed the display to my girlfriend and asked her if she could see anything strange with it. She just looked at me like I'm crazy. I probably am.

Well mine girlfriend noticed it as well, maybe cos we are both artists so we are pretty picky about color. But truly it's pissed me only in internet browsing and maybe finder, otherwise you will not see it. Maybe will get better with time. But I agree to get to worser one if I will change it.

To that picture you send. It's not a photograph of display - so different LCD will see it differently I just check it. On MBP generation 2.2 (look to sys info for model identifier) it's almost perfectly seamless, on this new MBP generation 3.1 there is a horizontal line in a green gradient. And you can't address the yellow tint...

god damn the yellow tint but the horrizontal line?

[narongwit12]

I am going to buy a 15 SR MBP very soon. It s going to my first Mac ever. However, before that, could anyone tell me that with yellowish and gradients issues you all have discussed, is it worth buying than the previoud generation MBP C2D? If it is worse than older one, i would consider buy MBP C2D ?

[Habusho]

This yellow tint is very obvious. Just pull up a neutral gray background and look at the last 20% of the screen on the bottom. It's got a pretty strong yellow tint to it. This is on a SR glossy screen. The funny thing is that this is a replacement my C2D MBP because of screen problems. I'm hoping that when my final replacement arrives (this one is a temporary one they let me purchase\return) it won't have this problem since it's not a glossy screen.

[PDE]

Well mine girlfriend noticed it as well, maybe cos we are both artists so we are pretty picky about color. But truly it's pissed me only in internet browsing and maybe finder, otherwise you will not see it. Maybe will get better with time. But I agree to get to worser one if I will change it.

To that picture you send. It's not a photograph of display - so different LCD will see it differently I just check it. On MBP generation 2.2 (look to sys info for model identifier) it's almost perfectly seamless, on this new MBP generation 3.1 there is a horizontal line in a green gradient. And you can't address the yellow tint...

god damn the yellow tint but the horrizontal line?


True - it's really only noticeable when browsing on the internet with pages that have large sections of solid white. Otherwise it's fine. I do wonder if this will be a more widespread issue or if it's just a few of them.

[PDE]

I am going to buy a 15 SR MBP very soon. It s going to my first Mac ever. However, before that, could anyone tell me that with yellowish and gradients issues you all have discussed, is it worth buying than the previoud generation MBP C2D? If it is worse than older one, i would consider buy MBP C2D ?

I my opinion, the current displays are infinitely better than the old ones. The old ones had uneven backlight, grain that made the display look like it had a layer of dust on it, and very poor viewing angles. The new ones are relatively evenly illuminated, have almost no graininess and seem to have slightly better viewing angles. THe yellowish tint at the bottom of the display is not nice, but to me it's preferable to all the problems of the old ones.

If you can, perhaps wait a month or so to see if this becomes a larger issue that Apple addresses.

[narongwit12]

Thank you so much for your suggestions. I dont think i can wait that long due to some inconvenience. Anyway, i will go to the store and see by myself whether it is acceptable for me or not.

[PDE]

Here are a few pictures where you can see the slightly brownish/yellowish bottom part of the display. I tried taking pictures of a white background but I can't seem to capture it. For some reason it's very hard to get a good pictures of this display -they all end up distorted in one way or another. I'm using a good distortion-free macro lens (Nikkor 60mm), but still can't seem to capture the look of the display.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/20070612-DSC_1395-1.jpg


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/20070612-DSC_1395-1.jpg

[Trepex]

is this the checkered pattern people have talked about? or is that some sort of test running or...?

[quik]

Mine is perfect, no bleeding, no dead pixel, no yellow-ish...

Lucky?

[PDE]

is this the checkered pattern people have talked about? or is that some sort of test running or...?

I'm not sure what it is - perhaps the anti-glare filter? The previous MBPs were also difficult to capture without getting that color prism pattern. It's not visible in anyway in real life.

Quik, have you calibrated your display? Before I calibrated mine the yellow was completely invisible.

[Trepex]

Mine is perfect, no bleeding, no dead pixel, no yellow-ish...

Lucky?

LUCKY! I'd kill to have no bleeding. I bet my bottom (and top) dollar that there is no way to calibrate a screen bleed into disappearing :P

My GF's is the same as you describe. No yellow at all.

[PDE]

LUCKY! I'd kill to have no bleeding. I bet my bottom (and top) dollar that there is no way to calibrate a screen bleed into disappearing :P

My GF's is the same as you describe. No yellow at all.


Trepex, I don't want to cause trouble, but has your girlfriend calibrated her display? I just switched to ColorLCD profile and the yellow kind of disappears because whites on the rest of the display look less white and slightly more cream.After a few minutes, your eyes get used to it and adjust so that it seems quite white even if it's off.

Once calibrated so that the top 3 quarters of the display are crispy white, however, the lower part looks yellowish.

[powerocool]

This looks like a screenshot; not a photograph of the screen itself.

How can a screenshot be more yellow in the bottom part? If it indeed is this can never be the screen because it's in the screenshot itself (gpu?). But to be really honest I think it's all in your head... :)

Sorry I didn't make it clear. It's just a screenshot showing how you can reproduce the problem on your screen. It does NOT show the problem obviously. I accidentally left my camera in gf's purse :mad: ... I'll try to take pictures once my camera is back.

[Trepex]

Trepex, I don't want to cause trouble, but has your girlfriend calibrated her display? I just switched to ColorLCD profile and the yellow kind of disappears because whites on the rest of the display look less white and slightly more cream.After a few minutes, your eyes get used to it and adjust so that it seems quite white even if it's off.

Once calibrated so that the top 3 quarters of the display are crispy white, however, the lower part looks yellowish.

No trouble. I can take pictures tonight when I take them of my own, to compare. We tried examining the screen from all angles with a white screen up and it looked very very good. She only had it out of the box for 2 hours last night so definitely didn't do any video calibrating while we were playing around with it.

I have soccer tonight but I'll do what I can to get some quick pics taken.

[issic]

The problem with taking pictures of monitor is interference. The thin lines of pixels at monitor interfering with pattern on CCD chip of camera. The lines will interfere to each other, that's the wierd pattern.;)
I wanted to take pictures of mine as well but I don't think its possible to do it crystal visible, maybe just a big detail will do it.:cool:

I'm also wondering if it's first generation fault or it's just bad shipment from factory. When I was buying it the :apple: guy told me "first you will see this yellowish picture, but will go fine" so maybe they are aware of it. And:apple: they count that normal user without comparison can't see it cos eyes will accommodate to anything (as yellow light of bulb appearing to you white every day-night:rolleyes: )

So please keep testing :-)

[dartzorichalcos]

I recommend the color icc calibration file from this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=311587&highlight=Getting+the+Green+out+of+LED+MacBook+Pros) thread.
NOTE: it's located at the middle of the page.

[issic]

I recommend the color icc calibration file from this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=311587&highlight=Getting+the+Green+out+of+LED+MacBook+Pros) thread.
NOTE: it's located at the middle of the page.

Thanks for that, but the whole picture goes purple, that's showing that each display needs to be calibrated individually. This doesnt help, going to apple store for replacement, hope they are restocked and will not get flicker or popup trackpad or worser yellowish tint.

[dartzorichalcos]

Thanks for that, but the whole picture goes purple,
Well, you just got to get used to it. I think it's pretty good. When you get used to it, everything will look normal.

[issic]

Well, you just got to get used to it. I think it's pretty good. When you get used to it, everything will look normal.

Then the whole discussion loosing it's point if you don't care if your picture is green, purple, yellow or bluish, then if you do some serious work you off-set and you drifting....common it's 2700$ machine i don't want miracles and be precise in color, i want STANDARD!

[PDE]

Then the whole discussion loosing it's point if you don't care if your picture is green, purple, yellow or bluish, then if you do some serious work you off-set and you drifting....common it's 2700$ machine i don't want miracles and be precise in color, i want STANDARD!

I don't know if I'm imagining things, or if it's because I've become aware of it now, but I feel my displays is more yellow now that when first got it. When I first got it, I was struck by how white whites were and gorgeous the displays was. Now all whites have a yellowish/off-white tint and none of the whites ever look crisp like before...

Could it be that its getting more yellow? Or am I just imagining it?

[Andrew07]

hahah how could you not be sure??? mine is also a bit like that, and its darker towards the left side of the screen than compared to the right. it doesnt really bother me tho i spose. not gonna let a little light (or lack of it) get in my way!!

Mine's like this too! It's a little noticeable on the default blue Apple background, but when switching to any of the Nature ones I can hardly tell. I'm not doing any photo editing so no biggie for me at all! It seems a lot of people have been complaining, but I'm very happy with my purchase. The battery seems to last A LOT LOT longer than I thought it would...I'm actually getting antsy trying to drain the battery to calibrate it

[DoFoT9]

Mine's like this too! It's a little noticeable on the default blue Apple background, but when switching to any of the Nature ones I can hardly tell. I'm not doing any photo editing so no biggie for me at all! It seems a lot of people have been complaining, but I'm very happy with my purchase. The battery seems to last A LOT LOT longer than I thought it would...I'm actually getting antsy trying to drain the battery to calibrate it

yeap im really happy with my purchase aswell. its the best computer ive ever had, easily!! my battery is getting pretty old now, im planning to take it back to get a replacelemt because it blacks out occasionally on 30%. the screen issue doesnt really bother me, only when i have the brightness turned right down can i notice it.

[issic]

Well, so I went to Apple Shop and give a try for another model and it's issue of all models as i think. It's just the new technology I believe version 4 in October or December will be better, I'm dissapointed with LED right know but I believe in the feature. This is just not for me. So giving it back and hope for 17" old mercury tube HD model Santa Rosa. But if the shipping is more then week I will just get money back. And thanks for the whole people in local apple store, they really trying, hope we will solve it tmrw. Thanks ! :apple: rulez

[aliquis-]

So now the hard part,

so if there is a flicker issue as posted on several forums

and

now it's this uneven yellowish tint on different places of display (mine bottom, somebody's side)

so if I will go to Apple Store and replace this unit, for sure I will get the flicker one, then another yelowish and so on and on and on...

As I work mainly for colorgrading this is a issue for me (and yeah I should buy a Cinemadisplay and I will but...) in field work I need to get a good performing display!

So change or wait till last moment? (BTW How is it? You can return it or change it in month after purchase, so if I will pick new one will it automat. extend the month period? Or this issues are covered by 1 year warranty...Isn't it just the crappy viewing angles which gives you these problems? That is you look at the bottom of the screen at another angle. Do you have this issue at the bottom if you lower your head?

Regarding the cinema displays isn't dells display a better choice? Much cheaper here, and if you are going to pay as much as you have to for a cinema display why not get one of necs instead? Over here their A-S-IPS display cost the same as the cinema display.

[aliquis-]

Well after the calibration the screen would look super purple when you move your head down and look up to the screen. Green when you move your head up and look down. And while looking at it straight on, top is a little purple, middle is white, bottom is a little green. It's just weird. I would take pictures but my camera isn't here at the moment.Sounds even more like an issue with the 120/110 degrees viewing angles.

[issic]

Isn't it just the crappy viewing angles which gives you these problems? That is you look at the bottom of the screen at another angle. Do you have this issue at the bottom if you lower your head?

Regarding the cinema displays isn't dells display a better choice? Much cheaper here, and if you are going to pay as much as you have to for a cinema display why not get one of necs instead? Over here their A-S-IPS display cost the same as the cinema display.

The viewing angle has something to do with it and definitely it's somehow effecting it, but I'm now sure that this 1st generation LED has 10-20% of bottom display covered in yellowish tint. I took my MBP with mercury LCD and the 'new" MBP with LED display and showed to several people around me, all of them didn't like the new one. There is a psychological issue with the yellow color as well, yellow will make everything appear dirty, it's habit we have, and unfortunately eyes can adapt to whole tinted picture, but when they have comparatives they will see the difference and that's case of this LED's. 1/4 is slightly yellowish then 3/4 you can notice it, I can and it annoying me.:mad:

But be cool :apple: guys I have trained eyes :cool: for that so I think for 60% of user, they will not notice anything for first time:D , especially in Apple Store - you can see sh** in the lighting they have there.:(

But definetly the LED technology is good in brightness, environment, dimming and battery life! Just NOT in color, viewing angle and neutrality.

[aliquis-]

Just NOT in color, viewing angle and neutrality.I would guess a good panel can be just as good with led backlightning as regular, but what do I know. Viewing angles are very surely a thing which has to do with this specific panel and not anything to do with the fact that it uses led for backlightning, but still what do I know :D

Is this on issue on all MBPs? Dare I order one? ;/

[PDE]

I would guess a good panel can be just as good with led backlightning as regular, but what do I know. Viewing angles are very surely a thing which has to do with this specific panel and not anything to do with the fact that it uses led for backlightning, but still what do I know :D

Is this on issue on all MBPs? Dare I order one? ;/


I'm going to go by the NYC 5th ave store today to check out the other and see if there is a yellow tint on all of them. Will let you know later.

[aliquis-]

I'm going to go by the NYC 5th ave store today to check out the other and see if there is a yellow tint on all of them. Will let you know later.Thanks, to bad one can't look at glossy and matte somewhere, I live in Sweden and here most towns are small so I don't even think we have any store which sells Apple machines here, much less an actually Apple store, even less one which has both glossy and matte ;/

[jjahshik32]

yea I have the same issue as well, and noticed it the first day I got it. I guess i'm not the only one, I wonder if this issue is affecting a small portion of people because I cant find much information on this or other threads with people complaining, well not very much. Try this too, in a dark room turn on your mbp to full brightness. Then tilt the mbp to where you can see the top of the edge where the back light is shining down. And to my surprise it is bright white and if you look at the bottom edge of the screen, under the dock, that edge with the backlight looks yellow. Are there two different lights top and bottom that are covering the backlight of the screen?? Anyone else notice this?? Also anyone here that has a all white and even balanced top to bottom screen that did an extensive testing. I know for sure its not because of the way your looking at the led screen, it does make a difference by tilting the screen back or sitting below the mbp because of the anti glare coat but either way the yellow tint is always there.

[HFU]

I'm going to go by the NYC 5th ave store today to check out the other and see if there is a yellow tint on all of them. Will let you know later.Please keep us posted. If this turn out to be a wide spread issue, then definitely we need to inform Apple about it.

But definetly the LED technology is good in brightness, environment, dimming and battery life! Just NOT in color, viewing angle and neutrality.I concurred. Even I do not prefer SR chipset that much over the Napa chipset, I'm quite pleased with LED brightness and evenly lit screen on the SR MBP. However, if the initial batch of LED panel got issues, you better inform Apple now so the SR (3.2) will get the fixed version.

[Illicit]

so is the general consensus and advice for new SRMBP owners to NOT calibrate their screen if the yellow mask is invisible?

[aliquis-]

Well, you just got to get used to it. I think it's pretty good. When you get used to it, everything will look normal.I could understand your reasoning for a $600 laptop, not on a $2000 one thought.

[PDE]

so is the general consensus and advice for new SRMBP owners to NOT calibrate their screen if the yellow mask is invisible?

The problem is if color accuracy is important to you, then you HAVE to calibrate your display....

For everyday usage - if you don't need accuracy - perhaps the best way is to use the default ColorLCD profile. But if you need better color accuracy or if you have an external monitor, you're going to want to calibrate it.

[aliquis-]

The problem is if color accuracy is important to you, then you HAVE to calibrate your display....

For everyday usage - if you don't need accuracy - perhaps the best way is to use the default ColorLCD profile. But if you need better color accuracy or if you have an external monitor, you're going to want to calibrate it.Can one calibrate both screens to different settings?

[matthews1492]

Last week I too had bought the new macbook pro only to get it home and discover the yellowish tint towards left and on the bottom. Fortunately the IR remote system wasn't working either so they let me return it to the apple store. I swapped it for a blackbook but now this screen is noticably brighter towards the bottom, but thats for another thread.

So yes, another recipient here of a yellow tinted macbook pro.

[avalys]

Can one calibrate both screens to different settings?
Yes.

I suppose I will just exchange mine and, if the next one has problems, just deal with it.

[issic]

So who's know where to write a official complain about this LED tint issue?

Should we start a page?

[jjahshik32]

I went to the apple store to get it exchanged, and the genius checked my gradients and told me there was a flaw so I went ahead and got the matte screen exchanged (I almost got the glossy one though but I liked the matte better). Any ways I'm at home and I can confirm that its 100% evenly lit and I dont see the yellow tint anymore and no back light bleeding, only barely about a mm on each bottom corner but other than that the screen is superb. Go and get it exchanged I think some of the screens just has that flaw. Also the mbp 15" led glossy that I saw on display had the yellow tint just as my first one, I checked and tested at the apple store for about an hour this morning and the led matte display next to this glossy one had no yellow tint so I went ahead and went home and came back and did the exchange. =D Now all is good!! and no dead pixels either very nice quality!!

[issic]

an hour this morning and the led matte display next to this glossy one had no yellow tint so I went ahead and went home and came back and did the exchange. =D Now all is good!! and no dead pixels either very nice quality!!

congrats! well I change it and this has issue as well so hope I can return it again and take cinemadisplay. Cinemadisplay LCD will stand for long time, my 3weeks old MBP will stand as well and around christmas there will be upgread for sure coming with leopard...;) and Cinemadisplay will still be handy :-)

[PDE]

Well, I went to the NYC 5th avenue store to check other macbook pros for yellow tint.

First, I have to say that Apple does its laptops a disservice with that lighting! Or maybe that's how they continue to cover up LCD problems. I wish they at least provided a darker area for those who want to truly scrutinize the displays.

Anyway, a few observations based on 5 units I looked at:

- They all are yellowish/warmish under the default ColorLCD profile.

- All the ones I saw, three matte and two glossy, were a little more yellowish at the bottom than at the top. I loaded the custom profile somebody posted here, just to compare. With that loaded, the upper part of the displays showed white whites that became lightly yellow tinted whites as I moved them toward the bottom of the display.

- interestingly, I noticed a certain graininess on one of the glossy ones - not as bad as it used to be, but still more so than the matte units.

- Two of the displays had visibly uneven illumination, though not as bad as some of the previous models.

I struggled with the lighting so the above is what I could make out after looking for a while and trying to compare different profiles to find the common denominator. The yellow tint seems common.


So, I don't know where this leaves us....



Oh, and checked out one of the new 17" MBPs. It had the worst case of uneven backlighting i have seen. The middle lower part was super bright and the rest was much darker. Somebody described it as a spotlight and that's how it looked. Awful.

[DHagan4755]

OK, so far the reported problems are:

1. Yellow cast on lower third
2. Flickering LCD
3. Hiss/crackling/random screeching noises in audio from headphone jack

Not good...

The high res display has much more even illumination than the standard res 17" from my observations.

[jjahshik32]

hey issic, instead of a Apple Cinema Display why not get a new samsung led display. Its a bit pricey but still a bit cheaper than the 2.4ghz mbp! And its pure Led better than the mbp with the RGB backlit where its so vibrant it'll burn your eyes with eye candy =D. The new mbp led screen looks so much better than my 23" cinema display that I bought a few months back. Now I want a Samsung xl23 or xl20" =D

[AbsenceOfTruth]

I got the new MBP LED as well 2 days after it came out. When I first booted it up I noticed the bottom 10% of the screen with a yellowish tint to it. It doesn't bother me at all nor do I notice it unless I really look at it only in white. I wonder if this will go away after time though... or if there is anyway to calibrate the screen?

Anyways I love the new MacBook Pro!!! :D

[AbsenceOfTruth]

Also what display profile do you guys use??? Do you use the default one with calibrating it? I'm currently using the Color LCD one...

[iW00t]

How does your machine fare using my profile?

http://notfud.com/dropbox/Monitor%20Profile.icc

[jonnynocash]

How does your machine fare using my profile?

http://notfud.com/dropbox/Monitor%20Profile.icc

Thanks for this. How does one load this exactly?

[CV4]

Does it get any worse than the picture on the second page?

Cause that really doesn't even bother me. I guess I am just not that picky....yet.

[Wallace86]

I'm almost embarrassed to tell anybody how many 15" MBPs I've had since they came out last year, but I too counted 10 plus this last one! I'm not going to admit how many macbooks I had....

At least I'm not alone....

I'm very happy with this one - everything is perfect on it: no manufacturing/assembly flaws (cosmetically the most perfect one I've had), all functions working perfectly (sounds,mic, superdrive, all ports), heat is reasonable, no noises or squeaks and the display is many times better than any of the displays on the other ones, even with that slight yellow tint at the bottom. So it's a keeper. If this turns out to be a widespread issue and apple addresses it, I might have the display replaced later, but otherwise the displays is beautiful.

Perfection is always elusive with apple laptops. It's important to know when to stop and be content. I hope I know - coming here all the time doesn't exactly help, does it?

you went through 10 MBP's?? Do they just take them back with no problems? Do you do this in the apple store or by mail? at least they were willing to exchange for you.

[Dark Goob]

You guys are all TARDS. Apple makes all their laptops in China. Get a CRT external display and quit whining! What do you expect, Apple is going to put decent parts in their computers? They don't give a crap about their computers anymore. As long as they keep selling songs and pods they are happy. The new OS is a joke. Did you see it? It's not even half the interface OS 9 was. Where's the control strip? I've been waiting since 10.0 for a damn control strip!!! And pop-up folders!! And a desktop with columns that space correctly, and filenames that truncate correctly, and open/save dialogs that remember where you were the last time, and WYSIWYG, &C. AD NAUSEUM! Give me a break. Now they're putting crappy LCD's on the $2500 computers that they hype beforehand as such a great technology, meanwhile it's not even a 64-bit 'top. Well, you got to pony up for the top-of-the-line 17" to get the good screen, man. That's just the way it is, get over it! Just like with the iMacs: the only one with a decent display is the 24". The rest are grainy, sparkly peices of S#$.

-=DG=-

[otispunkmeyer]

wont this yellow tint go away with time?

im not sure how they make white LED's but i think they used to be pumped up blue diodes that were so bright they looked white.

is it possible that over time they might settle down? perhaps to a more blue-ish hue?

[otispunkmeyer]

You guys are all TARDS. Apple makes all their laptops in China. Get a CRT external display and quit whining! What do you expect, Apple is going to put decent parts in their computers? They don't give a crap about their computers anymore. As long as they keep selling songs and pods they are happy. The new OS is a joke. Did you see it? It's not even half the interface OS 9 was. Where's the control strip? I've been waiting since 10.0 for a damn control strip!!! And pop-up folders!! And a desktop with columns that space correctly, and filenames that truncate correctly, and open/save dialogs that remember where you were the last time, and WYSIWYG, &C. AD NAUSEUM! Give me a break. Now they're putting crappy LCD's on the $2500 computers that they hype beforehand as such a great technology, meanwhile it's not even a 64-bit 'top. Well, you got to pony up for the top-of-the-line 17" to get the good screen, man. That's just the way it is, get over it! Just like with the iMacs: the only one with a decent display is the 24". The rest are grainy, sparkly peices of S#$.

-=DG=-

i see what your getting at, given my experience with shipping so far it appears apple really get on with doing things a cheaply as possible....and then charging the earth. they must make huge profits on computers

the computers are at least 64bit (conroe/merom are 64bit capable) but the OS isnt, your right

the screens is an annoyance, but you are correct, thats the way it is. all laptop panels are rubbishy 6bit TN's poor colours and poor viewing angles. any pro worth his salt wouldnt think twce about using a display like that for anything other than recreational use.

it is shocking that such displays end up in pro products, but there is really no other choice. if you have any kind of inkling for quality visuals you'll have a proper external display, preferably a big CRT (though 8bit LCD's would be ok) that is calibrated properly

[dartzorichalcos]

meanwhile it's not even a 64-bit 'top. -
The MacBook Pro uses an Intel Core 2 Duo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2) processor which is 64-bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit).

[iW00t]

i see what your getting at, given my experience with shipping so far it appears apple really get on with doing things a cheaply as possible....and then charging the earth. they must make huge profits on computers

the computers are at least 64bit (conroe/merom are 64bit capable) but the OS isnt, your right

the screens is an annoyance, but you are correct, thats the way it is. all laptop panels are rubbishy 6bit TN's poor colours and poor viewing angles. any pro worth his salt wouldnt think twce about using a display like that for anything other than recreational use.

it is shocking that such displays end up in pro products, but there is really no other choice. if you have any kind of inkling for quality visuals you'll have a proper external display, preferably a big CRT (though 8bit LCD's would be ok) that is calibrated properly

What are you guys talking about? These screens are awesome!

iW00t™

[PDE]

you went through 10 MBP's?? Do they just take them back with no problems? Do you do this in the apple store or by mail? at least they were willing to exchange for you.

I bought them from amazon and at the apple store. They were either returned for replacements or refunds. yes, the apple store kept taking them back, though once or twice I had to speak with a manager to get it done. All in all, it was NOT an enjoyable experience and, if I can, I look forward to keeping this one for a long time!

[Erasmus]

You guys are all TARDS. Apple makes all their laptops in China. Get a CRT external display and quit whining! What do you expect, Apple is going to put decent parts in their computers? They don't give a crap about their computers anymore. As long as they keep selling songs and pods they are happy. The new OS is a joke. Did you see it? It's not even half the interface OS 9 was. Where's the control strip? I've been waiting since 10.0 for a damn control strip!!! And pop-up folders!! And a desktop with columns that space correctly, and filenames that truncate correctly, and open/save dialogs that remember where you were the last time, and WYSIWYG, &C. AD NAUSEUM! Give me a break. Now they're putting crappy LCD's on the $2500 computers that they hype beforehand as such a great technology, meanwhile it's not even a 64-bit 'top. Well, you got to pony up for the top-of-the-line 17" to get the good screen, man. That's just the way it is, get over it! Just like with the iMacs: the only one with a decent display is the 24". The rest are grainy, sparkly peices of S#$.

-=DG=-

Stop trolling.

OS9 was crap. I hate OS9 every time I boot into it.
The LED screens on the 15" MBPs are apparently great. Better than CCFL. And I believe it, and can't wait to get one.

The idea that Apple use crappy parts in the MBP is laughable. If they didn't use good parts, they would still have CCFL backlit screens, and would still be running off the Napa platform, with the X1600. But they aren't. And they don't. They use good parts. These problems with the screen will all be gone in a few weeks once Apple identifies and remedies the cause.

On a side note, are we sure the screens are still 6 bit?

[seo2000]

I have the yellow tint on my screen whenever i look at it at another angle other than straight on. It was really irritating me and i'd i'd only had it about 12 hours, I'd been waiting all week for it to arrive. I rang apple this morning about it and they are sending me a replacement, hopefully that will be much better! If anyone is wanting to exchange it, they were really good about it on the phone and had no problems giving me a replacement straight away.

[Erasmus]

I have the yellow tint on my screen whenever i look at it at another angle other than straight on. It was really irritating me and i'd i'd only had it about 12 hours, I'd been waiting all week for it to arrive. I rang apple this morning about it and they are sending me a replacement, hopefully that will be much better! If anyone is wanting to exchange it, they were really good about it on the phone and had no problems giving me a replacement straight away.

See? Problem solved.
It seems all that half the people on this forum do is bitch about how their new computer isn't perfect, and how they should have bought a Dell. The reality is that Apple is more than willing to replace units that have legitimate issues, such as inconsistent colour. People need to get it replaced, and then get over it, and stop whining.

Whoa. I feel better already.

[iW00t]

On a side note, are we sure the screens are still 6 bit?

Yes

[Erasmus]

Yes

Proof? :)

Oh well, you can't have everything. Can you even tell the difference between an 8 bit screen and a 6 bit dithered screen?

[L3X]

I have the yellow tint on my screen whenever i look at it at another angle other than straight on. It was really irritating me and i'd i'd only had it about 12 hours, I'd been waiting all week for it to arrive. I rang apple this morning about it and they are sending me a replacement, hopefully that will be much better! If anyone is wanting to exchange it, they were really good about it on the phone and had no problems giving me a replacement straight away.
It seems as though Apple knows about the problem, and I'm sure they're working on fixing it. Everyone should call them and get a replacement so they know it's affected about half of the SR MBPs.

[PDE]

See? Problem solved.
It seems all that half the people on this forum do is bitch about how their new computer isn't perfect, and how they should have bought a Dell. The reality is that Apple is more than willing to replace units that have legitimate issues, such as inconsistent colour. People need to get it replaced, and then get over it, and stop whining.

Whoa. I feel better already.

yes, apple is willing to replace, but that doesn't mean that the replacement will be different. Apple replaced many for me (and also tried replacing LCDs), but, because they didn't have any themselves, they never were able to get me a screen with even backlight and no grain.

In any case, this yellow tint thing is not as big as it's made out to be. Seriously - it's only an issue under certain circumstances. The screen is still beautiful, bright, grainless and even illuminated.

[JFreak]

Can you even tell the difference between an 8 bit screen and a 6 bit dithered screen?

Yes. For darker colors, it's very noticeable. Ask anyone who prepares images for print — there's no way such job can be done with a 6bit display. One really *needs* a good S-IPS panel for the job.

[Erasmus]

Yes. For darker colors, it's very noticeable. Ask anyone who prepares images for print — there's no way such job can be done with a 6bit display. One really *needs* a good S-IPS panel for the job.

So, basically, if you intend to do professional graphics and photo work, it will piss you off, so get an external monitor, but if you're programming, using Cad, games and various other normal "civilian" things such as word processing, internet, music and watching DVDs you'd never notice?

And by noticeable, do you mean the colours will look different on the 6 bit dithered screen when compared to a 8, 10 or 12 bit screen, or that you can actually see the colours rapidly switching back and forth?

[dartzorichalcos]

Are the Cinema Displays 8-bit or 10-bit even? I didn't see this on Apple's Cinema Displays specifications.

[DHagan4755]

so they know it's affected about half of the SR MBPs.
Really? Where did you get that info?

I am looking at a 2.2GHz MacBook Pro that a co-worker got their college-bound son. He wanted me to set it up. I have been using it for an hour. I'm in an office with regular lamps; no fluorescent lighting. I don't see any yellow tint or cast straight on. From the side, maybe it's a yellow cast...I cannot tell for sure. Edit: I think I see it but is it strong? No. To me it just looks like a typical laptop LCD when you're looking from the side. I should note that the display has a warmer presentation.

I cannot discern any flicker when reducing the display brightness.

The right ambient sensor is very sensitive and automatically dims the screen when you move your hand near it!

I have not tested for the supposed audio noise coming from the headphone jack as I don't have a pair of headphones to try this out on.

I don't think the display is bad...I am not use to the 15.4" size having used a 17" PowerBook all these years. I suppose I could adjust! :D

The thing sure is bright!

[snowboarder]

And by noticeable, do you mean the colours will look different on the 6 bit dithered screen when compared
to a 8, 10 or 12 bit screen, or that you can actually see the colours rapidly switching back and forth?

All LCD displays right now are 8-bit (except the ones used in the laptops
which are 6-bit of course). There is no "10 or 12 bit screens" yet.
Even top of the line LCDs like Eizo CG221 offer 12-bit hardware color
calibration, but the display is 8-bit. I'm testing a broadcast HD $20.000
LCD display at work right now and it's still 8-bit. What's coming up at
the end of 2007 will change it, there are several new 10-bit models coming.
We just have to wait. There is a strange situation now, the companies stopped
selling CRT monitors and can't deliver anything which would replace it.
Try to order a broadcast monitor from Sony for example...
As far as the yellow tint, I think it's a result of cheap LED technology,
obviously LEDs are only on the edges of the screen and some variations
of brightness may occur. Or the bottom edge is built different way...
Higher range of LED displays will have them proportionally positioned
through the entire space of the screen, but they are not as thin as the laptop
displays... They are also often RGB LEDs which are far superior to
white LEDs...

[snowboarder]

Are the Cinema Displays 8-bit or 10-bit even? I didn't see this on Apple's Cinema Displays specifications.

8-bit. Apple is very careful not to advertise too many details
about stuff like that... They just introduced "Color" - a "professional color
grading application" and their monitors are a joke...
Apple won't even tell you the gamut of their Cinema displays, I think
they don't know :-)

[Erasmus]

All LCD displays right now are 8-bit (except the ones used in the laptops
which are 6-bit of course). There is no "10 or 12 bit screens" yet.
Even top of the line LCDs like Eizo CG221 offer 12-bit hardware color
calibration, but the display is 8-bit. I'm testing a broadcast HD $20.000
LCD display at work right now and it's still 8-bit. What's coming up at
the end of 2007 will change it, there are several new 10-bit models coming.
We just have to wait. There is a strange situation now, the companies stopped
selling CRT monitors and can't deliver anything which would replace it.
Try to order a broadcast monitor from Sony for example...
As far as the yellow tint, I think it's a result of cheap LED technology,
obviously LEDs are only on the edges of the screen and some variations
of brightness may occur. Or the bottom edge is built different way...
Higher range of LED displays will have them proportionally positioned
through the entire space of the screen, but they are not as thin as the laptop
displays... They are also often RGB LEDs which are far superior to
white LEDs...

Oh, OK. I'm sure I remember last time the 6-bit point came up people claimed that 10 and 12 bit screens existed, but I don't really care, and it won't affect me either way, so whatever.

Are you sure that there are only LEDs around the screen? How do they then get the light to the middle at the same intensity as the outside? I would have thought they would just use a few thousand or more led diodes printed straight onto a PCB behind the LCD sheet. Shouldn't be too expensive to make, and should not be at all thick or heavy...

Does anyone know if Apple uses 3 colour LEDs, or just lots of white ones? If the display seems to be more "warm" than normal, wouldn't that suggest 3 colours, because assuming they are the same, every white LED I've ever seen has been quite bluish. I suppose I shouldn't base predictions on looking at crappy LEDs used in torches and outdoor solar lights, but whatever.

So how is light moved from the outside of the screen to the centre?

[avalys]

In any case, this yellow tint thing is not as big as it's made out to be. Seriously - it's only an issue under certain circumstances. The screen is still beautiful, bright, grainless and even illuminated.
I don't know, it drives me nuts. Every time I open up an app with a lot of white space near the bottom of the screen (Mail, Safari and google.com, this site, etc.), it looks like someone pissed on my screen.

I hope the replacement is better. It really is inexcusable of Apple to sell products at such a premium price with all these quality issues.

[aristobrat]

It really is inexcusable of Apple to sell products at such a premium price with all these quality issues.
The quality issues with some of Apple's premium price models has been consistent for so many years now that your quote is pretty much cliche.

Just focusing on screen issues, remember the PowerBook screens with the white spot in the middle? Or the "hi-res" PowerBook screens that had the horizontal banding issue? Or the G4 17" screens that are dying now? Or the first MacBook Pro screens that had the uneven lighting and hissed? Or the updated MacBook Pro screens that were grainy?

[aliquis-]

Are the Cinema Displays 8-bit or 10-bit even? I didn't see this on Apple's Cinema Displays specifications.I think atleast earlier the 20" cinema display was the same panel as dell 2007wfp or whatever the name is, and that one is an s-ips (atleast that is what everyone gets) and that one is definitly 24 bit (and quite good.)

Nec got a-s-ips displays which doesn't cost more than the cinema displays thought. Viewsonic got a very cheap mva panel aswell.

I don't know if a non-apple display is ok for you thought? The Dell one has an ugly foot imho, but except that it looks nice, and it got plenty of inputs aswell. Just looked at the Nec aswell, the Apple one still looks better, if case is all you look at :D

[aliquis-]

All LCD displays right now are 8-bit (except the ones used in the laptops
which are 6-bit of course).All TN-panels aswell?

[G. I.]

The white LEDs used in cheap laptop TFT screens actually blue ones in yellow phosphor packages to emit ~6500K (daylight) color temperature. So if-as someone described it-there's one row of LEDs at the screen top and one at the bottom, maybe the bottom LED row emit more yellowish color than the top one. To exclude some viewing angle factors, maybe someone who has an x.rite Eye One or Monaco Optix calibrator could measure the color temperature of the bottom and the top 1/3 of the screen, I think both calibrators have a measuring function...

Btw, it's a sad trend that all laptop manufacturers use these cheap ass TN-paneled 262K color TFT screens. The last really good notebook screen was the Thinkpad T60 Flexview TFT, IPS panel, fantastic viewing angle and good backlighting (although not so bright that the current ones). Unfortunately Lenovo has stopped to use it, sells the same TN panels like everyone else.

[PDE]

The white LEDs used in cheap laptop TFT screens actually blue ones in yellow phosphor packages to emit ~6500K (daylight) color temperature. So if-as someone described it-there's one row of LEDs at the screen top and one at the bottom, maybe the bottom LED row emit more yellowish color than the top one. To exclude some viewing angle factors, maybe someone who has an x.rite Eye One or Monaco Optix calibrator could measure the color temperature of the bottom and the top 1/3 of the screen, I think both calibrators have a measuring function...

Btw, it's a sad trend that all laptop manufacturers use these cheap ass TN-paneled 262K color TFT screens. The last really good notebook screen was the Thinkpad T60 Flexview TFT, IPS panel, fantastic viewing angle and good backlighting (although not so bright that the current ones). Unfortunately Lenovo has stopped to use it, sells the same TN panels like everyone else.


Yes, measuring would be a great idea - that would clearly show the difference. It would also be good to measure brightness between different areas since that too can affect how colors are perceived.It may be that part of the problem is that the displays are darker at the bottom and that whites therefore get a warmer, yellow/brown cast when displayed there. One of the first MBPs I had displayed a brownish upper right corner which I attributed to uneven illumination - but, unlike the present problem, it was more brown than yellow.


Yes, the flexview screen was the best but, as you said, not as bright. The masses like brightness more than accuracy and viewing angles. Sad that they discontinued it - as I recall, it was an option rather than standard, so perhaps it just wasn't selling well? I'd love to see better viewing angles on all laptops - that was the only one that had truly great viewing angles and now it's gone.

[issic]

So I solved mine by buying ACD 23" 1980x1200 and keeping my "old" laptop. Sending information about this issue thru local Apple Shop to higher places, cos i'm sure what I see. And it's some kind of manufacturing defect. They can be two possible explanations why somebody sees it and somebody don't. Either there is two differently assembled shipments one with "different" bottom LED's or the people r colorblind or just can't notice due no training (i bet my underwear that those people picture on television looks like **** and they r not bothered anyway - which is normal, dont understand me wrongly, im the freak here and i'm happy about it::cool: )

So good luck to new owners of MBP SR. I will go for the next gen - christmas present...:)

[CoachKrzyzewski]

So does every single new macbook pro exhibit the yellow problem? Or is it just an unusually common factory defect? I'm considering getting one for school next year and if it's a problem with the manufacturing and all new macbook pros have the yellow tint I'm gonna wait it out.

[jonnos]

i was planning on getting it in the next couple of months but now i think ill wait till leopard (hoping new rev comes out). from avg how long does it take for a new revision to come out. and when will we know or find out?

[drj434343]

I'm considering an SR purchase, and after the horizontal screen line fiasco in my last generation Powerbook G4, I'm conscious of problems that crop up in these forums. I consider myself a perfectionist when it comes to product standards I have for Apple. Case in point, the horizontal lines in my PB annoyed the hell out of me and I fought tooth and nail for months to get a proper replacement.

I went to my local Apple store yesterday to test the validity of the yellow cast on the lower portion. Disclaimer: I'm not a professional photographer and I don't own a device to color calibrate my screen. I am very anal about my screens, but only to the limits of my naked eye. I looked at 5 of the new SR MBP's, three matte and 2 glossy. I scrutinized each one from various angles, and tried every single color profile installed on every machine. I also tried various background colors, including white, to test edge to edge color.

Conclusion: I believe I can see what you guys are talking about, but only just barely. To me, it is so slight, that if I hadn't read about it here first, I would never have noticed. So slight, in fact, that I have no qualms about getting one myself.

If it bugs you, it bugs you, everyone has their own standards. However, to people reading this thread also considering SR, carefully consider your own screen standards and usage requirements before jumping to conclusions about the severity of this problem. Go check out some MBP screens for yourself and tell us what you think. I believe that unless you're someone with an unusually sensitive or discerning eye, you'll think these screens are fine.

[tobyg]

Conclusion: I believe I can see what you guys are talking about, but only just barely. To me, it is so slight, that if I hadn't read about it here first, I would never have noticed. So slight, in fact, that I have no qualms about getting one myself.

If it bugs you, it bugs you, everyone has their own standards. However, to people reading this thread also considering SR, carefully consider your own screen standards and usage requirements before jumping to conclusions about the severity of this problem. Go check out some MBP screens for yourself and tell us what you think. I believe that unless you're someone with an unusually sensitive or discerning eye, you'll think these screens are fine.

It didn't bug me until I stared at the screen for a while. Every time i'd look in different areas of the screen, sometimes it would be white, sometimes a little yellow. My eyes can handle uneven lighting much better than color changes like that. Initially I saw no issues with the screens when at the apple store, either. But after I got home and used it for a couple of days it drove me nuts. Now when I go to the apple store I can spot the yellowing instantly.

See how you like it after a few days. It's very likely most peoples eyes won't be as sensitive to the color shift. And when I say my eyes can't handle the color shift, it's probably not my eyes and all in my brain. My brain doesn't seem to like those color changes. But an uneven backlight doesn't bug me nearly as much. I'm sure uneven backlighting drives other people batty. So the people who say they don't see it, I'm guessing they just aren't as sensitive to it. And that's great, they've found a great notebook for them! But for others, if that's what your brain is sensitive to, these new LED screens as they are coming today in these current 15" Macbook Pro's may not be the best choice.

Enjoy.

[dusanv]

Well you can't see the lines on the OLD Mercury display, but you CAN see them on the new LED...isn't it strange?

Yeah I will propably do the same wait if something will happen...(firmware, update, common change?)

I can see the lines on the gradient test of my old PB. In fact, the gradient LCD test looks nearly identical (same imperfections) between the old PB and brand new MBP (slightly more banding on the red portion of MBP). That said, I really like my new MPB (but I am not a graphics artist although I used to work in the field).

[Roy Hobbs]

How do I run the gradient test??

[JFreak]

So, basically, if you intend to do professional graphics and photo work, it will piss you off, so get an external monitor, but if you're programming, using Cad, games and various other normal "civilian" things such as word processing, internet, music and watching DVDs you'd never notice?

Yes. If your work does not require color-accurate monitor, then I'm sure you won't notice or if you do, you don't care.

And by noticeable, do you mean the colours will look different on the 6 bit dithered screen when compared to a 8, 10 or 12 bit screen, or that you can actually see the colours rapidly switching back and forth?

By definition, if a monitor is not colour accurate, then the colours will look different. The difference will however not be dramatic, it's just that the colors either *are* accurate (thus enabling you to trust to what you see) or they are *not* accurate (thus forcing your workflow into a trial-and-error which is just stupid waste of time).

Ideally, you should do your work and get 100% matching print once you're ready. In the real world, monitors are not perfect but some of us need to have such a monitor that operates as close to ideal as possible. That's a whole purpose of SWOP certification for example.

[Wallace86]

I don't know, it drives me nuts. Every time I open up an app with a lot of white space near the bottom of the screen (Mail, Safari and google.com, this site, etc.), it looks like someone pissed on my screen.

I hope the replacement is better. It really is inexcusable of Apple to sell products at such a premium price with all these quality issues.

Exactly....imagine trying to drink Mt. Dew and use your MBP at the same time!!

[jamesybsu]

I am getting ready to get the new MBP 15" and I have seen people say the LED's have a yellow tint to them. Is it really that noticible or what. I haven't heard a lot of complaints but I was just unsure how bad it actually is.

[mags631]

I am getting ready to get the new MBP 15" and I have seen people say the LED's have a yellow tint to them. Is it really that noticible or what. I haven't heard a lot of complaints but I was just unsure how bad it actually is.

My color profile was a little off when it came. Someone has posted to this forum a new color profile that made the colors look better (for me).

The LED screen is awesome... I would not worry.

[Daveway]

I have a 2.2 glossy and I cannot find the yellow tint on my display. That's not to say there aren't a few things that bother me.

I noticed some color banding while activating Front Row. No big deal at all, I really couldn't careless about that at this point.

I noticed there is an allusion of vertical banding whenever I get about 16" from the screen and shake my head (like saying "no".) Not that bothersome as I'm usually not shaking my head at the computer, but I do notice it every so often.

Other than that the display is amazing. I love the glossy screen and am glad I chose it. i can actually use the computer outside and glare is not an issue. The brightness is enough to burn out a cornea.:)

[funkshun]

If you need a color management system, get an high-end external monitor.

If not, try the gretag color profiler, that can help.

I won't count on my macbookpro screen for accurate color profiling, ill use my external lacie 321 for fine-art photography and design work.

Gretag
http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/

[issic]

So some correction and debrief to this problem:

1) it's individual color perception matter, somebody is sensitive someone not, as somebody said so here, that's very true. Contraindicate to this, I strongly believe, it has to do something with technological *fill yourself* of these LED displays. They need to be cheap, its brand new, so the technology can have bugs and has it! the yellow tint. If it is made by viewing angle sensitivity or LED differences I don't know, but I see it and it's annoying.

2) "go and look at Apple Store" - I believe you CAN'T see it properly in Apple Store due to amount of lighting overall from all directions they have there! If you know what you looking for you will see it, but don't forget you in shop, it's not so relaxing and calm as in home so there is lots of distraction as other costumers, feeling of rush you have in shops, so you need to do it quickly. It took me 20 minutes to show genius technician where to look at. I believe if you will sit in the corner at the shop and start doing ordinary work you will notice it. For sure when you will be in your room or bed in darker environment you will notice.

3) "Gradient" - my apologies, I figure it out that the Gradient test is heavily dependent on Color Calibration, check it yourself....no bending if you use standard preinstalled icc - factory settings - that shows that the monitor is calibrated for that. But the default calibration usually looks like sh**! So after you will calibrated it will show some lines. So I think default Calibration is made to cover fact it's just 6bit LCD :)

4) I showed side by side MBP C2D and MBP SR to my friends. 5 of 5 said they like more the crisper and not yellowed MBP C2D. Even a little 5 years old kid was pointing on commercial about Nemo saying that picture on MBP C2D is real Nemo and the other (MBP SR) is fake :) :p - i know doesn't proof enything

5) I'm just posting my opinion and I recommend everybody to go and see it yourself. I'm just showing you what can be wrong, it's not bothering you? Fine! Lucky you go and buy it other than that is perfect machine and even better if you going from iBook, Powerbook or other older machine.

If you have generation 2.2 of Macbook pro...?! Here is over advantages against ver 2.2:

+ LED LCD Power consumption gives you up to 5 hours of work in field compare to 3.5h?!
+ Santa Rosa chipset
+ small increase in speed from 2.33 to 2.4
+ ability to put 4Gb of memory
+ slightly larger HDD
+ as I noticed better battery management (showing charging, charged etc..)
+ disputable better graphic card (it's 5% of increase performance worth it?)
+ display PROBABLY will not be aging
+ slightly cooler running: 1-5C cooler?!

minus:
- LED Color reproduction is just not for me
- Viewing Angle

What I'm expecting from overpriced brand-icon priced laptop, used mostly in film/video/graphics/music, that will do what is worth it 2500$.

So and if you interested why i'm so picky and what kind of background i have to say such results you welcomed to see me and something about me (http://www.martinpreiss.cz/?page_id=2). :)

[PDE]

here are a few pictures posted by somebody on flickr that show the yellow cast compared to a macbook. That is the default colorsync profile I believe:

http://flickr.com/photos/nikogu/544693237/

http://flickr.com/photos/nikogu/544575070/

[Dark Goob]

Stop trolling.

OS9 was crap. I hate OS9 every time I boot into it.
The LED screens on the 15" MBPs are apparently great. Better than CCFL. And I believe it, and can't wait to get one.

The idea that Apple use crappy parts in the MBP is laughable. If they didn't use good parts, they would still have CCFL backlit screens, and would still be running off the Napa platform, with the X1600. But they aren't. And they don't. They use good parts. These problems with the screen will all be gone in a few weeks once Apple identifies and remedies the cause.

On a side note, are we sure the screens are still 6 bit?

I'm not trolling, I'm being semi-sarcastic. But there are a lot of OS 9 elements that were nice, which they abandoned, and there are a lot of interface behaviors in OS X which are not consistent. Like Open/Save dialogs not remembering the last place you opened or saved to, or the way the columns were sorted the last time, etc.

Also, I would rather have a CCFL backlit screen than one with a yellow bar on the bottom. If I pay $2500 for a laptop the screen had better be perfect!

I mean, I can get a PC laptop for half that which has a fine screen. I was at the store yesterday and they had an HP laptop for $599 that had a screen with more even colors than my MBP screen. That's unacceptable.

Yes I know I use a CRT for my real important color-matching, but the built-in LCD ought to be evenly backlit. No yellow corners. Sorry.

(NOTE -- Apparently apple agrees with me as they are replacing my screen.)

-=DG=-

[iW00t]

here are a few pictures posted by somebody on flickr that show the yellow cast compared to a macbook. That is the default colorsync profile I believe:

http://flickr.com/photos/nikogu/544693237/

http://flickr.com/photos/nikogu/544575070/

My 2080UX which is calibrated to native white balance is pretty much the same too. In fact I prefer to have that colour cast because of my usage patterns. Come on guys, be realistic. It is not just this particular panel.

[PDE]

I'm very happy with the display. I'd just like to have control over what 'tint' it has rather than one being assigned to me. I'd especially like control over the tint of each display quadrant....

Seriously, I absolutely LOVE my new computer and was merely showing links to pictures of the yellow tint phenomenon so that those who haven't seen it can see what the discussion is all about.

[aliquis-]

here are a few pictures posted by somebody on flickr that show the yellow cast compared to a macbook. That is the default colorsync profile I believe:

http://flickr.com/photos/nikogu/544693237/

http://flickr.com/photos/nikogu/544575070/Damn that Macbook looks sexy, to bad with the integrated graphics thought. The glossy display looks nice, and well, not yellow ;)

[aliquis-]

My 2080UX which is calibrated to native white balance is pretty much the same too. In fact I prefer to have that colour cast because of my usage patterns. Come on guys, be realistic. It is not just this particular panel.Well, when I'm used to higher color temp I would prefer that over lower, and when I'm used to a more normal color temp I would prefer that over the higher one most people use, but the issue here was that the color temp / color isn't the same over all the surface, which I (and probably you to if you had noticed it / it was on your laptop, which it obviously isn't) would find disturbing (if it's enough of it, I can't see the macbook pro irl since there are no store in my town who sells them, so I can't tell.)

[issic]

but the issue here was that the color temp / color isn't the same over all the surface,

exactly

[iW00t]

the issue here was that the color temp / color isn't the same over all the surface

Is there some software or something that works with the calibration devices which i can move around the screen to see if it is consistent?

Then again I still cannot see it, my whites look the same at the top as they are at the bottom.

[Roy Hobbs]

Is there some software or something that works with the calibration devices which i can move around the screen to see if it is consistent?

Then again I still cannot see it, my whites look the same at the top as they are at the bottom.

Me either I notice no "yellowness" on mine.

Crisp white is all I see. Whether using the default profile or the calibrated profile my Huey creates

[aliquis-]

Is there some software or something that works with the calibration devices which i can move around the screen to see if it is consistent?

Then again I still cannot see it, my whites look the same at the top as they are at the bottom.I have no idea, seemed like some people suggested that some calibration devices could measure color temp.

I'm on a 6-7 year old 17" dell trinitron where i use 1024x768 because 1280x1024 is annoying on my eyes after a while even thought it works at 85Hz so =P.

I might still order the MBP, the 128MB vram by default and eventually getting one with a screen I'm not happy with are worring me thought, but it will suck to wait one more time :/, also with my luck they probably have 128MB vram the next round to.

[iW00t]

Urgh, I should stop reading such threads, else I start looking for problems where I noticed none before. :rolleyes:

[PDE]

Urgh, I should stop reading such threads, else I start looking for problems where I noticed none before. :rolleyes:


Yes, me too, me too. It's hard not to get involved when you have new technology...oh well.


BTW, here's a review of a Sony notebook LED LCD. The review mentions warmer tones too so perhaps it's a characteristic of all LED displays?

"The measurement diagram depicts slightly lowered blue and green color curves, which let the colors appear warmer to the user."


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Sony-Vaio-VGN-TX5XN-Notebook.3747.0.html

[iW00t]

Yes, me too, me too. It's hard not to get involved when you have new technology...oh well.


BTW, here's a review of a Sony notebook LED LCD. The review mentions warmer tones too so perhaps it's a characteristic of all LED displays?

"The measurement diagram depicts slightly lowered blue and green color curves, which let the colors appear warmer to the user."


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Sony-Vaio-VGN-TX5XN-Notebook.3747.0.html

The Sony does seem to have great viewing angles though.

[CoachKrzyzewski]

i just got back from the apple store and.....


it looks AMAZING!!!!

the matte finish looked perfect and bright and incredible. The only problem I saw was with the glossy finished screen

[Macbie]

I just noticed this thread and what you guys are talking about right now, for my new MBP with glossy finished screen, when I look at the screen from top to the bottom there are no yellowish color what so ever just white, but how ever when I look from either left or the right side i can see the entire screen became yellowish so is that the problem or? maybe its just how the glossy finished looks like when I combined with the new LED screen?

[avalys]

The MBP I bought on Monday had a definite yellow cast over the bottom 1/3 of the screen, that was not due to viewing angle or any other factor. The screen lighting was just yellow, period.

Well, I just exchanged mine, and I can say the replacement has no problems. Absolutely beautiful screen.

[issic]

Is there some software or something that works with the calibration devices which i can move around the screen to see if it is consistent?
Then again I still cannot see it, my whites look the same at the top as they are at the bottom.

Well you can use this (http://www.pantone.com/pages/products/product.aspx?pid=95&ca=2) if somebody will borrow it to you...idoubt it

or you can borrow this (https://secure15.prohosting.com/~a0028094/minolta_color_meter.htm) if you will cover the sensor to smaller probe. propably should have it in every camera rental house, or just go there and borrow it for just there...but you need to be in dark room or has the instrument touching the display...it measure color temperature any tint it will go lower then D65

[Erasmus]

Perhaps a digital camera with the lens touching the screen so no extra light can get in can be used to take two pictures of a simple white background, one at the top, and one at the bottom, and then you can use something in Photoshop to analyse them?

[issic]

Perhaps a digital camera with the lens touching the screen so no extra light can get in can be used to take two pictures of a simple white background, one at the top, and one at the bottom, and then you can use something in Photoshop to analyse them?

Yeah but everything and especially whitebalance should be set to manual. THen in photoshop you can take the drop eye and check RGB values, but noise and CCD transfer and color variation of lens are in game......anyway it's good to try it, good point mate!

[Dark Goob]

Well I took my MBP to the Apple store. The Genius noted my issue with the screen and said he didn't want to exchange it for a new MBP, since a new one could have the same problem. So they are ordering me a new screen from Apple and will replace it when it comes in. And for good measure a new keyboard too, since I have a squeaky spacebar. And they will fix and replace the parts in the store, so I don't have to send it off for a long time.

Well once again Apple has proven their service to be impeccable. I'm a happy customer :D

-=DG=-

[SandmanTR]

Well I took my MBP to the Apple store. The Genius noted my issue with the screen and said he didn't want to exchange it for a new MBP, since a new one could have the same problem. So they are ordering me a new screen from Apple and will replace it when it comes in. And for good measure a new keyboard too, since I have a squeaky spacebar. And they will fix and replace the parts in the store, so I don't have to send it off for a long time.

Well once again Apple has proven their service to be impeccable. I'm a happy customer :D

-=DG=-

Did you have a new the MacBook Pro with the yellow hue problem? Did he struggle to see it or did he notice it immediately?

[powerocool]

I have the glossy MBP the day it came out, and I noticed it immediately since I have the old MBP sitting right next to it that's not perfect either but the icons in dock look a lot better. Since then I was trying to replace but unfortunately the glossy are always out of stock from my local apple stores. Now they don't even have the matte any more. I guess these are selling pretty well. I might just go with a matte screen next time if it means less color problems...

[rb1234]

Hi All,

I just got hold of a new Macbook Pro last week. It's a 15" LED SR version. So far I have not noticed any yellow tinges / discolouration on the screen although I probably have not been looking that hard. I can definitely see the difference on the flickr images which were mentioned above.

My question is, is this a hardware or software/profile issue ? If it's a pure software issue would Apple release a patch to fix this ? (ie a new default profile)

Rgds
Rick

[tobyg]

Hi All,

I just got hold of a new Macbook Pro last week. It's a 15" LED SR version. So far I have not noticed any yellow tinges / discolouration on the screen although I probably have not been looking that hard. I can definitely see the difference on the flickr images which were mentioned above.

My question is, is this a hardware or software/profile issue ? If it's a pure software issue would Apple release a patch to fix this ? (ie a new default profile)

Rgds
Rick

In the past I would say that no, this is definitely a hardware issue and not a software issue. However, I'm not as ignorant anymore and I've seen many 'hardware' issues actually fixed with software/firmware. It's up to you if you want to hold tight hoping for a software fix. The other hope is Apple admits the issue at a later date and offers to replace all of the displays on these notebooks if a software fix isn't available.

[Dark Goob]

About the "yellow" tint: if you look at the screen from the left or right, it's yellowish. But from an above angle, it's blue, and from below, it's greenish.

It just has to do with viewing angle. From straight on, other than the muddy corner (which they are replacing my screen for), it's fine.

BTW, I saw the 17" glossy regular resolution one (not the 1900x1200), and it looks like UTTER CRAP. The graininess was horrible, and you could see the scan rate! The 20" iMac and below are also terribly grainy, along with the 15" Glossy MBP.

However others of their systems look nice. The matte looks good, though it does have a slight sparklyness to it, moreso than the 15" PB I came from. The Glossy MB's have great screens. The 24" iMac has a great screen.

What I would gather is that Apple needs to hire someone with decent eyesight for their quality control department. Apparently there's a yes-man that isn't rejecting stuff that should be rejected.

Could happen to the best of companies I guess. But they need to weed that fool out.

-=DG=-

[HFU]

Hopefully we will see new batch of MBP with CMO LED panel soon.
http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/about/shownews1.jsp?flag=20070612154119

From all the MBP screen experience, CMO (9C57) is still the preferred one over other panel we have seen from CD and C2D. One would expect CMO's LED would also show higher quality than other panels.

[Erasmus]

BTW, I saw the 17" glossy regular resolution one (not the 1900x1200), and it looks like UTTER CRAP. The graininess was horrible, and you could see the scan rate! The 20" iMac and below are also terribly grainy, along with the 15" Glossy MBP.

Quibble: LCD screens do not have a "scan rate". Only CRT monitors.

[iW00t]

Hopefully we will see new batch of MBP with CMO LED panel soon.
http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/about/shownews1.jsp?flag=20070612154119

From all the MBP screen experience, CMO (9C57) is still the preferred one over other panel we have seen from CD and C2D. One would expect CMO's LED would also show higher quality than other panels.

Which manufacturer are the current screens from?

Here is my screen's information:

http://notfud.com/dropbox/MyDisplayPref.png

[aliquis-]

I just noticed this thread and what you guys are talking about right now, for my new MBP with glossy finished screen, when I look at the screen from top to the bottom there are no yellowish color what so ever just white, but how ever when I look from either left or the right side i can see the entire screen became yellowish so is that the problem or? maybe its just how the glossy finished looks like when I combined with the new LED screen?As soon as you look at it from an angle and get any depressing results I think it's all due to the limited viewing angles.

If this issue exists and is a problem it's something you see even while you look straight on the screen.

[Erasmus]

Which manufacturer are the current screens from?

Here is my screen's information:

Well, it seems to say there the model is 9C67, which one would assume is newer and better than model number 9C57...
It probably doesn't work like that, but the fact remains, there are a lot of "Apple Should Have"'s, when the fact is, that the SR MBP is an absolutely fantastic computer in ALL respects. I do not believe that can be successfully denied.

[aliquis-]

The MBP I bought on Monday had a definite yellow cast over the bottom 1/3 of the screen, that was not due to viewing angle or any other factor. The screen lighting was just yellow, period.

Well, I just exchanged mine, and I can say the replacement has no problems. Absolutely beautiful screen.I think you are the first one who have got it exchange with one without the colors, there have been people who didn't saw the issue but you have both seen it and then not seen it on the later one. So then atleast some screens must be good and there is hope :)

[aliquis-]

Well I took my MBP to the Apple store. The Genius noted my issue with the screen and said he didn't want to exchange it for a new MBP, since a new one could have the same problem. So they are ordering me a new screen from Apple and will replace it when it comes in. And for good measure a new keyboard too, since I have a squeaky spacebar. And they will fix and replace the parts in the store, so I don't have to send it off for a long time.

Well once again Apple has proven their service to be impeccable. I'm a happy customer :D

-=DG=-Sweet.

[Erasmus]

I think you are the first one who have got it exchange with one without the colors, there have been people who didn't saw the issue but you have both seen it and then not seen it on the later one. So then atleast some screens must be good and there is hope :)

Damn right. Problem fixed, now everyone stop worrying!!!

[aliquis-]

there are a lot of "Apple Should Have"'s, when the fact is, that the SR MBP is an absolutely fantastic computer in ALL respects. I do not believe that can be successfully denied.ok ok ok ok, I will be willing to say "The Macbook Pros spec doesn't suck, it's only that 256MB vram would be a nice insurrance for future games and would come at a very low cost if Apple would had put it in all modells", there you go, happy?

If I would have bought a MBP I would just have got a Dell 2007WFP S-IPS panel for it aswell so I would probably not even look at the screen it came with that much.

And 128MB isn't much of an issue in doom3, quake4, ut 2004, and so on which barefeats have shown, only in very high-end game type benchmarks in 3dmark06 but I'm not sure games at that level can be played on the 8600M GT no matter how much memory anyway.

[powerocool]

I went to the apple store to get it exchanged, and the genius checked my gradients and told me there was a flaw so I went ahead and got the matte screen exchanged (I almost got the glossy one though but I liked the matte better). Any ways I'm at home and I can confirm that its 100% evenly lit and I dont see the yellow tint anymore and no back light bleeding, only barely about a mm on each bottom corner but other than that the screen is superb. Go and get it exchanged I think some of the screens just has that flaw. Also the mbp 15" led glossy that I saw on display had the yellow tint just as my first one, I checked and tested at the apple store for about an hour this morning and the led matte display next to this glossy one had no yellow tint so I went ahead and went home and came back and did the exchange. =D Now all is good!! and no dead pixels either very nice quality!!

jjahshik also seems to have it fixed. Anybody else?

[HFU]

Which manufacturer are the current screens from?Could you run this program and do the screen dump (export DDC) by running SwitchResX control?
http://www.switchres.info/html/SRX/DL.shtml

9C67 LED panel (matte) should be LP154WP2-TLA1 which is the LG panel. It is suppose to be a decent panel. People who noticed more distinct yellow tint on 9C68 LED panel (glossy) can also try to run SwitchRedX control to determine the screen manufacture.

[Erasmus]

ok ok ok ok, I will be willing to say "The Macbook Pros spec doesn't suck, it's only that 256MB vram would be a nice insurrance for future games and would come at a very low cost if Apple would had put it in all modells", there you go, happy?

If I would have bought a MBP I would just have got a Dell 2007WFP S-IPS panel for it aswell so I would probably not even look at the screen it came with that much.

And 128MB isn't much of an issue in doom3, quake4, ut 2004, and so on which barefeats have shown, only in very high-end game type benchmarks in 3dmark06 but I'm not sure games at that level can be played on the 8600M GT no matter how much memory anyway.

Remember that the MBP is NOT a gaming computer. It is designed to be a work computer, which has the capability to play great games at highish qualities. I would say the closest thing that Apple has to a gaming computer is the 24" iMac. Anyone wanna argue? I seriously doubt whether any professional application would benefit more from more VRAM than a faster processor. If you happen to have a 500MB CAD file that you want to run, and so you would expect there to be a use for an extra 256MB of RAM, I should think that the GPU's Turbocache would fix this. The extra VRAM is only good for games. I'm not saying that the MBP should not have 256/512MB of dedicated VRAM, but that I believe it is not necessary for what the MBP was primarily designed for.

Apologies, I believe I am in somewhat of a bad mood at the moment, but the MBP and Mac Pro are primarily work computers, not gaming computers. Easily seen by the use of a 2.2/2.4 GHz processor, when there is no doubt that is complete overkill for almost every game, especially running a 8600M GT. Maybe it wouldn't be GPU limited with an 8800 or something, but it is.

And after all that (bitching, I admit) I agree with what you said.

[iW00t]

Well, it seems to say there the model is 9C67, which one would assume is newer and better than model number 9C57...
It probably doesn't work like that, but the fact remains, there are a lot of "Apple Should Have"'s, when the fact is, that the SR MBP is an absolutely fantastic computer in ALL respects. I do not believe that can be successfully denied.

Believe me when I say this, I am actually very happy with mine, and many of you guys know how pissed I was with the older ones.

Still I am rather curious about the issues you guys noticed.

[HFU]

Well, it seems to say there the model is 9C67, which one would assume is newer and better than model number 9C57...
It probably doesn't work like that, but the fact remains, there are a lot of "Apple Should Have"'s, when the fact is, that the SR MBP is an absolutely fantastic computer in ALL respects. I do not believe that can be successfully denied.The screen code used by Apple determines different screen manufactures. The higher of the number doesn't necessary means it is better. This has been the case in CD and C2D where people prefer 9C57 (crisp, evenly lit, nearly no grain) when Apple later switch to AUO 9C60 and 9C61 (on most of C2D) which turned out to be more grainy and uneven lit. When the LED panel production ramp up, we will see more LED panels from different manufactures. It will help us to determine which panel performs better.

[JFreak]

Quibble: LCD screens do not have a "scan rate". Only CRT monitors.

No, but they still do have a refresh rate. Though only the "moving" pixels are changed during the refresh, the "scan" can be visible if the picture is moving fast and GPU/screen acting slow.

Upping LCD refresh rate can also make the display act weird, if the refresh rate matches screen response badly. I mean, if you have 60Hz refresh, it means 16.67ms per refresh. Then if it's an 10ms screen for example, there's probably going to be visible problems in fast moving scenes. It would be optimal to use 100Hz refresh, which the GPU probably won't do so the next best thing would be to use 50Hz refresh, which is doable. Then each frame would be visible for 20ms which suits the 10ms screen perfectly. In this scenario 50Hz refresh would produce better picture than 60Hz refresh; however, this example is not taken from real world but simply made to show that bigger is not always better.

That's also reason why I wonder why gamers want the biggest possible frame rate. It would be optimal to have a constant frame rate that would be some X times the screen refresh; for example this 10ms screen would work optimally if the GPU refreshed the screen 50 times a second and the game would provide the GPU a new picture every time the GPU does an update, therefore making 50fps the optimal frame rate (and making 100/150/200fps optimal frame rate for those who want bragging rights). Why games have variable frame rate goes beyond my understanding; IMO it would be a lot more beneficial to have a user preference for a constant frame rate, for example 50fps (or 25fps if the game is very taxing).

OK, end of this offf-topic nonsense :)

[Erasmus]

No, but they still do have a refresh rate. Though only the "moving" pixels are changed during the refresh, the "scan" can be visible if the picture is moving fast and GPU/screen acting slow.

It was by belief that the GPU calculated what all he pixels of a specific frame should be, I assume held them in some sort of buffer, and then changed the screen all at once. Is this true, or does the GPU send stuff directly to the screen, so pixels are changed running down (or up) the screen, resulting in pixels at one end being refreshed before pixels at the other? This would constitute a scan, but if their held in a buffer and changed all at once, it would not. I guess as 60Hz on a 100Hz screen apparently looks worse than 50Hz, would suggest the buffer.

So the 100Hz screen refresh is what the screen does, changing the pixels on the screen when it gets the new data, regardless of when it gets this data? I would have thought the screen would wait until a full frame had been made, and put it up, before waiting for the next one, in which case the 100Hz refresh rate would be simply the point where the pixels can't physically change fast enough, and I suppose you would get some kind of physical dithering effect in the LCD crystals themselves.

Anyway, sorry to quiz you on the exact workings of an LCD screen...

[aliquis-]

Apologies, I believe I am in somewhat of a bad mood at the moment, but the MBP and Mac Pro are primarily work computers, not gaming computers.Well, ok, Macs aren't gaming computers, mostly because of:
1) There are few games for macs.
2) Therefor gamers don't buy macs.
3) If gamers don't buy macs why release games for them?
4) The hardware most often isn't very good for games.
5) The hardware most often can't be upgraded.
6) OS X graphics drivers and OpenGL are slow and outdated.
7) Therefor even on the same hardware games are faster in Windows so people will dualboot anyway.
8) Gamers still run the games in Windows.

Anyway, I'm an old amiga and later on OS nerd and for me I just want a decent OS, back in the Amiga days MS-DOS 6.22 + Win 3.11 sucked so therefrom comes my hate for Windows, which is quite illogical considering how stable and good XP SP2 and probably Vista is nowadays. Anyway I would prefer "to be different" and run something else.

I'm perfectly happy with FreeBSD + KDE but I would like to be able to run for instance Photoshop and games but I don't want to dual boot, so there comes OS X which offers some commercial apps and games. If I had a mac I would probably play in OS X even thought I had worse performance just to not have to install and dual boot Windows.

So, for me the huge advantage with a mac and os x is being able to game without dual boot and so on, and nothing else. Many of the smart utilities for os x cost money and in bsd/linux/solaris they tend to be free so as long as OS goes I'm quite happy with an open one.

I already know that my needs might not be everyone else, and even less what Apple want to sell. But they are mine and therefor I will have the issues I have, no matter what if others have them or not. I'm a consumer, not donator/apple employe, so I will argue for what fits my consumer needs. Easily seen by the use of a 2.2/2.4 GHz processor, when there is no doubt that is complete overkill for almost every game, especially running a 8600M GT. Maybe it wouldn't be GPU limited with an 8800 or something, but it is.

And after all that (bitching, I admit) I agree with what you said.I googled for prices and it seems a 2.2 GHz core2duo is (t7500, is that the one? whatever, doesn't matter so much, it's the principle) is around 330 dollar, 2.4GHz is around 650, so that's 320 dollar higher price for the 1/11 th faster cpu. However an update from 256 to 512MB desktop version of 8600 GT here in sweden cost around 150 sek, which is around $20. So say 128MB more vram might cost 10 dollar, but it doesn't matter, my argument is valid for 50 dollar aswell.

For Apple to add that $10 or whatever to the lowend modell wouldn't have made a huge effect on price, but it would keep me happy, but now they are using 128MB just to trick people into getting the middle end modell on which they probably earn a little more, but that one comes with a $320 or so more expensive CPU of which I have no ****ing use at all. And that's what are making me insane. I won't fall for that trick and buy that modell, especially as I know that in a half years town that CPU won't be top of the range, it won't be much slower than another one, but it will be much cheaper, and then it's so stupid to pay a lot for it.

128MB vram however are cheap.

To me 15.4" 2.2GHz, 2GB, 120GB, 256MB 8600M GT and 17" 2.4 GHz, 2GB, 200GB, 512MB, 1920x1200 modells only would have been enough. Then add the 13.3" with integrated graphics and 1GB ram and put the same shell on everyone and just sell them as Macbooks.

There you go, three modells of which noone really suck (well, macbook with real gpu would be better, but one could argue that the lack of it is good for portability, althought I would have prefered even a lowend gpu to integrated graphics.)

Edit: I'm angry because it's so obvious it's made to make a larger difference of low- and middle end modell to sell more of the later one, not because the cost of 256MB vram where so high that they had to do it.

[Erasmus]

Another question, I asked before but no answer.
If LED screens have the LEDs arranged around the outside of the screen, how is the light transported to the centre of the screen to keep the backlight even? I imagine it's not fibre optics, because that would just be insane...

Sorry to quiz you guys so much, but I am interested.

aliquis- : I don't know why Apple didn't use 256/512MB VRAM in the MBPs, but I'm sure it was a deeper reason than just to get people to pay for the 2.4 model. I think we need more benchmarks, but it is quite likely that Apple experimented with the different configurations, and deemed that the 8600M GT would not benefit from 512MB VRAM, especially as it uses Turbocache. Maybe it's not powerful enough to be able to process more than 256MB of textures in less time then it would take to just load the new textures into VRAM as it finishes with old ones?

I'm sure there is a legitimate reason why a 8600M GT with 512MB dedicated VRAM has no benefit over one with 256MB VRAM. There *may* also be issues with GDDR3 vs GDDR2. Perhaps Apple could not get a GDDR3 version with 512MB VRAM, and so chose to go smaller, so they could keep memory clocks high while keeping power consumption low?

I expect more in depth benchmarks between the 2.2 and 2.4 models along with other models such as the 'G1S'? etc. could reflect this.

[JFreak]

Yep; the "scan" is visible, because the timings do not match. You can test this yourself by staring at the "flurry" screen saver for some time. It tries to refresh the picture as often as it can, thus eventually resulting in the kind of "scan distortion" mentioned above. You can notice when sometimes there's a break in the picture — it however does not mean that the GPU would hiccup, but just that the timings are not matching perfectly.

LCD panel only changes its pixel content when the content actually changes, so that's why there's no need for very high refresh rates. Actually 25fps would be "enough" for a smoothly moving SD picture (or 50fps for HD). That would also mean 40ms panels would be perfectly okay for a smoothly moving SD picture (or 20ms panels for HD). But there are always people who think they notice a difference between 8ms and 16ms while in practice the difference they're seeing is different distortions from the occasional timing mismatches.

If there was a 50Hz screen refresh for a 20ms LCD panel, there would be no timing distortions and the picture would be awesome. Even while playing at lowly 25fps which would mean every frame would be displayed twice by the GPU ;)

[aliquis-]

Is this true, or does the GPU send stuff directly to the screen, so pixels are changed running down (or up) the screenTo begin with the GPU works on many pixels at once while calculating them, not one at the time, but I guess the result ends up in a buffer which is then sent to the screen. Anyway I doubt all pixels are updated at once, but more likely with adressing and values, but I don't know for sure. Sure that would give you the chance to see that they are getting redrawn, if that happened slow which I doubt it does.

It would still not be the same as on a CRT because atleast the pixels glow all the time, so sure they might not be updated all at once, but if the image is static you will never notice any flicker, and if it moves a lot I guess the movement distract you from the redraw anyway. On a CRT however with a static image you will see flicker because each pixel are only starting to emit light when the electron beam passes thru and will wear of a little until the next run.

[JFreak]

Another question, I asked before but no answer.
If LED screens have the LEDs arranged around the outside of the screen, how is the light transported to the centre of the screen to keep the backlight even? I imagine it's not fibre optics, because that would just be insane...

Sorry to quiz you guys so much, but I am interested.

Until somebody breaks one apart (or someones led backlight breaks), we can only guess; the most likely answer is that "backlight" means having leds on the back of the panel. However, because the backlight only means that the unit provides even lighting across the whole screen, it can in theory be done with fiber optics too. Whichever would be more practical.

Former guess would mean more leds and simpler design but the latter would mean less leds (and more optical cable) while the backlight could possibly be made thinner. Breaking a backlight would also reveal how it's done; if the former, then there could be "dead pixels" due to broken backlight led, if the latter, then there could be "dead lines" which would make the partial backlight failure more severe.

[aliquis-]

That would also mean 40ms panels would be perfectly okay for a smoothly moving SD picture (or 20ms panels for HD). But there are always people who think they notice a difference between 8ms and 16ms while in practice the difference they're seeing is different distortions from the occasional timing mismatches.That is wrong, since no matter what framerate as long as you have any delay at all it will effect the next frame to some extent. With a 40ms delay on 25Hz content the last pixel would to some extent still be where the whole time the next pixel are supposed to be shown. And obviously that will affect how the current pixel will look.

[Erasmus]

If there was a 50Hz screen refresh for a 20ms LCD panel, there would be no timing distortions and the picture would be awesome. Even while playing at lowly 25fps which would mean every frame would be displayed twice by the GPU ;)

Almost agree. (Not quite)
I believe this would be true except for one thing: ghosting.
I'm pretty sure the eye can only respond to 25-30 fps, but at 25 fps (using a game as an example) any fast movements would result in an object "jumping" across the screen. This would be incredibly obvious at a refresh rate of 25 fps, even 30 fps. Of course, it probably wouldn't cause bother, but it wouldn't look as good as it could. At higher framerates, the eye just blurs the many closely positioned objects, and so you just get a blur, which looks natural.
So, I reckon a game such as Crysis, which uses motion blur, should look really nice even at framerates of 25-30, where as other games you would need a bit higher.
This suggests other places that motion blur could be used to make other things look better, such as movies, although its probably already there to some extent in the data itself at capture. Perhaps if the GPU rendered one frame ahead, compared two consecutive frames to see how and where things move, and used blurring appropriately, you could get much nicer looking videos of artificial things, an excellent example would be a fast moving CAD movie. I wouldn't imagine it would be that hard for the GPU to pull off.



Oh, and thanks for all the other explanations. Cheers!

[iW00t]

Got my screen information

DDC block report generated by SwitchResX for display
Color LCD

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
-----------------------------------------------------
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6 | 50 31 35 34 57 50 32 2D 54 4C 41 31 00 00 00 FE
7 | 00 43 6F 6C 6F 72 20 4C 43 44 0A 20 20 20 00 46

-----------------------------------------------------
Valid DDC block: checksum passed

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26524 (679C) (9C67)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 0 of year 2007
Max H Size..........33 cm
Max V Size..........21 cm
Gamma...............2.20

DPMS Supported Features:
------------------------


Display type:
-------------
RGB color display


Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital

Color info:
------------
Red x = 0.600 Green x = 0.319 Blue x = 0.149 White x = 0.312
Red y = 0.345 Green y = 0.555 Blue y = 0.072 White y = 0.328

Established Timings:
--------------------

Manufacturer Reserved Timings:
------------------------------

Standard Timing Identification:
-------------------------------

Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 is Timing definition:
Mode = 1440 x 900 @ 60Hz
Pixel Clock.............96.31 MHz Non-Interlaced

Horizontal Vertical
Active..................1440 pixels 900 lines
Front Porch............. 64 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 3 lines
Back Porch.............. 224 pixels 6 lines
Blanking................ 320 pixels 12 lines
Total...................1760 pixels 912 lines
Scan Rate............... 54.72 kHz 60.00 Hz

Image Size.............. 332 mm 207 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines

Sync: Digital separate with
* Negative vertical polarity
* Negative horizontal polarity

Descriptor #1 is Manufacturer specific data (not interpreted here)

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LP154WP2-TLA1
Descriptor #3 is ASCII data:
Color LCD

[dartzorichalcos]

Is it true that the more VRAM the GPU has, the more/better colors will show up on the screen? I heard someone say it before and wondering if it's true.

[aliquis-]

Is it true that the more VRAM the GPU has, the more/better colors will show up on the screen? I heard someone say it before and wondering if it's true.No, it's not true.

Or well, back in the days when you had say 2MB graphics memory maybe you couldn't run the highest resolution at 24 bit so you had to use say 8 bit.. But well, noone have 1-2MB vram longer so no, not true ;D

[rrijkers]

Could you run this program and do the screen dump (export DDC) by running SwitchResX control?
http://www.switchres.info/html/SRX/DL.shtml

Can more people please do this so we can see whether there are other batches in circulation already? PLease also state wether you have the yellow issues and if its a matte/glossy LED screen.

TnX :)

[mayoko185]

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
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1 | 0A 11 01 03 80 22 16 78 0A 50 C5 98 58 52 8E 27
2 | 25 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
3 | 01 01 01 01 01 01 9F 25 A0 40 51 84 0C 30 40 20
4 | 33 00 4B CF 10 00 00 19 00 00 00 01 00 06 10 30
5 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FE 00 4C
6 | 54 4E 31 35 34 42 54 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FC
7 | 00 43 6F 6C 6F 72 20 4C 43 44 0A 20 20 20 00 14

-----------------------------------------------------
Valid DDC block: checksum passed

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26780 (689C) (9C68)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 10 of year 2007
Max H Size..........34 cm
Max V Size..........22 cm
Gamma...............2.20

DPMS Supported Features:
------------------------
Display type:
-------------
RGB color display
Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital

Color info:
------------
Red x = 0.595 Green x = 0.320 Blue x = 0.155 White x = 0.313
Red y = 0.345 Green y = 0.555 Blue y = 0.145 White y = 0.329

-------------------------------
Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 is Timing definition:
Mode = 1440 x 900 @ 60Hz
Pixel Clock.............96.31 MHz Non-Interlaced

Horizontal Vertical
Active..................1440 pixels 900 lines
Front Porch............. 64 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 3 lines
Back Porch.............. 224 pixels 6 lines
Blanking................ 320 pixels 12 lines
Total...................1760 pixels 912 lines
Scan Rate............... 54.72 kHz 60.00 Hz

Image Size.............. 331 mm 207 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines

Sync: Digital separate with
* Negative vertical polarity
* Negative horizontal polarity

Descriptor #1 is Manufacturer specific data (not interpreted here)
Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LTN154BT
Descriptor #3 is Monitor name:
Color LCD

And im ringing in as one without the tinting issue ;)

[SandmanTR]

15" MacBook Pro - Matte

I do have the "Yellow Hue" problem on the bottom 1/3 of the screen

DDC block report generated by SwitchResX for display
Color LCD

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
-----------------------------------------------------
0 | 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 06 10 68 9C 00 00 00 00
1 | 0A 11 01 03 80 22 16 78 0A 50 C5 98 58 52 8E 27
2 | 25 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
3 | 01 01 01 01 01 01 9F 25 A0 40 51 84 0C 30 40 20
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5 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FE 00 4C
6 | 54 4E 31 35 34 42 54 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FC
7 | 00 43 6F 6C 6F 72 20 4C 43 44 0A 20 20 20 00 14

-----------------------------------------------------
Valid DDC block: checksum passed

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26780 (689C) (9C68)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 10 of year 2007
Max H Size..........34 cm
Max V Size..........22 cm
Gamma...............2.20

DPMS Supported Features:
------------------------


Display type:
-------------
RGB color display


Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital

Color info:
------------
Red x = 0.595 Green x = 0.320 Blue x = 0.155 White x = 0.313
Red y = 0.345 Green y = 0.555 Blue y = 0.145 White y = 0.329

Established Timings:
--------------------

Manufacturer Reserved Timings:
------------------------------

Standard Timing Identification:
-------------------------------

Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 is Timing definition:
Mode = 1440 x 900 @ 60Hz
Pixel Clock.............96.31 MHz Non-Interlaced

Horizontal Vertical
Active..................1440 pixels 900 lines
Front Porch............. 64 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 3 lines
Back Porch.............. 224 pixels 6 lines
Blanking................ 320 pixels 12 lines
Total...................1760 pixels 912 lines
Scan Rate............... 54.72 kHz 60.00 Hz

Image Size.............. 331 mm 207 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines

Sync: Digital separate with
* Negative vertical polarity
* Negative horizontal polarity

Descriptor #1 is Manufacturer specific data (not interpreted here)

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LTN154BT

[milky23]

So, SandmanTR has the yellowing problem, mayoko185 doesn't... but they both have the same panel.

I declare shenanigans on Apple.

[HFU]

15.4 Matte 1440x900

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26524 (679C) (9C67)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 0 of year 2007
Max H Size..........33 cm
Max V Size..........21 cm
Gamma...............2.20

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LP154WP2-TLA1 --> LG Panel


15.4 Glossy 1440x900

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26780 (689C) (9C68)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 10 of year 2007
Max H Size..........34 cm
Max V Size..........22 cm
Gamma...............2.20

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LTN154BT --> Samsung Panel


15.4 Matte 1440x900

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26780 (689C) (9C68)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 10 of year 2007
Max H Size..........34 cm
Max V Size..........22 cm
Gamma...............2.20

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LTN154BT --> Samsung Panel


17 Matte 1920x1200

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........27036 (699C) (9C69)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 15 of year 2007
Max H Size..........37 cm
Max V Size..........23 cm
Gamma...............2.20

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LP171WU1-TLB1 --> LG Panel


This is what we got so far on the SR MBP. 15.4" comes with either LG or Samsung panel, and 17" comes with LG. Some exhibit yellow tint, some don't , also notice the production date might be another factor. The glossy layer on the new LCD panel maybe the culprit?

[Alloye]

So, SandmanTR has the yellowing problem, mayoko185 doesn't... but they both have the same panel.

I didn't perceive the yellow cast on my display until I started using a calibrated profile. Now when I switch back to the Apple-supplied "Color LCD" profile, the cast is immediately obvious.

What I still don't notice is any additional cast at the bottom. My display is nearly perfect in this regard. I only notice a slightly lower brightness level at the bottom when my viewing angle is less than perfect.

[SandmanTR]

Yep. I saw that too. :confused:

[emex]

Yeah. I just did a color calibration too and the yellow tint is gone, but it sounds like some people's problems are a little scarier, with the whole "only 1/3rd" thing.

[PDE]

Yeah. I just did a color calibration too and the yellow tint is gone, but it sounds like some people's problems are a little scarier, with the whole "only 1/3rd" thing.

I think it's hard to tell if the lower third is yellowish or if it's brownish due to that area being darker than the rest, or perhaps a little of both. Probably a little bit of both.

[PDE]

Mine has a slight yellow tint that is still visible at the bottom after calibration. The profile:

DDC block report generated by SwitchResX for display
Color LCD (1)

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
-----------------------------------------------------
0 | 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 06 10 67 9C 00 00 00 00
1 | 00 11 01 03 80 21 15 78 0A 9C 60 99 58 51 8E 26
2 | 12 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
3 | 01 01 01 01 01 01 9F 25 A0 40 51 84 0C 30 40 20
4 | 33 00 4C CF 10 00 00 18 00 00 00 01 00 06 10 30
5 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FE 00 4C
6 | 50 31 35 34 57 50 32 2D 54 4C 41 31 00 00 00 FE
7 | 00 43 6F 6C 6F 72 20 4C 43 44 0A 20 20 20 00 46

-----------------------------------------------------
Valid DDC block: checksum passed

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26524 (679C) (9C67)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 0 of year 2007
Max H Size..........33 cm
Max V Size..........21 cm
Gamma...............2.20

DPMS Supported Features:
------------------------


Display type:
-------------
RGB color display


Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital

Color info:
------------
Red x = 0.600 Green x = 0.319 Blue x = 0.149 White x = 0.312
Red y = 0.345 Green y = 0.555 Blue y = 0.072 White y = 0.328

Established Timings:
--------------------

Manufacturer Reserved Timings:
------------------------------

Standard Timing Identification:
-------------------------------

Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 is Timing definition:
Mode = 1440 x 900 @ 60Hz
Pixel Clock.............96.31 MHz Non-Interlaced

Horizontal Vertical
Active..................1440 pixels 900 lines
Front Porch............. 64 pixels 3 lines
Sync Width.............. 32 pixels 3 lines
Back Porch.............. 224 pixels 6 lines
Blanking................ 320 pixels 12 lines
Total...................1760 pixels 912 lines
Scan Rate............... 54.72 kHz 60.00 Hz

Image Size.............. 332 mm 207 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines

Sync: Digital separate with
* Negative vertical polarity
* Negative horizontal polarity

Descriptor #1 is Manufacturer specific data (not interpreted here)

Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LP154WP2-TLA1
Descriptor #3 is ASCII data:
Color LCD

[msharpmu]

I am jumpin into this conversation a little late and skimmed over all the posts.

This is what I have concluded -

The new MBP LED screens with glossy finish are to blame. So if I am unhappy I can exchange it for a matte finish and probably be allright?

[aliquis-]

I am jumpin into this conversation a little late and skimmed over all the posts.

This is what I have concluded -

The new MBP LED screens with glossy finish are to blame. So if I am unhappy I can exchange it for a matte finish and probably be allright?I don't think matte vs glossy had anything to do with it, althought I don't know.

[powerocool]

Here's mine. Bought first day in store. Glossy, with the yellow tint on lower 3rd of screen.

DDC block report generated by SwitchResX for display
Color LCD

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
-----------------------------------------------------
0 | 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 06 10 68 9C 00 00 00 00
1 | 0A 11 01 03 80 22 16 78 0A 50 C5 98 58 52 8E 27
2 | 25 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
3 | 01 01 01 01 01 01 9F 25 A0 40 51 84 0C 30 40 20
4 | 33 00 4B CF 10 00 00 19 00 00 00 01 00 06 10 30
5 | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FE 00 4C
6 | 54 4E 31 35 34 42 54 00 00 00 0A 20 00 00 00 FC
7 | 00 43 6F 6C 6F 72 20 4C 43 44 0A 20 20 20 00 14

-----------------------------------------------------
Valid DDC block: checksum passed

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........26780 (689C) (9C68)
Serial Number.......0

Manufactured........Week 10 of year 2007
Max H Size..........34 cm
Max V Size..........22 cm
Gamma...............2.20

DPMS Supported Features:
------------------------


Display type:
-------------
RGB color display


Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital

Color info:
------------
Red x = 0.595 Green x = 0.320 Blue x = 0.155 White x = 0.313
Red y = 0.345 Green y = 0.555 Blue y = 0.145 White y = 0.329

Established Timings:
--------------------

Manufacturer Reserved Timings:
------------------------------

Standard Timing Identification:
-------------------------------

Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
Descriptor #0 is Timing definition:
Mode = 1440 x 900 @ 60Hz
Pixel Clock.............96.31 MHz Non-Interlaced

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[PDE]

Ok, I've tried to take some pictures here.

The first one is the default ColorLCD profile underneath my desktop Samsung 215Tw :

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/colorLCDprofile.jpg


The second one is using the colorsync profile posted on macrumors underneath the samsung display:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/6-7-07_profile.jpg


The third picture uses the calibrated profile and try to show the difference between whites at the top and the yellowish whites at the bottom, especially left half. It's VERY hard to captures this and what I did capture does not quite show what it looks like. In real life, there's more of a very translucent yellowishness' to that area. Now when I look at the photo it's really difficult to see - damn. it's easily visible in reality.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/20070615-DSC_1449-1.jpg

[dartzorichalcos]

Ok, I've tried to take some pictures here.

The first one is the default ColorLCD profile underneath my desktop Samsung 215Tw :

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/colorLCDprofile.jpg


The second one is using the colorsync profile posted on macrumors underneath the samsung display:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z111/nycpde/6-7-07_profile.jpg


The third and fourth pictures use the calibrated profile and try to show the difference between whites at the top and the yellowish whites at the bottom. It's VERY hard to captures this and what I did capture does not quite show what it looks like. In real life, there's more of a yellow 'glow' to that area.

What color calibration files did you use?

[SandmanTR]

Yep. That's exactly what I am seeing. :mad:

[PDE]

What color calibration files did you use?

As I wrote: the first picture uses the Apple default ColorLCD profile, the second and third pictures use the profile posted here http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=311587

That profile makes everything look good to me, but the lower part stays a yellowish tint

[HFU]

The third picture uses the calibrated profile and try to show the difference between whites at the top and the yellowish whites at the bottom, especially left half. It's VERY hard to captures this and what I did capture does not quite show what it looks like. In real life, there's more of a very translucent yellowishness' to that area. Now when I look at the photo it's really difficult to see - damn. it's easily visible in reality.I see the yellow tint from your picture. It also seemed there is a slight uneven lit bleed from the bottom edge of the screen? Or was it camera angle?

[PDE]

I see the yellow tint from your picture. It also seemed there is a slight uneven lit bleed from the bottom edge of the screen? Or was it camera angle?

I tried to keep a straight angle in order not to get into the problem of viewing angles and the yellow tint caused by that. It's possible that I may have been slightly off, but not enough to be in a bad viewing angle. There's actually not much bleed at the bottom, more from the top.

[issic]

I tried to keep a straight angle in order not to get into the problem of viewing angles and the yellow tint caused by that. It's possible that I may have been slightly off, but not enough to be in a bad viewing angle. There's actually not much bleed at the bottom, more from the top.

Thanks a lot PDE that's a proof at least and thanks for the data about manufactures from rest of you, but unfortunatly it shows somewhere yes and somewhere no....

I noticed that LED in new SR MBP are 3-5mm higher placed in frame then the C2D MBP. Question to think, it's possible to have the bottom part be some kind of inner reflection from plastic?

Another question to think what is the layers of LCD Display?
-Antireflection coat
- Some kind of plastic glass
- Liquid crystals
- some electric wireframe
- another plastic glass
- matte sheet?
- led backlight?

The bottom of the screen is usually hotter then the top, can that be issue? Can hot effect the LEDs?

I know it's question for engineers but i'm just curious :)

(when I was saying in Apple Store I'm not alone seeing this issue and pointing to this forum, manager in duty said: "I don't believe these forums to much, they also claim that Elvis is alive..." ;) )

[Wallace86]

I have a 2.2 glossy and I cannot find the yellow tint on my display. That's not to say there aren't a few things that bother me.

I noticed some color banding while activating Front Row. No big deal at all, I really couldn't careless about that at this point.

I noticed there is an allusion of vertical banding whenever I get about 16" from the screen and shake my head (like saying "no".) Not that bothersome as I'm usually not shaking my head at the computer, but I do notice it every so often.

Other than that the display is amazing. I love the glossy screen and am glad I chose it. i can actually use the computer outside and glare is not an issue. The brightness is enough to burn out a cornea.:)

yes, i noticed that when I stand about 26 inches behind my screen slightly to the left and do cartwheels there is slight vertical color banding as well.

[msharpmu]

yes, i noticed that when I stand about 26 inches behind my screen slightly to the left and do cartwheels there is slight vertical color banding as well.

Thank you for that...

[msharpmu]

I promise to you all that I am working on this. I am new to the mac and my MBP is a little yellow. Can someone please recap some steps that I can take that might help fix this issue. Thanks in advance...

[issic]

I promise to you all that I am working on this. I am new to the mac and my MBP is a little yellow. Can someone please recap some steps that I can take that might help fix this issue. Thanks in advance...

if it's yellow completly the whole screen just go to display and calibrate it under the color tab.

if it's yellow in bottom 1/3 you can't do anything, but try change the viewing angle....it may go less or more....but will be there still

[Animalk]

I have a C2D MBP non-SR and it has the glossy finish. What you are all seeing in my opinion is the impurities in the material used for the screen. Apple has specifications and criteria on what the translucency of the material used for the screen should be. When you are looking at it straight ahead, you are looking at its designed and tested translucency with minimal variation from direct line of sight (I would say 5 degree to either side at most was tested).
When you look at it from an even greater angle, you can clearly see the display start to loose its lumonisty and color integrity. That is because you are looking through the screen material at and angle and therefore light is trying to pass through a thicker, non-tested peice of material which makes it highly more likely for impurities to show up. Also lets not forget these are LCD displays so they are composed of several hundred thousands of cells which darken the image from an angle to various degrees depending on what material is used to make these cells.

If i look at my MBP head on, its the best display i own (and I own several 20" and up Dell LCD desktop monitors). If i change my view to strike it at an angle, it immediatly looses luminosity and the all the colors are tinted yellowish. The more I increase my angle, the more it becomes apparent.

Granted I dont have an LED equipped MBP, but Apple has confirmed that the luminosity of both the LED and non-LED has been calibrated to be identical in every way other then power consumption.

[issic]

I have a C2D MBP non-SR and it has the glossy finish. What you are all seeing in my opinion is the impurities in the material used for the screen. Apple has specifications and criteria on what the translucency of the material used for the screen should be. When you are looking at it straight ahead, you are looking at its designed and tested translucency with minimal variation from direct line of sight (I would say 5 degree to either side at most was tested).
When you look at it from an even greater angle, you can clearly see the display start to loose its lumonisty and color integrity. That is because you are looking through the screen material at and angle and therefore light is trying to pass through a thicker, non-tested peice of material which makes it highly more likely for impurities to show up. Also lets not forget these are LCD displays so they are composed of several hundred thousands of cells which darken the image from an angle to various degrees depending on what material is used to make these cells.

If i look at my MBP head on, its the best display i own (and I own several 20" and up Dell LCD desktop monitors). If i change my view to strike it at an angle, it immediatly looses luminosity and the all the colors are tinted yellowish. The more I increase my angle, the more it becomes apparent.

Granted I dont have an LED equipped MBP, but Apple has confirmed that the luminosity of both the LED and non-LED has been calibrated to be identical in every way other then power consumption.

I don't have yellow tint on C2D MBP and it's not a issue for the old ones. It's issue of LED displays on MBP SR, but you right that viewing angle is one of factors but for what I saw it's just making bigger or smaller...and these two displays are NOT calibrated from factory to same levels in color or luminosity just check the photos....

[Animalk]

I don't have yellow tint on C2D MBP and it's not a issue for the old ones. It's issue of LED displays on MBP SR, but you right that viewing angle is one of factors but for what I saw it's just making bigger or smaller...and these two displays are NOT calibrated from factory to same levels in color or luminosity just check the photos....

I have seen the photos and, even though I am starting to doubt Apple on these new LED displays, I am still not 100% convinced that something is wrong with them.

As regards to the calibration, I am only stating what Apple has stated.

[mayoko185]

After looking at those pictures I can say mine is nothing like that... I will admit though I did calibrate as the default one did look a little "discolored". the profile PDE linked to had a way to blue/perpule but I made my own and I couldn't be happier :D

Only thing I can think of now that this is due to the finishings apple is putting on theses displays as another guy with the same display (but /e matte coting) has the issue wile I dont

[iW00t]

After looking at those pictures I can say mine is nothing like that... I will admit though I did calibrate as the default one did look a little "discolored". the profile PDE linked to had a way to blue/perpule but I made my own and I couldn't be happier :D

Only thing I can think of now that this is due to the finishings apple is putting on theses displays as another guy with the same display (but /e matte coting) has the issue wile I dont

The one PDE linked to is for a LG panel, I am not surprised it does not work that well on your Samsung :)

[iW00t]

I don't have yellow tint on C2D MBP and it's not a issue for the old ones. It's issue of LED displays on MBP SR, but you right that viewing angle is one of factors but for what I saw it's just making bigger or smaller...and these two displays are NOT calibrated from factory to same levels in color or luminosity just check the photos....

I do have a C2D MacBook Pro and the tint issue is much worse if you are viewing it from the sides.

[powerocool]

Alright I just went to see the screens at the local Apple Store, and I think I know which ones have the tint now.

Out of the 4 LED MBPs 2 matte, 2 glossy.
- 1 matte doesn't have the problem the rest do
- The display model for the good one is 9C67, and the other 3 are 9C68.

9C67 is the LG panel, and 9C68 is Samsung from what I've read.

So I think if you have 9C67, you are fine.

[DHagan4755]

Alright I just went to see the screens at the local Apple Store, and I think I know which ones have the tint now.

Out of the 4 LED MBPs 2 matte, 2 glossy.
- 1 matte doesn't have the problem the rest do
- The display model for the good one is 9C67, and the other 3 are 9C68.

9C67 is the LG panel, and 9C68 is Samsung from what I've read.

So I think if you have 9C67, you are fine.

Wow, good work!

[Vertig0]

Alright I just went to see the screens at the local Apple Store, and I think I know which ones have the tint now.

Out of the 4 LED MBPs 2 matte, 2 glossy.
- 1 matte doesn't have the problem the rest do
- The display model for the good one is 9C67, and the other 3 are 9C68.

9C67 is the LG panel, and 9C68 is Samsung from what I've read.

So I think if you have 9C67, you are fine.

I've got a 9C67 panel, and I can confirm I've got no noticeable yellowness near the bottom of my screen.

[iW00t]

I've got a 9C67 panel, and I can confirm I've got no noticeable yellowness near the bottom of my screen.

Same here, go go LG!

[Erasmus]

PDE seems to be the exception to the rule.
9C67, and yellowing.

[mayoko185]

Well as I said before I have a 9C68 but I just don't see any yellow tint at the bottom. Maybe there was just a bad batch of samsung panels and I just got lucky and got one w/o a defect? I see the pictures PDE took and mine does not look anything like that...

[Xquizit]

I've been watchin this thread for the last few days and haven't said anything since I didn't notice any issues.

I can confirm, however, that I have the 9C67 LCD (by LG apparently?) and I am experiencing no discoloration.

[iW00t]

PDE seems to be the exception to the rule.
9C67, and yellowing.

Just curious, are the other layers of the screen "replaceable" or are they part of the screen?

It might be that layer which is busted.

[Wallace86]

So, SandmanTR has the yellowing problem, mayoko185 doesn't... but they both have the same panel.

I declare shenanigans on Apple.

yes....that is the only reasonable thing to do at this point.

[Erasmus]

Just curious, are the other layers of the screen "replaceable" or are they part of the screen?

It might be that layer which is busted.

I'm sure Apple will just replace the whole lid of the MBP.
Pulling apart an LCD screen would be incredibly difficult with anything other than robotics, I should think.

[Malfoy]

Where is the screen model number written?

[SandmanTR]

Where is the screen model number written?

Open the Color LCD Profile, scroll down to #13 which is "Apple display make and model information".

[Habusho]

9C68 Glossy and definite yellow discoloring at the bottom of the screen.

[issic]

I do have a C2D MacBook Pro and the tint issue is much worse if you are viewing it from the sides.
YEAH but that's like 60 degrees! I'm talking around 90 degrees +-30 degrees to sides...which correspond with specification of viewing angle. And in this section there is no discoloration as I saw in the same viewing angles in LED. I was looking straight as I could in both levels horizontal and vertical and i saw tint at 1/4 of the SR MBP display

Common of course there is some distortion when you looking in sharp angles, but this discussion is when you looking in ordinary straight forward angles at the display.

I'm sending link for this discussion to apple. Hope will reach higher levels anybody want to make official complain is welcome.

[PDE]

Talked to Apple yesterday and they forced me to go through stupid troubleshooting. They had 'never heard of this problem' and said there was no engineering review of the displays. Since I have the yellow tint and a non-functioning right arrow key, they told me it would be silly to send it in for repair if I can just return it for a replacement. I agree. It's going back to amazon and I'm going to get another one at the Apple Store on Monday just so that it would be easy to replace if something is wrong again.

The yellowish tint IS a noticeable and my choices are either to use the default ColorLCD profile and have the whole screen be yellowish, or to use a calibrated profile and have one third yellow at the bottom of the display. . I have been trying to get used to it but, quite frankly, why should I? I'm hoping that this is not the beginning of another display fiasco. I was very excited when I first got the computer because apple had dealt with both the grain and the uneven illumination, but it's not acceptable to me that there is a yellow hue. I wish Apple could use the same displays as many other manufacturers. When I look in stores, they mostly look great and I'd be satisfied with most of them. I'm asking for: even illumination, no grain, good contrast, little edge bleeding, white whites and black blacks. It's not like the technology doesn't exist, but for some reason apple is having trouble using it.



I'll report back when I get the new one. I'm hoping it will be fine.

[kelau09]

does it count, only noticed when i view the screen from both sides.no yellowish tint when viewing in the front.
Also the gradient colours look terrible, obvious banding issue.:eek:
i'm thinking about taking it back.
damn, i've spend half day transfering data and installing softwares.:mad:

[iW00t]

does it count, only noticed when i view the screen from both sides.no yellowish tint when viewing in the front.
Also the gradient colours look terrible, obvious banding issue.:eek:
i'm thinking about taking it back.
damn, i've spend half day transfering data and installing softwares.:mad:

Do not be so picky. You are not affected by the tint issue. It is a laptop, not a $1000 S-IPS screen.

[kelau09]

Do not be so picky. You are not affected by the tint issue. It is a laptop, not a $1000 S-IPS screen.

What? i just spend $2500 for a pro laptop, i think i have the right to be picky.

[iW00t]

What? i just spend $2500 for a pro laptop, i think i have the right to be picky.

Please check how much other non pro laptops with similar processor and GPUs cost, and come back again.

That you spent $2500 on a laptop is irrelevant. The screens are excellent IMO, but whatever floats your boat, and you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

[issic]

Please check how much other non pro laptops with similar processor and GPUs cost, and come back again.

That you spent $2500 on a laptop is irrelevant. The screens are excellent IMO, but whatever floats your boat, and you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

I don't agree with you. 2500$ for brand priced laptop is a lot and what is the main advertising policy from apple? Spreadsheets? No! Creativity - Video, Photos, Graphics and Music....3 of those are dependent on your eyesight! So don't give us ******** it doesn't matter. this is not an Dell 1000$ discussion...if you want to be fooled go ahead, I want what I deserve for that money, if not then I want to change it. Not mine point of view to change but theirs. Not sure to succeed but worth of trying. And for other users who's reading it i'm not giving any resolution I'm just pointing and saying I think this is wrong...final decision is on you.

[Habusho]

I don't agree with you. 2500$ for brand priced laptop is a lot and what is the main advertising policy from apple? Spreadsheets? No! Creativity - Video, Photos, Graphics and Music....3 of those are dependent on your eyesight! So don't give us ******** it doesn't matter. this is not an Dell 1000$ discussion...if you want to be fooled go ahead, I want what I deserve for that money, if not then I want to change it. Not mine point of view to change but theirs. Not sure to succeed but worth of trying. And for other users who's reading it i'm not giving any resolution I'm just pointing and saying I think this is wrong...final decision is on you.

Absofreakinlutely. We're not talking about a 1K Dell or Hp laptop here. Apple promotes itself as the best of the best and is perceived that way by the consumer. Look at their pricing structure, it's priced as a "top of the line" class product. If you're paying extra expecting a quality product, it's not too much to ask for a screen that freakin works correctly. There is a noticeable yellowing at the bottom of their screens. If you're promoting a new product for a new feature... brand new LED backlit displays, don't you think they should have gone through a little bit more stringent quality control at the very feature\upgrade that they're selling their product on???

[Erasmus]

Then, perhaps, you should go and get it exchanged?
And stop whining. Apple is more than happy to exchange a dodgy computer.

[iW00t]

Then, perhaps, you should go and get it exchanged?
And stop whining. Apple is more than happy to exchange a dodgy computer.

Not really, that computer will end up on the refurb store and get sold for less than what it is worth!

[aliquis-]

does it count, only noticed when i view the screen from both sides.no yellowish tint when viewing in the front.
Also the gradient colours look terrible, obvious banding issue.:eek:
i'm thinking about taking it back.
damn, i've spend half day transfering data and installing softwares.:mad:View screen from the sides: That's because of the viewing angles, and as long as it's a TN-panel it will always look that way, and it seems like there are no other panels in laptops, even thought the Lenovo T60p or whatever someone said earlier have had IPS.

You will have even worse viewing angles vertically and it you look from the top it will probably look bright and from the bottom black. This is have the technique used in them work and there is nothing you can do about it.

Straight in front of it would be another issue, but you don't have it so yours are just fine.

Banding in gradients: This is because it's an 18 bit TN-panel, no "millions of colors", only 262k of them. It will be that on all of them and thought it suck and Apple also lies about the amount of colors it can't be fixed.

Spent half a day: Obviously you haven't tried many other OSes, I've spent waaay to many weeks on annoying computer things. (No I'm not talking Windows, atleast not mainly, Windows works just fine.)

[aliquis-]

What? i just spend $2500 for a pro laptop, i think i have the right to be picky.Well, of course you can take it back, but there are no reason for you to have it replaced atleast because they will all be the same, well, except many others also have a yellow tint on the bottom part of the screen, but I doubt you want one of those.

Also it seems like you would have this issue with all other laptop screens, so you shouldn't get another laptop either.

Get a desktop with NECs AS-IPS panel 20WGX²Pro or maybe some monitors from Eizo or Iiyama and your display will look as good as it can.

[aliquis-]

There is a noticeable yellowing at the bottom of their screens.Well except he complains on a screen which doesn't have the yellowing at the bottom. He complains about one which have limited viewing angles and isn't 24bit.

[iW00t]

Well, of course you can take it back, but there are no reason for you to have it replaced atleast because they will all be the same, well, except many others also have a yellow tint on the bottom part of the screen, but I doubt you want one of those.

Also it seems like you would have this issue with all other laptop screens, so you shouldn't get another laptop either.

Get a desktop with NECs AS-IPS panel 20WGX²Pro or maybe some monitors from Eizo or Iiyama and your display will look as good as it can.

You also forgot to mention the princely sized 21" NEC 2180WG-LED backlit monitors that can be had for a measly sum of $4000 :rolleyes:

$2500 is peanuts when you are in this area. If your work is that important and worth that much (to you) shell out the bucks. Considering the C2D chip alone in the MacBook Pro probably costs Apple at least $500 (well retail pricing in units of 1000 is $650 ea, but Apple probably get a better deal) you really do not have that much headroom in terms of budget when it comes to delivering screen wise.

I am not being an Apple fanboi here, many here remember how pissed I was with the 9C60 screens, but hey... this is actually a good screen. By the way even PVA screens show colour distortion when off centre, and if you expect to see a IPS screen on a laptop you got to be fracking joking, because even the big name monitor companies like Eizo have moved away from IPS to PVA for cost saving measures.

For a laptop screen the LG (without the tint and other weirdness that is) is actually pretty damned good. I would grade it to a 86% relative to my 2080UX+, which while old is still a very good professional grade monitor (way better than the crud the ACD is by the way).

If you honestly believe there is such a thing as a laptop LCD monitor that is as good as a "pro" desktop monitor, you are insane, seriously.

Repeat after me: no matter what a laptop can never, by definition, out perform a desktop workstation.

[mayoko185]

Repeat after me: no matter what a laptop can never, by definition, out perform a desktop workstation.
Not true if I had the time/money I could easily build a laptop that could perform on par with a desktop. However it might weigh 15-20lbs and be able to cook a TV dinner on it though :p

Jokes aside I have to agree with iW00t, if you need a pro screen buy one. You will unlikely find one in a laptop.

I have another question though (and sorry if its already been asked), I wonder if there is difference between the samsung and lg panels being put in the SR MBP's.

[iW00t]

Not true if I had the time/money I could easily build a laptop that could perform on par with a desktop. However it might weigh 15-20lbs and be able to cook a TV dinner on it though :p

Jokes aside I have to agree with iW00t, if you need a pro screen buy one. You will unlikely find one in a laptop.

I have another question though (and sorry if its already been asked), I wonder if there is difference between the samsung and lg panels being put in the SR MBP's.

I think they should be about equal specs wise. Hopefully the yellowing is just an issue that plagues a limited run of monitors.

[unexploded]

I bought a new MBP two days ago, and the guys in the Apple Bullring store are aware of what people are saying in regards to the yellow gradient at the bottom.

In store I couldn't see the yellow gradient on the display macs... perhaps that was because they have awfully bright lights in there? I'm not sure.

Either way, I do have that yellow gradient thing going on with mine. It's not too bad at all really but it's quite prominent when looking at a white webpage for example. I have two weeks to exchange it if I feel the need to... I'm not sure what to do!

[iW00t]

I bought a new MBP two days ago, and the guys in the Apple Bullring store are aware of what people are saying in regards to the yellow gradient at the bottom.

In store I couldn't see the yellow gradient on the display macs... perhaps that was because they have awfully bright lights in there? I'm not sure.

Either way, I do have that yellow gradient thing going on with mine. It's not too bad at all really but it's quite prominent when looking at a white webpage for example. I have two weeks to exchange it if I feel the need to... I'm not sure what to do!

It is good that you have staff at your local store who are aware of the problem, I would try to exchange it.

[BlueArctos]

So how is light moved from the outside of the screen to the centre?
I'm sure Apple will just replace the whole lid of the MBP.
Pulling apart an LCD screen would be incredibly difficult with anything other than robotics, I should think.

I've intentionally (and unintentionally) separated the layers of many LCD screens while conducting various repairs. Most often I was forced to break open LCDs to replace their CCFLs (EXTREMELY DIFFICULT the first time).

To answer your question regarding lighting - a white diffusion panel allows bright light sources at the edges of an LCD panel to communicate light to all reaches of the display. You seem to be familiar with the physics of light (http://science.howstuffworks.com/light11.htm) (you theorized fiber optics earlier). Diffusion panels are manufactured using a material which allows them to facilitate the transfer and projection of light on a seemingly flat surface in all directions.

The best way to understand the concept is to crack open an old LCD and separate the layers.

[PDE]

You also forgot to mention the princely sized 21" NEC 2180WG-LED backlit monitors that can be had for a measly sum of $4000 :rolleyes:

$2500 is peanuts when you are in this area. If your work is that important and worth that much (to you) shell out the bucks. Considering the C2D chip alone in the MacBook Pro probably costs Apple at least $500 (well retail pricing in units of 1000 is $650 ea, but Apple probably get a better deal) you really do not have that much headroom in terms of budget when it comes to delivering screen wise.

I am not being an Apple fanboi here, many here remember how pissed I was with the 9C60 screens, but hey... this is actually a good screen. By the way even PVA screens show colour distortion when off centre, and if you expect to see a IPS screen on a laptop you got to be fracking joking, because even the big name monitor companies like Eizo have moved away from IPS to PVA for cost saving measures.

For a laptop screen the LG (without the tint and other weirdness that is) is actually pretty damned good. I would grade it to a 86% relative to my 2080UX+, which while old is still a very good professional grade monitor (way better than the crud the ACD is by the way).

If you honestly believe there is such a thing as a laptop LCD monitor that is as good as a "pro" desktop monitor, you are insane, seriously.

Repeat after me: no matter what a laptop can never, by definition, out perform a desktop workstation.


Abosolutely agree. All I ask for in a laptop display is that it's:

- evenly illuminated so that it's consistent corner to corner
- no tint anywhere - again, for consistency
- no grain
- enough viewing angle that the display doesn't get in the way when using it under ordinary circumstances. you should be able to move a little to the side without distortion.
- 8 bit would be great, but for most purposes 6 bit works too.

When I need something more accurate I use a desktop LCD. I think we need to accept that technology for notebook displays is what it is right now.

I agree that the LG display is excellent - unless it has the yellow tint like mine does.....in which case it's not so excellent.

[dcv]

More like color banding. Check the image below. Is that what appeared on your screen?


I'm confused. Is it supposed to look like that image (http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=76372&d=1181664671) with the horizontal line through the green or not? :confused:

[Erasmus]

I've intentionally (and unintentionally) separated the layers of many LCD screens while conducting various repairs. Most often I was forced to break open LCDs to replace their CCFLs (EXTREMELY DIFFICULT the first time).

To answer your question regarding lighting - a white diffusion panel allows bright light sources at the edges of an LCD panel to communicate light to all reaches of the display. You seem to be familiar with the physics of light (http://science.howstuffworks.com/light11.htm) (you theorized fiber optics earlier). Diffusion panels are manufactured using a material which allows them to facilitate the transfer and projection of light on a seemingly flat surface in all directions.

The best way to understand the concept is to crack open an old LCD and separate the layers.

Cheers!

Unfortunately, I don't have an LCD panel I'm willing to "sacrifice to the God of Knowledge" just yet. But we'll see.

I still don't see how a diffusion panel wouldn't result in a dark centre with bright outside... Maybe if its diffusion properties varied or something it would work?

Thanks anyway. :)

[BlueArctos]

Cheers!

Unfortunately, I don't have an LCD panel I'm willing to "sacrifice to the God of Knowledge" just yet. But we'll see.

I still don't see how a diffusion panel wouldn't result in a dark centre with bright outside... Maybe if its diffusion properties varied or something it would work?

Thanks anyway. :)
Have you ever handled one of those LightWedge LED (http://www.lightwedge.com/prod_original.html) book lights? The technology is not exactly similar, but it might help to think of the panel as a lens... save that the diffusion layer is white.

Are you a photographer? Have you ever used a lightbox/softbox/light diffusion box? Those tools generally use a white fiber to bounce light in all directions internally to produce, literally, a box of light.

[Erasmus]

Have you ever handled one of those LightWedge LED (http://www.lightwedge.com/prod_original.html) book lights? The technology is not exactly similar, but it might help to think of the panel as a lens... save that the diffusion layer is white.

Are you a photographer? Have you ever used a lightbox/softbox/light diffusion box? Those tools generally use a white fiber to bounce light in all directions internally to produce, literally, a box of light.

Nope. Although I think I'm getting an idea as to how it works. Obviously light is capable of bouncing around inside the diffusion panel/optical fibres for quite a while, averaging out any dark patches, before being "diffused".

I use lights all the time in Physics, except they are usually conceptual point sources, so not much help.

[SandmanTR]

Talked to Apple yesterday and they forced me to go through stupid troubleshooting. They had 'never heard of this problem' and said there was no engineering review of the displays. Since I have the yellow tint and a non-functioning right arrow key, they told me it would be silly to send it in for repair if I can just return it for a replacement. I agree. It's going back to amazon and I'm going to get another one at the Apple Store on Monday just so that it would be easy to replace if something is wrong again.

The yellowish tint IS a noticeable and my choices are either to use the default ColorLCD profile and have the whole screen be yellowish, or to use a calibrated profile and have one third yellow at the bottom of the display. . I have been trying to get used to it but, quite frankly, why should I? I'm hoping that this is not the beginning of another display fiasco. I was very excited when I first got the computer because apple had dealt with both the grain and the uneven illumination, but it's not acceptable to me that there is a yellow hue. I wish Apple could use the same displays as many other manufacturers. When I look in stores, they mostly look great and I'd be satisfied with most of them. I'm asking for: even illumination, no grain, good contrast, little edge bleeding, white whites and black blacks. It's not like the technology doesn't exist, but for some reason apple is having trouble using it.



I'll report back when I get the new one. I'm hoping it will be fine.

I spent a couple of hours at the Newport Beach, CA store. The place where I bought my new MBP. I do have the matte 9C68 display. I had a couple of the Genius crew looking at the screen, as well as (2) of sale folk, and ALL of them saw the problem immediately. I'm glad to see that they didn't blow it off...

...however, after booting up (3) new MBP's all with 9C68's screens, I figure I'll wait a bit, see how things play out and go the AppleCare route. My laptop is flawless, albeit the screen and (2) of the MBP's we booted out of the box had KP's.

I will get this screen fixed!

[danerz]

Is there any way to tell before opening the box what model the screen is 9C67, 9C68 etc. Would rather get a good one first time.

[mayoko185]

Is there any way to tell before opening the box what model the screen is 9C67, 9C68 etc. Would rather get a good one first time.
From what Iv read around here there are both good and bad screens for both 9C67 and 9C68, I personally have a 9C68 in mine with no color issues.

[PDE]

From what Iv read around here there are both good and bad screens for both 9C67 and 9C68, I personally have a 9C68 in mine with no color issues.

I was by the NYC SOHO store today and looked at some more screens. It really seems that there are good and bad ones among both. I saw very uneven illumination on a 9C68 and yellow on 9c67, and then I saw two almost perfect ones of both. There's no reason to it - just luck! Time to play the apple quality roulette again....argh!

[SandmanTR]

Is there any way to tell before opening the box what model the screen is 9C67, 9C68 etc. Would rather get a good one first time.

There is not. You need to boot into the machine to check.

[iDive]

I spent a couple of hours at the Newport Beach, CA store. The place where I bought my new MBP. I do have the matte 9C68 display. I had a couple of the Genius crew looking at the screen, as well as (2) of sale folk, and ALL of them saw the problem immediately. I'm glad to see that they didn't blow it off...


Interesting, I spent an hour at our Apple store here today and the "genius" was telling me that the gradient (yellow cast) was because of the viewing angle. He wouldn't allow me to exchange and we called the manager. The manager immediately brought me another one (also with 9C68, I found out after I booted it up). The one I have now has a much less pronounced yellow bottom, so I think I will keep it.

I kinda wanted to ask for another one until I got a 9C67, but they had two 9C67's on display that were worse than my 9C68. It is pretty subtle though, I think 90% of the buyers are not aware of this problem (and will never be), so I think Apple will never acknowledge it either.

Has any of you guys brought this issue up at the official Apple Support forums?

[otispunkmeyer]

damn i almost had a heart attack when i switched my 15inch MBP on for the first time

i had small ripling waves travelling down the screen from both upper coners!

thankfully once OSX had set itself up it cured itself, and now it only happens ever so slightly on only one website i visit and even then its just the front page.

www.finalgear.com

the dark grey design that uses patterned squares i get that moving wave effect, oddly it travels right to left for the left hand side and left to righ on the right hand side.

if i put that part of the web page in the screens center though it goes away. pretty odd. but its only one website and on a page that gets displayed for as long as it takes the forums to load up so its not a big deal.

my concern is the colours....rather washed out. but i guess i have been spoilt with my 8bit IPS panel in my dell 2005FPW