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MacRumors
Jun 30, 2007, 01:03 PM
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One day after the iPhone release, and the reviews and impressions are rolling in. Reader reviews are being posted to this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=321623) with other areas for iPhone Accessory (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=108) and iPhone Application (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=105) discussion. We've also had regional discussion (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104) about buying an iPhone at the Apple Store, with our own Katie's buying experience (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/06/29/iphone-night-katies-experience/) at http://www.macrumors.com/iphone (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/)

Despite with what appears to be a high number of sales, iPhones are still available (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070630-iphones-iplenty-the-sell-out-that-wasnt.html") at most Apple Stores (check availability (http://www.apple.com/retail/iphone/)) -- though we have heard that several AT&T stores sold out last night due to minimal inventory.

John Gruber posted (http://daringfireball.net/2007/06/iphone_first_impressions) his first impressions of the device:
Overall day one impression: the iPhone is 95 percent amazing, 5 percent maddening. I’m just blown away by how nice it is – very thoughtful UI design and outstanding engineering. It is very fun.
• I haven’t found a single element of the iPhone UI that doesn’t feel super-snappy.
• Can rotate to landscape in either direction.
• Notes app is lame (photo) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/664623675/)
• Calendar is "very nice".
• "When you’re done with an app, you just tap the Home button. What happens to apps when you do this is not exposed; there’s no concept of quitting or closing, just switching. I think this is a great design, I’m just having trouble getting used to it."

Support pages at Apple (http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/) with tech notes and troubleshooting have appeared. The biggest issue that has plagued people has been activation problems. Users have been discussing the problem (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=322126), but Tech-Recipes (http://blogs.tech-recipes.com/davak/2007/06/29/multiple-iphone-activation-errors/) spoke to AT&T support last night who unhelpfully advised: "they were having bugs with validation and that we should retry every 30 minutes or so until it works."

More galleries: Disassembly photos (http://thinksecret.com/archives/iphonetakeapart/) from ThinkSecret, ZDNet Unboxing (http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-92828.html).

Web developers can take note that Ajaxian.com has compiled (http://ajaxian.com/archives/iphone-safari-notes-and-quirks) some impressions of the Safari browser with respect to web development:
• Safari sets default width as 980px of not width is set.
• Drag / drop elements based on mousemove events don't work since dragging one finger around causes iPhone Safari to scroll
• You do not get “mousedown” when you touch the screen. You get “mousedown” and “mouseup” at the same time when you release your finger. The “mousemove” event does not seem to fire at all.

Perhaps most interesting is that PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,133636-pg,1/article.html) has tried its own stress tests on the iPhone (Video (http://www.pcworld.com/video/id,545-page,1-bid,0/video.html)). They put the iPhone through Scratch Tests and Drop Tests.
Scratch Test: When the iPhone emerged with its screen just as pristine as when it went in, we then attempted to gouge the screen with one of the keys. We were very impressed that even this deliberate attempt to scratch the screen completely failed.
Drop Test: The iPhone not only continue to work after each drop test, impressively it still looked good as well. The only obvious damage suffered was a few gouges along its metal edge from the concrete drops. But it came out without a scratch on its glass screen, despite our best efforts to mar it in repeated tests of both types.

We'll be compiling ongoing iPhone notes and developments at http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/



i0Nic
Jun 30, 2007, 01:10 PM
Gruber makes a lot of interesting observations and discusses a lot of the limitations.

He pointed out that the calendar app has no To-Do's, which is a bummer to me as I use it extensively. Since notes are not able to be synced to your mac either, this leaves me in the dark without a good solution.

I hope Apple update this or I'll be waiting for a nice 3rd party 'to-do list' web app that I can update from my mac and on my iphone.

netdoc66
Jun 30, 2007, 01:10 PM
AT&T has me at 6000 degrees right now. I can see the blood boiling behind my eye sockets.:eek:

psycoswimmer
Jun 30, 2007, 01:10 PM
The stress tests seem really great for the phone.

i like the idea of switching, and not closing apps. This will make "faux-apps" in Safari much more usable (like One-Trip; being able to keep your list always open until you actually close that tab).

mikeinternet
Jun 30, 2007, 01:14 PM
I'm loving mine!
Have a few ideas to tweak things. But im hopeful the updates will be sweet and swift.

Frisco
Jun 30, 2007, 01:14 PM
It hurts me everytime he drops it. I am calling Family Services ;)

tlhash
Jun 30, 2007, 01:21 PM
I picked up my phone last night at local ATT store in Central CA(Visalia). I got to the store at 7:17, and they had 3 phones left, all 8 gig. They were sold out before I left. After talking to 4 employees, it looks like the received 66 phones, but they would not say for sure. Apple's confidentiality rules make it hard to get FACTS. I brought it home, upgraded to 7.3, and activated the phone in about 5 minutes. I'm an existing ATT customer. It took about 15 minutes to load the phone with music, one movie, one tv show, two email accounts, and 1200 pics. All total, 5.7 gigs. The main reason I got the phone was for email on the road. So far it seems to be working better than expected. After 12 hours with the phone, I would give it an 8.5 out of 10.

carltabet
Jun 30, 2007, 01:23 PM
It hurts me everytime he drops it. I am calling Family Services ;)

I absolutely wanna cry when they torture it like that. The screen is resistant enough to rest in one's pocket with keys and coins but who would want to do that?

TuffLuffJimmy
Jun 30, 2007, 01:32 PM
notes is the ugliest!:eek: I can't believe apple would put something like that on a beautiful iPhone. It looks like something out of a comic book, and it has next to no use.... Oi that is upsetting because I wanted something like text edit to jot things down on. textedit on the iphone would be a dream come true :)

nickspohn
Jun 30, 2007, 01:33 PM
that stress test is brutal.

i was wanting him to throw it up in the air.

-nickspohn

elppa
Jun 30, 2007, 01:34 PM
Looks like they went to a big effort to make sure people can show off their beautiful phones without wrapping a case around them.

Obviously learning from all the complaints about the first generation nano.

Part of it is that glass can be made virtually scratch proof (they do it on watches), it is a much harder trick to pull off with plastic.

CBJammin103
Jun 30, 2007, 01:35 PM
Wow, they couldn't even damage it when they TRIED to? That's a feat of presently underestimated proportions, I think, seeing as most electronics require deliberate and active care to prevent damage and wear.

I wasn't going to get one, but all you people with your crazy reviews... I was planning on upgrading from Macbook --> Pro, but it may have to be Macbook --> Macbook and iPhone!

CTYankee
Jun 30, 2007, 01:39 PM
saw one guy had 10 of them for $900 on Craigs list. Sucker...the availability checker has them in stock everywhere. If they do sell out I'm sure there are plenty in the wings.

Great way to create a marketing buzz...make it seem like they would run out and let people freak and generate hype.

shawnce
Jun 30, 2007, 01:51 PM
Hello from the iPhone. So far I am like this thing and don't find it hard to type on this thing with two thumbs. :)

Oh it only took about 3 min to activate.

Cybergypsy
Jun 30, 2007, 01:53 PM
Loving mine and even bought a second for my son...

macjackpro
Jun 30, 2007, 01:55 PM
I agree. That notes app is fugly. But guess what. It looks a lot like Leopards notes feature in Mail.app. Did all the designers at apple recently quit or something?


notes is the ugliest!:eek: I can't believe apple would put something like that on a beautiful iPhone. It looks like something out of a comic book, and it has next to no use.... Oi that is upsetting because I wanted something like text edit to jot things down on. textedit on the iphone would be a dream come true :)

nydoofus
Jun 30, 2007, 01:56 PM
The keys stress test is pretty impressive. I was worrying about scratches with a huge LCD like that.

neonart
Jun 30, 2007, 02:01 PM
This is really great news. The scratching on the iPod and nano impacted Apple stock alot. The fact that the iPhone is so resistant will be great news.

I'm on my 8gb typing this and it's amazing. It does everything so well! It makes using a mobile device a pleasure.

macnews
Jun 30, 2007, 02:07 PM
I need to watch the video but from the sounds of it - wow! Glad to hear it seems to resistant to real world stresses. One stress I would LOVE to see done is someone running and then dropping the phone on to concrete and rough asphalt. This has happened to me several times over the years with my phones. The holster case gets weak over time or the phone is in my dress shirt pocket while I run to a meeting and BAM - on the ground goes my phone. All my phones have survived with just scratches luckily but I would like to have the same assurance with an iPhone.

danvdr
Jun 30, 2007, 02:17 PM
Microsoft sold (they say) a million Zunes in it's first 7 months (Nov.- June); wonder how long it will take for the first million iPhones. (Maybe somebody could make a poll of this question--just needs to be done quickly or it'll be too late :)

nydoofus
Jun 30, 2007, 02:20 PM
Microsoft sold (they say) a million Zunes in it's first 7 months (Nov.- June); wonder how long it will take for the first million iPhones. (Maybe somebody could make a poll of this question--just needs to be done quickly or it'll be too late :)

I don't usually take Microsoft's numbers too seriously since they like to engage in channel dumping (basically flooding the retail channels with tons of items). They did a similar thing with the Xbox 360 right before Xmas. They dumped lots of 360's into the distribution channel in order to meet their goal of 10 million sold. Since those are all counted as "sold" they can make their PR numbers. However, since now the retailers have all the 360's they'll need for months, their numbers have hardly moved since then. I am pretty sure they did a similar thing with the Zune.

Manic Mouse
Jun 30, 2007, 02:20 PM
I actually really like the look of the Notes app. It looks like a very nice notepad, what more could you expect?

I wonder what other applications Apple will be adding in the future...

BevvyB
Jun 30, 2007, 02:20 PM
Well

Time, what can I say? The success of this baby is certain with these kind of articles coming out...

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1639068,00.html

kemer
Jun 30, 2007, 02:24 PM
Anyone in activation hell? I started at 10 last night. Still nothing.

Talked to an ATT rep and he said up to 24 hours. He also said to leave the iPhone connected to your computer for that time, because it needs to be there ready when ATT's servers come through...

Suppose I shouldn't have taken the sim card out to put in my old phone so I could actually make calls today... hmm...

Another 24 hours?

... this is kind of ridiculous ...

jat543
Jun 30, 2007, 02:26 PM
hey, i just got the iphone and i want to make the most out of the battery life, how long do you recommend charging it for the first time i charge it. I bought an extended battery for another cell phone some time ago and it said charge that for like 8 hours to make sure i get the most of it even though it was fully charged after about 3 and i was wondering if its the same deal with the iphone

ricosuave
Jun 30, 2007, 02:38 PM
overall the experience with the iPhone was positive. The activation was not as smooth.

I am posting this on my iPhone!!!

am I the first?

addicted44
Jun 30, 2007, 02:39 PM
I agree. That notes app is fugly. But guess what. It looks a lot like Leopards notes feature in Mail.app. Did all the designers at apple recently quit or something?

I think that is a very deliberate design decision apple has made regarding notes, and other similar ephemeral note taking systems (since you cannot save it to a file or anything). It remids users that this is basically only for jotting down a thing or two, but not intended for saving that information for long periods of time. The playful font, and icons reinforce its limitations, IMO.

addicted44
Jun 30, 2007, 02:45 PM
I don't usually take Microsoft's numbers too seriously since they like to engage in channel dumping (basically flooding the retail channels with tons of items). They did a similar thing with the Xbox 360 right before Xmas. They dumped lots of 360's into the distribution channel in order to meet their goal of 10 million sold. Since those are all counted as "sold" they can make their PR numbers. However, since now the retailers have all the 360's they'll need for months, their numbers have hardly moved since then. I am pretty sure they did a similar thing with the Zune.

Unlike Nintendo, Microsoft reports the units shipped to retailers as sold. (Nintendo reports units purchased by consumers. I believe Apple does the same for the ipods, but i may be wrong about that). So its very likely that the Zune numbers are also units sold to retailers, rather than to end consumers.

yagran
Jun 30, 2007, 02:47 PM
I am posting this on my iPhone!!!

am I the first?

not by like 100 people

bravedeer
Jun 30, 2007, 02:48 PM
It's not sold out. Apple doing a good job of predicting demand. Hopefully it won't sell out and Apple will be able to match the demand with production.

Sold out = unhappy customers and no $$$
In Stock = happy customers and $$$

:)

Darkroom
Jun 30, 2007, 02:49 PM
i like the Notes application... it's suitable and cute...

yagran
Jun 30, 2007, 02:51 PM
I think that is a very deliberate design decision apple has made regarding notes, and other similar ephemeral note taking systems (since you cannot save it to a file or anything). It remids users that this is basically only for jotting down a thing or two, but not intended for saving that information for long periods of time. The playful font, and icons reinforce its limitations, IMO.

well said. its a notes app . get over people it rofl

Manic Mouse
Jun 30, 2007, 02:51 PM
i like the Notes application... it's suitable and cute...

Darn tootin'! I can imagine Veronica Mars jotting down important clues on it.

ricosuave
Jun 30, 2007, 02:53 PM
not by like 100 people

one out of a 100?!! I feel special:D jk

ricosuave
Jun 30, 2007, 03:02 PM
The notes app is pretty enough for my taste. My son likes the way it animates towards the trash when you do not want to save. Also there is animation as the new page "flips" to a new sheet.

However, like others have commented, it would be nice to sync those notes with the mac and not have to email the note.

On the bluetooth feature, I cannot get this thing to communicate with my mac. After I get it to connect with the bluetooth prefs, the bluetooth icon on the iPhone will not switch to blue as in connected...:(

dicklacara
Jun 30, 2007, 03:02 PM
one out of a 100?!! I feel special:D jk

...like a U.S. Senator?

michelle21
Jun 30, 2007, 03:02 PM
Its completely sold out in michigan...

I need some advice, I have an order in with the apple store , placed at 6:03 yesterday.. they say 2- 4 weeks.

I called att and they said with direct fullfillment I could get it in 3-5 business days, so:

Should I cancel my apple order and go with direct fullillment, or is that an over optimistic delivery estimate.

please help I need to make a decision today.

pale9
Jun 30, 2007, 03:03 PM
just activated my phone in the go phone mode as i happen to have fraud alert on my credit reports. which suits me fine as i use less than 200 voice minutes a month. now, even though i agreed for att to debit my credit card automatically for $50 plus taxes each month, am i, or am i not in a 2 year contract?????

foniks2020
Jun 30, 2007, 03:10 PM
Until there's an online office app fully supported on iPhone, or even regardless of such... I'd say your best bet for word processing, etc. would be to use an email draft.... it's probably as good as textedit. Wish I had an iPhone to test out on :(

I know lots of people who use gmail as their online text editor of choice... keep journals, write memos, even various reports, etc... it's great for basic word processing, so Mail.app should be even better on iPhone.

stagi
Jun 30, 2007, 03:11 PM
I have been using it non-stop since last night around 8:00 and am very impressed, the UI is outstanding and the apps work so smooth. I just got back from the San Jose Oakridge store to pick up a car charger and they are now sold out of the 8GB models and just have a few more of the 4GB left. I also overheard they will have more supply in tomorrow (sunday??)
I am surpirsed most stores have them for sale and hope they do sell out sometime this weekend so their stock dosn't take a beating on monday.

shemp9999
Jun 30, 2007, 03:17 PM
I scratched my iPhone without even trying. :eek:

I keep my phone in my pocket. with bills and coins. it's either that or with the keys and knife.

oi vay.

Lixivial
Jun 30, 2007, 03:18 PM
John Gruber posted (http://daringfireball.net/2007/06/iphone_first_impressions) his first impressions of the device:

• I haven’t found a single element of the iPhone UI that doesn’t feel super-snappy.

Gruber hasn't put it through its paces then. By far the weakest link in this regard is Safari. Having multiple pages processing at the same time -- and indeed javascript heavy websites -- can really bog down the phone. So much so that input changes, including orientation changes (which is also part of the UI), lag behind when they were actually committed.

When I'm using Meebo.com and have a song playing, the sign in process seems to, for whatever reason, stop the iPod randomly. Safari doesn't always feel "super-snappy."

irun5k
Jun 30, 2007, 03:28 PM
To spite what some people are saying, the iPhone is essentially sold out for some parts of the country. We have one AT&T store and it sold out quickly- apparently they got 40 units but some people think it was less, or some of them were sold to friends and family instead of customers.

So while it is great that the Apple stores still have stock, these stores aren't everywhere. Lots of people don't have one. I can understand overstocking the Apple stores and under-stocking the surrounding AT&T stores. It makes some sense to centralize the inventory in a particular geographic area.

However, in areas where there are no Apple stores, they should have adequately stocked the AT&T stores since that is the only source.

Of course there is store.apple.com, with a 2-4 week wait that could be longer (or presumably shorter, nobody knows.)

Or you can pay $900 for on e-bay.

Anyway, it is just a phone, not like it is food or medicine. But it is a nice phone, and it would be nice if I could go out and buy one right now, but I can't. The worst part is the AT&T stores have no idea when they'll be getting more in. If I was in charge of the AT&T retail locations I'd be pissed- the iPhone was a great way to get more customers in your door, but that only works if you have the product. It seems messed up for the Apple stores to have plenty of stock right now and AT&T to have "no idea" when they're getting more in.

Oh well, enjoy your phones! :)

shawnce
Jun 30, 2007, 03:30 PM
Gruber hasn't put it through its paces then. By far the weakest link in this regard is Safari. Having multiple pages processing at the same time -- and indeed javascript heavy websites -- can really bog down the phone. This isn't a desktop computer... :)

IronChef
Jun 30, 2007, 03:31 PM
CNBC unveils the Jesus Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZofH2Qmk4)

marvingaye
Jun 30, 2007, 03:33 PM
They had them in stock at the Novi Apple Store this afternoon.

Its completely sold out in michigan...

I need some advice, I have an order in with the apple store , placed at 6:03 yesterday.. they say 2- 4 weeks.

I called att and they said with direct fullfillment I could get it in 3-5 business days, so:

Should I cancel my apple order and go with direct fullillment, or is that an over optimistic delivery estimate.

please help I need to make a decision today.

ricosuave
Jun 30, 2007, 03:34 PM
Until there's an online office app fully supported on iPhone, or even regardless of such... I'd say your best bet for word processing, etc. would be to use an email draft.... it's probably as good as textedit. Wish I had an iPhone to test out on :(

I know lots of people who use gmail as their online text editor of choice... keep journals, write memos, even various reports, etc... it's great for basic word processing, so Mail.app should be even better on iPhone.

Good suggestion foniks2020. Your solution works, but I wish it was more elegant. There is no save button when composing mail, you have to cancel instead of send. Then a pop up will ask if you want to save or delete.

Yoram
Jun 30, 2007, 03:35 PM
No idea how long this has been about, but it's quite a good review of the iPhone (from NYTimes). The site is in German (we're working on making it english in the future), but oh well, clearly we too are gagging for an iPhone :)
http://tinyurl.com/3ca7oz

For those too lazy to go the apple site - here's the iPhone Tips compilation:
http://tinyurl.com/3csfhv

manu chao
Jun 30, 2007, 03:37 PM
The screen is resistant enough to rest in one's pocket with keys and coins but who would want to do that?

For Europe, subtract the coins. Very few people over here (except for some southern and south-eastern European countries) carry coins in their pockets.

iPoodOverZune
Jun 30, 2007, 03:41 PM
AT&T has me at 6000 degrees right now. I can see the blood boiling behind my eye sockets.:eek:

if this related to activation issues, this may help
just found out from appleinsider that some activation issues (related to number porting) are related to entering different zip code that does not match with the area code of your current phone number. Hope this help some people


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/30/how_to_port_ineligible_mobile_numbers_to_att_and_iphone.html

manu chao
Jun 30, 2007, 03:49 PM
For some reason, using anything other than the marker felt font [in Dashboard stickies] looks odd to me. Without marker felt it does not look informal enough. I associate the imitated handwriting of marker felt with a non-permanent status, something preliminary, temporary. A piece of information that either won't be needed for a long time (like typing out a shopping list just feels wrong) or for which I need to still find a more permanent place.

Lixivial
Jun 30, 2007, 03:53 PM
This isn't a desktop computer...

You are correct, thankfully. ;)

Here's the problem, though. When you switch out of Safari for a length of time and come back to it, Safari reloads the pages. With these multiple pages processing concurrently, the phone can be bogged down significantly. It seems to be worse on dynamic websites, or if you have a large image as one of the pages.

Anyroad, it doesn't happen all the time, but I've noticed it a few times with two pages open.

Arcus
Jun 30, 2007, 03:56 PM
Got mine today. Loving everything (including the Notes app :) )

ATT is waiting for Verizon to switch my old numberr so I havent tested voicemail yet, but everything else works.

Best purchase ever. Period.

Object-X
Jun 30, 2007, 04:02 PM
Overall, I'm impressed with my iPhone. I agree with Gruber's criticisms, but they are pretty minor complaints, and could easily be fixed with software updates. If this is all Apple has to fix then they are looking real good.

It needs cut and paste; it also needs double-tap select for deletes rather than one character at a time.

I find the internet to be very useful. I've already used it to plan a route to a few different stores. I used to do this on my computer before I left, but now, on the road, I can find stuff. Love it!

Activation took all of two minutes. Syncing is fast and simple. The screen is extremely bright and easy to see in the glare of sunlight.

The iPhone is a game changer for sure. Replacing my laptop with an iMac...the new ones of course. Waiting....

cal6n
Jun 30, 2007, 04:03 PM
For Europe, subtract the coins. Very few people over here (except for some southern and south-eastern European countries) carry coins in their pockets.

Eh? What are you on about? Where do they keep their coins then?

imwoblin
Jun 30, 2007, 04:18 PM
Overall this thing is really slick. I can only think of a few " need to have now" applications. MMS, iChat and voice calling for bluetooth headsets. I am finally happy with a cell phone!

shawnce
Jun 30, 2007, 04:41 PM
As a data point ... I am getting around 125kbps when on EDGE.

Dimwhit
Jun 30, 2007, 04:43 PM
I have no idea where to ask this, or if it's been asked an answered already, but I'm going to ask anyway...

Is there a way to change the keyboard layout? Like changing it to the Dvorak layout as an example?

svento
Jun 30, 2007, 04:59 PM
I got my iPhone yesterday... and its definitely awesome. I've read for months about the lack of MMS and it didn't seem like a big deal to me since I could always email pictures to people (and most mobile networks let you email directly to a cell phone anyway). However I just experienced the worst part of this limitation: When you receive an MMS picture message, your notification is an SMS txt message with a web page to go to and a pretty long message id and password to type in. This would be fine since Safari can open up the page, however the SMS message does not include the "http://www." part -- so the SMS app doesn't recognize it as a web link. Combine that with the lack of copy/paste, and you have very little hope of being able to view the picture message on your phone without a pen and paper handy!

This is an unfortunate situation because the fix is so easy -- in the SMS message that is sent, simply include the "http://" part and include the message id and password in the url. That way all you do is click on the link and Safari pops up with your picture message!

shawnce
Jun 30, 2007, 05:03 PM
This is an unfortunate situation because the fix is so easy -- in the SMS message that is sent, simply include the "http://" part and include the message id and password in the url. That way all you do is click on the link and Safari pops up with your picture message! Sounds like you hit on a bug... I doubt anyone intended that you have to type any aspect of a URL.

mrrory
Jun 30, 2007, 05:08 PM
Eh? What are you on about? Where do they keep their coins then?

Coins = shrapnel = annoying. I never carry coins anywhere.

NewSc2
Jun 30, 2007, 05:27 PM
Coins = shrapnel = annoying. I never carry coins anywhere.

so you just throw away all the change you have upon receipt of them?

Stridder44
Jun 30, 2007, 05:31 PM
that stress test is brutal.

i was wanting him to throw it up in the air.

-nickspohn



lol oh please, are you kidding? I know it's not as complex, but they were running the iPod nano over with a car, and finally had to throw it as high as they could into the air and let it drop to the ground until it finally stopped working.

manu chao
Jun 30, 2007, 05:34 PM
Eh? What are you on about? Where do they keep their coins then?
In your purse or wallet (or whatever you want to call it):
http://www.sammler.com/mz/images/geldbeutel2.jpg
http://www.adpic.de/data/picture/detail/Geldbeutel_56517.jpg

Having loose change in your pockets is a bit associated with poor, rural, foreign people over here.

DaftUnion
Jun 30, 2007, 05:35 PM
AT&T has me at 6000 degrees right now. I can see the blood boiling behind my eye sockets.:eek:

lol...it's not funny but how you worded it was. I'm in the same boat...I walked out with a blazing trail of fire coming out of there with there "exchange" policy.

odedia
Jun 30, 2007, 05:36 PM
The stress test looked incredible.

I think anyone with an iPod worried about the durability of this device more than anything.

Nice job, Apple.

dogtanian
Jun 30, 2007, 05:38 PM
Coins = shrapnel = annoying. I never carry coins anywhere.

I'll keep my pennies anyday thankyou...

dogtanian
Jun 30, 2007, 05:50 PM
In your purse or wallet (or whatever you want to call it):
http://www.sammler.com/mz/images/geldbeutel2.jpg
http://www.adpic.de/data/picture/detail/Geldbeutel_56517.jpg

Having loose change in your pockets is a bit associated with poor, rural, foreign people over here.

Where on earth do you live? What odd traditions you have.

Cybergypsy
Jun 30, 2007, 05:53 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1070/675733453_eb6d071619_b.jpg

Transeau
Jun 30, 2007, 05:57 PM
... Still loving my HTC 8525. Pulling 900k~1.3mb on the train home right now. I'm sure all the iPhone lovers are loving the Edge only support. Maybe Steve didn't realize that all the WiFi Hotspots don't cover the Metro lines. :)

Anyway, I wouldn't mind having one, but it would not my be main phone. I enjoy my 3G HSDPA too much.

iQuit
Jun 30, 2007, 06:04 PM
Only my second day with it and I'm already getting attatched!

Pros:

1. Interface is very "snappy"
2. Nothing short of the REAL Mac OSX underpinnings.
3. Relying on the keyboard's intelligence makes typing very fast.
4. Youtube videos on EDGE look better than any phone I've used.
5. Sound quality is almost audiophile.
6. The viewing angle is above average.
7. The screen is clear in any lighting condition.
8. No bugs found yet.
9. EDGE network is fairly fast.
10. Activation, mail, and syncing was easy to setup.

Cons:

1. Speakerphone could be louder.
2. No video capture.
3. No unlimited minutes.
4. No flash in safari.
5. The Bluetooth doesn't seem fully featured.
6. Keyboard (in safari) slows down when there is not a stable connection.
7. Wallpaper doesn't apply to home screen.
8. No multimedia messages.
9. No keychain or autofill.
10. No way to organize icons.

queshy
Jun 30, 2007, 06:05 PM
i wouldnt want a super fancy note taking program...it's just to jot something down real quick...it shouldn't be fancy. less is more sometimes! but maybe they fired apple's design team in order to hire more iPhone engineers...

catdog02481
Jun 30, 2007, 06:19 PM
... Still loving my HTC 8525. Pulling 900k~1.3mb on the train home right now. I'm sure all the iPhone lovers are loving the Edge only support. Maybe Steve didn't realize that all the WiFi Hotspots don't cover the Metro lines. :)

Anyway, I wouldn't mind having one, but it would not my be main phone. I enjoy my 3G HSDPA too much.

Funny, I just returned a Blackberry 8830 back to Verizon after realizing i could get outlook web access on safari which was fast enough on edge; would have been nice to have 3G hopefully coming soon. At home and office and most places in between wifi is freely available.

spotlight07
Jun 30, 2007, 06:19 PM
I got my 8GB iPhone in hand at about 6:14PM on Friday. I was seventh in line at the AT&T store of about 57 people. We don't have an Apple Store here. Nobody had to camp out. First person in line was there at 9AM, I was there at noon. Three news crews came by, one came back again for a follow up. Not everyone was going to get one, the AT&T employee said that a fair number (10-15) were in a gray area. I didn't stick around to find out if they actually got one or exactly how many there were.

Activation of the iPhone was really easy on iTunes and took less than five minutes. I was not an AT&T customer and I didn't want to cancel my other service so I opted for a new number. Maybe that's why it was so fast and easy.

First, I want to say that the iPhone is a *lot* to take in at once. I watched all the videos beforehand and it still packs a bunch of features, tons of them undocumented. I'm still finding new things that it does.

The keyboard is really great. The dictionary works great and when you're trying to spell something not in the dictionary, you can hold you finger down on the keys and slide it until you get the right key. That's a great feature.

A small gripe for Mail, it does not have a spam button (at least not for Yahoo Mail, which is what I was trying.)

Safari was my main reason for getting the phone. I have to say that it does disappoint me a little tiny bit. Informationally, the web is all there. But you can only click and scroll. No double click or drag and drop, so 3rd party apps are going to really be limited on this phone.

And finally, my main gripe is that Safari sometimes adds extra space to the right of many different pages. The iChess and listingly 3rd party apps designed to fit the page have to be pinch-zoomed in order to see them even though they are only 320 pixels wide. (The page appears to be 750-1000 pixels wide by default.)

I have to say I love this phone and I can live with the couple of annoyances because this is one %&*# sweet @$# phone! Very glad I got it. If you haven't already, go buy yours *now*!

ngdesign
Jun 30, 2007, 06:23 PM
Wow, they couldn't even damage it when they TRIED to? That's a feat of presently underestimated proportions, I think, seeing as most electronics require deliberate and active care to prevent damage and wear.

I wasn't going to get one, but all you people with your crazy reviews... I was planning on upgrading from Macbook --> Pro, but it may have to be Macbook --> Macbook and iPhone!

I just upgraded my Macbook to Macbook Pro..
NO $$$ for the iPhone now.. but still i am happy with my machine and old phone :)

TahoeGuy
Jun 30, 2007, 06:26 PM
After having used the iphone now for nearly 24 hours, I'm totally in lov with it and wouldn't trade it for anything but a newer 3G iPhone, hopefully with the following improvements:

1) 3G
2) A louder speakerphone
3) A louder earpiece volume (internal)
4) The ability to email calendar appointments to others.
5) The ability to reorder the stocks that I track so that I see them in the order I want regardless of the order I entered them in

These are minor gripes. But they're all fixable and would make a better product in the future.

Way to go Apple!

Heijtink
Jun 30, 2007, 06:26 PM
Talking about change in your pocket. You can keep your change. But as for me. I just only pay electronically. I live in The Netherlands (Europe) and there are hardly any senario's where I (notice the "I") need lose change. Just swipe your card and type in your PIN (Personal Identification Number) and you're done. Saver, faster and more iPhone friendly I suppose. Even though the stress tests seem to conclude in the favor (or favour) of the iPhone. I lived in the UK where having change in your pocket is far more common. Even for me. All the corner stores and news agencies required you to have cash if you desired to purchase things.

I wonder how much space of the 8GB is used for the OS on the phone. I also wonder whether it's easy to upgrade the memory at a later date. Maybe iFixit will help us out in this area. I wonder whether its a software or hardware limitation that you can't record video.

I hope that the next "gen" iPhone includes:

- GPS (or something equivelant).
- No MMS as that's just old-fashioned. Email is the way forward. Just as the first iMac's didn't include a floppy drive. Every revolutionary product needs to add features but also leave some out. In order to set the next level.
- VNC. It would be nice to be able to control you computer at home. You migth not have all the features on the iPhone but why not use your computer and then connect to your computer with SFTP.
- Your iPhone should be able to read for you your text messages and emails so when you're driving or other things you can still be up-to-date.
- Have a download folder where you can put random stuff in from your computer and where you can download anything into from your safari or mail apps.
- Last but not least a bluetooth or wifi sync option wher you don't have to link your phone to your computer everytime but can just be in the house and it will sync as soon as you're around or in the house.

And yes we have now a way to use files from iMovie, iPhoto, iTunes, Safari, Mail but the iChat is still missing.

Greetings,

Clix Pix
Jun 30, 2007, 06:31 PM
Took it to work this afternoon and showed it off and experimented with work's internet access, then went to the store and sat in the parking lot and again checked my email before going in (just because I could)....in the store I had fun taking photos of a couple of my favorite (regular) sales people. Heading home I realized that oops, the battery was almost exhausted so as soon as I got in the door I popped it on to the power adapter charger....

This is one slick piece of technology! So far I don't have any complaints -- a couple of things about which I was confused turned out to be user error and I'm still trying to get the hang of typing on the thing, but it is truly a wonderful device far and beyond a mere telephone....

pale9
Jun 30, 2007, 06:36 PM
for those of you not around long enough to know about the at&t breakup last century, the beast has returned!!!

thanks to nydoofus for pointing this comedy central graphic out to me.

http://megaplex.com/images/new att.jpg

watch the whole scetch here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2004785759717366066

Cybergypsy
Jun 30, 2007, 06:39 PM
I got my 8GB iPhone in hand at about 6:14PM on Friday. I was seventh in line at the AT&T store of about 57 people. We don't have an Apple Store here. Nobody had to camp out. First person in line was there at 9AM, I was there at noon. Three news crews came by, one came back again for a follow up. Not everyone was going to get one, the AT&T employee said that a fair number (10-15) were in a gray area. I didn't stick around to find out if they actually got one or exactly how many there were.

Activation of the iPhone was really easy on iTunes and took less than five minutes. I was not an AT&T customer and I didn't want to cancel my other service so I opted for a new number. Maybe that's why it was so fast and easy.

First, I want to say that the iPhone is a *lot* to take in at once. I watched all the videos beforehand and it still packs a bunch of features, tons of them undocumented. I'm still finding new things that it does.

The keyboard is really great. The dictionary works great and when you're trying to spell something not in the dictionary, you can hold you finger down on the keys and slide it until you get the right key. That's a great feature.

A small gripe for Mail, it does not have a spam button (at least not for Yahoo Mail, which is what I was trying.)

Safari was my main reason for getting the phone. I have to say that it does disappoint me a little tiny bit. Informationally, the web is all there. But you can only click and scroll. No double click or drag and drop, so 3rd party apps are going to really be limited on this phone.

And finally, my main gripe is that Safari sometimes adds extra space to the right of many different pages. The iChess and listingly 3rd party apps designed to fit the page have to be pinch-zoomed in order to see them even though they are only 320 pixels wide. (The page appears to be 750-1000 pixels wide by default.)

I have to say I love this phone and I can live with the couple of annoyances because this is one %&*# sweet @$# phone! Very glad I got it. If you haven't already, go buy yours *now*! Ditto

dante@sisna.com
Jun 30, 2007, 06:47 PM
... Still loving my HTC 8525. Pulling 900k~1.3mb on the train home right now. I'm sure all the iPhone lovers are loving the Edge only support. Maybe Steve didn't realize that all the WiFi Hotspots don't cover the Metro lines. :)

Anyway, I wouldn't mind having one, but it would not my be main phone. I enjoy my 3G HSDPA too much.

Different Stroks I guess. That HTC's not for me.

joelk
Jun 30, 2007, 07:05 PM
going on 24 hours and absolutely no regrets. it is simply awesome. i'm two thumb typing pretty easily ... not quite as fast as my prior BB but pretty damn close.

granted there are plenty of rough edges (figuratively ... the thing i beautiful) to round off ... i'd love to have a simulated, small, optional, light to indicate emails of sms' you miss ... similar to a BB except on the screen ... if that is possible from a battery management standpoint.

really looking forward to the surprises that will surely come via download updates.

nagromme
Jun 30, 2007, 07:49 PM
I tried one today despite the crowds, expecting 2 things to take some practice to get good at:

1. Pressing with the right pressure

2. Typing

Neither one was at ALL difficult. The unit works even better then I'd imagined, and is also amazingly small/thin in person.

I will nonetheless wait for version B :) But it will not be an easy wait...

frohde
Jun 30, 2007, 07:49 PM
I picked up my iPhone last night and thus far, I am perfectly happy with the device itself - it does most everything that the hype has promised. HOWEVER, a key issue I ran into is the fact that AT&T does not allow you to dial any numbers outside of the US for the first 90 days if you are a new AT&T customer - this is regardless of your credit score!!! I've spent over 3 hours on the phone with AT&T customer support thus far and they have not been able to make an exception yet, I have a superprime credit score and my average T-Mobile bill has been about $500 per month over the last three years.

SO BUSINESS USERS - BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU CAN NOT CALL ANYONE OUTSIDE THE US WITH THE iPHONE FOR AT LEAST 90 DAYS AFTER YOU BUY IT.

I'm sure Apple didn't think of this when they partnered with the AT&T crooks... I for one will return my iPhone and stay with Blackberry until AT&T comes up with a plan that covers business users with international dialling.

michelle21
Jun 30, 2007, 07:56 PM
They had them in stock at the Novi Apple Store this afternoon.

Thank you , thank you very much, I went over to the Novi store, 36 miles from my home and picked up a 4gb, would of liked the 8gb but just couldn't justify the other 100.00.

Canceled my online order while I was at the store, very busy... probably will sell out soon.

Never thought I would have 2 cell carriers but I do, I can't give up my evdo but I love this little device.

Of course we have 5 working apple computers in the house, so geeks anyway. I do java programming and the os is very close to unix we use at work.

I love that you can set up a vpn connection with this.
Again thanks

manhattanboy
Jun 30, 2007, 07:59 PM
i played with the iPhone for 30 minutes today and here are my main gripes:

1) the Keyboard
It is very difficult to type on in vertical mode!

2) Youtube
How do you get it to search the youtube database?

3) Portrait versus landscape
Why can't I get things to appear in landscape mode...it seem only select things appear that way.

4) What was I supposed to be blown away by?
So far, google maps, email, the web, music, videos, appointments, and calls were all done decently by phones costing $70 or less....:confused:

mambodancer
Jun 30, 2007, 08:06 PM
I have no idea where to ask this, or if it's been asked an answered already, but I'm going to ask anyway...

Is there a way to change the keyboard layout? Like changing it to the Dvorak layout as an example?

I had to laugh at this a bit. You do realize that the DVORAK keyboard layout was designed for ten finger touch typing on a full sized keyboard as an improvement over the QWERTY keyboard? I'm not sure how 2 finger typing is going to be improved by changing to a DVORAK keyboard layout.

Having said that however, it is entirely possible that the key layout could be/should be changed for faster 2 finger typing. That was the original impetus for the DVORAK (for 10 fingers, not two).

Has anyone seen any research papers on this topic? It might be interesting to explore.

Dimwhit
Jun 30, 2007, 08:17 PM
I had to laugh at this a bit. You do realize that the DVORAK keyboard layout was designed for ten finger touch typing on a full sized keyboard as an improvement over the QWERTY keyboard? I'm not sure how 2 finger typing is going to be improved by changing to a DVORAK keyboard layout.

Having said that however, it is entirely possible that the key layout could be/should be changed for faster 2 finger typing. That was the original impetus for the DVORAK (for 10 fingers, not two).

Has anyone seen any research papers on this topic? It might be interesting to explore.

Well, for one, I would want the Dvorak layout because it's what I'm used to. Just like to have the keys where I used to, that's all. Just as I'm sure when it's available in France, they'll want the 'y' and 'z' flipped like they're used to.

As for a two-fingered layout, I'm not sure if one has been done. I know that there are one-handed keyboard layouts, but I've never used them.

coffey7
Jun 30, 2007, 08:41 PM
The negative is that every single person i am know(friends, family and customers i deal with) all have verizon phones. if I call them I use up my minutes fast. With my verizon phone I call them all free and can talk all day long. I have never met anyone that uses at@t service.

johnee
Jun 30, 2007, 09:01 PM
In the iphone scratch/drop test video, he should have performed the following after the drop test:

1) try to connect to a wireless network
2) make a call
3) receive a call

I'm interested if any antenna problems occurred (which is remote as the antenna isn't really affected by physical movement).

But more interesting is the speaker/microphone/ringer. Typically those are the problem areas other than the keyboard in other phones.

brownieguy19
Jun 30, 2007, 09:20 PM
Has anyone notcied when you put the iPhone in the dock there are little holes at the bottom and then the holes direct sound to an opening which reflects off the surface the dock is on essentially creating louder music? Similar to the way they bounced sound off the powerbook 12'' screen?

Am I crazy? Or is this really designed like this and way cool!

Stella
Jun 30, 2007, 09:32 PM
How long does the batteries last for - describe your iPhone usage!

brownieguy19
Jun 30, 2007, 09:55 PM
still calibrating for the most part...

I activated mine this morning and charged it for a little while during sync and activation and have used it pretty much straight for 8 hours and it is still going strong.

EDGE is slow, much slower than my Treo 700p on Sprint, but the phone is so much quicker with everything so I think it is a wash. Not to mention when you get on the WiFi it blows the Treo out of the water. Not to mention the ease of use with full blown web pages. Amazing, well done Steve and Apple.

In love with the iPhone.

Complaints:

I really wish Google Maps was something a little different/better than what Google Maps was on the Treo. It is the exact same, just a few little eyecandy touches, (Apple of course).

The speaker on the road was hard to hear.(Southern California's loud freeways, 101, 405, 210)

My Belkin car charger with the built in audio out works for charging the phone but doesn't play the music through the dock. Also, the audio out on the actual phone is small, and most third party plus you will find are two big, two wide...

zoozx
Jun 30, 2007, 10:03 PM
Please someone explain to me how you download, compress or whatever. to get a movie you can watch on a iphone. Most movies are over 4 gb so how does this work on a 4 gb iphone?
Plus a fee of 59.99 which will end up being $70 a month with the ridiculous taxes,......$70 a month are you kidding me????
Who needs this?..... do you really need to yack and flap your gums that much on a phone to justify that????
thanks.

brownieguy19
Jun 30, 2007, 10:13 PM
Please someone explain to me how you download, compress or whatever. to get a movie you can watch on a iphone. Most movies are over 4 gb so how does this work on a 4 gb iphone?
Plus a fee of 59.99 which will end up being $70 a month with the ridiculous taxes,......$70 a month are you kidding me????
Who needs this?..... do you really need to yack and flap your gums that much on a phone to justify that????
thanks.


Movies on iTunes are usually 1-2 gb. Pirates of the Caribbean for example a 2.5 hour movie is only 1.6 gb.

Dimwhit
Jun 30, 2007, 10:33 PM
Movies on iTunes are usually 1-2 gb. Pirates of the Caribbean for example a 2.5 hour movie is only 1.6 gb.

And ripping an existing DVD with Handbrake makes, I believe, and even smaller file. For current video iPods, a 90 minute movie comes to about 500MB. Probably more for the iPhone resolution, though.

3D-Troll
Jun 30, 2007, 10:56 PM
I played with an iPhone in the apple store and was surprised how well the touchscreen worked. A co-worker will hopefully have picked up his iPhone and give me the chance to check out my Bluetooth stereo headphones on it. If the phone supports A2DP I might consider getting one. Otherwise I wait till it does.

Steffen

sachamun
Jun 30, 2007, 10:56 PM
Gruber makes a lot of interesting observations and discusses a lot of the limitations.

He pointed out that the calendar app has no To-Do's, which is a bummer to me as I use it extensively. Since notes are not able to be synced to your mac either, this leaves me in the dark without a good solution.

I hope Apple update this or I'll be waiting for a nice 3rd party 'to-do list' web app that I can update from my mac and on my iphone.

Google Docs is pretty good.

irun5k
Jun 30, 2007, 11:13 PM
So far, google maps, email, the web, music, videos, appointments, and calls were all done decently by phones costing $70 or less....:confused:

If a $70 phone works for you than consider yourself lucky! You only have to spend 70 bucks when the rest of us spend $500! There are a TON of phones out there for sale, there ought to be just about something for everyone. Kinda like digital music players. An iPod isn't for everyone either, but luckily there are lots of other options.

However, you ought not be surprised that not everyone in the world has the exact same interests, tastes, and desires as you. This is the reason why you can buy a car for around $12K or spend a $100K... something for everyone. That is what makes a free society great!

Personally, I totally don't relate well to the wine connoisseur crowd. For me, a $3 bottle of Arbor Mist tastes better than a $50 bottle. However, I don't care if they want to hype up their $50 wines. There is probably something that I personally just don't have the capacity to appreciate. Either way, let them have their wine!

I spent about 5 minutes with the iPhone and knew right away that this was a drastic change in the way of doing business. This is a first generation product. Look at the first iPod. This is great foundation to build upon. Meanwhile, what have the other guys done in the last 10 years? Not much. They've thrown more "capabilities" into the package... adding cameras, bluetooth, etc. But they've largely been "strapped on." Nobody (until now) has take a fresh look at how to integrate all these things.

carltabet
Jun 30, 2007, 11:46 PM
For Europe, subtract the coins. Very few people over here (except for some southern and south-eastern European countries) carry coins in their pockets.

Oh yeah, I live in Paris and I never carry coins in my pockets. I also make sure I never put my mobile phone together with my keys. Doing otherwise would be sadistic!

imacdaddy
Jul 1, 2007, 01:12 AM
I picked up my iPhone last night and thus far, I am perfectly happy with the device itself - it does most everything that the hype has promised. HOWEVER, a key issue I ran into is the fact that AT&T does not allow you to dial any numbers outside of the US for the first 90 days if you are a new AT&T customer - this is regardless of your credit score!!! I've spent over 3 hours on the phone with AT&T customer support thus far and they have not been able to make an exception yet, I have a superprime credit score and my average T-Mobile bill has been about $500 per month over the last three years.

SO BUSINESS USERS - BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU CAN NOT CALL ANYONE OUTSIDE THE US WITH THE iPHONE FOR AT LEAST 90 DAYS AFTER YOU BUY IT.

I'm sure Apple didn't think of this when they partnered with the AT&T crooks... I for one will return my iPhone and stay with Blackberry until AT&T comes up with a plan that covers business users with international dialling.

Boy that is really stupid. A work around is to go to jajah.com to place an international call.

MrCrowbar
Jul 1, 2007, 09:08 AM
I had to laugh at this a bit. You do realize that the DVORAK keyboard layout was designed for ten finger touch typing on a full sized keyboard as an improvement over the QWERTY keyboard? I'm not sure how 2 finger typing is going to be improved by changing to a DVORAK keyboard layout.

Having said that however, it is entirely possible that the key layout could be/should be changed for faster 2 finger typing. That was the original impetus for the DVORAK (for 10 fingers, not two).

Has anyone seen any research papers on this topic? It might be interesting to explore.

I happen to type almost exclusively using the DVORAK layout on my Macbook. It's made for 10 finger typing, all vowels are on the left hand and you don't have to stretch out the pinky as much as with QWERTY touch typing. Basically, it's optimized for left-right-left-right hand use. However I don't really touch type like you're supposed to, i.e. rest the index fingers on the nudged keys. My hands move around a little, most words can be done with one or 2 hand strokes, like playing a chord on a piano.

I just typed the above paragraph using my thumbs to type (on a Macbook) in DVORAK. It's kinda hard because I don't have the thumb motions memorized and looking at the keyboard only confuses me (QWERTY keyboard...), but I can imagine having the keyboard in DVORAK on the iPhone could make typing faster. On the other hand, the error correction would not work as good, since the vowels in DVORAK are all next to each other. If you type "hot", the error correction might think it's "hit" or "hat" or "hut", all of which are actual english words. So that might be a pain in the :apple: ss.

Does anyone know if you can change the language on the iPhone? Does the leyboard layout change if you select spanish as the default language?

EDIT: PM me if you want more info. I don't constantly check all the threads. I also have iChat if you like that :-)

Dimwhit
Jul 1, 2007, 09:29 AM
On the other hand, the error correction would not work as good, since the vowels in DVORAK are all next to each other. If you type "hot", the error correction might think it's "hit" or "hat" or "hut", all of which are actual english words. So that might be a pain in the :apple: ss.

That's a really good point. I never thought of that.

koobcamuk
Jul 1, 2007, 09:50 AM
Eh? What are you on about? Where do they keep their coins then?

We use wallets. I would never have loose notes and coins in my pocket. But then again, I use one pocket for a phone, another for my wallet. Keys in the back maybe. Keys are a pain though.

em500
Jul 1, 2007, 09:51 AM
If you type "hot", the error correction might think it's "hit" or "hat" or "hut", all of which are actual english words. So that might be a pain in the :apple: ss.

Interesting example. How does the current qwerty implementatio handle "hit", "hut", and "hot"?

koobcamuk
Jul 1, 2007, 09:54 AM
Talking about change in your pocket. You can keep your change. But as for me. I just only pay electronically. I live in The Netherlands (Europe) and there are hardly any senario's where I (notice the "I") need lose change. Just swipe your card and type in your PIN (Personal Identification Number) and you're done. Saver, faster and more iPhone friendly I suppose. Even though the stress tests seem to conclude in the favor (or favour) of the iPhone. I lived in the UK where having change in your pocket is far more common. Even for me. All the corner stores and news agencies required you to have cash if you desired to purchase things.


I think if it's less that 5 ($10) then we use cash usually. It's a pain in the ass, but that's life. We also use wallets. I never see a guy from England have a pocket full of coins jingling around.

ElenaM19
Jul 1, 2007, 09:58 AM
The iPhone is amazing. Jobs is right; the bar has been officially raised. I've had two smartphones, the Palm 700p and the Motorola Q. To say that these two devices pale in comparison is a huge understatement. I expected the Edge network to be so slow, but I really don't think it is slower than using the Palm or Windows Mobile internet options. Both of those were frustrating and slow and the result was a tiny little window that barely made it worth having. Safari on the iPhone with Edge service is a huge improvement. With WiFi, it blows them away. I love the iPhone and I'm glad I decided to jump in right away. Worth every penny.

koobcamuk
Jul 1, 2007, 10:04 AM
Having loose change in your pockets is a bit associated with poor, rural, foreign people over here.

And the homeless.

wnurse
Jul 1, 2007, 10:16 AM
It's not sold out. Apple doing a good job of predicting demand. Hopefully it won't sell out and Apple will be able to match the demand with production.

Sold out = unhappy customers and no $$$
In Stock = happy customers and $$$

:)

Interesting interpretation. Usually, not sold out indicates that demand was not that hot or that apple overestimated demand. I've never heard a company says.. we are happy we did not sell out, indicates our product is hot.

The key really is not whether it's in stock but how long?.. too many days on the shelf is not good (there's a reason why companies strive to manage inventory levels so that it closely matches consumer demand.. too many units and you have an inventory problem).

I think the equation should be

sold out = hot demand
in stock = not so hot demand.

At least in apple case, this implies consumers are not that impressed with it's products or are impressed but cannot afford.

pev
Jul 1, 2007, 10:36 AM
SO BUSINESS USERS - BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU CAN NOT CALL ANYONE OUTSIDE THE US WITH THE iPHONE FOR AT LEAST 90 DAYS AFTER YOU BUY IT.
I had this with Vodaphone in the UK - solution was to pay up front and put my account into credit which worked just fine. I'm sure AT&T should let you do the same? If you spend $500 month then pay in a $500 credit now...

~Pev

AWShuttleworth
Jul 1, 2007, 10:37 AM
I'm posting this from my iPhone, too, and I've gotta say that everything I was worried about isn't a problem. After a day of light usage only, I'm already as quick at thumb-typing as the guy at the end of the keyboard demonstration video on the Apple site. EDGE is so much faster than I expected... Totally tolerable for on-the-go browsing. And activation for me was literally instantaneous.

I'm not sure what they people complaining are on about... This is the best- executed 1.0 software I have ever seen. I can't wait to see where this goes from here -- this is huge.

pev
Jul 1, 2007, 10:39 AM
I never see a guy from England have a pocket full of coins jingling around.
You never been out drinking in the UK then I take it?!

~Pev

gotohamish
Jul 1, 2007, 10:47 AM
You never been out drinking in the UK then I take it?!

~Pev

I'll second that. I love the 1 note in Scotland!

Yankees 4 Life
Jul 1, 2007, 10:47 AM
watching them drop that phone and scratch it up made me wince a lot. I am so glad that the thing held up pretty well to all that abuse, but i still bought an incase case and a crystal film. Best purchase ive made in a very long time. As a matter of fact I am typing on this thing right now! I love it!

koobcamuk
Jul 1, 2007, 10:49 AM
You never been out drinking in the UK then I take it?!

~Pev

Many times. c'mon dude... even my dad has a wallet. *Everyone* uses them.
Apart from tramps. Actually, I saw a tramp with a wallet once. Might not have been his though...

iPhone looks nice. Give it 3G and let's see which provider gets it... it's Vodafone not Vodaphone by the way.

note235
Jul 1, 2007, 10:50 AM
Okay so some impressions.
I have used this amazing little device for about 2 days now.
Okay so once i thought i saw a scratch, i tried to wipe it but would not come off.
Pretty hard too.
Then i concentrated on that spot and the scratch dissapeared.

aidensocal
Jul 1, 2007, 11:17 AM
So it definately needs more than 20 ringtones, especially if you can not install new ones! This is the FIRST thing they need to address with software update. Most of the ringtones installed on it, even on the highest volume setting, can not be heard while driving in your car with the ac on. Also, AT&T paperwork and disclaimers state that all iPhone plans have free instant messaging and MMS included, although the phone can not do it. As a proud recipient of 2 class action settlements from cingular for this same type of omission in the past, this is something that definately needs to be addressed or people will throw a fit, a legal one!

The UI is great and I am getting great battery life. I actually have already dropped it and not even a scratch on it! Very impressed with the ruggedness of such and elegant looking phone. I remember dropping my razor only to marvel at how quickly the back would pop off and battery would fly out. This one is definately a little tank when it comes to "oopses"

ps the keyboard needs a ~ key!

xnu
Jul 1, 2007, 12:10 PM
Activation - 1 for 2. First iPhone is still waiting since Saturday morning. 2nd took 2 minutes.
Battery Life - better than expected, better than hope for, just simply great.
Keyboard - no big deal, works much better than I had hoped, typing is really easy and very accurate.

Something we may have overlooked, Steve used this thing for 6 months, so you can say it is up to Steve's standards, and it shows. Homerun, redefines the phone.

MacKenzie999
Jul 1, 2007, 12:31 PM
Hey everyone...

Waltzed right into Apple yesterday and 5 minutes later I walked out with an iPhone. Setup was painless, total time from deboxification to full service was about ten minutes, including porting my number from Sprint.

Here's my question though...I have a pair of cheapo Benwin speakers on my desktop, and when the iPhone gets within a couple of feet of them they intermittently buzz. Is this because of Bluetooth (which I've had little need for until now)?

Other than that, no complaints, I absolutely love this thing. I felt guilty about not waiting for v2 on my way over, but now that I have it in my hands I feel 0% buyers' remorse. It's better than I imagined.

Thanks
-Mike

plumbingandtech
Jul 1, 2007, 12:37 PM
Here's my question though...I have a pair of cheapo Benwin speakers on my desktop, and when the iPhone gets within a couple of feet of them they intermittently buzz. Is this because of Bluetooth (which I've had little need for until now)?


I think its when the radio pushes/pulls email from the cloud.

My blackberry does this.. I am amazed the iphone does this.. I moved it a foot away from the speakers and that solves it.

ifjake
Jul 1, 2007, 01:53 PM
Here's my question though...I have a pair of cheapo Benwin speakers on my desktop, and when the iPhone gets within a couple of feet of them they intermittently buzz. Is this because of Bluetooth (which I've had little need for until now)?


yeah, cheapo speakers aren't typically magnetically shielded and will tend to make sounds due to radio activity from phones and other devices.


on a side note, i think the touch-screen keyboard actually performs superbly. within 2 or 3 minutes of me just messing around with an iPhone in an Apple Store, i was able to pick up the typing speed quite a bit, as well as the whole typing process generally becoming more fluid. their correction algorithms work great, once you let go and let them work. once i actually have a decent income (recent college grad), and due to the fact that i have yet also to own just a regular iPod, i will most definitely purchase an iPhone as soon as i'm financially able.

YourHippocampus
Jul 1, 2007, 02:15 PM
Only my second day with it and I'm already getting attatched!

Pros:

1. Interface is very "snappy"
2. Nothing short of the REAL Mac OSX underpinnings.
3. Relying on the keyboard's intelligence makes typing very fast.
4. Youtube videos on EDGE look better than any phone I've used.
5. Sound quality is almost audiophile.
6. The viewing angle is above average.
7. The screen is clear in any lighting condition.
8. No bugs found yet.
9. EDGE network is fairly fast.
10. Activation, mail, and syncing was easy to setup.

Cons:

1. Speakerphone could be louder.
2. No video capture.
3. No unlimited minutes.
4. No flash in safari.
5. The Bluetooth doesn't seem fully featured.
6. Keyboard (in safari) slows down when there is not a stable connection.
7. Wallpaper doesn't apply to home screen.
8. No multimedia messages.
9. No keychain or autofill.
10. No way to organize icons.

As good a breakdown as I've seen anyone do online, thanks.

Looks like an A- for rev. 1 iPhone and that is FANTASTIC for any new electronic device!! BTW, how did those first Blackberries and Palms fare?!

Your "cons" look like good things to send in for the first updates, esp. keychains/autofill since they reduce your reliance on keyboarding.

Organizing icons is present on some menus, but they need to happen everywhere and a nice darkening of the wallpaper on the home screen would be an easy, nice touch. Anything to allow even the perception of personalization of the UI is going to be important.

I'm not sure why so many people want video capture, but maybe I'm too old school. The problems with not having instant messaging also seems to me to be easy fixes though streamlining the email flow would be better. I'd rather send quick emails with photo and audio attachments, rather than merely instant message because I have more friends with email than who IM.

YourHippocampus
Jul 1, 2007, 02:31 PM
Interesting example. How does the current qwerty implementatio handle "hit", "hut", and "hot"?

Simply by having the vowels well spaced, you are less likely to hit the wrong one accidently. This reduces garbage in, which is the best way of reducing garbage out.

svento
Jul 1, 2007, 02:53 PM
I don't think I've seen this reported yet... I just took the SIM card out of my activated iPhone and turned it on and everything appears to work except calls and EDGE data of course. But this might be useful to someone who wants to use their iPhone SIM card in another phone and still be able to use the iPhone for music and movies and web over wifi, etc.

piodiaz
Jul 1, 2007, 03:02 PM
I have an Infiniti G35 with a Peripheral brand car adapter to listen to my iPod using the XM port, but it does not work with the iPhone, when I plug the iPhone the audio comes out the iPhone speakers, not the car, I know that is connected becuase it charges the iphone, so there is connection.

riddlebox
Jul 1, 2007, 03:19 PM
I think its when the radio pushes/pulls email from the cloud.

My blackberry does this.. I am amazed the iphone does this.. I moved it a foot away from the speakers and that solves it.

I've always had this problem with cingular with all my phones and near any speakers (TV, Bose computer speakers). Its from the cell service not blue tooth. Not really sure why it happens but I just move them apart a little and it stops.

oilster
Jul 1, 2007, 04:28 PM
complete nonsense, where do you have that idea from?

In your purse or wallet (or whatever you want to call it):
http://www.sammler.com/mz/images/geldbeutel2.jpg
http://www.adpic.de/data/picture/detail/Geldbeutel_56517.jpg

Having loose change in your pockets is a bit associated with poor, rural, foreign people over here.

Tazthecat
Jul 1, 2007, 05:16 PM
Google Docs is pretty good.

I tried using Google Docs with the iPhone but when I clicked (I guess that would be tapped) in the text area nothing happened. Maybe I am just doing something wrong (a good possibility) but unless there is a change that causes the keyboard to come up when you are in the text area, Google docs will not be very useful. I was suprised that it came up though...

PS: Google spreadsheet still says it doesn't support Safari so no joy an the spreadsheet either.

-ron-

Lionheart
Jul 1, 2007, 05:26 PM
I actually really like the look of the Notes app. It looks like a very nice notepad, what more could you expect?

I wonder what other applications Apple will be adding in the future...

I agree...I think it's kinda cool. I was surprised by the negative comments about it. Reminds of the old days when we actually used to take notes with those things called pencils and legal pads (I wonder how many of you ever used one of those... :))

Oh well...different strokes for different folks! Maybe they'll offer a more high tech skin as an option in a future upgrade.

catdog02481
Jul 1, 2007, 06:38 PM
I don't think I've seen this reported yet... I just took the SIM card out of my activated iPhone and turned it on and everything appears to work except calls and EDGE data of course. But this might be useful to someone who wants to use their iPhone SIM card in another phone and still be able to use the iPhone for music and movies and web over wifi, etc.


WOW, genius!
So would it be possible to use that card in a BB curve from att and use data and phone or would att check the phone is not iphone and block access?

jadedragon
Jul 1, 2007, 07:04 PM
In case you haven't seen it, MobileTechReview posted an in-depth review of the iPhone. Here is the link for you:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/iPhone.htm

liberty4all
Jul 1, 2007, 11:33 PM
What truly sucks about iPhone next to say the Palm Treo 755p is its inability to handle MP3 streams (.pls files) or AAC Plus...

Also, there is no Finder or equivalent, so when you download files via Safari, they go into a black hole apparently! Safari does not hand off mp3 streaming to the iPhone's iPod/iTunes SW, or whatever it's called...

They should add Powerpoint viewing, video recording, a terminal application for shell access, and the ability to mount the iPhone as a hard drive...

Clearly Apple has some work to do...

Digitalclips
Jul 1, 2007, 11:35 PM
Has any one thought about the fact the Apple could start making UIs for a host of products? Think about Microwave Ovens as just one example! We have several and not one has a consistent, intelligent or logical interface. There are limitless products out there that could run a small version of OSX and a great UI.

Digitalclips
Jul 1, 2007, 11:42 PM
I have an Infiniti G35 with a Peripheral brand car adapter to listen to my iPod using the XM port, but it does not work with the iPhone, when I plug the iPhone the audio comes out the iPhone speakers, not the car, I know that is connected becuase it charges the iphone, so there is connection.

I just had to pay $350 for an iPod interface in my new Jeep Limited.

Does any know if the iPhone would work on this? It is the a MOPAR fitting, the type where the iPod is controllable from the steering wheel buttons and iPod info shows on the radio display. The connector is the same as a dock.

Digitalclips
Jul 1, 2007, 11:45 PM
What truly sucks about iPhone next to say the Palm Treo 755p is its inability to handle MP3 streams (.pls files) or AAC Plus...

Also, there is no Finder or equivalent, so when you download files via Safari, they go into a black hole apparently! Safari does not hand off mp3 streaming to the iPhone's iPod/iTunes SW, or whatever it's called...

They should add Powerpoint viewing, video recording, a terminal application for shell access, and the ability to mount the iPhone as a hard drive...

Clearly Apple has some work to do...

Yep, Steve should have checked with you first, what was he thinking? Apple will never sell any. :rolleyes:

EagerDragon
Jul 2, 2007, 08:39 AM
See link below, people are already looking for ways to break into the phone and place malware.
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/xsk/iPhoneSecuritySettings.html

NevadaJack
Jul 2, 2007, 09:08 AM
Has anyone removed the SIM from the iPhone and then after replacing it in the iPhone, had to "re-activate" the phone before it will work again? Just wondering?

macintel4me
Jul 2, 2007, 09:09 AM
I wish my .mac account is more tightly integrated with my iPhone.

Here are a couple of things....

1) A sent email shows up in sent mailbox on the iPhone AND the desktop/web version.
2) Emails either replied to or forward to or are unread, show up consistently on both the iPhone AND the desktop/web version.

oscuh
Jul 2, 2007, 11:28 AM
Also, there is no Finder or equivalent, so when you download files via Safari, they go into a black hole apparently!

They should add Powerpoint viewing, video recording, a terminal application for shell access, and the ability to mount the iPhone as a hard drive...

I'd agree that if you download a file, you should be able to locate it, and that along those same lines you should able to mount the phone as a drive (if you in fact cannot.)

However, some of these "shoulds" are ridiculous. Powerpoint viewing? Terminal? Are you kidding? That's like people complaining that the iPhone should have a media card slot so you can view your photos directly from your camera without going through your computer. I guess the PC users who don't have iPhoto, well, I can see their point, but give me a break. Aside from the "which of the many types of media cards should we support?" question, you can quibble and nitpick to death, and for what? The sake of doing so?

While you're at it, why not complain that it doesn't have a built-in coffee maker or treadmill?

For a version 1, this things seems pretty damn awesome. I can't wait to get mine.

nacengineer
Jul 2, 2007, 12:24 PM
Just wanted to throw this up here for those interested...

I did an EDGE speed test today. From my home in Milwaukee, WI. The throughput tests as 127.4kbit/sec not too bad IMHO. Although I have noticed over the weekend when I went to Summerfest (downtown MKE) the EDGE network was MUCH faster. Regretabbly I didn't test it though...

However perhaps this is some insight for some.

nacengineer
Jul 2, 2007, 12:26 PM
I'd agree that if you download a file, you should be able to locate it, and that along those same lines you should able to mount the phone as a drive (if you in fact cannot.)

However, some of these "shoulds" are ridiculous. Powerpoint viewing? Terminal? Are you kidding? That's like people complaining that the iPhone should have a media card slot so you can view your photos directly from your camera without going through your computer. I guess the PC users who don't have iPhoto, well, I can see their point, but give me a break. Aside from the "which of the many types of media cards should we support?" question, you can quibble and nitpick to death, and for what? The sake of doing so?

While you're at it, why not complain that it doesn't have a built-in coffee maker or treadmill?

For a version 1, this things seems pretty damn awesome. I can't wait to get mine.

Not sure how you downloaded a file. Everytime I try it just says that Safari will not let you do this... so no blackhole here... but it will be nice when/if they add this functionality in the future. Although at 8GB... not sure what that does for maxing out the HDD.

oscuh
Jul 2, 2007, 12:56 PM
Not sure how you downloaded a file. Everytime I try it just says that Safari will not let you do this... so no blackhole here... but it will be nice when/if they add this functionality in the future. Although at 8GB... not sure what that does for maxing out the HDD.

My post was in reply to liberty4all's statement about downloading. I personally don't have an iPhone yet (hence the "I can't wait to get mine" statement :D )

If you can't download files via Safari, I'm wondering if his/her comment was based on actual experience or simply guesstimation of what the iPhone does or does not do. Interestingly, some of the "should-do's" of his/her post seem to have been taken, verbatim, from Seth Weintraub's review, specifically a Terminal app ... Interesting.

gogoman
Jul 2, 2007, 01:14 PM
Love it so far!! Look how nicely my two fav toys sync together:

http://gogostudio.com/iCayman.jpg

Yankees 4 Life
Jul 2, 2007, 02:42 PM
Has anyone removed the SIM from the iPhone and then after replacing it in the iPhone, had to "re-activate" the phone before it will work again? Just wondering?

um no, it works just fine... i replaced the iphone one with my other one...

manhattanboy
Jul 2, 2007, 05:01 PM
If a $70 phone works for you than consider yourself lucky! You only have to spend 70 bucks when the rest of us spend $500! There are a TON of phones out there for sale, there ought to be just about something for everyone. Kinda like digital music players. An iPod isn't for everyone either, but luckily there are lots of other options.

However, you ought not be surprised that not everyone in the world has the exact same interests, tastes, and desires as you. This is the reason why you can buy a car for around $12K or spend a $100K... something for everyone. That is what makes a free society great!

Personally, I totally don't relate well to the wine connoisseur crowd. For me, a $3 bottle of Arbor Mist tastes better than a $50 bottle. However, I don't care if they want to hype up their $50 wines. There is probably something that I personally just don't have the capacity to appreciate. Either way, let them have their wine!

I spent about 5 minutes with the iPhone and knew right away that this was a drastic change in the way of doing business. This is a first generation product. Look at the first iPod. This is great foundation to build upon. Meanwhile, what have the other guys done in the last 10 years? Not much. They've thrown more "capabilities" into the package... adding cameras, bluetooth, etc. But they've largely been "strapped on." Nobody (until now) has take a fresh look at how to integrate all these things.

Point taken...
I just want those people who said they are not buying an iPhone because of the cost to realize that there are very good phones that do most everything the iPhone does (and some things the iPhone can't do) for a LOT less (I have used those phones for years and realize that you may need to be more tech savvy than you would with the iPhone).

Unfortunately the same is not really true for the iPod...it's hard to find a comparable product that is hundreds of dollars cheaper. In this sense the analogy to the 1st generation iPod is appropriate, as when it first came out it was not the best mp3 player as far as storage or features or battery life. It was only through experience that Apple developed the iPod into the leading product. Maybe the same will be true of the iPhone...:)

clintob
Jul 2, 2007, 05:11 PM
I can't believe all the nit picking on here. This thing is completely unbelievable... it's by far the slickest, easiest phone/pda on the market, the email is brilliant, the ipod is unreal, and the web is far better than i imagined. it's perfectly acceptable over EDGE (in NYC at least) and it zips on WiFi.

What the hell is anyone complaining about? A Finder and Shell access? WTF? It's not a computer homey... it's a phone. Yes, it's a lot closer to a computer than anything before it, but it's still a phone so stop the nonsense.

liberty4all
Jul 2, 2007, 06:42 PM
Truly ridiculous that streaming audio is not possible via Safari...

Yes, iPhone is UNIX, and some power users want the flexibility to tap into the power...

Powerpoint viewing is needed for business.

So much of the iPhone is not configurable by the end-user, in contrast to the Palm Treo -- in part because of lack of true 3rd party apps, and being a 1.0 release... I am sure it will improve in time...

I'd agree that if you download a file, you should be able to locate it, and that along those same lines you should able to mount the phone as a drive (if you in fact cannot.)

However, some of these "shoulds" are ridiculous. Powerpoint viewing? Terminal? Are you kidding? That's like people complaining that the iPhone should have a media card slot so you can view your photos directly from your camera without going through your computer. I guess the PC users who don't have iPhoto, well, I can see their point, but give me a break. Aside from the "which of the many types of media cards should we support?" question, you can quibble and nitpick to death, and for what? The sake of doing so?

While you're at it, why not complain that it doesn't have a built-in coffee maker or treadmill?

For a version 1, this things seems pretty damn awesome. I can't wait to get mine.

clintob
Jul 2, 2007, 06:54 PM
Truly ridiculous that streaming audio is not possible via Safari...

Yes, iPhone is UNIX, and some power users want the flexibility to tap into the power...

Powerpoint viewing is needed for business.

So much of the iPhone is not configurable by the end-user, in contrast to the Palm Treo -- in part because of lack of true 3rd party apps, and being a 1.0 release... I am sure it will improve in time...

Poor 3rd party development and unnecessary user allowances are exactly what make the Treo and others difficult to use and ultra prone to bugs, nits, and issues. Despite what you may think, since you're obviously a "power user", 99% of the iPhone using public (many of whom are professionals and highly technically savvy) have no use or interest in shell access. If you want to make a point for other things (Flash support, Powerpoint - yuck, or even simple things like copy and paste) be my guest. But shell access is really silly.

appledock
Jul 2, 2007, 07:12 PM
Does anyone know anything about the possibilities of being able to print to a network or bluetooth printer?

shigzeo
Jul 3, 2007, 07:27 AM
but, as far as I know, using DVORAK only helps if you are typing in English. It is such a great idea, but since it is localised, it won't make much a difference to the outside of the English speaking countries.

golly

I happen to type almost exclusively using the DVORAK layout on my Macbook. It's made for 10 finger typing, all vowels are on the left hand and you don't have to stretch out the pinky as much as with QWERTY touch typing. Basically, it's optimized for left-right-left-right hand use. However I don't really touch type like you're supposed to, i.e. rest the index fingers on the nudged keys. My hands move around a little, most words can be done with one or 2 hand strokes, like playing a chord on a piano.

I just typed the above paragraph using my thumbs to type (on a Macbook) in DVORAK. It's kinda hard because I don't have the thumb motions memorized and looking at the keyboard only confuses me (QWERTY keyboard...), but I can imagine having the keyboard in DVORAK on the iPhone could make typing faster. On the other hand, the error correction would not work as good, since the vowels in DVORAK are all next to each other. If you type "hot", the error correction might think it's "hit" or "hat" or "hut", all of which are actual english words. So that might be a pain in the :apple: ss.

Does anyone know if you can change the language on the iPhone? Does the leyboard layout change if you select spanish as the default language?

EDIT: PM me if you want more info. I don't constantly check all the threads. I also have iChat if you like that :-)

Yankees 4 Life
Jul 3, 2007, 09:28 AM
one thing i have noticed, is that the keyboard gets slower when the page is loading, and the phone gets kinda warm sometimes...

oh, and there should be ichat soon... please?

megfilmworks
Jul 3, 2007, 12:08 PM
The iPhone is amazing. Jobs is right; the bar has been officially raised. I've had two smartphones, the Palm 700p and the Motorola Q. To say that these two devices pale in comparison is a huge understatement. I expected the Edge network to be so slow, but I really don't think it is slower than using the Palm or Windows Mobile internet options. Both of those were frustrating and slow and the result was a tiny little window that barely made it worth having. Safari on the iPhone with Edge service is a huge improvement. With WiFi, it blows them away. I love the iPhone and I'm glad I decided to jump in right away. Worth every penny.

I totally agree!!

megfilmworks
Jul 3, 2007, 12:14 PM
... Still loving my HTC 8525. Pulling 900k~1.3mb on the train home right now. I'm sure all the iPhone lovers are loving the Edge only support. Maybe Steve didn't realize that all the WiFi Hotspots don't cover the Metro lines. :)

Anyway, I wouldn't mind having one, but it would not my be main phone. I enjoy my 3G HSDPA too much.

I think "Steve" knows that the future is wifi, and 3G, which is blazingly slow and power hungry, is an unfortunate middle step that must be dealt with.

netdoc66
Jul 4, 2007, 11:09 PM
Not sure how you downloaded a file. Everytime I try it just says that Safari will not let you do this... so no blackhole here... but it will be nice when/if they add this functionality in the future. Although at 8GB... not sure what that does for maxing out the HDD.



one way to fix this would be to have your downloaded files go straight to your .mac account and have a .mac file viewer in that last row of iapps. That would work well for me.

tacomaboy
Jul 5, 2007, 03:36 AM
I'm very happy with my iPhone! It is simple to use, visually appealing, and a huge step forward. I'm looking forward to future software updates. I'm sure they will fix the kinks. So far, Safari has failed the most. However, I had a few other features fail as well. But these are minor annoyances. In the end, it is still a great device and I'm very pleased!

The screen is so pretty I had to go through my photo library and make some iPhone specific wallpaper. Here's a link the the Wallpaper:

http://web.mac.com/tacomaboy/iWeb/iPhone/Wallpaper.html

DiamondMac
Jul 5, 2007, 08:34 PM
Very happy with my iPhone

Love the ease of features
Love the weather option
Love the feel/look
Love the keyboard

Dislike battery life
Dislike Edge speed

clintob
Jul 5, 2007, 08:43 PM
Dislike battery life
Dislike Edge speed

Can't speak to your EDGE speed, as it's different in all areas. I'm in NYC and I have to say that with some rare exceptions, EDGE really zips for me? My email is virtually instant (maybe 3 or 4 seconds?) and web browsing is reasonably quick all things considered. Just stay away from really graphicand script-heavy pages like ESPN.com.

As for the battery life though, I've done some tinkering and found there are two things that really effect the battery a LOT: brightness and the camera. If you keep the screen brightness down very low whenever possible it does wonders for battery life. The camera, as would be expected, really eats the battery too. I have the phone in and out of WiFi all day, check email every 15, and constantly text msg and all the rest, and by keeping the brightness low I've been able to use the phone for almost 3 full days without a charge. Pretty awesome for such a complex device!

SYCAMOREGRAD
Jul 6, 2007, 08:15 PM
After several days of iphone bliss, I was sadly disappointed when, on the 4th of July, I noticed I couldn't insert any numbers or use the spacebar or the return key along the bottom of the virtual keyboard when in portrait mode. Landscape use was fine. But since you can't use landscape mode in emails, it was very frustrating. I could use the buttons along the bottom when using ipod and could even press the "write mail" icon at the very bottom, but something would not let me use the spacebar in mail or safari(in portrait mode.) I signed up for a slot at the Apple genius bar at my local Apple store. The Apple genius took my iphone to the back of the Apple store. I was then told it would take about 10 minutes and that they might have to erase my data in order to restore functionality. After about 10 minutes, a different Apple genius came out and asked me-quietly, i might add- if it would be OK if they replaced my iphone. I told them that was no problem. They said that my purchase date would be today's date and they also let me activate the phone right there in the store. So far, everything is working just fine-just as it did with my original iphone during the first 5 days. Here's hoping I won't need to return to the store anytime soon. :D

cah87
Jul 8, 2007, 05:02 PM
I may be crazy but my iPhone has been checking for updates everyday. All of a sudden the next update is 7/15/07 do you think it's possible apple will be releasing an update that day?

TAGF1
Jul 8, 2007, 05:59 PM
Go-Figure, the update is planned for days after the return policy expires...nice!

tom@bluesky.org
Jul 8, 2007, 07:01 PM
Does anyone know if you can change the language on the iPhone? Does the leyboard layout change if you select spanish as the default language?

The current iPhone input and user interface is English only. However you can find a workaround for sending email in Spanish and a number of other languages here:

http://pointatme.com/keyboards/

It would not be that hard to add Dvorak to that.