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mrat93
Jul 27, 2007, 03:20 AM
Interesting story I found at Engadget. Take a look...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/27/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/



samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 03:49 AM
The original thread was here (http://mac.hk/appletalk/viewtopic.php?t=29524), where it appears 10 of 11 photos were deleted by an admin or a moderator. (Check bottom of linked thread).

Engadget and another site managed to grab 2 of the photos before one was deleted. I can't find the other 9 photos, they have vanished.

Of note, the shot of the keyboard appears to have a key with an upside down dashboard icon on it, at least from what I can see. What else could it be ?

Sbrocket
Jul 27, 2007, 04:06 AM
Well I guess it had to leak eventually...*sigh*

Silly people, abusing their Radar access.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 04:24 AM
I've found (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10511663@N02/) the missing keyboard photos on flickr.

What do you think, is it real or fake ?

I think it looks all right and is good that it's raised at the back.

After G
Jul 27, 2007, 04:32 AM
That is a nice keyboard. Hope it's real.

vendettabass
Jul 27, 2007, 04:37 AM
I'm hoping its real too! Love the macbook style keyboard!

hope that USB out is USB2! awesome for USB Pens!

MacRumorUser
Jul 27, 2007, 04:43 AM
It looks lovely. I can see myself buying two or three of those for my macs.

August 7th can't come fast enough. New iPod, New iMac, New Keyboard, New iLife...... damn an expensive month...

Chris Bangle
Jul 27, 2007, 05:01 AM
i think/hope they are real... but why are they not bluetooth.... surely blueto
oth shoudl be standard on keynboards now.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 05:09 AM
i think/hope they are real... but why are they not bluetooth.... surely blueto
oth shoudl be standard on keynboards now.

There are bluetooth and wired versions of the current keyboards and mice. Plus the bluetooth mighty mouse shipped (well) after the wired version, so assuming this is real, the wireless versions could be made too, they were just a little camera shy.

Chris Bangle
Jul 27, 2007, 05:31 AM
There are bluetooth and wired versions of the current keyboards and mice. Plus the bluetooth mighty mouse shipped (well) after the wired version, so assuming this is real, the wireless versions could be made too, they were just a little camera shy.



yes but why not just have bluetooth keyboards standard, Or maybe the prototypes had to be USB....

the keybard looks a bit plain. Its a bit boring.... but it is extremly thin.... I am very impressed

also mighty mouse = white, imac and keyboard = metal.... bit of a clash....

So maybe a new mighty mouse aswell? also I cant tell what the picture is on the F3 button.... oh actually it looks like spaces... My fianl complaint... Why move the volume buttons

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 05:42 AM
yes but why not just have bluetooth keyboards standard, Or maybe the prototypes had to be USB....

the keybard looks a bit plain. Its a bit boring.... but it is extremly thin.... I am very impressed

also mighty mouse = white, imac and keyboard = metal.... bit of a clash....

So maybe a new mighty mouse aswell? also I cant tell what the picture is on the F3 button.... oh actually it looks like spaces... My fianl complaint... Why move the volume buttons

F3 looked more like Expose to me (lots of smaller windows in a big window), seems like a silly move right now, but who knows...

Some people like the extra 2 USB ports a USB keyboard brings, perhaps that's why they will keep 2 different connections. Some people also don't like the lag that wireless methods offer.

Cabbit
Jul 27, 2007, 06:01 AM
looks really smart and finaly a keyboard that would go with the macpro/powermac. My only hope is the is a pro version will aluminum keys.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 06:06 AM
looks really smart and finaly a keyboard that would go with the macpro/powermac. My only hope is the is a pro version will aluminum keys.

I'd prefer the pro version to have illuminated keys. :D

Eric Lewis
Jul 27, 2007, 06:09 AM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/imac-slim-keyboard-5.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/imac-slim-keyboard-3.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/imac-slim-keyboard-1.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/imac_brushed_aluminum_keyboard_full.jpg

siurpeeman
Jul 27, 2007, 06:22 AM
i like the keys (always loved the macbook keyboard), but i'm not sure i'm a fan of the white on metal look. i'm always wondering about a wireless version. where could the batteries go? :confused:

xUKHCx
Jul 27, 2007, 06:25 AM
Looks like they've moved the eject key, I would prefer to have it back in its current place as you can easily access it without looking at the keyboard.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 06:34 AM
i'm always wondering about a wireless version. where could the batteries go? :confused:

Could they build an additional structure into the rear strip to house the batteries. Seems possible.

Looks like they've moved the eject key, I would prefer to have it back in its current place as you can easily access it without looking at the keyboard.

Didn't notice until now, wouldn't that sort of move require a software update, or is it entirely hardware ?

bertpalmer
Jul 27, 2007, 06:37 AM
Looks pretty nice - certainly not ugly although the white keys look a little tacky/plastic like against the metal.

wordmunger
Jul 27, 2007, 06:39 AM
Looks cool, but what I really want is a real, powered USB port. It's *really* annoying having to turn my mac around to plug in a USB key or a photo card reader.

siurpeeman
Jul 27, 2007, 06:40 AM
Looks cool, but what I really want is a real, powered USB port. It's *really* annoying having to turn my mac around to plug in a USB key or a photo card reader.

usb 2.0 would also be nice. :(

aswitcher
Jul 27, 2007, 06:41 AM
Wow, if this thing is real they moved ALLOT of keys. Surely F8, F9, F10, F11 for all those Apple short cuts are now a bit stuffed OR I am going to have to hit a FN key for them or the Volume/Music. Weird.

And whats on the F3 and F4? Screenshot?

No help, but a Function key.

I like the eject key reposition.

Its nice looking but I am a bit sus on this.

xUKHCx
Jul 27, 2007, 06:53 AM
Wow, if this thing is real they moved ALLOT of keys. Surely F8, F9, F10, F11 for all those Apple short cuts are now a bit stuffed OR I am going to have to hit a FN key for them or the Volume/Music. Weird.

And whats on the F3 and F4? Screenshot?

No help, but a Function key.

I like the eject key reposition.

Its nice looking but I am a bit sus on this.

Also F1 and F2 now have brightness icons on them removing the typical F14 and F15 functions. I would prefer separate quickly accessible volume keys.

Also think that a few people will end up ejecting CD/DVDs rather than getting access to Dashboard.

It seems as if they are adding keys while removing keys. Packing more functions onto exsisting keys. While taking away some of the most used keys.

MIDI_EVIL
Jul 27, 2007, 07:00 AM
That has got to be real.

Surely noone would go through so much for a mock up of a keyboard? It's not a particularly hyped product from Apple. An iPhone or new generation iPod yes, but this keyboard seems to be of a higher calibre than any leak we've seen from any other product line.

Rich.

Cabbit
Jul 27, 2007, 07:01 AM
like everything else you will get used to the new layout, and new users wont care because they wont know any diffrent.

MacRumors
Jul 27, 2007, 07:03 AM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Engadget claims to have received photos of Apple's new keyboard set to arrive alongside the iMac refresh rumored to be in early August (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/17/imac-revision-and-ilife-on-august-7th/).


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/07/27/imac_brushed_aluminum_keyboard_full_300.jpg


Despite initial doubts about the authenticity of the photos, the site now expresses confidence in them, and posts a gallery (http://www.engadget.com/photos/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328166/) including multiple angles.

The photos confirm descriptions (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/09/new-apple-keyboard-coming-with-imac-refresh/) by AppleInsider that the keyboard would draw upon the low-profile keyboard in the MacBooks.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/27/new-imac-keyboard-revealed/)

Donza
Jul 27, 2007, 07:03 AM
And whats on the F3 and F4? Screenshot?

Exposé and Dashboard.

aswitcher
Jul 27, 2007, 07:05 AM
Exposé and Dashboard.

Maybe Spaces?

epicwelshman
Jul 27, 2007, 07:05 AM
I like it. Very sleek, modern, and pretty darn cool. Though I imagine a lot of purists (i.e., the same people who hated the MacBook keyboard) will HATE this one too.

Edit: After looking at the galleries properly... I think it's stunning. I never thought a keyboard could be so beautiful.

Markleshark
Jul 27, 2007, 07:06 AM
I do hope thats it, because I'll be buying one.

Switched2aMac
Jul 27, 2007, 07:07 AM
Hmmmm, not sure about it. Probably once I try it out I will love it. Looks cool.

empezar
Jul 27, 2007, 07:07 AM
very nice, i like the look of it.

and the macbook keyboard is probably the best keyboard i've used, even compared to regular keyboards. so i'll be buying one!

daneoni
Jul 27, 2007, 07:07 AM
Looks good i just hope its ergonomic

illw!l
Jul 27, 2007, 07:07 AM
I wonder if there is something on the flip-side.

Multi-touch panel?

Or I could just look at the gallery and confirm that I'm an idiot

teleromeo
Jul 27, 2007, 07:07 AM
I don't believe those pictures. The guy that posted those pictures on flickr took the time to edit those pictures with photoshop 7.0 after he made them with his nikon camera. He also forgot to remove the guides in the photoshop file he created to edit his pics in.

tjcampbell
Jul 27, 2007, 07:08 AM
I like it because I'm used to the laptop keyboards and whenever I want to use an external one the typing feels clunky. It think it will be great to have a usb keyboard with the same feel as my MB. Cheers, T

Killyp
Jul 27, 2007, 07:08 AM
I like it. Looks authentic, you can see it's been taken with a camera as there's chromatic aboration nearer the edge of the image.

I'd be happy with that as a keyboard design though. Finally some iTunes controls on the keyboard...

discodave
Jul 27, 2007, 07:08 AM
Yum! Although why do they have to go back to the ports at the side again? Argh! The one on the left is too far for a right handed mouse user to use and the one on the right leaves you with too much cable!!!

I calling genuine on these.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 07:09 AM
Oh come on... I found the photos on flickr way before engadget posted them. They even deleted my comment on their story with the link, then used the photos in their gallery.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10511663@N02/

zedLondon
Jul 27, 2007, 07:09 AM
It looks gorgeous!

Can't wait to try one out. If it feels good to use and the angle isn't too flat, I'll definitely get one.

xUKHCx
Jul 27, 2007, 07:10 AM
For all those people who haven't realised they have moved around quite a fre keys and even removed a few, namely volume keys and eject keys.

Matteh117
Jul 27, 2007, 07:12 AM
At first I didn't like the idea of white mixed with ally.. But looking through the rest of the pics I can see myself liking it more and more.

Now, what does the rest of the set look like?

Illuminated keys? Hope so.

BornAgainMac
Jul 27, 2007, 07:13 AM
A new Mac mini should come out and look like the old keyboard. (Mac - Commodore 64 design)

bjoggi
Jul 27, 2007, 07:14 AM
Obviously fake..

1. Take a look at the bottom of the keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=912949608&size=o) where the four rubber dots are. Now, take a look at the side of the keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=912949640&size=o) and tell me why they don't even touch the table when the keyboard is lay down?

2. Look at the Apple logo - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328071/)

3. Cmd key without the Apple logo? wtf? - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328166/)

zedLondon
Jul 27, 2007, 07:15 AM
I just noticed that the cmd, cntrl and option keys have their names written rather than having a funny mark for each.

It's probably a good idea for new users, if someone is giving them instructions over the phone or something.

Wonder what that means for the signs used for keyboard short cuts on the menus in Leopard

MLeepson
Jul 27, 2007, 07:16 AM
I love it. But on the image of the back of the keyboard, it says "Not cosmetic unit" So, I'm thinking that something else (cosmetics) will be added onto the keyboard. But, I would NOT mind how it is.

tekcor
Jul 27, 2007, 07:17 AM
Take a second and look at the key labels. They've removed the Apple logo from the command keys and replaced them with the words "Command" - I doubt it. The volume keys are shared with the Exposé functions as well? That spells horrible experience for new users. At least on the laptops, the F1-F8 keys are generally not used for anything so putting the media keys there works well. There is no way they made that move.

And no USB ports? Really Apple?

I don't believe it. If it's real, god help us, they're keyboards are getting worse by the year. At least sell it for only $20 so it's no so damn painful to keep replacing them. My problem with their last two keyboards is the quality. I literally was replacing my Apple keyboard annually, until I bought a Matias Tactile Pro. C'mon Apple, give us a keyboard that lasts!

AdeFowler
Jul 27, 2007, 07:18 AM
No :apple: on the command key! Gotta be fake :eek:

gloss
Jul 27, 2007, 07:19 AM
I love it. But on the image of the back of the keyboard, it says "Not cosmetic unit" So, I'm thinking that something else (cosmetics) will be added onto the keyboard. But, I would NOT mind how it is.

I took that to mean that the unit is actually functional, not *simply* a cosmetic unit.

Definitely some sort of design prototype or pre-production unit, but probably legit. Looks nice. Reminds me of my current slimline desktop keyboard in terms of proportion (thickness, angle).

I do wish it were backlit, though.

UnseenLlama
Jul 27, 2007, 07:19 AM
Oh come on... I found the photos on flickr way before engadget posted them. They even deleted my comment on their story with the link, then used the photos in their gallery.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10511663@N02/

I created an account here just to respond to this because the same thing happened to me, albeit more personal.

When I bought an iPhone on day 1, I had the first unboxing pictures up on Flickr minutes after 6pm Eastern time, even before Engadget posted their pics. Someone actually posted a link of my set to Engadget's comments. Within an hour, the comment was deleted. I emailed Ryan about it and he said it was flagged as spam. I call BS, and they are just trying to protect the traffic to their site.

I love reading Engadget, but actions like that are uncalled for and frankly p*ss me off.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 07:19 AM
For all those people who haven't realised they have moved around quite a fre keys and even removed a few, namely volume keys and eject keys.

They are there from F10 onwards.

John A
Jul 27, 2007, 07:19 AM
And no USB ports? Really Apple?


uh....

http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328235/

?

mustang_dvs
Jul 27, 2007, 07:19 AM
The Volume and Eject keys are there, they just moved them, assuming they're real photos.

Also, a set of [rewind], [play] and [forward] keys appear to have been added to the F-keys. link (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=912949590&context=photostream&size=o)

I do question the addition of a Function key, like the portables keyboards, especially in place of the [Help/Ins] key, rather than at the more comfortable modifier-key area.

I could see this being a test article/prototype, but maybe not a production representation, at least as far as key layout goes.

Dagless
Jul 27, 2007, 07:20 AM
For mega win Apple need to make a MacBook Pro like keyboard. I would buy in an instant, I even do all my forum stuff and essays on my PowerBook for the keyboard!

I don't like the MB style keyboard one bit. :o The current Apple Keyboard isn't much better IMO.

alana22
Jul 27, 2007, 07:20 AM
Why

gloss
Jul 27, 2007, 07:20 AM
I don't believe it. If it's real, god help us, they're keyboards are getting worse by the year. At least sell it for only $20 so it's no so damn painful to keep replacing them. My problem with their last two keyboards is the quality. I literally was replacing my Apple keyboard annually, until I bought a Matias Tactile Pro. C'mon Apple, give us a keyboard that lasts!

I dunno. My Macbook keyboard has been through a year and a half of hard use and it's as good as new. I don't see anything in particular about this design that screams 'NOT DURABLE'. Care to elaborate?

alana22
Jul 27, 2007, 07:21 AM
Eh... totally predictable.. thinner, more rounded corners, etc... Apple's style is almost becoming a bit cliche.

mtrctyjoe
Jul 27, 2007, 07:21 AM
I never thought I would get excited about a keyboard. I am at work right now and my Dell keyboard is just over 1.5 inches thick at its widest point. This thing is sweet!

discodave
Jul 27, 2007, 07:21 AM
Obviously fake..

1. Take a look at the bottom of the keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=912949608&size=o) where the four rubber dots are. Now, take a look at the side of the keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=912949640&size=o) and tell me why the ***** they don't even touch the table when the keyboard is lay down?

2. Look at the Apple logo - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328071/)

3. Cmd key without the Apple logo? wtf? - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328166/)

Control yourself mate. Just because you use stars doesn't make that sort of lingo acceptable. There are kids here. Over a keyboard? I'd hate to see your reaction if someone bumped into you.

MIDI_EVIL
Jul 27, 2007, 07:21 AM
I don't believe those pictures. The guy that posted those pictures on flickr took the time to edit those pictures with photoshop 7.0 after he made them with his nikon camera. He also forgot to remove the guides in the photoshop file he created to edit his pics in.

Image re-size perhaps?

Cynical young man.

Rich.

appleguru1
Jul 27, 2007, 07:22 AM
nvm...

teleromeo
Jul 27, 2007, 07:24 AM
Do you use guides when you resize your pictures ?

AdeFowler
Jul 27, 2007, 07:24 AM
uh....

http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328235/

?
That's for the mouse.

angelneo
Jul 27, 2007, 07:24 AM
I created an account here just to respond to this because the same thing happened to me, albeit more personal.

When I bought an iPhone on day 1, I had the first unboxing pictures up on Flickr minutes after 6pm Eastern time, even before Engadget posted their pics. Someone actually posted a link of my set to Engadget's comments. Within an hour, the comment was deleted. I emailed Ryan about it and he said it was flagged as spam. I call BS, and they are just trying to protect the traffic to their site.

I love reading Engadget, but actions like that are uncalled for and frankly p*ss me off.
This is uncalled for, maybe next time we should start putting watermarks on the images.

PubGuy
Jul 27, 2007, 07:24 AM
Hey tekcor ... did you even look at all the photos? USB ports are clearly visible on the side photo and there is one on each side of the keyboard. :rolleyes:

Southernboy, a mouse is a USB device. The two USB ports are the same as what is on the current Apple keyboards.

ABM
Jul 27, 2007, 07:26 AM
i like the keys (always loved the macbook keyboard), but i'm not sure i'm a fan of the white on metal look. i'm always wondering about a wireless version. where could the batteries go? :confused:

It looks like there would be enough space in groundbar to me...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1131/912949608_7953db3723.jpg?v=0

MIDI_EVIL
Jul 27, 2007, 07:27 AM
Obviously fake..

?

2. Look at the Apple logo - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328071/)



Perspective!

Rich.

fastbite
Jul 27, 2007, 07:27 AM
I love it. I would get one -- but no cables please. If it is true it reveals the new colour/material of the new iMac.

raykhrud
Jul 27, 2007, 07:29 AM
Ok, if it is real I will be forced to buy some ol' Apple Keyboards before they are ou of stock. Awful thing. I need keyboard to rise - it is much easier to type this way.

MIDI_EVIL
Jul 27, 2007, 07:29 AM
Eh... totally predictable.. thinner, more rounded corners, etc... Apple's style is almost becoming a bit cliche.

...Or are you just becoming more in tune with good design?

Rich.

giganten
Jul 27, 2007, 07:31 AM
Very nice keyboard!

33scottie33
Jul 27, 2007, 07:31 AM
I would think that Apple would use the MBP style keys since they are far superior than the current iMac keyboard.

AlexisV
Jul 27, 2007, 07:32 AM
Obviously fake..

1. Take a look at the bottom of the keyboard where the four rubber dots are. Now, take a look at the side of the keyboard and tell me why the ***** they don't even touch the table when the keyboard is lay down?

2. Look at the Apple logo - image

3. Cmd key without the Apple logo? wtf? - image

1.) The keyboard is propped up on a camera lens.
2.) They don't probably actually use that many of those stickers. They were probably produced quite a while ago, perhaps as a rush job. If the public aren't going to see them, why bother spending ages setting up perfect artwork for 50 or so stickers?
3.) Things change. My iMac keyboard is quite a bit different from an old PowerMac 7200 keyboard we have in the office!

andiwm2003
Jul 27, 2007, 07:33 AM
i rated this negative because i don't like the look at all. even with a brushed aluminum imac the old bluetooth keyboard would look better IMO. i hope apple comes up with something better and more stylish than that.

epicwelshman
Jul 27, 2007, 07:33 AM
I don't like the MB style keyboard one bit. :o The current Apple Keyboard isn't much better IMO.

Just to clarify, I'm not attacking, I'm just questioning? Have you used a MacBook keyboard for an extended period of time? I was a little hesitant about the keyboard when I ordered my MB, but seeing as I couldn't afford a pro there wasn't much I could do about it. Now, after using it for almost a year, I LOVE the keyboard. I think it's fantastic, and will be great as Apple's base design. Can't wait for the MBP revision to change it's keyboard style ;)

I dunno. My Macbook keyboard has been through a year and a half of hard use and it's as good as new. I don't see anything in particular about this design that screams 'NOT DURABLE'. Care to elaborate?

Agreed... my MB keyboard has been wonderful, stands up to all kinds of heavy usage. I don't think durability will be a problem.

Control yourself mate. Just because you use stars doesn't make that sort of lingo acceptable. There are kids here. Over a keyboard? I'd hate to see your reaction if someone bumped into you.

Seconded. If you feel the need to curse, buy a dictionary and learn some new words.

Flynnstone
Jul 27, 2007, 07:34 AM
Looks like it would go well with a metal iMac :)

dontmatter
Jul 27, 2007, 07:34 AM
Very nice looking. But lack of curvature? hmm.

dr_lha
Jul 27, 2007, 07:35 AM
Ok, if it is real I will be forced to buy some ol' Apple Keyboards before they are ou of stock. Awful thing. I need keyboard to rise - it is much easier to type this way.
I was just thinking the same thing. I love the current Apple Keyboard (mainly because I like proper keyboards that don't click). As they're only $17 in my local store, I might have to pick a few up just in case, if they decide to discontinue it in favor of this thing.

badcrumble
Jul 27, 2007, 07:36 AM
Well if this is the one, it would seem to indicate that the iMac may still be white. I'm a bit disappointed, as I was hoping for a USB-charged lithium-ion wireless keyboard. That would be amazing.

bigandy
Jul 27, 2007, 07:37 AM
And no USB ports? Really Apple?

http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328235/

they're on the ends, a little like the black pro keyboard.

i like it, except the key arrangement. the eject key moving in is a good thing, i use it a lot... but the others, hmm.

maybe it's backlit :)

brandon6684
Jul 27, 2007, 07:37 AM
Okay, not to bad. I'm assuming this would be come the new Apple keyboard board altogether, not just iMac, since every other desktop Mac has some sort or brushed metal look. The new layout might take some taking used to, but nothing bad there, and I'm liking that Apple is finally adding the dedicated iTunes buttons.

Janskiproducer
Jul 27, 2007, 07:40 AM
...hmmmm.... I noticed that the @ has moved up over the "2" key... I have always loved that about mac keyboards, no shift-2, it's always right there under my right pinkie :D

If they've moved it, it's a mistake, so I almost hope it's a fake!! :p

brandon6684
Jul 27, 2007, 07:40 AM
Well if this is the one, it would seem to indicate that the iMac may still be white. I'm a bit disappointed, as I was hoping for a USB-charged lithium-ion wireless keyboard. That would be amazing.

A way to charge my wireless keyboard would be really nice. I hate having to keep an extra set of rechargeable batteries around. I have three sets of four, one for my key board, one to be split between the mouse and camera and one spare that can be charged and ready to go.

AlexisV
Jul 27, 2007, 07:42 AM
I like that the USB ports are underneath. The white USB plug will be hidden.

...hmmmm.... I noticed that the @ has moved up over the "2" key... I have always loved that about mac keyboards, no shift-2, it's always right there under my right pinkie

If they've moved it, it's a mistake, so I almost hope it's a fake!!

My @ is on the same key as 2 and Euro.

33scottie33
Jul 27, 2007, 07:45 AM
i rated this negative because i don't like the look at all. even with a brushed aluminum imac the old bluetooth keyboard would look better IMO. i hope apple comes up with something better and more stylish than that.

I agree 100%. This keyboard did not give me the normal WOW factor that I get from their products.

j33pd0g
Jul 27, 2007, 07:45 AM
Interesting indeed! If it's real I suppose the :apple: logo being on the bottom and not on the top has something to do with the phase of production it's in. Does it sit on that round pedestal... that thing with the spot for the power adapter? Otherwise, the USB ports hang down very low in the back.

Killyp
Jul 27, 2007, 07:46 AM
...hmmmm.... I noticed that the @ has moved up over the "2" key... I have always loved that about mac keyboards, no shift-2, it's always right there under my right pinkie :D

If they've moved it, it's a mistake, so I almost hope it's a fake!! :p

That's UK Mac Keyboard layout. PCs are different again. For some reason, Macs have always had the @ sign on the 2 in the UK, but I like it. It's quicker when it comes to typing emails.

applekid
Jul 27, 2007, 07:46 AM
No Apple-key? And why move the volume and eject keys to the inside instead of above the num key pad?

doublebullout
Jul 27, 2007, 07:46 AM
Look at the pic of the label on the underside a little more closely. The label lists the color combinations used: Sea Shell 1, Arctic White, Moon Gray. The date (6/20/07) is interesting. "Apple Development Team". My guess is that this is one of several different prototypes used by the ADT to test color combinations, key layouts, etc. The shape and size are probably very close to the production unit, but the colors and key layout may not be. In any case, these are not pictures of a production sample.

thejadedmonkey
Jul 27, 2007, 07:47 AM
looks nice, but I'm not sure if I like it better then the current keyboard.. I'll have to see.

Also, is that a power button on the F4 key?

I agree 100%. This keyboard did not give me the normal WOW factor that I get from their products.
Apple's losing its taste.. Nothing (except the MB's keyboard) has given me a WOW factor since the 5th gen iPod was released. =\

tekcor
Jul 27, 2007, 07:47 AM
uh....

http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328235/

?

Yeah, sorry, just noticed that one. My mistake.

MLeepson
Jul 27, 2007, 07:47 AM
On this (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328239/) image, does anyone know what's on F3 and F4? I know that the volume keys were shifted to make way for these keys, so can any one figure out what it is?

thesdx
Jul 27, 2007, 07:47 AM
I hope that is real. That looks really cool. :D Looks like the new iMacs will be brushed aluminum after all!

juanm
Jul 27, 2007, 07:48 AM
1.) The keyboard is propped up on a camera lens.


Actually, it's a lens hood. It's what I'd have done myself, if I had had the chance to take those pictures myself...

EagerDragon
Jul 27, 2007, 07:48 AM
Looks more than real enogh to me, however I am not sure I like the color. If the keyboard has that tan metal color then the new iMac is probably the same color. Ummmm

Janskiproducer
Jul 27, 2007, 07:49 AM
My @ is on the same key as 2 and Euro.

On my norwegian keyboard to the right of the "L" are two keys with norwegian special characters, and then a key with @ and *... On the 2 button it's the ". The Euro-sign is on the 4 (have to option-4 it though).

Gosh
Jul 27, 2007, 07:50 AM
I think this is legitimate! Looks like it would be nice to use - the MacBook keyboard is.

Clever Apple gets lots of sales from people with existing Mac keyboards wanting to upgrade.

Can't wait to see the mouse!!! Wonder if it will me multi-touch?:)

joebells
Jul 27, 2007, 07:50 AM
I'm confused as I'm here on an american macbook and it has the @ symbol on the 2 key? and my girlfriends american white apple keyboard that came with her imac has the @ symbol on her 2 key also?

Yankees 4 Life
Jul 27, 2007, 07:51 AM
Well if this is the one, it would seem to indicate that the iMac may still be white. I'm a bit disappointed, as I was hoping for a USB-charged lithium-ion wireless keyboard. That would be amazing.

rechargable keyboard?? Isnt that reaching the brink of lazyness? Just go buy rechargable batteries and keep a handy supply. People will complain that the keyboard battery will die too soon like an iphone... Apple cant please everyone.

fixyourthinking
Jul 27, 2007, 07:53 AM
i like the keys (always loved the macbook keyboard), but i'm not sure i'm a fan of the white on metal look. i'm always wondering about a wireless version. where could the batteries go? :confused:

Yeah me either - this keyboard would be AWESOME looking in all silver

Although I think they like white keys because a lot of people complain they can't see the black on silver well.

nlivo
Jul 27, 2007, 07:53 AM
that is an awesome keyboard!! i am getting sick of apple and all the white, good to see some metal.....i dont like how the usb ports are on the side but the rest of the design of the keyboard makes up for this....i do think apple should release a wireless one at the same time (biggest mistake they did with the mighty mouse).....i loved a previous posts idea saying a usb charged wireless keyboard...that is absolutely genius, you could use in non-wireless and wireless...love it.

brandon6684
Jul 27, 2007, 07:54 AM
No Apple-key? And why move the volume and eject keys to the inside instead of above the num key pad?

Well still there but with command spelled out instead. Maybe they wanted to make it less confusing.

MacJediDude
Jul 27, 2007, 07:54 AM
Totally agree this is a fake or upcoming 3rd party product.
Apple would keep the apple on the command key (somthing that is not on 3rd party keyboards)
:oNo :apple: on the command key! Gotta be fake :eek:

tekcor
Jul 27, 2007, 07:55 AM
I dunno. My Macbook keyboard has been through a year and a half of hard use and it's as good as new. I don't see anything in particular about this design that screams 'NOT DURABLE'. Care to elaborate?

Although it may sound strange, I have had no problem with the laptop keyboards. I have a MacBook here, and I really hope it won't wear out. I had an iBook for about 6 years (May 2001 model) and the keyboard still holds up.

Yet on the desktop, I have been through too-many-to-count Apple Pro Keyboards, and both my brother and my dad are starting to complain about their White Keyboards that came with their G5 and iMac.

I don't mean the keyboards completely break. I've never had that happen. But what I mean is how they get worn down due the plastic switches. After a while of use, keys like Command and Shift become harder and harder to press. To somebody like me, I do lots of programming and graphic design - those keys must work well all the time.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand - fake.

dukeblue91
Jul 27, 2007, 07:56 AM
Obviously fake..

1. Take a look at the bottom of the keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=912949608&size=o) where the four rubber dots are.

Those are screw holes to hold the whole thing together.

I like it and will buy it when it comes out.

Schtumple
Jul 27, 2007, 07:56 AM
That closeup of the metal looks really really horrible, but overall i like the look of it, a wireless version would be amazing

Be nice if this was real, even if it wasn't from apple, if there was a bluetooth wireless version id buy it...

Gosh
Jul 27, 2007, 07:57 AM
That's UK Mac Keyboard layout. PCs are different again. For some reason, Macs have always had the @ sign on the 2 in the UK, but I like it. It's quicker when it comes to typing emails.

Which is really annoying when working on XP in Parallels!:(

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 07:58 AM
Well, it's definitely real. Hints that the new iMac will be kind of edgy and rough with probably little to no curvatures.

I like the white on silver. I think all silver would be kind of tacky. Too HP-ish for me. The white keeps it Apple-esque.

While the MacBook keyboards are nice to type on, the keys break very easily and are rather flimsy. I hope it's not the same case with the iMacs.

Goldcard
Jul 27, 2007, 07:59 AM
WHY would apple remove the apple key logo from the keyboard? I still hold a great amount of skeptisicm. Although, I've had skeptisicm during this whole "aug 7th" rumor thing.

Darkroom
Jul 27, 2007, 08:00 AM
love it! love love love...

elfin buddy
Jul 27, 2007, 08:00 AM
Totally agree this is a fake or upcoming 3rd party product.
Apple would keep the apple on the command key (somthing that is not on 3rd party keyboards)
:o

Then what's the deal with the grand Apple logo on the back?

brandon6684
Jul 27, 2007, 08:01 AM
Although it may sound strange, I have had no problem with the laptop keyboards. I have a MacBook here, and I really hope it won't wear out. I had an iBook for about 6 years (May 2001 model) and the keyboard still holds up.

Yet on the desktop, I have been through too-many-to-count Apple Pro Keyboards, and both my brother and my dad are starting to complain about their White Keyboards that came with their G5 and iMac.

I don't mean the keyboards completely break. I've never had that happen. But what I mean is how they get worn down due the plastic switches. After a while of use, keys like Command and Shift become harder and harder to press. To somebody like me, I do lots of programming and graphic design - those keys must work well all the time.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand - fake.

That's odd, keyboards are one of those computer peripherals that seems to have a very long life-span for me.

Either way, I think it looks real, and I hope so. I had my doubts about the MacBook keyboard when it came out, but it's really grown on me.

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 08:02 AM
What's the whole point of keeping the Apple logo there? It confuses new users when someone tells them "Command" key, which people use more often than "Apple" key. Getting rid of the logo makes room to put "command," on it.

And how could this be fake? How could someone go to this much trouble? The keys even use the same font as those on the MacBooks. Look at ALL the photos. It's difficult to be skeptical.

aswitcher
Jul 27, 2007, 08:05 AM
Totally agree this is a fake or upcoming 3rd party product.
Apple would keep the apple on the command key (somthing that is not on 3rd party keyboards)
:o

Yeah, agreed why would Apple remove their logo. 3rd party at best. (Still nice though - if Apple dont do one I might get this...)

age234
Jul 27, 2007, 08:05 AM
I believe it.

I'm glad they took the Apple logo off the Command key. Is this the return of Steve's "don't use the Apple logo in vain" thing from the early days? Too many people say "Apple key" instead of "Command key" IMO.

I'm not so much of a fan of moving the eject from the UR corner. It'll be hard to re-learn where everything is.

ImAlwaysRight
Jul 27, 2007, 08:06 AM
Now where's the rest of the computer?

New iMac, that is! :D

I think the new keyboard looks great. Putting my old one on ebay now...

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 08:06 AM
Yeah, agreed why would Apple remove their logo. 3rd party at best. (Still nice though - if Apple dont do one I might get this...)

The logo confuses new users. And did you not see the enormous white logo on the back of the keyboard? Along with all the stickers with technical/insider mumbo jumbo that seems pretty undeniably authentic? :rolleyes:

TheNumberOneFan
Jul 27, 2007, 08:07 AM
Eh... totally predictable.. thinner, more rounded corners, etc... Apple's style is almost becoming a bit cliche.

yeahhhh... totallllllllllyyy cliche; sticking to their OWN STYLE that they've created.

Predictable? What are you even talking about?

gojira
Jul 27, 2007, 08:08 AM
This looks pretty good to me. Simple, spare and elegant... pure Apple!
It's good to finally see that nasty clear plastic on the current keyboards disappear.

It seems like the metal is powder coated rather than brushed like the MacPro. It would certainly be cheaper to produce that way.

One would hope (and EXPECT) that it would be a full USB2 keyboard. You could easily plug your iPod or iPhone into it for full-speed syncing.

I really prefer laptop-style keys, so I'd probably get one to replace my MacAlly ICEKey keyboard.

Gee4orce
Jul 27, 2007, 08:09 AM
I notice the Command key now actually has the work 'Command' as well as the symbol. Great move.

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 08:09 AM
Here's your stinkin' Apple logo:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/imac-slim-keyboard-2.jpg

I don't see how anyone could think it's fake.

fastbite
Jul 27, 2007, 08:11 AM
The only thing i don't understand, and I may be just stupid for not getting it, is that if lying flush on a table there is a gap. I may be missing something....

Multimedia
Jul 27, 2007, 08:12 AM
If this is true, and it looks like it is, I for one will not be using it and continue to use my MacAlley QuickKey keyboard. How they can stop offering a true keyboard with sculpted-raised keys is beyond my imagination to understand. :rolleyes: :eek: :(

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:12 AM
Didn't notice until now, wouldn't that sort of move require a software update, or is it entirely hardware ?

Moving the ject key? Does it require a software update when you turn your keyboard to a different angle? Then ALL the keys are moving!

MacJediDude
Jul 27, 2007, 08:12 AM
Totally disagree - using that logic, then why return to the HUGE apple logo on the underside of the keyboard (somthing we saw back in the days of the 5 flavor imacs)
I believe it.

I'm glad they took the Apple logo off the Command key. Is this the return of Steve's "don't use the Apple logo in vain" thing from the early days? Too many people say "Apple key" instead of "Command key" IMO.

I'm not so much of a fan of moving the eject from the UR corner. It'll be hard to re-learn where everything is.

johnmcboston
Jul 27, 2007, 08:13 AM
This looks pretty good to me. Simple, spare and elegant... pure Apple!

Its better to look good than to feel good? :-) I just hope you have good tactile feedback so you can actually know you're typing.

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:14 AM
The only thing i don't understand, and I may be just stupid for not getting it, is that if lying flush on a table there is a gap. I may be missing something....

Why would you care if the base touches at every point?

rahrens
Jul 27, 2007, 08:14 AM
For those of you that don't like this new design, or think it doesn't look so great, look at the photo of the back of the keyboard, it's got that little sticker on it that says, "Not for Cosmetic"?

Couldn't that mean it's a prototype that hasn't been prettied up? You know, just for useage testing? To see how well the key design works, but not for public consumption...

Lone Deranger
Jul 27, 2007, 08:15 AM
Hm... there's something suspicious about the photograph showing the bottom of the keyboard, the one with the components sticker. Looks like somebody has cloned over the left hand side of the casing. The white colour is off in an inconsistant non smooth graduation (like you would get under normal conditions) compared to the right half. It's a darker and cooler colour than the warmer/green/yellowish white of the other half. Raise the contrast in PhotoShop for instance if you can't make it out. You'll also see the sharp delineation that you'd get through amateur use of something like a PS clone brush.

Not implying that this rumour is fake, but that picture's definately been digitally altered.

fastbite
Jul 27, 2007, 08:16 AM
Why would you care if the base touches at every point?
You may be absolutely right -- it just seems slightly illogical. regardless I love the design.

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:18 AM
I like it. Very sleek, modern, and pretty darn cool. Though I imagine a lot of purists (i.e., the same people who hated the MacBook keyboard) will HATE this one too.

Edit: After looking at the galleries properly... I think it's stunning. I never thought a keyboard could be so beautiful.

I'm sorry, but I don't get this, or the rest of the people saying it's beautiful. The white on metal IS butt ugly. Also, the USB ports wouldn't allow for wide usb connections (e.g. first gen shuffle), though if they are unpowered, I guess you wouldn't want to put it there anyway. The flat keys are ugly, but I admit that is a matter of preference really. However, liking the white on metal betrays a lack of style.

MrCrowbar
Jul 27, 2007, 08:18 AM
Looks like all the F key have been rearraged. Spaces is F8 in all Leopard builds I've seen. Actually, it looks like they took the keys from a white Macbook, added additional ALT and CTRL keys where the Macbook's cursors are. This would explain why the eject key is on top of backspace; If it wasn't, ther would be a gap.

I don't think that will be the new iMac keyboard, looks more like a prototype to me, hence the label on the bottom where it says what manufactures for the different thing were used. I can imagine they have a bunch of those thing at Apple with different keys, layouts, materials etc. for inside ergonomy testing.

I wouldn't be surprised if the updated keybpoards look similar. I personally love the Macbook keyboard and would get one of those.

Nappi
Jul 27, 2007, 08:18 AM
I really hope this isn't the final design. If you ask me, white and metal (which seem to be Apple's two main design elements of late) don't work so well together. Almost looks like something that has been assembled from spare parts (which could be partly true if this is just a prototype model).

Don't get me wrong. Even though this is my first post here, I didn't register just to bash Apple's design. I really like MacBook's keyboard, for example, and I think that this keyboard would look much better too if the background was white.

I was also hoping for the new keyboard to be, well, a lot more ergonomic, but I guess that won't happen. Unless this proves to be fake of course.

L3X
Jul 27, 2007, 08:19 AM
Hm... there's something suspicious about the photograph showing the bottom of the keyboard, the one with the components sticker. Looks like somebody has cloned over the left hand side of the casing. The white colour is off in an inconsistant non smooth graduation (like you would get under normal conditions) compared to the right half. It's a darker and cooler colour than the warmer/green/yellowish white of the other half. Raise the contrast in PhotoShop for instance if you can't make it out. You'll also see the sharp delineation that you'd get through amateur use of something like a PS clone brush.

Not implying that this rumour is fake, but that picture's definately been digitally altered.
interesting work...

diehardmacfan
Jul 27, 2007, 08:20 AM
finally: shortcut keys... theres itunnes controls, volume, brightness positioned on the left side like on apples laptops. Theres also a dashboard button, and the other one is probably spaces, and not time machine. Expose are probably still the F9, F10, and the F11 keys.

johnmcboston
Jul 27, 2007, 08:21 AM
No Apple-key? And why move the volume and eject keys to the inside instead of above the num key pad?

yah - not I have to reach over rather than up to tweak the volume. Hard to see on the small images - but a bit frustrating Apple seems to have co-opt more function keys for what they think are conveniences. Like someone noticed there's a function key for @. For those of us that can actually type, that's a useless shortcut... So they 'take away' function keys for things like new CD controls - yet continue to have a ton of empty space between the arrow heys and page keys? hmmmm

colinmack
Jul 27, 2007, 08:21 AM
Hm... there's something suspicious about the photograph showing the bottom of the keyboard, the one with the components sticker. Looks like somebody has cloned over the left hand side of the casing. The white colour is off in an inconsistant non smooth graduation (like you would get under normal conditions) compared to the right half. It's a darker and cooler colour than the warmer/green/yellowish white of the other half. Raise the contrast in PhotoShop for instance if you can't make it out. You'll also see the sharp delineation that you'd get through amateur use of something like a PS clone brush.

Not implying that this rumour is fake, but that picture's definately been digitally altered.

Or that's the reflection of the guy holding his camera ;-)

MrCrowbar
Jul 27, 2007, 08:23 AM
I'm sorry, but I don't get this, or the rest of the people saying it's beautiful. The white on metal IS butt ugly. Also, the USB ports wouldn't allow for wide usb connections (e.g. first gen shuffle), though if they are unpowered, I guess you wouldn't want to put it there anyway. The flat keys are ugly, but I admit that is a matter of preference really. However, liking the white on metal betrays a lack of style.

You can plug 1st gen iPods in the current keyboards. But those have USB 1.1 poert, so you really don't want to sync your iPod with that :-)
If they used white plastic instead of aluminum, it would look cheap. Glossy plastic would be too sticky and matte plastic would look wahed out pretty fast. Anodysed aluminum has a nice texture and won't get polished by your fingers that fast. Plus it adds some necessary weight to the keyboard, think how light it would be if it was all plastic, it would mover around when typing.

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:23 AM
If this is true, and it looks like it is, I for one will not be using it and continue to use my MacAlley QuickKey keyboard. How they can stop offering a true keyboard with sculpted-raised keys is beyond my imagination to understand. :rolleyes: :eek: :(

You bring up a good point. Lying flat on the desk, this would be annoying to type on. The keys are way too low! I dunno though, maybe I'd just have to try it and get used to it.

Lone Deranger
Jul 27, 2007, 08:24 AM
Yes.. now that you mention it.... :)

Or that's the reflection of the guy holding his camera ;-)

gloss
Jul 27, 2007, 08:24 AM
Yet on the desktop, I have been through too-many-to-count Apple Pro Keyboards, and both my brother and my dad are starting to complain about their White Keyboards that came with their G5 and iMac.

I don't mean the keyboards completely break. I've never had that happen. But what I mean is how they get worn down due the plastic switches. After a while of use, keys like Command and Shift become harder and harder to press. To somebody like me, I do lots of programming and graphic design - those keys must work well all the time.

I tend to agree about the Apple desktop keyboards, but I think that those issues are a byproduct of the design and construction of those boards. This new keyboard, as far as I can tell, simply transplants the MacBook design to a separate piece of hardware. I just don't see any reason that it shouldn't be every bit as durable as the laptop version. I've never had a stuck key or any other sort of issue on my MacBook, which is far more than I can say for my family's squishy, gross, gunked-up iMac G5 board.

bjoggi
Jul 27, 2007, 08:25 AM
Hm... there's something suspicious about the photograph showing the bottom of the keyboard, the one with the components sticker. Looks like somebody has cloned over the left hand side of the casing. The white colour is off in an inconsistant non smooth graduation (like you would get under normal conditions) compared to the right half. It's a darker and cooler colour than the warmer/green/yellowish white of the other half. Raise the contrast in PhotoShop for instance if you can't make it out. You'll also see the sharp delineation that you'd get through amateur use of something like a PS clone brush.

Not implying that this rumour is fake, but that picture's definately been digitally altered.

I really don't think this thing can be for real.. and if it is, I have lost faith in Jonathan Ive or the designers at Apple AND Steve Jobs if he likes this design at all.

daysleeper
Jul 27, 2007, 08:26 AM
I don't think this is real.

1. It's ugly.
2. Look at the closeups... the keys don't fit right
3. Apple logo doesn't look right
4. It is FANTASTICALLY non-ergonomic
5. Someone is willing to sell them to you now.

epicwelshman
Jul 27, 2007, 08:28 AM
I'm sorry, but I don't get this, or the rest of the people saying it's beautiful. The white on metal IS butt ugly. Also, the USB ports wouldn't allow for wide usb connections (e.g. first gen shuffle), though if they are unpowered, I guess you wouldn't want to put it there anyway. The flat keys are ugly, but I admit that is a matter of preference really. However, liking the white on metal betrays a lack of style.

Well I guess that's where personal preference comes into play. It's the same thing with MB vs. MBP keys, glossy vs. matte screens etc. If you had told people before the first metal PowerBook was released that a metal laptop could be beautiful, I'm sure people would have strongly disagreed. Turns out, the PowerBooks/MacBook Pro's are stunning.

If a simple keyboard can inspire this kind of response in people (beautiful OR ugly), then Apple's doing something right.

synth3tik
Jul 27, 2007, 08:29 AM
That has to be the ugliest thing I have seen.

Bad Apple

jblodgett
Jul 27, 2007, 08:29 AM
I could certainly do WITHOUT the MacBook style keys. (aka the chiclet keys)

johnee
Jul 27, 2007, 08:30 AM
If this is true, and it looks like it is, I for one will not be using it and continue to use my MacAlley QuickKey keyboard. How they can stop offering a true keyboard with sculpted-raised keys is beyond my imagination to understand. :rolleyes: :eek: :(

I COMPLETELY agree! this keyboard looks like it would be painful to use. I just don't see apple sacrificing function for form to the extent this keyboard exhibits.

Angrist
Jul 27, 2007, 08:30 AM
Hmmmm, Looks lie a complete piece of garbage.

No open-Apple key? wtf! (and no, I'm not going to call it command, it''s open-Apple, as opposed to the closed-Apple key \rant)

Looks like they also stuck with the "all the Fn-keys in one block" design. I find this design much less user friendly than having the Fn keys in groups of 4. The groups are easy to find with one hand when you're not looking at the keyboard.

It looks like a flat, hard, short travel laptop keyboard. They are a pain to type with because there's no tactile feedback to indicate that you've struck the key, you just have to hammer away. At least the last two revisions have (relatively) long key travel.

I think I'll wait patiently for the Tactile Pro 2.0 (http://matias.ca/tactilepro2/) to get back in stock.

age234
Jul 27, 2007, 08:32 AM
Totally disagree - using that logic, then why return to the HUGE apple logo on the underside of the keyboard (somthing we saw back in the days of the 5 flavor imacs)

Because it's the brand of the keyboard. But there's no reason to have two different symbols on the same key to do the same thing. It's officially the Command key, there's no reason to have an Apple on it. I wish they took "Alt" off the Option key as well.

Aside from semantical reasons, it's probably too confusing for switchers. The Windows key activates the Start menu on PCs, but the Apple key doesn't open the Apple menu, it's just another control key.

lofight
Jul 27, 2007, 08:35 AM
Obviously fake..

1

2. Look at the Apple logo - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328071/)

3. Cmd key without the Apple logo? wtf? - image (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/is-this-the-new-imac-keyboard/328166/)

?? What's wrong with the apple logo? i believe it's fake, but what's wrong with the apple logo?

F.D.
Jul 27, 2007, 08:36 AM
the keybard looks a bit plain. Its a bit boring.... but it is extremly thin.... I am very impressed

Bit boring? It's a keyboard for crying out loud. Should it have large flashing neon lights all over it?

It looks very stylish. My only concern, as a writer, is what it is like to type on.

Some_Big_Spoon
Jul 27, 2007, 08:36 AM
Seems like a very good potential for iCarpal Tunnel :)

age234
Jul 27, 2007, 08:38 AM
Photos are down at the Flickr account...

simontarr
Jul 27, 2007, 08:39 AM
Hm... there's something suspicious about the photograph showing the bottom of the keyboard, the one with the components sticker. Looks like somebody has cloned over the left hand side of the casing. The white colour is off in an inconsistant non smooth graduation (like you would get under normal conditions) compared to the right half. It's a darker and cooler colour than the warmer/green/yellowish white of the other half. Raise the contrast in PhotoShop for instance if you can't make it out. You'll also see the sharp delineation that you'd get through amateur use of something like a PS clone brush.

Not implying that this rumour is fake, but that picture's definately been digitally altered.

Or that's the reflection of the guy holding his camera ;-)

Haha...owned

bjoggi
Jul 27, 2007, 08:39 AM
?? What's wrong with the apple logo? i believe it's fake, but what's wrong with the apple logo?

Take a look at the logo on the RIGHT side (not the big one). Does this really look like a real Apple logo to you?
80580

ju5tin81
Jul 27, 2007, 08:40 AM
I COMPLETELY agree! this keyboard looks like it would be painful to use. I just don't see apple sacrificing function for form to the extent this keyboard exhibits.

Someone doesn't remember the hockey puck mouse.... :rolleyes:

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:41 AM
You can plug 1st gen iPods in the current keyboards. But those have USB 1.1 poert, so you really don't want to sync your iPod with that :-)
If they used white plastic instead of aluminum, it would look cheap. Glossy plastic would be too sticky and matte plastic would look wahed out pretty fast. Anodysed aluminum has a nice texture and won't get polished by your fingers that fast. Plus it adds some necessary weight to the keyboard, think how light it would be if it was all plastic, it would mover around when typing.


I'm fine with using aluminum, just use it for the keys too. The problem with plugging the 1st gen shuffle into this is that it rests on the USB ports at an angle. With no other feet (which seem unlikely given the design), then the keyboard would be resting on the shuffle, which is probably a bad idea. But, as I mentioned, you probably wouldn't want to plug it in there anyway.

Chris Bangle
Jul 27, 2007, 08:43 AM
ITS A PROTOTYPE

rbroady
Jul 27, 2007, 08:43 AM
could this be a hint that the new imac will be aluminum w/ white accents?

hmmmm...

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 08:44 AM
ITS A PROTOTYPE

Yep.

Definitely real and from Apple though.

Personally, I like the design.

bjoggi
Jul 27, 2007, 08:44 AM
could this be a hint that the new imac will be aluminum w/ white accents?

hmmmm...
Yeah, the new iMac will definitely be aluminum... and hopefully in black too. That would be a smart move.

age234
Jul 27, 2007, 08:44 AM
Take a look at the logo on the RIGHT side (not the big one). Does this really look like a real Apple logo to you?
80580
In a strange way I think that actually gives it more legitimacy. It's easy to make a perfect Apple logo, it's in many Mac fonts. There is no reason for a faker to draw an Apple logo when it's right there available for use.

But it looks like a crappy sticker used on internal testing models, so there's no reason for it to be all pretty.

john7jr
Jul 27, 2007, 08:45 AM
Not implying that this rumour is fake, but that picture's definately been digitally altered.

There was probably more reveling information on that side of the keyboard.

The person would have been better off to black it out than to try and cover it up. Mac rumor-mongors will find everything while trying to spot a fake.

letaalio
Jul 27, 2007, 08:46 AM
On the bottom of the keyboard:
Bottom Cover: Arctic white

Maybe a black one will also be available?

Schmoe0013
Jul 27, 2007, 08:47 AM
ITS A PROTOTYPE

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7796/itsitsxm8.gif

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 08:47 AM
There was probably more reveling information on that side of the keyboard.

The person would have been better off to black it out than to try and cover it up. Mac rumor-mongors will find everything while trying to spot a fake.

Look closely. It's a shadow of a guy holding a digital camera.

Squire
Jul 27, 2007, 08:48 AM
What's the whole point of keeping the Apple logo there? It confuses new users when someone tells them "Command" key, which people use more often than "Apple" key. Getting rid of the logo makes room to put "command," on it.

And how could this be fake? How could someone go to this much trouble? The keys even use the same font as those on the MacBooks. Look at ALL the photos. It's difficult to be skeptical.

I couldn't agree more. And with more and more PC users buying Apple stuff, maybe the logo on the key is unnecessary.

Oh, if you look at the F4 key on the shot with the ruler, it's definitely a Dashboard icon...at least to my eyes. So I agree with the poster who said Expose and Dashboard on F3 and F4.

-Squire

zorinlynx
Jul 27, 2007, 08:48 AM
It doesn't matter what Mac I have, I always end up plugging my IBM Model M keyboard (http://zorin.org/hardware-pictures/imagepages/macpro.jpg.html) into it.

Apple hasn't made a good keyboard since the Extended II. I really don't get it; they make some of the best computers around, but can't make a keyboard worth crap.

I'm hoping this keyboard, if it's real, has at least a nice tactile feel, instead of that mush that describes their current keyboards. The thing is, even if it does, I'll probably still stick with my trusty Model M and the USB adapter.

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:48 AM
[QUOTE=Angrist;3969113]Hmmmm, Looks lie a complete piece of garbage.

No open-Apple key? wtf! (and no, I'm not going to call it command, it''s open-Apple, as opposed to the closed-Apple key \rant)
QUOTE]

Well I'm very curious. What is the closed-Apple key?

bdj21ya
Jul 27, 2007, 08:50 AM
It doesn't matter what Mac I have, I always end up plugging my IBM Model M keyboard (http://zorin.org/hardware-pictures/imagepages/macpro.jpg.html) into it.

Apple hasn't made a good keyboard since the Extended II. I really don't get it; they make some of the best computers around, but can't make a keyboard with crap.

I'm hoping this keyboard, if it's real, has at least a nice tactile feel, instead of that mush that describes their current keyboards. The thing is, even if it does, I'll probably still stick with my trusty Model M and the USB adapter.

I cried when I saw such beautiful machines being forced to take orders from your hideous monster of a keyboard. ;)

lofight
Jul 27, 2007, 08:50 AM
It doesn't matter what Mac I have, I always end up plugging my IBM Model M keyboard (http://zorin.org/hardware-pictures/imagepages/macpro.jpg.html) into it.

Apple hasn't made a good keyboard since the Extended II. I really don't get it; they make some of the best computers around, but can't make a keyboard worth crap.

I'm hoping this keyboard, if it's real, has at least a nice tactile feel, instead of that mush that describes their current keyboards. The thing is, even if it does, I'll probably still stick with my trusty Model M and the USB adapter.

I find the keyboard that apple make perfect... the thin ones are even better because wuth the thick ones I type more mistakes than with the thin one on a macbook.

meagain
Jul 27, 2007, 08:52 AM
Love it. But would prefer a solid color - not 2-tone.

gloss
Jul 27, 2007, 08:53 AM
Apple hasn't made a good keyboard since the Extended II. I really don't get it; they make some of the best computers around, but can't make a keyboard worth crap.


I absolutely abhor the iMac G5 keyboards (and their ilk), but really, I quite like the MacBook-style design.

Nothing's quite as clicky as an old IBM keyboard though.

GoCubsGo
Jul 27, 2007, 08:54 AM
I really like it. While I believe apple has done a fair job of making the keyboard somewhat stylish, it is still big and bulky. This is sleek, like apple's products. A good mixture of AL and plastic. :)

zorinlynx
Jul 27, 2007, 08:57 AM
Prior to the Platinum Apple IIe, the option key was originally the closed-Apple or solid-Apple key. It was on the right side of the space bar, and was a complement to open-Apple, which is the same key as the "Command" we all know and love today.

When the Platinum IIe came out, Apple changed closed/solid-Apple to "option", because it was probably easier to describe on the phone to new users. They also moved it next to the open-Apple/command key, and it has been there ever since.

Amusing related tidbit: The open-apple/command and solid-apple/option keys on the Apple II were electrically connected to the game paddle buttons. This was because the Apple II keyboard design didn't support detecting more than one key pressed at once, so this was the only way to implement it.

I feel so old-school talking about this. :)

[QUOTE=Angrist;3969113]Hmmmm, Looks lie a complete piece of garbage.

No open-Apple key? wtf! (and no, I'm not going to call it command, it''s open-Apple, as opposed to the closed-Apple key \rant)
QUOTE]

Well I'm very curious. What is the closed-Apple key?

lowbb
Jul 27, 2007, 08:58 AM
look at the back of the keyboard
the apple development team label
the logo on it is a bit...
wrong

but i hope it is a real one

bill4588
Jul 27, 2007, 08:58 AM
i say its fake. for one thing, the sticker on the bottom right has a messed up apple logo on it. and two, apple wouldn't make something this ugly.

zorinlynx
Jul 27, 2007, 09:00 AM
I cried when I saw such beautiful machines being forced to take orders from your hideous monster of a keyboard. ;)

I agree, the Model M doesn't really fit in. :)

But holy crap is it nice to type on. Trust me, it's worth it in every way if you type a lot.

If someone made a well-build, nice looking keyboard with the same buckling spring keyswitch design as the Model M that goes with the Mac, I'd be buying it in a hearbeat. The closest I've seen so far is the Matias Tactile Pro, but at $150 it's not worth buying to replace my reliable Model M.

bjoggi
Jul 27, 2007, 09:01 AM
Also what makes me really doubt that this is real is the new placement for the Volume Up and Down, Eject, etc.

How annoying could it be to use applications that use these F1-F9 shortcuts? And no "fn" key on the keyboard, like on the MacBook and MB Pro.

I sure hope that IF this is fake, that this is one of the first prototypes from Apple 1 year ago or so..

cjboffoli97
Jul 27, 2007, 09:01 AM
This could easily be an old prototype or some kind of cheap Asian knock-off. Witness the fairly convincing clones of the iPod nano and the iPhone that we've seen pictures of in recent months.

What raises a question for me is one of the labels on the bottom of the keyboard. It clearly mentions "rubber feet" in "Moon Gray". But if you look at the the bottom of the keyboard pictured, those divots seem concave without any feet. Even if my perception of the feet is wrong, they certainly aren't moon gray.

Are the two vendors (cable and plating) mentioned on the label actually in business with Apple?

Would a prototype be assigned a model number?

cheunghy
Jul 27, 2007, 09:01 AM
As a member of that Hong Kong forum, I am a bit surprised to see it being reported by Engadget, MacNN, TUAW, and here Macrumors.

cleanup
Jul 27, 2007, 09:02 AM
look at the back of the keyboard
the apple development team label
the logo on it is a bit...
wrong

but i hope it is a real one

Like someone said before, I think the weird-looking Apple makes it look more authentic. A faker can easily just type out ? perfectly. It would be flawless. Who would go to the trouble of drawing it out and then very clearly making a mistake on it?

The sticker was probably stuck on a little weird, but you can't see it because of the camera's flash. If you look closely you can notice a shadow of a guy holding a camera.

This thing isn't a digital fabrication. It's definitely real, physical, and from Apple. It might only be a prototype, however, and not be the final version of the keyboard. If you look closely at all the photos you can't really deny its authenticism. Even on close-ups you can see underneath the keys and you can spot the little rubber thingies underneath.

Also what makes me really doubt that this is real is the new placement for the Volume Up and Down, Eject, etc.

How annoying could it be to use applications that use these F1-F9 shortcuts? And no "fn" key on the keyboard, like on the MacBook and MB Pro.

I sure hope that IF this is fake, that this is one of the first prototypes from Apple 1 year ago or so..

The new placement of the buttons is def. questionable, but when was the last time you saw an application that actually used those function buttons?

And there is an fn key. It has taken the place of the "Help" key above the forward "Delete" key. Look closely.

This could easily be an old prototype or some kind of cheap Asian knock-off. Witness the fairly convincing clones of the iPod nano and the iPhone that we've seen pictures of in recent months.

What raises a question for me is one of the labels on the bottom of the keyboard. It clearly mentions "rubber feet" in "Moon Gray". But if you look at the the bottom of the keyboard pictured, those divots seem concave without any feet. Even if my perception of the feet is wrong, they certainly aren't moon gray.

I live in Shanghai and the only convincing knockoffs I've seen are those of the 2nd gen iPod shuffles. And they don't make knock-offs of computers, keyboards, etc., only portable electronics like the iPod and iPhone. And they're far from convincing.

As for the feet, they are convex. And although they don't appear grey, they could have been easily overexposed under a camera flash.

ro2nie
Jul 27, 2007, 09:03 AM
This keyboard is definitely easier to clean than the current one.
Also notice how they removed the useless §± key just under the esc key and replaced it with the `~ key that used to be at the left of the Z key.
Thats why they also made the left shift key wider..

I'm not sure we will need 19 F keys (F19). Also look at the 0 key in the numeric pad... I think it looks very bad...

zac4mac
Jul 27, 2007, 09:04 AM
Sorry zorinlynx - that keyboard of yours looks just like the ancient Dell keyboard I'm typing on right now... ick. Give me that keyboard but with an MBP design, replete with backlit keys and I'll buy two of 'em. That's gorgeous.

Z

Claytoniss
Jul 27, 2007, 09:06 AM
I think they are fake. I don't know why you would want to make a keyboard so flat with flat buttons and god awful white on brushed metal? I like typing on my apple keys now, its very soothing, especially when there is a Compaq keyboard right next to me.

I just don't think these would be ergonomic at all. It looks cheap too. I hope they are fake.

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 09:06 AM
Unfortunately the flickr photos have been deleted from that users account, guess he didn't like the spotlight.

I downloaded the original photos, as I'd imagine many others did, but am a bit sceptical about putting them up on my account and then having my account deleted by Yahoo!

They were flat out deleted too, as a link saved with one of the files leads to nothing (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1230/912949590_3cf802ecf7_o_d.jpg) now.

bjoggi
Jul 27, 2007, 09:07 AM
And the rounded edges on the keyboard makes me wanna throw up. Real ugly :mad:

vandlism
Jul 27, 2007, 09:08 AM
It has to be hard to make the keyboards for the desktop act the same as the laptops. MacBooks and MBPs just have more things that need controlling (num lock, display mirroring, keyboard brightness control, etc). But from what I can tell, they're using the keyboard to make things more obvious to new users. I can't tell you how many people I've met that don't know about using the f-keys to access dashboard or even know about expose, aside from accidents. This new keyboard has Expose and Dashboard on keys F3 and F4 respectively. They also left a few keys open for your other favorites, such as spaces. The Help key was annoying as all get out in Office, the function key that replaces it could act a modifier for the Expose key to get different modes.

The removal of the 'Apple' key is sad but let's face it, it hasn't served a purpose in 20 years. The command symbol is what appears in all menus and will better serve as the icon. If you look on a PC keyboard, the Windows logo open up the start bar, where the Windows logo appears. The Apple key never opened the Apple menu and probably led to a bit of confusion to new users.

I believe the f-keys on the right side of the keyboard have been placed there once again for conformity, but also to have a few programmable keys above the numeric padavailable for spreadsheets, possibly the new iWork.

To those who seem to have a problem with the white/brushed metal look, I have to ask whether you realize this has been around for a few years. The iMac, Cinema Displays, Mac mini, AppleTV, iPod nano, iPod mini, and the iPod shuffle have all and are still using this color scheme.

zorinlynx
Jul 27, 2007, 09:09 AM
Unfortunately the flickr photos have been deleted from that users account, guess he didn't like the spotlight.

I downloaded the original photos, as I'd imagine many others did, but am a bit sceptical about putting them up on my account and then having my account deleted by Yahoo!

Attach them in an email to lynx@zorin.org and I'll post them on my website which I host myself, and put the URLs here.

Adokimus
Jul 27, 2007, 09:11 AM
I agree 100%. This keyboard did not give me the normal WOW factor that I get from their products.

Um, yeah... I second that. The fanboys are brainwashed into thinking anything looks good. This thing is hid. I like the aluminum, I like the thin, but the white plastic on the aluminum looks TACKY and cheap. Apple really let us down here if this is true... admit it already. And hope it's fake.

Fuchal
Jul 27, 2007, 09:12 AM
All you have to do is push alt-shift-K to get a perfect vector apple logo. If this was being faked then it would take 5 seconds to ensure a perfect apple logo, and there would be no room to mess it up. Clearly its a problem with real-world label printing or how the sticker was applied, and therefore not relevant at ALL.

AlexisV
Jul 27, 2007, 09:13 AM
This is what I use on my PC at home (which will be sold and replaced by the new iMac):

http://pics.krawall.de/2/speedlink-flat-keyboard_2.jpg

It is very thin, with small laptop style keys. It is very nice to type on, so I don't understand the 'it's fake because it looks ergonomically horrible to type on' posts.

panda
Jul 27, 2007, 09:15 AM
i say fake.

the combination of alu+plastic? no way

the 4 little round 'feet' are positioned in such as to be ineffective

FAKE :D

verniesgarden
Jul 27, 2007, 09:15 AM
i really think this was a concept design, but not the actual keyboard,

for one, I surely doubt apple would change keyboard layout... there is no reason to... and a million reasons not to

second, there would need to be curvature to the keyboard

third the keyboard is too low, needs a bit more thickness at the bottom for more ergonomics

but all being said, I think its a great approach to an elegant "different" keyboard , and would love one that matched my mac pro


but replying to the people that want a USB charged wireless keyboard, I hope you all were joking, since I haven't heard of such an oxymoron in a long time

zorinlynx
Jul 27, 2007, 09:16 AM
This is what I use on my PC at home (which will be sold and replaced by the new iMac):

<picture snipped>

It is very thin, with small laptop style keys. It is very nice to type on, so I don't understand the 'it's fake because it looks ergonomically horrible to type on' posts.

Weird, it appears to have TWO backslash/pipe keys. I guess it's trying to compromise between two popular layouts?

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 09:17 AM
As a member of that Hong Kong forum, I am a bit surprised to see it being reported by Engadget, MacNN, TUAW, and here Macrumors.

Are the 6 bigger photos from flickr the same as the ones that were posted to your website originally. I realise there were 11 originally posted, but at least one was a close-up that was altered, so I expect more could of been.

Are any of the original photos from your site, still not on engadget, or here, or have they all been accounted for ?

Thanks!!

dernhelm
Jul 27, 2007, 09:17 AM
Looks like they've moved the eject key, I would prefer to have it back in its current place as you can easily access it without looking at the keyboard.

Yeah, there a lot of weird placement on that keyboard. I really don't like volume controls next to the eject key. What is Fn F4 - Power? What is Fn F3 supposed to be?

Putting the function key up by home? My muscle memory has it down in the lower left corner because of my PB. What's wrong with leaving it there?

I dunno. The keyboard certainly looks cool - but I think it would take me way too long to transition to it.

plinkoman
Jul 27, 2007, 09:19 AM
i think/hope they are real... but why are they not bluetooth.... surely blueto
oth shoudl be standard on keynboards now.

yes but why not just have bluetooth keyboards standard...

hey, not everyone loves replacing batteries all the time... :cool:
especially in a device that does nothing but sit 3 feet in front of the computer anyways.

you can pry my wired keyboard and mouse out of my cold dead hands.

drugs!
Jul 27, 2007, 09:22 AM
Take a look at the logo on the RIGHT side (not the big one). Does this really look like a real Apple logo to you?
80580


..yes?

GeekLawyer
Jul 27, 2007, 09:22 AM
I think it's both real and lovely. It may not be the production version, but I think in the design of this keyboard we've seen the best preview of the upcoming iMac yet. :apple:

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 09:23 AM
Attach them in an email to lynx@zorin.org and I'll post them on my website which I host myself, and put the URLs here.

Sent you an e-mail. Enjoy!

CANEHDN
Jul 27, 2007, 09:27 AM
Those definitely look legitimate. Looks pretty nice. Doesn't look that ergonomic or functional. If this is the new keyboard, I'm surprised that Apple didn't put media buttons on it.

ma2ha3
Jul 27, 2007, 09:29 AM
as long as imac comes with a monitor
i dun care how good looking is the keyboard

zorinlynx
Jul 27, 2007, 09:30 AM
Here are the images, Reposted:

http://zorin.org/share/iMackeyboard/

-Z

TheBigL
Jul 27, 2007, 09:30 AM
All that I know is that the new iMac cant come soon enough.

Hoping to buy it before school starts.. we shall see..

age234
Jul 27, 2007, 09:32 AM
i say fake.

the combination of alu+plastic? no way

the 4 little round 'feet' are positioned in such as to be ineffective

FAKE :D

The iMac currently is aluminum + plastic. So are a number of Apple's other products.

JPyre
Jul 27, 2007, 09:35 AM
Whats up with all the non-us posters claiming keys are missing, this is a US-En keyboard, not UK-En and definetly not Norwiegen or Swedish, you guys are just confusing the Americans with your § and the @ not being on the 2 key discussions. They will localize it, they same way they always have, the only things changed are the volume, eject, dashboard keys, and the Apple missing.

I would've rather seen the command key removed instead of the Apple key. It's been the Apple key for 20 years, dating back to when there was a "black Apple" and a "white Apple" key.

It DOES need a "command" label though if it will no longer have an Apple. Nobody in tech support could ever be able to describe what a "command" key looks like...

mutantteenager
Jul 27, 2007, 09:38 AM
It's ugly enough to be real. I'm typing on the old skool pro keyboard, with nice chunky keys that you can mash without mis-spelling or slipping off of.

I hate the keyboard on the macbook, it's not really for the hardened typers out there. But you would compromise on a laptop, although my old 12" PB had a nice feel to it, even older G3's were nice too.

I agree silver and white is cheapo like on the mac mini. This keyboard does look real, lets hope the iMac isn't two tone too!

nagromme
Jul 27, 2007, 09:39 AM
Pretty believable, despite the F key weirdness. Since Apple portables have the same vertical key travel as a desktop keyboard, this would too.

And I see Apple finally solved the issue of the Help key being useless in OS X :o

jayducharme
Jul 27, 2007, 09:40 AM
F3 looked more like Expose to me (lots of smaller windows in a big window), seems like a silly move right now, but who knows.

I'm not fond of some of the changes (if real). I liked having the volume controls above the numeric keypad; they were easy to find. I also don't like how flat the keyboard is. I like the tactile design of the current keyboard. (Actually I think the best keyboard Apple's had in a while was the one that came with the G4 towers. The current keyboard is a real dust-catcher.)

Some people like the extra 2 USB ports a USB keyboard brings, perhaps that's why they will keep 2 different connections. Some people also don't like the lag that wireless methods offer.

I like the option of extra USB ports on the keyboard. Why not place one on each side of the back of the keyboard? They could act as feet to raise the back.

As far as Bluetooth goes, the idea is fine but what I don't like is having one more thing in the house that regularly has to be fed batteries. The wire isn't that big an issue for me. I don't sit that far away from the screen.

johnmcboston
Jul 27, 2007, 09:40 AM
This keyboard is definitely easier to clean than the current one.

Amen to that! Prying the keys off to get the good underneath out. And cleanign the keys themselves. ugh. Who thought white was a good idea. :)

vandlism
Jul 27, 2007, 09:41 AM
also mighty mouse = white, imac and keyboard = metal.... bit of a clash....
i'm not sure i'm a fan of the white on metal look.
the white keys look a little tacky/plastic like against the metal.
The white on metal IS butt ugly... liking the white on metal betrays a lack of style.
god awful white on brushed metal?
the white plastic on the aluminum looks TACKY and cheap.

Ahem...it's nothing new.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/286723702_22ae635e49.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/262541222_3caac6fe8e.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/259967236_479bc9ed14.jpg?v=0

johnmcboston
Jul 27, 2007, 09:43 AM
I think I'll wait patiently for the Tactile Pro 2.0 (http://matias.ca/tactilepro2/) to get back in stock.

It looked really good. Until I saw they want $150 for it. youch!

guzhogi
Jul 27, 2007, 09:44 AM
I hope it's USB 2. Where I work, there are quite a few people who use flash drives and their painfully slow on current Apple keyboards. That's why I only connect mice, printers and other USB 1.1 devices to it. Might as well save as many USB 2 ports as possible. As for the rearrangement of the keys, my question is why? I don't care that much, but still curious.

I also wish it were an ergonomic keyboard. I think I'm forming carpal tunnel syndrom. I know Apple would do something really cool w/ it. Also, I would also have liked to see media keys (maybe a button to open Safari, one for iTunes, whatever) or maybe an OLED keyboard. Those are cool.

nagromme
Jul 27, 2007, 09:45 AM
It DOES need a "command" label though if it will no longer have an Apple. Nobody in tech support could ever be able to describe what a "command" key looks like...

"cloverleaf"

Those definitely look legitimate. Looks pretty nice. Doesn't look that ergonomic or functional. If this is the new keyboard, I'm surprised that Apple didn't put media buttons on it.

It does have media control keys, in the top row.

Why only 1 USB socket? And why on the one side and not in the center? I also hope it's USB 2. Where I work, there are quite a few people who use flash drives and their painfully slow on current Apple keyboards. That's why I only connect mice, printers and other USB 1.1 devices to it. Might as well save as many USB 2 ports as possible. As for the rearrangement of the keys, my question is why? I don't care that much, but still curious.

Key re-arrangement is weird. I could get used to that though. As for USB ports--couldn't there be one on the other side too? (Maybe I missed something in the 9-page thread.)

Koyder
Jul 27, 2007, 09:46 AM
I absolutely love the direction in which Apple's design is heading. I can't wait to see the new iMac!

vandlism
Jul 27, 2007, 09:50 AM
There seems to be some confusion about the layout of the typical QWERTY. As far as I can tell, this new keyboard model looks to be the US version. I'm sure many people know this, but to illustrate, I suggest everyone takes a look on flickr.

A few examples:
UK MacBook (http://flickr.com/photos/jackpearceblog/512305306/)
UK MacBook 2 (http://flickr.com/photos/neilchristie/156439321/)
US MacBook (http://flickr.com/photos/mikeperl/549248171/)

A Pittarelli
Jul 27, 2007, 09:51 AM
im sure a BT keyboard in some form will be standard

JPyre
Jul 27, 2007, 09:53 AM
Hmm, I noticed "num-lock" on the "clear" key is gone.
Which isn't ever going to be a problem because that key didn't do anything, num-lock is always on despite pressing it, on every mac I've ever used.
Could someone explain why it was there on previous/current Apple keyboards? For use with XP maybe?

Edit: Ok, apparently its been missing for awhile. But still... why in the first place?

tgildred
Jul 27, 2007, 09:53 AM
Actually, the screwy logo on the sticker caught my eye right off the bat. I remember way back when I was an Apple Campus Representative, one of their marketing people (I forget who) yelled at some guys because they put a graduation cap over floating over the logo. He very vehemently said, "don't ever futz with the logo." Having said that, I think I agree with you. I'm a graphic designer with a fairly large corporation, and you should see some of the terrible, horrible things people do to our logo on internal stuff. Especially test engineers and the like. And we're pretty anal about how our logo is treated. It's annoying because they could just ASK for the proper logo, but they never do. Anyway, I can see it happening, even as tight as Apple is.

I just had this illusion that somehow Apple was a graphic designer's dream-world where the logo was never "futzed" with, and everyone strictly adhered to the corporate style guides. Oh well. If these are real, looks like the dream is over... ;)

1.) The keyboard is propped up on a camera lens.
2.) They don't probably actually use that many of those stickers. They were probably produced quite a while ago, perhaps as a rush job. If the public aren't going to see them, why bother spending ages setting up perfect artwork for 50 or so stickers?
3.) Things change. My iMac keyboard is quite a bit different from an old PowerMac 7200 keyboard we have in the office!

oscuh
Jul 27, 2007, 09:55 AM
It definitely looks sexy, but I don't know if I'd want to type on it. I like the current keyboards with their positive feedback. This looks like some sort of cheapo HP keyboard that has mushy keys. Those of us with big hands and fingers needs something we can beat on without slippage.

As for the lack of an :apple: on the command button, it could just be a developmental oversight that will be remedied within final production??

Oh, for the days of Open- and Closed-Apple keys :p

Oh, and media buttons are stupid.

johnee
Jul 27, 2007, 09:57 AM
This is what I use on my PC at home (which will be sold and replaced by the new iMac):

It is very thin, with small laptop style keys. It is very nice to type on, so I don't understand the 'it's fake because it looks ergonomically horrible to type on' posts.

The keys are completely different in the rumored version. Your keyboard has the traditional keys, which most people are used to. the rumored version has chicklet style keys, a bit unappealing and slightly cumbersome

remember this flop? :D
80585

slffl
Jul 27, 2007, 09:57 AM
Wow, amazing the negatives. Since the only thing you can base off of pictures are the looks, I'm surprised people find this ugly.

I think it looks great and can't wait to USE! one before I pass judgment on it. Jeez.

slffl
Jul 27, 2007, 09:59 AM
Hmm, I noticed "num-lock" on the "clear" key is gone.
Which isn't ever going to be a problem because that key didn't do anything, num-lock is always on despite pressing it, on every mac I've ever used.
Could someone explain why it was there on previous/current Apple keyboards? For use with XP maybe?

Edit: Ok, apparently its been missing for awhile. But still... why in the first place?

I am using a wireless apple keyboard right now and there is no num-lock. And the past 5 regular apple keyboard I've seen havn't had it.

Edit: Ooops, didn't see your edit :)

sezme
Jul 27, 2007, 10:00 AM
Certainly looks real to me. I think getting rid of the Apple logo on the command key is a good thing. New users always call it the Apple key unless they've read books and things. It causes a lot of confusion when I say something like 'press Command-W'.

And I'm very much for an easier-to-clean keyboard. The G5 keyboard is horrible in that respect. Lots of crud collects and is very visible - yuk.

On thing nobody has mentioned (which probably means I'm crazy) is in the close up photo of the bottom, it almost looks as though the keyboard were internally illuminated as in backlit keys. I know this could just be the plastic surface reflecting different lighting, but I dare to dream.

Now as long as those ports are USB 2.0 and powered, I'm happy.

Clive At Five
Jul 27, 2007, 10:01 AM
Ahem...it's nothing new.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/286723702_22ae635e49.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/262541222_3caac6fe8e.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/259967236_479bc9ed14.jpg?v=0

hahahahahaha touche!

I honestly don't see anything hideous about it so I don't know what all the fuss is about. As for their legitamacy, it looks like something Apple would design. They do tend to put form over function on certain occasions (the iPuck is a perfect example) but I managed the puck and I'll manage this keyboard if I end up ever using it.

The thing that makes this thing really shout "Apple" is the really simple lines. Apple is very-much into the rounded rectangles. MacMini & AirPort Extreme are two perfect examples. This keyboard fits that scheme.

The only thing I dislike about this keyboard is the M.I.A. Open-Apple Key. I'm sad to see it go after so many years.

Requiescat in pace, Open-Apple Key. You served me well.

-Clive

Adokimus
Jul 27, 2007, 10:01 AM
Here's what it should have looked like....

Yankees 4 Life
Jul 27, 2007, 10:03 AM
must control wallet... must not buy new imac...

MacJediDude
Jul 27, 2007, 10:04 AM
I totally agree, if this is real the production version should definitely keep the apple key.:apple:Whats up with all the non-us posters claiming keys are missing, this is a US-En keyboard, not UK-En and definetly not Norwiegen or Swedish, you guys are just confusing the Americans with your § and the @ not being on the 2 key discussions. They will localize it, they same way they always have, the only things changed are the volume, eject, dashboard keys, and the Apple missing.

I would've rather seen the command key removed instead of the Apple key. It's been the Apple key for 20 years, dating back to when there was a "black Apple" and a "white Apple" key.

It DOES need a "command" label though if it will no longer have an Apple. Nobody in tech support could ever be able to describe what a "command" key looks like...

samh004
Jul 27, 2007, 10:04 AM
Here are the images, Reposted:

http://zorin.org/share/iMackeyboard/

-Z

Thanks!

Hmm, I noticed "num-lock" on the "clear" key is gone.
Which isn't ever going to be a problem because that key didn't do anything, num-lock is always on despite pressing it, on every mac I've ever used.
Could someone explain why it was there on previous/current Apple keyboards? For use with XP maybe?

Edit: Ok, apparently its been missing for awhile. But still... why in the first place?

This provides a good write-up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Num_lock

gnasher729
Jul 27, 2007, 10:05 AM
What's the whole point of keeping the Apple logo there? It confuses new users when someone tells them "Command" key, which people use more often than "Apple" key. Getting rid of the logo makes room to put "command," on it.

Have a look at some of your menus. The symbols in the menus clearly should be the same as the symbols printed on the keys.

slffl
Jul 27, 2007, 10:08 AM
In the close-up of the keypad, it definitely looks like the keys will be backlit like the MacBook Pros. The numbers and symbols look transparent, not painted on. Also I'm sure there will be a USB port on the left side as well.

Looks NICE!

EDIT: BTW, I vote get rid of the Apple on the Command key.

vandlism
Jul 27, 2007, 10:09 AM
How's this for some logic:
1. New iMac brings us a new keyboard
2. new keyboard has iTunes controller
3. Apple announces new iTunes with iMac to support buttons
4. new iTunes is actually iTunes 8
5. If there's a new iTunes, there's a new iPod to take advantage of the nifty features
6. Apple announces new iPod, August 7th.

Perhaps they leaked out pictures of the keyboard to take focus away from the flack they were getting for the 'short' iPod rumors.

headfuzz
Jul 27, 2007, 10:14 AM
The new placement of the buttons is def. questionable, but when was the last time you saw an application that actually used those function buttons?

Well for starters Ableton Live uses the F keys by default as the channel on/off switches.

That said, you have to disable the native functions as it is (system volume, display brightness etc) because holding down fn + F1 every time you wish to turn channel 1 on or off in a real world scenario (especially playing live!) is just plain silly.

Now I think about in fact, just about every pro app I can think of makes extensive use of the F keys; Logic, Final Cut and so on.

kap91
Jul 27, 2007, 10:15 AM
This keyboard would be great if it were not for the stupid layout of the top row of keys. Why in the world would you want to use a "fn" key when you didn't have to? On the current apple keyboard F9-F12 are used for expose and dashboard and the volume and eject keys are over the numpad. With this new keyboard they combine the two so you have to use "fn" for either the expose/dashboard functions or volume/eject functions. It is much easier if they just kept these keys where they currently are now, especially as I don't think that an F19 key will ever be used. I personally really like the idea of labeling expose keys like it is done on F3 and F4 (at least it looks that way) but the expose functions should remain on F9-F12, along with F8 for spaces and just have them labeled there and keep the volume/eject keys where they are now. In my mind it seems stupid to have to use an "fn" key combination when it has never been necessary before(at least on desktop keyboards). I hope that this changes before it comes out, that is if it is real. Sorry for my long posting, but this really irritates me because other than this problem the keyboard is really nice.

Ireland
Jul 27, 2007, 10:16 AM
i like the keys (always loved the macbook keyboard), but i'm not sure i'm a fan of the white on metal look. i'm always wondering about a wireless version. where could the batteries go? :confused:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1432/917191312_a94c77ce7e_o.png

Nym
Jul 27, 2007, 10:17 AM
I don't think this is real.

1. It's ugly.
2. Look at the closeups... the keys don't fit right
3. Apple logo doesn't look right
4. It is FANTASTICALLY non-ergonomic
5. Someone is willing to sell them to you now.

How would you know if something is ergonomic or not if you haven't used it?

Jesus...

I think it's funny when people go "FAKE!" without any inside knowledge of what Apple is doing or not. If this turns out to be real, you were WRONG!

IMO this is a prototype,... but real.

Seriously, I would bet 5000$ that if I posted a thread with a poll here on MR with pictures from the iPhone before it was introduced I bet that 90% of the users would vote "FAKE", "hey man, this is fake, no way Apple is going to ditch the keyboard", "wow, I'm losing faith in Apple's design", yadda yadda yadda, WRONG!

Cfour
Jul 27, 2007, 10:19 AM
Although I was a little skeptical at first the more I look at it the more I like it.
Im not a fan of the white on ally but I think if they were to use the white plastic for the body it would look a lot better but overall I like the general over hall of the keys and the new slim take on it.
I also like the way they have incorporated the USB plugs into the rest, ah, little things.
On the note of USB I really hope they're USB2, no more fumbling around the back of my mac ...
And also Id love it if it had backlit keys, would be killer.

Lets hope this isn't some determined PS addict ey ...

Cfour

Nepenthe
Jul 27, 2007, 10:19 AM
Oi...
The sticker on the underside of the computer indicates that this is not a cosmetic prototype. Read: this is not the final look. It is more of a layout and material experiment.

For example - a company may use a non-cosmetic prototype to experiment with materials, layout, and enclosure details (cooling vents, circuit placement, connector placement, etc...)

Granted Apple may do things in a different way, but I think that what we see here is most likely a rough cut that will be subject to some additional tweaks and polish (or it is completely fake, whatever)...

Dimwhit
Jul 27, 2007, 10:22 AM
Well for starters Ableton Live uses the F keys by default as the channel on/off switches.

That said, you have to disable the native functions as it is (system volume, display brightness etc) because holding down fn + F1 every time you wish to turn channel 1 on or off in a real world scenario (especially playing live!) is just plain silly.

Now I think about in fact, just about every pro app I can think of makes extensive use of the F keys; Logic, Final Cut and so on.

All they really have to do is make the fn button function like the Caps Lock. Press it once, and you use all the function keys like normal. Press it again and you're back to controlling brightness, etc. Not sure they will, but it would be nice.

billystlyes
Jul 27, 2007, 10:25 AM
Please let this be the keyboard for a new headless Mac. Just kidding! Please don't let this be the keyboard for any Mac. It's fugly with a capital F.

FoxyKaye
Jul 27, 2007, 10:25 AM
Ew.

That thing's hideous, and typing on the MacBook keyboard is hell.

mark88
Jul 27, 2007, 10:26 AM
The white aluminum combo just doesn't look very classy to me. The keyboard looks great but I would have prefered all white, all aluminum.

vandlism
Jul 27, 2007, 10:28 AM
This keyboard would be great if it were not for the stupid layout of the top row of keys. Why in the world would you want to use a "fn" key when you didn't have to?

Any buttons assigned to media controls or expose or the like take priority of whatever else is assigned to an f- key. So you would only need to press the function key in addition to the particular f-key if something other than said controls were assigned to it. For the everyday user, it's the same.

AceOfBass
Jul 27, 2007, 10:29 AM
I am really not a fan of the white on metal. It doesn't seem to fit with the whole simplistic motif that apple's going for. Why couldn't they just have silver keys like on the mbp? sure it's just painted plastic, but it keeps the uniform look. Any word on if it'll be backlit or not?

kcroy
Jul 27, 2007, 10:30 AM
The keyboard looks great...

I'm running out of USB ports and was hoping for a keyboard with an iPhone port and/or ipod port to charge and sync. I would assume this is possible to make, I realize it would need more power.

slffl
Jul 27, 2007, 10:34 AM
Do the people who 'aren't fans' of the look realize that the current iMac and Mac Mini both have a white/metal look?

I wonder if this design means that the iMac will not be brushed aluminum? The keyboard would seem to match the current iMac better.

vandlism
Jul 27, 2007, 10:34 AM
Why couldn't they just have silver keys like on the mbp?
I'm going to say it's for a strong contrast between keys and surface.

Has Apple ever shipped multiple keyboards at the same time, say when they made the switch from the Pro Keyboard to the Apple Keyboard? How long before the Mac Pro started packing some sleek, next update?

Digital Skunk
Jul 27, 2007, 10:41 AM
I hated it at first... but I think I like it now that I have looked at it some more... I will keep the old ones since they don't make the replacement keys for Final Cut Pro and other pro apps for that keyboard... I still think the old keyboards looked better, but this one is a good step forward that I know I will get used to.

Eidorian
Jul 27, 2007, 10:41 AM
For some odd reason I can type faster on laptop keyboards...

I like the look of the new one but I still want to try it out.

Clive At Five
Jul 27, 2007, 10:42 AM
I think getting rid of the Apple logo on the command key is a good thing. New users always call it the Apple key unless they've read books and things.

What? The term "Command" was never used until the PowerPC days, and it was used by the new-comers who didn't know or understand the power of the "Open-Apple" Key. Their numbers grew and grew until today where the "socially accepted" terminology is "command." BLECH! I spit at you command-sayers. It was always "Open-Apple" ... and in my heart, it always will be.

And next time you call me a newbie, I will detonate a rocket in your stomach, newbie.

-Clive