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MacRumors
Aug 5, 2007, 05:05 PM
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WorldofApple (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2007/08/03/detailed-look-at-latest-leopard-build-9a499/) has posted an extensive gallery (http://worldofapple.com/photos/Leopard/9A499) of screenshots from Apple's latest Leopard (9A499) build that was seeded to developers in late July (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/25/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-leopard-9a499-to-developers/).

They detail visual enhancements that have been detailed before (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/27/mac-os-x-leopard-9a499-visual-enhancements/) but along with an extensive gallery (http://worldofapple.com/photos/Leopard/9A499) of images of Apple's upcoming operating system.

Apple has announced that Leopard will be released in October of 2007.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/05/gallery-of-leopard-9a499-images/)



SoldOutMatinee
Aug 5, 2007, 05:09 PM
That's hawt.

theheyes
Aug 5, 2007, 05:09 PM
Looks good. New yet familiar.

Lets hope the new functionality is as good.

gusapple
Aug 5, 2007, 05:14 PM
Yeah, they look awsome, and I think that it was time to change up the system prefs icon.

djstarrock
Aug 5, 2007, 05:16 PM
Wow leopard looking better every minute.

MacPossum
Aug 5, 2007, 05:21 PM
October can't come fast enough :D

mark88
Aug 5, 2007, 05:21 PM
It must be getting hammered already because it's taking days to load here

twoodcc
Aug 5, 2007, 05:22 PM
Wow leopard looking better every minute.

yeah it is! i can't wait til it's released

hollywoodmacguy
Aug 5, 2007, 05:25 PM
Can't wait! Given that the iPhone was supposed to be released "in June" and was launched on June 29th, I can only imagine that Leopard's "October" release schedule can only mean Halloween... :rolleyes:

The waiting is SO painful, but it will definitely be worth it. Please hurry up :apple:! :)

Tafkas
Aug 5, 2007, 05:26 PM
I cannot wait to finally get the leopard on my mac!!!!

bahaynie
Aug 5, 2007, 05:34 PM
So I heard that the video back grounds in iChat will not work on a MacBook. It say it does not meat the processor requirements

Gav
Aug 5, 2007, 05:37 PM
So I heard that the video back grounds in iChat will not work on a MacBook. It say it does not meat the processor requirements

They're not that good anyway, you need perfect lighting and a pretty plain background, also if you have a chair with a big back (one that goes up to your neck), you'll have issues.

jasko
Aug 5, 2007, 05:39 PM
I just want to see what iChat looks like, in detail...

age234
Aug 5, 2007, 05:41 PM
Wow, the site is hanging on by a thread. Anyone download the screenshots and want to mirror them?

bahaynie
Aug 5, 2007, 05:46 PM
has anyone actually used screen sharing?

Darkroom
Aug 5, 2007, 05:48 PM
is Podcast Capture a new app?

Pim
Aug 5, 2007, 05:53 PM
Guess they should've posted them on flickr or something..

Butters
Aug 5, 2007, 05:59 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

iJawn108
Aug 5, 2007, 06:00 PM
Aperture doesn't work leopard so seeing as I only have one mac I am reverting back to tiger until aperture is working.

So long leopard you were fun while you lasted.

Morris
Aug 5, 2007, 06:08 PM
Too bad they had to use JPG instead of PNG. All screenshots look a bit blurry as a result.

ro2nie
Aug 5, 2007, 06:09 PM
Can't wait! Given that the iPhone was supposed to be released "in June" and was launched on June 29th, I can only imagine that Leopard's "October" release schedule can only mean Halloween... :rolleyes:

The waiting is SO painful, but it will definitely be worth it. Please hurry up :apple:! :)

They would release Leopard on October 32nd if October only had 32 days :D

mongoos150
Aug 5, 2007, 06:11 PM
Wow - it's been loading for like 60 seconds... COME ON! I HAVE A 20mbps DOWN CABLE CONNECTION!

*There it goes. :)

http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you :)Thanks mate :D

.Andy
Aug 5, 2007, 06:13 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)
Thanks very much Butters :)

smythey
Aug 5, 2007, 06:17 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Cheers dude - By the rate they were loading, I would have to the last one by about October...!

Butters
Aug 5, 2007, 06:20 PM
I'm still not totally sure about the new metal look and iTunes-ish buttons. I much prefer the way the white plastic windows look now in tiger except maybe without the pinstripes. Also the transparent menu bar looks nasty IMO but I hear you can turn that off

I don't know, I just hope they do a little more changing and tweaking still before it's out

numlock
Aug 5, 2007, 06:20 PM
nice little additions like seeing the number of items in of a folder in the "get info" dialog plus the possibility to share/not share and backup/not backup there as well

CalBoy
Aug 5, 2007, 06:22 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Thanks! Everyone knows it's Butters:p;)

It looks really good. I can't wait until November:rolleyes:

Hattig
Aug 5, 2007, 06:22 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Cheers!

Looks nice. New screensaver will be appreciated, I'm sick of flurry.

typecase
Aug 5, 2007, 06:24 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Thanks for the mirror! The real site was awfully slow. :D

fastbite
Aug 5, 2007, 06:24 PM
Looking great. Can't wait...

QBranch
Aug 5, 2007, 06:30 PM
NDA abuse or worse. Can't condone this sort of thing.

As a positive, at least they didn't uncover all of the new goodies in this build...

mongoos150
Aug 5, 2007, 06:31 PM
Path bar for finder, spaces details, time machine details (some) and stacks views all look great! I can't wait for this release, looks VERY clean!

sebastianlewis
Aug 5, 2007, 06:44 PM
NDA abuse or worse. Can't condone this sort of thing.

As a positive, at least they didn't uncover all of the new goodies in this build...

There really wasn't much there that you couldn't see on Apple.com, and the stuff that's not on Apple.com isn't that exciting to begin with.

I do like the new Photo Booth effects though... and that sources thing in Front Row looks strange..

Sebastian

Multimedia
Aug 5, 2007, 06:47 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)Thanks Butters. Got 'em all in about 1 minute from your site. You're the man!

Peace
Aug 5, 2007, 06:48 PM
There really wasn't much there that you couldn't see on Apple.com, and the stuff that's not on Apple.com isn't that exciting to begin with.

I do like the new Photo Booth effects though... and that sources thing in Front Row looks strange..

Sebastian


don't think I'm breaking my NDA since this has been seen and talked about on Apple's website.

The sources in the Front Row is for browsing other iTunes libraries on your LAN.Just like on :apple:TV :)

noone
Aug 5, 2007, 06:52 PM
Looks like iCal still shows July 17th. http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard/leopard_9a499_stacks.jpg

Isn't that a major gripe people have?

hollywoodmacguy
Aug 5, 2007, 06:59 PM
They would release Leopard on October 32nd if October only had 32 days :D

So true! And, of course, Leopard was originally slated for release this "Spring", which had everyone scrambling to figure out when that season actually ended only to be told that the iPhone's development necessitated the little delay until October... :(

So, Leopard will now be released from its cage on October 31st and we should have it by Thanksgiving, which, for my British friends, is the fourth Thursday in November... :)

As long as it's worth all of the advance hype and has all of the cool features in the pics in this post, the interminable waiting will be worth it! :)

sionharris
Aug 5, 2007, 07:01 PM
notice in this link - http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard/leopard_9a499_apps_quicklook.jpg - it says version 5 yet currently we are only on 3.5

i wonder why

zioxide
Aug 5, 2007, 07:03 PM
I think the title bars are a little too dark. They don't go well with the rest of the windows.

Other than that, looks great EXCEPT FOR THAT UGLY ****ING MENU BAR.

Whoever designed that thing deserves to be fired and forced to work for Vista.

balamw
Aug 5, 2007, 07:22 PM
The sources in the Front Row is for browsing other iTunes libraries on your LAN.Just like on :apple:TV :)

I hope it is more flexible than the :apple:TV streaming in that it doesn't require pairing or having the media present in iTunes.

Otherwise, boo hiss!

B

benspratling
Aug 5, 2007, 08:00 PM
Ok, I like the blurred out stuff when sheets come up, and the new dock looks amazingly awesome, but those new folders look butt ugly, and the new scroll bars look like a broken record, maybe it's just the jpeg compression. I don't like the transparent menu bar - I think I need it to keep me grounded, or maybe ceilinged.
But I love the new menus!

Let's just hope the Printer setup and job management dialogs are finally intuitive! And the beach ball doesn't disable Finder when a network volume gets disconnected.

What's up with the spiraling in the AirPort menu?

The new side bar is perfect!

Frisco
Aug 5, 2007, 08:04 PM
Looks like iCal still shows July 17th. http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard/leopard_9a499_stacks.jpg

Isn't that a major gripe people have?

Yes I hear people complain about that 364 days year!

p0intblank
Aug 5, 2007, 08:12 PM
Leopard is going to be so freakin' cool! I can't wait to play around with it. :D

kungming2
Aug 5, 2007, 08:13 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Thanks a lot! :D The original site is as slow as molasses for the time being.

Wayfarer
Aug 5, 2007, 08:14 PM
I think the title bars are a little too dark. They don't go well with the rest of the windows.

Other than that, looks great EXCEPT FOR THAT UGLY ****ING MENU BAR.

Whoever designed that thing deserves to be fired and forced to work for Vista.

Whoa now, I wouldn't be so critical on the UI! I think the darker title bars provide a nice contrast with the white windows and makes it easier to distinguish the parts which you can grab and drag. I appreciate the consitency as well. As for the new dock and menubar, it's kind of growing on me. I think everything looks much cleaner. Between now and October, I suspect more refinements to the operating system will be made. Everyone should reserve their judgements until the final release. :)

kungming2
Aug 5, 2007, 08:19 PM
What's up with the spiraling in the AirPort menu?

The new side bar is perfect!

Hiding one's own personal networks, just like when people blur out their emails when they're taking screenshots of say, Gmail, for magazines.

apple_iBoy
Aug 5, 2007, 08:20 PM
Wow, I really find those new folders tough to distinguish at a quick glance! I wish they had some color cues like the current ones do.

Lesser Evets
Aug 5, 2007, 08:39 PM
I am not so impressed.

Sure, there are some new features but everything looks the same as now except for some transparency and reflected graphics in the dock. This isn't that exciting, unless you find crochet an endlessly mesmeric sport event.

I'll buy it, but I won't believe I am seeing something so totally revolutionary it demands fawning, grasping and gasping.

InLikeALion
Aug 5, 2007, 08:44 PM
Cheers!

Looks nice. New screensaver will be appreciated, I'm sick of flurry.

I have a PM G5 system with separate drives for system and storage, etc... and somehow in the process of splitting it all off, it developed a bug which keeps flurry as my screensaver on all my monitors - NO MATTER WHAT!

I have been stuck with flurry for 2-3 years! and have done everything from switching them to other in sys prefs, to deleting all actual mentions of flurry in spotlight searches- ITS STILL THERE! I can't wait for Leopard.

chumsdock
Aug 5, 2007, 08:46 PM
I love iCal's UI, looking exactly like iPhone's.

Maybe they will match this style to other untouched apps. I saw many untouched icons in Utilities folder.

offwidafairies
Aug 5, 2007, 08:51 PM
october is a great month - my belly button birthday and leopard release :D
coming in the package of a brand new mbp.... day at a time - but hurry up october!!!!!!!

Diabeetus
Aug 5, 2007, 08:57 PM
i'd like to see improvements for spotlight, and i wanna see those lights that show what apps are open in the dock a little more prominent.

TurboSC
Aug 5, 2007, 09:32 PM
I can't wait! hopefully they'll have a slimmer sexier macbookpro by then, I'm down.

StealthRider
Aug 5, 2007, 10:07 PM
NDA abuse or worse. Can't condone this sort of thing.
As a positive, at least they didn't uncover all of the new goodies in this build...

Care to come off the high horse and share?

I did notice that Exposé has its own app now, rather than just a Prefpane...is there anything major, or is just little "that's cool" tweaks?

I can't wait! hopefully they'll have a slimmer sexier macbookpro by then, I'm down.

The MBP is about a "slim and sexy" as a laptop that powerful can be...unless they find a way to cool it with liquid nitrogen :p

verniesgarden
Aug 5, 2007, 10:13 PM
i as really hoping to see finder get tabs in leopard

but i guess will have to wait till lion or cougar what ever they call 10.6
or maybe it'll be time to graduate to OS11 or maybe even OS16

MacAddict2000
Aug 5, 2007, 10:47 PM
I've said this before, but this is the first preview of a version of OS X that I have not liked. The menu bar has to be totally redone.

DaftUnion
Aug 5, 2007, 10:48 PM
That site is going really slow right now loading those images. Looks like I"ll have to try later.

Analog Kid
Aug 5, 2007, 11:16 PM
Have to complain about the transparent menubar again... I'd thought it was possible to turn off transparency, but I figured if that was true we'd see at least one screenshot somewhere with it opaque.

Unless the transparency is just so great in active use that everyone leaves it on.

Just makes me feel like I should push my windows up higher because the desktop is peeking through, not to mention the loss of contrast.

Wow, I really find those new folders tough to distinguish at a quick glance! I wish they had some color cues like the current ones do.
That's my principal complaint too... Everything is getting too monochrome. Color and shape are important for quick recognition.
i'd like to see improvements for spotlight, and i wanna see those lights that show what apps are open in the dock a little more prominent.
Someone suggested they were meant to be like "footlights" showing which apps are active. I'd like them to take the metaphor a step further and dim the icons that aren't active and brighten the ones that are-- as if the footlights were actually doing something. It would make it much faster to recognize the active apps to.

oxymoron2007
Aug 5, 2007, 11:20 PM
notice in this link - http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard/leopard_9a499_apps_quicklook.jpg - it says version 5 yet currently we are only on 3.5

i wonder why

Yeah, I noticed the same thing.

QuarterSwede
Aug 5, 2007, 11:32 PM
Looks like they are bringing back OS 9's colors (that dull purple gray). In the words of the horse in Ren & Stimpy, "No Sir, I don't like it."

StealthRider
Aug 5, 2007, 11:34 PM
I'd like them to take the metaphor a step further and dim the icons that aren't active and brighten the ones that are-- as if the footlights were actually doing something. It would make it much faster to recognize the active apps to.

There's something like that built-in to Tiger, where you can use a Terminal command to enable the dimming of icons for programs that are hidden...but I don't think it's a usable feature for people who faint at a CLI.

Analog Kid
Aug 5, 2007, 11:39 PM
There's something like that built-in to Tiger, where you can use a Terminal command to enable the dimming of icons for programs that are hidden...but I don't think it's a usable feature for people who faint at a CLI.
I want that as well, but it's different. That option makes the icon partially transparent to indicate it's hidden-- and I'd like to see that a standard feature. What I meant is make the icon dark (unlit) or bright (lit) depending on whether the footlights are on.

Edit: I should have mentioned you can enable the Tiger feature with TinkerTool and other apps to avoid the CLI...

mark!
Aug 6, 2007, 12:03 AM
The more and more I see of Leopard the more I don't like it.

Do they really have to make every fxcking in Leopard like iTunes???

CoverFlow on applications...what a freaking joke.

Master Atrus
Aug 6, 2007, 12:11 AM
Well I keep looking over Leopard and personally I think the idea of using an iTunes style interface is great, however I personally don't believe there is enough eye candy.

When you are using Vista (sadly I have), there is a lot of eye candy (whether you like it or not) and that appears to be missing.

I will tell everyone however after seeing more and more of the leopard icons, I think they look and work great. It reminds me of the manilla envelopes from work and seems to flow.

Just my two cents.:p

MacFly123
Aug 6, 2007, 12:20 AM
So I heard that the video back grounds in iChat will not work on a MacBook. It say it does not meat the processor requirements
I never heard that but it might make sense cause they have those crappy built in Intel Video Cards :( Those backgrounds are gunna be fun fun fun though, can't wait :D

I just want to see what iChat looks like, in detail...

I just hope they add a lot of the basic features that every other IM client has like offline IM, and notes, and alert or buzz someone, etc...

skinnylegs
Aug 6, 2007, 12:30 AM
I like what I see so far and I am looking forward to the actual release.

MacFly123
Aug 6, 2007, 12:35 AM
What happened to the media in the Finder??? Movies, Music, Pictures??? Can you put them in yourself??? They better be there, I use those all the time! Does anybody know anything about that???

NicP
Aug 6, 2007, 12:38 AM
I just hope they add a lot of the basic features that every other IM client has like offline IM, and notes, and alert or buzz someone, etc...

Offline IM -> email
notes -> what is this?
alert or buzz -> please no!!

MacFly123
Aug 6, 2007, 12:54 AM
Offline IM -> email
notes -> what is this?
alert or buzz -> please no!!

Writing an email is NOT the same as an offline IM, all I have to do is send and IM and if the person isn't online, right when they get on it pops on their screen. I don't wanna take 4 or 5 extra steps to send an email. This is basic, every IM client has that except iChat.

Notes is when the chat window gives you a tab or a spot where you can write down notes so every time you chat with that person you can look at notes you wrote before to remember things. VERY USEFUL!

Alert & Buzz may not be the most comforting thing, but it is VERY USEFUL if someone has their window hidden behind other things or you need to get their attention.

I really do like iChat, but lets be honest, it is lacking a lot of common features in the world of IM clients these days :( It is kind of like the iPhone now, I LOVE it and the new features, but it is missing very common things, like the iPhone is AMAZING but no MMS and things like that??? Come on..... :( I know those things will be added to the iPhone, and I will get mine as soon as they are. But if those features are not added to iChat now, then when will they be??? :(

obesecat55
Aug 6, 2007, 01:19 AM
What ever happened to resolution independence? This was one of the features I was most looking forward to.

Analog Kid
Aug 6, 2007, 01:51 AM
Do they really have to make every fxcking in Leopard like iTunes???

CoverFlow on applications...what a freaking joke.
I have to agree I don't understand why iTunes has become the holy grail of UI. Some of it makes sense-- the sidebar is actually more useful this way. Coverflow seems like a bit of a stretch, but there are places it's useful-- images for one. If they're going to make it available for image folders though, they may as well make it generally available and let people choose it when it makes sense for them.

chilipie
Aug 6, 2007, 02:04 AM
I have to agree I don't understand why iTunes has become the holy grail of UI. Some of it makes sense-- the sidebar is actually more useful this way. Coverflow seems like a bit of a stretch, but there are places it's useful-- images for one.
Yeah, well said. The one thing that puts me off using the iTunes style UI for everything is that I've found it to be the least stable of all the Apple apps I've used. Daft, I know, but it locks up on me at least once a week, usually resulting in a logout/login or a reboot, as it won't force quit properly. As I have it running pretty much all the time, it can be a bit of a pain.

alert or buzz -> please no!!
Agreed. Yeah, it could be useful for when you just haven't noticed that a new message has popped up, but when Microsoft put it into MSN Messenger (or Windows Live or whatever it's called now) I just turned the feature off. It just gets overused by tools that want me to reply instantly, not understanding that, unlike them, I don't use my computer for the sole purpose of being on IM.

What I really want from iChat is MSN support - I rarely (if ever) use AIM, Y!IM and Google Talk, even though I have accounts for them - I only use Adium over Messenger for Mac because it's prettier and more customisable. That said, if Apple were to implement MSN support, Adium and the like would quite possibly lose a huge chunk of the market.

inkswamp
Aug 6, 2007, 02:07 AM
i as really hoping to see finder get tabs in leopard

Same here. I was hoping there was some truth behind those fakes circulating a while back. Tabbed Finder windows would rock. But it looks like it's not happening. :(

BTW, I love the strange twist that Terminal is getting tabbed views, but not the Finder. I guess someone at Apple must understand why an outdated UI (command line) should get such a modern touch while the more modern UI (The Finder) doesn't. Oh well, go figure.

sw1tcher
Aug 6, 2007, 02:16 AM
Looking good. And they're moving along very quickly it seems.

Hope Apple can get this out in late Sept. or very early Oct.

Can't wait to play with it.

But WTF is up with Cover Flow for applications? Looks stupid to me.

Much Ado
Aug 6, 2007, 02:29 AM
Coverflow in the Finder is for when we get full-3D app icons in 10.6 :)

Can someone tell me whether Front Row is now an instant fade-in, or do you get the lovely little 'spin' from the desktop? I'll miss that if it's gone...

MA.

acslater017
Aug 6, 2007, 02:39 AM
What happened to the media in the Finder??? Movies, Music, Pictures??? Can you put them in yourself??? They better be there, I use those all the time! Does anybody know anything about that???

Yea, you can still put whatever places you want in the sidebar. In most of the screenshots I've seen, they're not there by default, but rather there are saved smart folders for "All Movies, "All Pictures", etc. which do a Spotlight search rather than being an actual directory on the drive.

VanNess
Aug 6, 2007, 02:43 AM
I have to agree I don't understand why iTunes has become the holy grail of UI. Some of it makes sense-- the sidebar is actually more useful this way.

The sidebar is actually quite useful in Tiger for two reasons: 1) it's completely user configurable, you can put anything you want in there (and take it right back out), put it in any order you want, and, 2) that exact configuration is propagated to the sidebar in open and save dialog boxes. That feature of Tiger's sidebar alone is worth it's weight in gold.

The problem with the iTunes-inspspired sidebar is that it appears to be hard-coded, what you see is what you get. I don't see (at least in the screenshots) where you can add your own stuff - if you can at all. And it reamins to be seen if you can drag Apple's hard-coded catagories into any order you see fit, or delete the ones you don't need.

If the sidebar isn't as user configurable as it is in Tiger, that's an absolute deal breaker for me.

I'm not warming up to Leopard's iFinder at all. It's bad enough that they used iTunes 7, the ugliest duckling of all Apple apps, as a basis for it - but why? Back when Tiger was introduced, Steve Jobs climbed onstage and told us that, with the advent of mass storage on modern computers, it was too hard to find stuff nowadays because of the thousands upon thousands of files and folders that everyone accumulates on their hard drives. Enter Spotlight, Apple's answer to your prayers. Now you can find just the file you're looking for in an instant. No more wasting time plowing around looking for your stuff.

Fast forward to 2007. Advancing the world's most advanced operating system, thanks to coverflow, now it's actually good to "browse" the files on your computer. Thousands and thousands of 'em. Who cares what you're looking for. Just stare at your screen in amazement as thousands upon thousands of those giant icons roll on by. It may not be productive, but who cares? It looks cool!

Someone suggested they were meant to be like "footlights" showing which apps are active.

The problem is that they look too much like the sunlight reflected water droplets on the leaves on the desktop pic Apple used. They may be more prominent and noticeable with some other desktop pic.

october is a great month - my belly button birthday and...

Wait! When was the rest of you born?

miniConvert
Aug 6, 2007, 03:11 AM
Looks promising. These pictures have further warmed me to Leopard.

Not too much longer and we'll be playing with it for ourselves.

koobcamuk
Aug 6, 2007, 03:25 AM
It say it does not meat the processor requirements

My MacBook isn't 'beefy' enough either ;)

Looks like iCal still shows July 17th. http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard/leopard_9a499_stacks.jpg

Isn't that a major gripe people have?

Yes. I wish it were today's date, but I guess an app for the menu bar makes up for it.

Mekgek
Aug 6, 2007, 03:39 AM
Hmmmmm I love all the new functionality, but I don't think I like all the UI "improvements" are good. It seems like they are changing stuff just for the sake of changing something.

Transperant menu bar: UGLY, what the hell are they thinking

New Dock: Hmmm so so, A bit too cheesy for my liking, I prefer the simple looks of the old one.

New folder icons: Plain dull, difficult to spot differences at a glance. The old icons can definately use a makeover but I don't like these new icons at all.

New Finder: Me likes, pathbar is a great addition. Hope they will introduce easy meta-data editing someday too.

Stacks: Great

Quicklook: Bloody excellent

Coverflow: Okay looks nice, but don't think I will be using it much

koobcamuk
Aug 6, 2007, 03:45 AM
This is basic, every IM client has that except iChat.

Liar! Tis not true!

Sharky II
Aug 6, 2007, 04:09 AM
Gallery comes up as forbidden for me...

superted666
Aug 6, 2007, 04:12 AM
Looks like its been taken down :(

Analog Kid
Aug 6, 2007, 04:13 AM
The problem with the iTunes-inspspired sidebar is that it appears to be hard-coded, what you see is what you get. I don't see (at least in the screenshots) where you can add your own stuff - if you can at all. And it reamins to be seen if you can drag Apple's hard-coded catagories into any order you see fit, or delete the ones you don't need.

Ooo. I hadn't noticed that! I like the same aspects of the sidebar that you're describing-- I hope they haven't gone away...

kvfb97
Aug 6, 2007, 04:41 AM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Here's a mirror mentions earlier in the topic for people to use.

c-Row
Aug 6, 2007, 04:48 AM
CoverFlow on applications...what a freaking joke.

I think it looks a bit awkward with application icons that are otherwise semi-3D (like iCal).

Evangelion
Aug 6, 2007, 04:55 AM
I'll buy it, but I won't believe I am seeing something so totally revolutionary it demands fawning, grasping and gasping.

When did we see anything "totally revolutionary" in OS X? Maybe in version 10.0, but it was so buggy and slow that it was next to useless. Since then OS X has been about evolutionary progress. Every version introduced some nifty new features while making the overall OS faster and more robust. And the same thing goes on in Leopard.

Was there anything "totally revolutionary" in Tiger? No. How about Panther? No. Jaguar? No.

The more and more I see of Leopard the more I don't like it.

Do they really have to make every fxcking in Leopard like iTunes???

CoverFlow on applications...what a freaking joke.

Then don't use CoverFlow. it really is as simple as that. Then you can have a Finder that is very similar to the one you use today, apart from host of improvements. Not to mention all the other benefits Leopard gives you.

I find it really strange when people complain about features in Leopard that they are in no shape or form forced to use. CoverFlow (for example) is totally optional, and those who do not want to use it, can choose to ignore it.

BKKbill
Aug 6, 2007, 05:39 AM
Looks just great to me. Does this mean now that the date October 31 for Leopard has been posted all the buyers of the new iMac will get the discounted price for it. :)

garethh
Aug 6, 2007, 05:42 AM
From looking at the picture of the full desktop I am still concerned about the little blue lights in the dock. They don't seem to stand out in contrast to the dock floor. How do people who have used it find them?

Actually, I remember before the original public beta of 10.0 was released they had three little black dots in the screenshots, instead of the triangles. When the beta was released they had suddenly changed into the triangles to improve visibility, so you never know what will happen.

iTone
Aug 6, 2007, 05:44 AM
PLEASE tell me you can make the top bar SOLID WHITE and i can remove the see through look.

Manic Mouse
Aug 6, 2007, 05:47 AM
PLEASE tell me you can make the top bar SOLID WHITE and i can remove the see through look.

I'm sure there'll be some kind of hack if this isn't the case. That being said, I'm warming to the new look!

Much Ado
Aug 6, 2007, 05:48 AM
PLEASE tell me you can make the top bar SOLID WHITE and i can remove the see through look.

You can.

But it won't be solid white it will be the grey gradient it is in Tiger.

aafuss1
Aug 6, 2007, 06:14 AM
I'm suprised Apple hasn't asked the sites to remove the images-unlike on previous occasions.

Can't wait until October.

And CoverFlow's usuage should be controlled-perhaps only Apple's apps can use it,third-parties can't.

mark!
Aug 6, 2007, 06:20 AM
Then don't use CoverFlow. it really is as simple as that. Then you can have a Finder that is very similar to the one you use today, apart from host of improvements. Not to mention all the other benefits Leopard gives you.

I find it really strange when people complain about features in Leopard that they are in no shape or form forced to use. CoverFlow (for example) is totally optional, and those who do not want to use it, can choose to ignore it.

They really are making everything like iTunes, CoverFlow was just one of my examples (as you said). So, my friend, it really isn't as simple as "don't use CoverFlow" (unfortunately). And don't get your knickers in a knot, I know Leopard has useful features.

offwidafairies
Aug 6, 2007, 07:13 AM
When I wake up it will be TUESDAY AUGUST 7th in USA :D


Wait! When was the rest of you born?

Hee hee :p thats for me to know and you to wonder about ;)

chabig
Aug 6, 2007, 07:53 AM
What ever happened to resolution independence? This was one of the features I was most looking forward to.

It's in there. What were you expecting to see?

HyperX
Aug 6, 2007, 08:12 AM
Is there a mirror casuse I get a 403 error.

bytethese
Aug 6, 2007, 08:31 AM
Is there a mirror casuse I get a 403 error.

Yep, I get the same 403 error as well...

NicP
Aug 6, 2007, 08:40 AM
Writing an email is NOT the same as an offline IM, all I have to do is send and IM and if the person isn't online, right when they get on it pops on their screen. I don't wanna take 4 or 5 extra steps to send an email. This is basic, every IM client has that except iChat.


Its just as many steps to send an email as it is to send and IM on my computer?
Right click mail ->new message, type in the recipient, compose the message, send VS
click on ichat/adium, select the recipient (from a long list), compose the message, send

And as soon as someone is back at their computer its there in their inbox


Notes is when the chat window gives you a tab or a spot where you can write down notes so every time you chat with that person you can look at notes you wrote before to remember things. VERY USEFUL!


This sounds pretty cool.


Alert & Buzz may not be the most comforting thing, but it is VERY USEFUL if someone has their window hidden behind other things or you need to get their attention.


Isn't the dock bouncing enough?


I really do like iChat, but lets be honest, it is lacking a lot of common features in the world of IM clients these days :( It is kind of like the iPhone now, I LOVE it and the new features, but it is missing very common things, like the iPhone is AMAZING but no MMS and things like that??? Come on..... :( I know those things will be added to the iPhone, and I will get mine as soon as they are. But if those features are not added to iChat now, then when will they be??? :(


Its also missing (native) MSN messenger support and in my part of the world almost everyone uses msn.

Thomas2006
Aug 6, 2007, 08:52 AM
Transparent menu bar: UGLY, what the hell are they thinking

New Dock: Hmmm so so, A bit too cheesy for my liking, I prefer the simple looks of the old one.
I believe these two go hand-in-hand and the purpose is to give the 3-D appearance of looking out your window. Think of the bezel as your window frame, the dock as your windowsill, and the icons as items sitting on it. If the menu bar wasn't transparent and the application window filled the height of the screen then it would be like a shade hanging within the window frame and you would only be able to see "under" the application window. The menu bar's transparency allows you to see "over" the application's window giving the appearance it is floating just outside your window frame.

New folder icons: Plain dull, difficult to spot differences at a glance. The old icons can definately use a makeover but I don't like these new icons at all.
I think the current folder icons are temporary and look like they do just so you know what they hold. They will either keep the same color/design and get colored icons or Apple will come up with a new design and when the folder is double-clicked, will open and "spill" its contents into the window covering what is already there. Think genie-effect but from a bird's-eye view.

TheSpaz
Aug 6, 2007, 09:30 AM
I think everything about Leopard's UI looks really rough and sketchy. The scroll bars are ugly as hell... the shadows are nasty... the Finder window buttons (iTunes Style) look awkward and the icons aren't even centered in them (look at the back and forward arrows). The new icons aren't that great and the 3D Dock looks really really bad... the perspective is all wrong and the new divider just throws that off even more. The reflections are stupid as well. The new menu bar is just plain lame. When you click on it, it still highlights blue. I think Leopard is the worst for GUI that I've seen in a Mac OS X release to date... even worse than I thought Panther was. I think my favorite OS X GUI was Jaguar (at the time) I'm quite happy with Tiger's GUI and I've gotten used to everything but, Leopard looks like a huge jump into ugly-ville. Also, with everything being vector now, I bet Leopard will be impossible to theme. Yay... *sigh*. I guess no more Max Rudberg to the rescue.

PLEASE tell me you can make the top bar SOLID WHITE and i can remove the see through look.

You cannot change this with any preference as of yet.

brianus
Aug 6, 2007, 09:38 AM
I think everything about Leopard's UI looks really rough and sketchy. The scroll bars are ugly as hell... the shadows are nasty... the Finder window buttons (iTunes Style) look awkward and the icons aren't even centered in them (look at the back and forward arrows). The new icons aren't that great and the 3D Dock looks really really bad... the perspective is all wrong and the new divider just throws that off even more. The reflections are stupid as well. The new menu bar is just plain lame. When you click on it, it still highlights blue. I think Leopard is the worst for GUI that I've seen in a Mac OS X release to date... even worse than I thought Panther was. I think my favorite OS X GUI was Jaguar (at the time) I'm quite happy with Tiger's GUI and I've gotten used to everything but, Leopard looks like a huge jump into ugly-ville. Also, with everything being vector now, I bet Leopard will be impossible to theme. Yay... *sigh*. I guess no more Max Rudberg to the rescue.

Have to agree with you there. It's like they transitioned all of their talented UI people to iPhone work and let the fanboys design Leopard -- and I mean, c'mon, "unified UI"? That's the most counterproductive fanboy wish ever. You can hardly tell an iTunes window from the Finder now! Exposť just got a whole lot less useful.

Confused about your scrollbar comment though -- they look identical to the Tiger ones, from what I can see.

TheSpaz
Aug 6, 2007, 09:40 AM
Its just as many steps to send an email as it is to send and IM on my computer?
Right click mail ->new message, type in the recipient, compose the message, send VS
click on ichat/adium, select the recipient (from a long list), compose the message, send

And as soon as someone is back at their computer its there in their inbox


I don't think so. I hate writing emails.... also, I don't know everyone's email that's on my buddy list... also, how often are people checking their email? I only check my email if I'm expecting something or if I accidentally mis-click and click on Mail.app. People are on AIM way more than they are checking email. They sign onto iChat and BOOM a new message from me because I happened to have a question while they were offline... I don't see how I would need to send an email about it and hope they thought about checking their email... I just know if someone sent me an email, I wouldn't see it for at least a few days and by then it may be too late.


I think the current folder icons are temporary and look like they do just so you know what they hold. They will either keep the same color/design and get colored icons or Apple will come up with a new design and when the folder is double-clicked, will open and "spill" its contents into the window covering what is already there. Think genie-effect but from a bird's-eye view.

Umm..... No. The icons are staying (they put way too much work and detail into them to make them simple placeholders)... and as for the "spill" theory.... umm... no... definitely no.

brianus
Aug 6, 2007, 09:43 AM
The problem with the iTunes-inspspired sidebar is that it appears to be hard-coded, what you see is what you get. I don't see (at least in the screenshots) where you can add your own stuff - if you can at all. And it reamins to be seen if you can drag Apple's hard-coded catagories into any order you see fit, or delete the ones you don't need.

If the sidebar isn't as user configurable as it is in Tiger, that's an absolute deal breaker for me.


Yeah, that'd really suck. I'm guessing you can still drag folders in, at least to the "PLACES" section. Not sure how you'd create smart folders; it's probably a menu option but there should be a Smart Folder button in the status bar below the sidebar too, like in iTunes.

I'll also definitely miss the variable-size (and, by default, large) icons from Aqua. Bigger drop targets make sense when they're frequently used and there are only a few of them, which is the whole idea of the sidebar. For the life of me I cannot understand this drive towards less UI flexibility. Squared off windows, tiny, unresizable icons, drab, metal-inspired UIs.. why are we going backwards?

Umm..... No. The icons are staying (they put way too much work and detail into them to make them simple placeholders)... and as for the "spill" theory.... umm... no... definitely no.

Does beg the question though -- what do the new folder icons look like in the 'open' position?

Peel
Aug 6, 2007, 10:13 AM
I don't think so. I hate writing emails.... also, I don't know everyone's email that's on my buddy list... also, how often are people checking their email? I only check my email if I'm expecting something or if I accidentally mis-click and click on Mail.app. People are on AIM way more than they are checking email. They sign onto iChat and BOOM a new message from me because I happened to have a question while they were offline... I don't see how I would need to send an email about it and hope they thought about checking their email... I just know if someone sent me an email, I wouldn't see it for at least a few days and by then it may be too late.

Looks like we all have diffee\rent workflows for communicating. I keep mail open constantly, and an IM app only about half the time. You send me an email and (if I'm at my computer) I'll read it and reply within a minute. I will with IM as well, if it's running. I guess it would be nice for both mail and iChat users to be able to more easily communicate. Give us offline IMs, and let us know when reading or composing an email if the sender/recipient is currently online.

MrCrowbar
Aug 6, 2007, 10:23 AM
Looks like we all have diffee\rent workflows for communicating. I keep mail open constantly, and an IM app only about half the time. You send me an email and (if I'm at my computer) I'll read it and reply within a minute. I will with IM as well, if it's running. I guess it would be nice for both mail and iChat users to be able to more easily communicate. Give us offline IMs, and let us know when reading or composing an email if the sender/recipient is currently online.

Yea, I do it all in Mail too. In combination with GrowlMail (google Growl, it comes with the Mail Plugin), it's really awesome. And there's a nice preference in Mail to check Mails once a minute:

http://tinyurl.com/259sm4

mongoos150
Aug 6, 2007, 10:45 AM
I think everything about Leopard's UI looks really rough and sketchy. The scroll bars are ugly as hell... the shadows are nasty... the Finder window buttons (iTunes Style) look awkward and the icons aren't even centered in them (look at the back and forward arrows). The new icons aren't that great and the 3D Dock looks really really bad... the perspective is all wrong and the new divider just throws that off even more. The reflections are stupid as well. The new menu bar is just plain lame. When you click on it, it still highlights blue. I think Leopard is the worst for GUI that I've seen in a Mac OS X release to date... even worse than I thought Panther was. I think my favorite OS X GUI was Jaguar (at the time) I'm quite happy with Tiger's GUI and I've gotten used to everything but, Leopard looks like a huge jump into ugly-ville. Also, with everything being vector now, I bet Leopard will be impossible to theme. Yay... *sigh*. I guess no more Max Rudberg to the rescue.Completely disagree. ;)

benspratling
Aug 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
I think it's interesting how two new features in Leopard things are constantly maligned, the transparent menu bar, which looks like the way a drunk guy would see the world (it's too bright, it's blurry, and there are these wierd floating splotches in my way...), and the new folder icons. I do like the blur effect - that's cool, and it helps the user not get confused by transparency, but the drift towards metal-looking things I don't like. (yeay for no more metal Finder!) You can't do metal effectively on a computer screen because metal gets its look from the different images that go to each eye based on the different reflections. Your brain realizes the images do not match up, realizes they are not at the location that the shape dictates, and realizes it's either reflecting or transparent.

If you have only one image to send to each eye, like on a computer screen, then you completely loose the effect and it comes off looking like plastic or just painted foam. I much prefer the candy/water-looking stuff (ahem, "Aqua").

I do like, however, the tendancy for Apple to realize the coolness of what they do in iTunes can propagate to everything else, too. I think Cover Flow is the eye candy of Mac OS X 10.4-10.5 like the genie efect was of 10.0-10.3.

Speaking of bad user interfaces, who thinks Adobe will ever learn to make a good UI? The Apple color picker and color/contrast display in iPhoto alone blow Adobe's crappy designers out of the water. And talk about Windows having too many dialog boxes, sheesh! I think Adobe has got more dialog boxes in Illustrator than all of Windows! And why are settings for effects in Photoshop modal, huh? I mean, really!

Ok enough about that. I just hope Apple doesn't take design ques from the Adobe guys.

MarkMS
Aug 6, 2007, 12:30 PM
http://www.carbonnine.com/leopard

^^ mirror ^^

Took long enough to download them all, may aswell hopefully speed it up for the rest of you
and take a load off the WOA servers :)

Thanks for the mirror link.

Alloye
Aug 6, 2007, 12:53 PM
Another round of screenshots, another round of opinions. Mine is that Leopard looks fantastic with the exception of the transparent menu bar. I especially like the unified window borders, the complete removal of pin-stripes and brushed metal, and the iTunes-style UI in the Finder.

As for the Aqua scrollbars, they are OK, but I'd much rather see the iTunes-style ones adopted throughout the OS.

zioxide
Aug 6, 2007, 01:51 PM
I think everything about Leopard's UI looks really rough and sketchy. The scroll bars are ugly as hell... the shadows are nasty... the Finder window buttons (iTunes Style) look awkward and the icons aren't even centered in them (look at the back and forward arrows). The new icons aren't that great and the 3D Dock looks really really bad... the perspective is all wrong and the new divider just throws that off even more. The reflections are stupid as well. The new menu bar is just plain lame. When you click on it, it still highlights blue. I think Leopard is the worst for GUI that I've seen in a Mac OS X release to date... even worse than I thought Panther was. I think my favorite OS X GUI was Jaguar (at the time) I'm quite happy with Tiger's GUI and I've gotten used to everything but, Leopard looks like a huge jump into ugly-ville. Also, with everything being vector now, I bet Leopard will be impossible to theme. Yay... *sigh*. I guess no more Max Rudberg to the rescue.

QFT.

iTone
Aug 6, 2007, 02:07 PM
You can.

But it won't be solid white it will be the grey gradient it is in Tiger.

thank god. i am just not feeling that see through look.

TheSpaz
Aug 6, 2007, 02:56 PM
QFT.

Nevermind... just looked it up. I didn't realize it was a nice comment.

DONE.

NEXT!

Braz0s
Aug 6, 2007, 03:18 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

WorldofApple (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2007/08/03/detailed-look-at-latest-leopard-build-9a499/) has posted an extensive gallery (http://worldofapple.com/photos/Leopard/9A499) of screenshots from Apple's latest Leopard (9A499) build that was seeded to developers in late July (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/25/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-leopard-9a499-to-developers/).

They detail visual enhancements that have been detailed before (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/27/mac-os-x-leopard-9a499-visual-enhancements/) but along with an extensive gallery (http://worldofapple.com/photos/Leopard/9A499) of images of Apple's upcoming operating system.

Apple has announced that Leopard will be released in October of 2007.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/05/gallery-of-leopard-9a499-images/)

In the past Apple has offered a free upgrade to the new OS if a machine was pruchased within a certain window (30? 60? 90 days?). Does anyone think that's going to be done this time?

obesecat55
Aug 6, 2007, 03:27 PM
It's in there. What were you expecting to see?

I was expecting to see the Zoom feature in Universal Access to be not pixellated. I haven't seen anything about that though.

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 04:04 AM
They really are making everything like iTunes, CoverFlow was just one of my examples (as you said). So, my friend, it really isn't as simple as "don't use CoverFlow" (unfortunately).

Um, yes it is. you are not forced to use it. Sure, you still have the iTunes-esque sidebar, but I see no problems with it. Do you see a problem with it? what kind? The fact that it's somewhat similar to iTunes? And that's bad why? It's actually a good thing for things to be similar, that way you only have to learn one scheme.

Hell, I can also see CoverFlow as an useful feature: combined with Quicklook it can really change the way you interact with your files.