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MacRumors
Aug 7, 2007, 01:11 PM
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As rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/06/mac-update-coming-at-august-7th-media-event/), Apple has updated its .Mac services suite.

In addition to Web Gallery, which was introduced as an integrated part of iLife '08 (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/ilife-08-introduced/), Apple is bumping up the standard storage size from 1 GB to 10 GB. The price remains $99 for a one year personal subscription. Family packs are available.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/apple-updates-mac/)



pdpfilms
Aug 7, 2007, 01:15 PM
Unless we see some improved functionality, this is a pretty lame update. Certainly not worthy of mentioning months ago when asked about a .Mac revamp.

bearda
Aug 7, 2007, 01:15 PM
Not impressed so far. I'm canceling and not turning back as soon as someone comes up with a good way to sync my contacts between my Mac Mini and my iBook.

DamnDJ
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
Still not free :(

iomar
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
WOW, I think this is really sweet, I love the 10 GB upgrade. I have been using the 1 GB storage for a while and I was almost full with it. I will renew my subscription soon again!!!

ejg930
Aug 7, 2007, 01:16 PM
Still not going to buy it... I'll wait for Back to my Mac in Leopard.

Merser
Aug 7, 2007, 01:17 PM
Any guess as to whether or not that is extended to current subscribers? I just renewed 1.5 months ago???

CmdrLaForge
Aug 7, 2007, 01:18 PM
I am really disappointed with the new dotMac. When Steve talked about it at D5 I really thought he knows that they should bring it to a new level. Maybe with integration of some Google services like documents etc.

I will not subscribe if thats all.

CANEHDN
Aug 7, 2007, 01:19 PM
At least it's 10GB. That's way more than I would have thought they would do. Hopefully they continue to add stuff in the near future.

kalisphoenix
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
Drat. That's fairly unimpressive.

appledrummer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:20 PM
is this the end of the event? I heard it was suposed to be 3 hours

Mac Pro 5GB
Aug 7, 2007, 01:22 PM
I am happy with the update to .Mac services. 10GB and seamless integration is worth it.

tribulation
Aug 7, 2007, 01:22 PM
That's seriously all they could do with it? I've never seen such a pathetic attempt by Apple, that's lasted this insanely long on the market. Well, the iTV is headed there I guess.

Really though, how many years has that service been around? How many ways do you really need to share a few photos? My god. :mad:

bravedeer
Aug 7, 2007, 01:23 PM
All members get 10GB. I just logged into .Mac and it says my account now features 10GB. Sadly I'll have to wait for iPhoto 7 to use the web galleries :(

CasinoOwl
Aug 7, 2007, 01:25 PM
This is a disappointing upgrade to dot mac. I use dot mac to sync info between two computers, publish calendars to the web, make iweb sites, and do backups. I know I can do all these things in other ways but I like the one button ease of it all. I would leave it if something as easy came along.

I know that people in these forums get upset when the announcement doesn't meet their expectations. So this is not a rant. But I hope that Apple delivers something much more in the near future.

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 01:27 PM
I think I just might have to subscribe. I was expecting 8GB, so 10GB is a pleasant surprise. My current email is getting swamped with junk (mail.app does filter it, but it takes time and it fills up my webmail), so .mac email might be a nice change.

srobert
Aug 7, 2007, 01:30 PM
10GB is sweet but dang! I love the new web interface and upload/download speeds! It'S so responsive now!

CrackedButter
Aug 7, 2007, 01:31 PM
Any guess as to whether or not that is extended to current subscribers? I just renewed 1.5 months ago???

Yes, don't fret, they upgrade everybody. This is pretty sweet upgrade for me, every year I'm impressed and have suscribed now for 3 years.

Detlev
Aug 7, 2007, 01:33 PM
2:33 EST and I still have 1 GB of space...

waiting to upload :rolleyes:

crazedbytheheat
Aug 7, 2007, 01:35 PM
I was going to let my subscription laps in October, but think I'll renew now. 10 GB and cleaner personal domains are sweet. I really like how easy it is to publish w/ iWeb, iPhoto, and iMovie. Not to mention the synch and offsite backups.

FriarTuck
Aug 7, 2007, 01:37 PM
I can now use my own domain name, and storage and bandwidth get significant bumps. Good enough for me.

izzle22
Aug 7, 2007, 01:38 PM
Still not free :(

Never Going To Be Free! Get yahoo if you want free. iPods arn't free either.

viccles
Aug 7, 2007, 01:39 PM
This may seem like a stupid question but does that space upgrade also include email storage?

Ok it looks like not. DOH

srobert
Aug 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
This may seem like a stupid question but does that space upgrade also include email storage?

Ok it looks like not. DOH

Yes. You choose how much space gets alloted to .Mac Mail in the settings then the rest is used by iDisk.

Willis
Aug 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
argh... we added more space to our .Mac account about 2/3 months back... bah!

Doctor Q
Aug 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
Is anybody using a .Mac Family Pack? Is it worthwhile?

wngraham
Aug 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
Just like before, you divide the 10 GB between Mail and iDisk space.

Eduardo1971
Aug 7, 2007, 01:45 PM
is this the end of the event? I heard it was suposed to be 3 hours

Umm, I read two other Apple-related web-sites that mentioned that Apple reserved two hour for the event. Three would also not make sense since it would run into the 1200 pm lunch hour (yummy; lunch).

Simon R.
Aug 7, 2007, 01:47 PM
You know what? .Mac will never take off until Apple makes it free like MSN or FaceBook. They don't stand a chance, and I think it's a very stupid move on Apple. I have a lot of friends that own Macs - but none of them use .Mac for sharing photos or anything (actually they don't use it at all). Nobody wants to pay for this kind of service, including myself. If it was free I am sure all of us would try it out and start using it and Apple would get a lot of "internet market share" and be able to make money on advertising and what else comes with this kind of community. But now... not happening.

Rocketman
Aug 7, 2007, 01:48 PM
$30 off that price when you buy it with a new CPU (either single or family).

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/holidaygg/promobar/promobar_dotmac.html

Rocketman

aricher
Aug 7, 2007, 01:49 PM
I had been paying for 4 GB of storage on .mac - they upped my account to 30 GB (30720 MB) with 250 GB Data Transfer/month. :)

crazedbytheheat
Aug 7, 2007, 01:49 PM
Looks like the store wasn't quite ready to go live. I was trying to order iLife (most used app in our house) and encountering all kinds of errors. They just took it back offline. I did notice that iWorks is also instantly available.

Spades
Aug 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
I can now use my own domain name, and storage and bandwidth get significant bumps. Good enough for me.

That is my #1 request for .Mac. Glad to see it's there. I'm going to set things up right now.

And it's telling me it can't configure domains at this time. Guess I wait a little longer.

crazedbytheheat
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
That is my #1 request for .Mac. Glad to see it's there. I'm going to set things up right now.

And it's telling me it can't configure domains at this time. Guess I wait a little longer.

According to .mac you have to have iLife '08 to configure. I was heading to do the same thing. :)

MattyRobUK
Aug 7, 2007, 01:56 PM
.Mac has always interested me from afar but I've always thought that anything more than free is too expensive!

Evangelion
Aug 7, 2007, 01:57 PM
OK, help out an .Mac and IMAP-newbie.... You have 10GB of storage. and that space can be split between mail and iDisk. If you use iWeb, it will eat the iDisk-space, right? Or is there a third setting for the website?

Also, mail... suppose you set aside 1GB of space for mail... When that space gets full, can you remove mail from the server, while keeping them in the local machine? It's my understand that IMAP keeps the mail between the local machine and server in sync.

Third: all this .Mac-stuff works very well with iPhoto. How about Aperture?

FeralCat
Aug 7, 2007, 02:02 PM
They also added junk mail support to the .Mac webmail. You can enable junk mail now, and also have junk mail automatically moved to the Junk folder. I hope that this works for all incoming email, so that I don't see as much junk in my iPhone inbox (I get about 4-5 a day). Just turned it on (it's in Mail Preferences), so I don't know how well it works yet, but we'll see.

I never noticed that you could have a photo tied to your outgoing mail before, but I don't know if that's new, too. Looks like there were a few unannounced features added to .Mac, and not just web galleries...

robalan
Aug 7, 2007, 02:04 PM
I had been paying for 4 GB of storage on .mac - they upped my account to 30 GB (30720 MB) with 250 GB Data Transfer/month. :)

I get the same. Oddly the updated .mac features page on storage says:

"Storage upgrades. For big appetites.

If that’s still not enough to meet your needs, you can purchase an additional 10GB of online storage for a total of 20GB and 200GB of monthly data transfer."

keithos27
Aug 7, 2007, 02:09 PM
this is a nice little update to .mac but hardly anythign groundbreaking like i was hoping for... especially given the fact that steve jobs has acknowledged that they (apple) have not fully utilized .mac's potential. :(

pkpkast
Aug 7, 2007, 02:10 PM
My storage reads 10 GB, but the data transfer limit hasn't increased...what gives, no transfer limit upgrade???

srobert
Aug 7, 2007, 02:11 PM
this is a nice little update to .mac but hardly anythign groundbreaking like i was hoping for... especially given the fact that steve jobs has acknowledged that they (apple) have not fully utilized .mac's potential. :(

I think the big new features will come with Leopard (e.g.: Access all your computers remotely). Today, Steve probably only mentioned .Mac's increased storage space because of iLife's new online features.

JPark
Aug 7, 2007, 02:14 PM
You know what? .Mac will never take off until Apple makes it free like MSN or FaceBook. They don't stand a chance, and I think it's a very stupid move on Apple. I have a lot of friends that own Macs - but none of them use .Mac for sharing photos or anything (actually they don't use it at all). Nobody wants to pay for this kind of service, including myself. If it was free I am sure all of us would try it out and start using it and Apple would get a lot of "internet market share" and be able to make money on advertising and what else comes with this kind of community. But now... not happening.

"Make money on advertising" isn't apple's way of doing things. I really can't imagine an apple site with flash ads all over. On the other hand, they have been partnering with Google a lot lately...

In any case, I'd rather pay the money and have my site be ad-free.

pkpkast
Aug 7, 2007, 02:19 PM
My storage reads 10 GB, but the data transfer limit hasn't increased...what gives, no transfer limit upgrade???

Nevermind, just found this:

Mac monitors the amount of "data transfer" (the amount of information viewed by visitors to your websites) associated with each .Mac account in order to ensure a high level of performance for all .Mac users. When you purchase a .Mac membership, you receive 10 gigabytes (GB) of storage and up to 100 GB of data transfer capacity per month.

Although my .mac account still reads 10 GB transfer limit, I'm sure it will update soon...

zim
Aug 7, 2007, 02:20 PM
My storage space shows the 10GB.. adjusted my email to 600MB which is plenty for me—I do a lot of sorting.

My wife's email only account still says 50MB yet on the FAQ it says email only accounts are 512MB, looking forward to that update :)

Overall very happy and hope that this will be a yearly event and not a every now and then when we look bad sorta thing.

Hoping to get iLife08 so I can try out the domain feature :)

ilogic
Aug 7, 2007, 02:21 PM
.Mac has always interested me from afar but I've always thought that anything more than free is too expensive!

Free is best... Realistically, even if the price 49.99$ it would grow exponentially among us, 99$ for a service that is easily free on the internet is silly. Even over convenience, the threshold is blocked...

HelixOmnimedia
Aug 7, 2007, 02:24 PM
Hey

I got a .Mac "account" for Christmas, but i haven't activated it, I was/am waiting until I finish university to start the yearly subscription as then I'll have more time to create sites in iWeb and actually use it more than when i did during term time.

My question is... will what i have in "the box" still work with the new updates announced today? (Probably will but i'd like to make sure)

THANKS

keithos27
Aug 7, 2007, 02:27 PM
I think the big new features will come with Leopard (e.g.: Access all your computers remotely). Today, Steve probably only mentioned .Mac's increased storage space because of iLife's new online features.

interesting... i didn't know that was a confirmed feature of .mac to come?!?!

NightStorm
Aug 7, 2007, 02:30 PM
According to .mac you have to have iLife '08 to configure. I was heading to do the same thing. :)
I was able to configure it without iLife '08 (although it does say it requires iWeb '08; I have no idea why). My registrar is in the process of changing the CNAME record so I guess I'll see shortly.

Flowbee
Aug 7, 2007, 02:32 PM
Is anybody using a .Mac Family Pack? Is it worthwhile?

I'll be buying the family pack later today. My wife currently has an "email only' account, but she'll surely want to have her own gallery and iWeb site.

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 02:33 PM
.Mac says the 10GB storage will be available Aug.14th.

megfilmworks
Aug 7, 2007, 02:34 PM
2:33 EST and I still have 1 GB of space...

waiting to upload :rolleyes:

I have 10 GB now, automatically. Nice change. I almost bought more storage a few weeks ago, but it felt like a rip off....now I feel like I'm getting what I pay for!

megfilmworks
Aug 7, 2007, 02:38 PM
You know what? .Mac will never take off until Apple makes it free like MSN or FaceBook. They don't stand a chance, and I think it's a very stupid move on Apple. I have a lot of friends that own Macs - but none of them use .Mac for sharing photos or anything (actually they don't use it at all). Nobody wants to pay for this kind of service, including myself. If it was free I am sure all of us would try it out and start using it and Apple would get a lot of "internet market share" and be able to make money on advertising and what else comes with this kind of community. But now... not happening.
Don't agree, although the tweenies are a huge market, I for one would never visit a site like facebook or whatever, just too many ads and other catches, way too juvenille.

srobert
Aug 7, 2007, 02:45 PM
interesting... i didn't know that was a confirmed feature of .mac to come?!?!

Well. It still is on Apple's website (http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/finder.html) (Mac OS X -> Leopard -> Features -> Finder). I hope this functionality doesn't get dropped by the time Leopard is released because it sounds VERY convenient.

And now, back to my Mac.
Ever need something on your Mac when you were thousands of miles from home? With Back to My Mac and a .Mac account, you can connect to any of your Macs at home from any Mac on the Internet. Your home computers will appear in the shared section of the sidebar just as they do when you’re in the living room.

Babasyzygy
Aug 7, 2007, 02:48 PM
I have 10 GB now, automatically. Nice change. I almost bought more storage a few weeks ago, but it felt like a rip off....now I feel like I'm getting what I pay for!

Hm.

The web site shows me as having 10 GB (and I fiddled with the balance some, 1 GB for mail 9 GB for disk), but my iDisk preference is still stuck at 1 GB :(

Claytoniss
Aug 7, 2007, 02:51 PM
Don't agree, although the tweenies are a huge market, I for one would never visit a site like facebook or whatever, just too many ads and other catches, way too juvenille.

I agree, nothing is free and you get what you pay for(now at least) I love no ads on my mail service. I will always be a dotmac member. 4eva!

zim
Aug 7, 2007, 02:56 PM
.Mac says the 10GB storage will be available Aug.14th.

Mine is updated, just waiting for the 512MB of email only space for my wife.

Don't agree, although the tweenies are a huge market, I for one would never visit a site like facebook or whatever, just too many ads and other catches, way too juvenille.

Agree. Although there are some new socializing/networking/blog sites, lesser known, ones that look promising. Also know that some of those sites are now censoring things like external links etc... Thanks to Ask a Ninja for the info :)

Hm.

The web site shows me as having 10 GB (and I fiddled with the balance some, 1 GB for mail 9 GB for disk), but my iDisk preference is still stuck at 1 GB :(

My iDisk preferences updated after I played with my online preferences... I bet it will take until Aug 14th, as quoted above, to work everything out. As happy as I am, I want iLife08 to test everything out... hopefully it is shipping or in stores this weekend (MA tax free holiday :))

gstylez
Aug 7, 2007, 02:58 PM
Ok... so they increased it to 10GB. I mean it may seem pretty low compared to hosting companies out there, but no one has a web gallery interface like .Mac. Keep that in mind.

No ads, pro design, web 2.0, easy sync, you can go on and on....

SAMPLE http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker

offwidafairies
Aug 7, 2007, 02:58 PM
looks like those thin keyboard rumours were true :p

zim
Aug 7, 2007, 03:02 PM
Ok... so they increased it to 10GB. I mean it may seem pretty low compared to hosting companies out there, but no one has a web gallery interface like .Mac. Keep that in mind.

No ads, pro design, web 2.0, easy sync, you can go on and on....

SAMPLE http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker

Nice photos :) Great example.. thanks for sharing. How easy was it for you to get this up and going? Why am I asking.. I should just go and do it!

thestaton
Aug 7, 2007, 03:14 PM
Nice photos :) Great example.. thanks for sharing. How easy was it for you to get this up and going? Why am I asking.. I should just go and do it!

wow. very impressive. can't wait to get my copy of iLife 08!

FriarTuck
Aug 7, 2007, 03:17 PM
Is anybody using a .Mac Family Pack? Is it worthwhile?

It has worked nicely for our family. I get the master account for the family iWeb site and my email, each of my kids has his own iWeb site and email (with everything forwarded to me for safety), and they have another account just for the fun little podcast they do with their friends via Garageband/iWeb.

I got the family pack at a significant discount on eBay and it worked fine.

bankshot
Aug 7, 2007, 03:20 PM
Wow, not only does the new web gallery not support Panther's Safari, but it doesn't even have a fallback mode for older browsers. You're just locked out. Pathetic! :eek:

From http://gallery.mac.com/g/incompatible.html?url=http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker

This browser is incompatible with .Mac Web Gallery.
We support the following browsers:
Mac OS X
Firefox 1.5 or later

Nice photos :) Great example.. thanks for sharing. How easy was it for you to get this up and going? Why am I asking.. I should just go and do it!

This is Apple's example, linked from http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/#webgallery

harveypooka
Aug 7, 2007, 03:25 PM
Unless we see some improved functionality, this is a pretty lame update. Certainly not worthy of mentioning months ago when asked about a .Mac revamp.

Prety lame? It's the lamest upgrade ever. I really though Apple were going to revamp this service after Jobs mentioned they were going to rectify the crapness of .Mac in an interview.

Increase in storage? How about making upload speeds better thatn 2 kbps?

What a joke.

e28
Aug 7, 2007, 03:27 PM
At least they upgraded features that were needed the most, but they could have been a little more creative.

I hope they add more features to .mac once Leopard arrives. It seems they are still delivering much less than what they potentially could. One example of something they could easily implement is auto-sync Safari rss feeds across multiple computers, pc or mac.

zim
Aug 7, 2007, 03:30 PM
Wow, not only does the new web gallery not support Panther's Safari, but it doesn't even have a fallback mode for older browsers. You're just locked out. Pathetic! :eek:

From http://gallery.mac.com/g/incompatible.html?url=http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker

Ah, the "benefits" of Web 2.0. That is disappointing to hear. Visual elements of Web 2.0 can be made backwards capable. Bad Apple.

This is Apple's example, linked from http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/#webgallery

:o I just figured that out.. oops.

pengu
Aug 7, 2007, 03:30 PM
You know what? .Mac will never take off until Apple makes it free like MSN or FaceBook. They don't stand a chance, and I think it's a very stupid move on Apple. I have a lot of friends that own Macs - but none of them use .Mac for sharing photos or anything (actually they don't use it at all). Nobody wants to pay for this kind of service, including myself. If it was free I am sure all of us would try it out and start using it and Apple would get a lot of "internet market share" and be able to make money on advertising and what else comes with this kind of community. But now... not happening.

Well clearly some of us are willing to part with our dollars for a service that Just Works™ and isn't covered in cheesy ads. The fact that they continue the service is proof that I'm not alone in this. Microsoft make it free (and re-coup via ads) for the same reason they bully PC makers into including windows: they want to be the top dog. They want joes like you to use it, so you dont use a competitors. WHY anyone uses hotmail/msn these days is beyond me. if it isn't forced advertisement insertion in your emails, it's blocking messages and emails THEY DONT LIKE.


They also added junk mail support to the .Mac webmail.

I never noticed that you could have a photo tied to your outgoing mail before, but I don't know if that's new, too.

Yeah the JunkMail on webmail was a big thing i was hoping for. the outgoing photo has been there for a while, but it only works for other .mac members

Nice photos :) Great example.. thanks for sharing. How easy was it for you to get this up and going? Why am I asking.. I should just go and do it!
um. you know the example he posted was an Apple example, right?

davidmyers
Aug 7, 2007, 03:32 PM
Why in the wooorld doesn't apple wrap ilife and .mac into one product at $99
and get it over with? .mac doesn't make them annnyyy money at all.

bankshot
Aug 7, 2007, 03:37 PM
Ah, the "benefits" of Web 2.0. That is disappointing to hear. Visual elements of Web 2.0 can be made backwards capable. Bad Apple.

Yeah. I do some website stuff in my spare time, and for any of the AJAX/Web 2.0 stuff I do, I make sure it works in older browsers. Not too hard, whether it's providing a non-javascript method to do things, or serving a different layout for less capable browsers.

What makes this bad for .Mac is that I can't use this to share my photos. Most of my extended family has aging, rickety hand-me-down PCs that certainly won't handle new snazzy new stuff like this. Even if it would work reasonably well if they downloaded the latest Firefox, I can't expect them to do that - too scary for them (isn't Apple supposed to cater to people like that??). A simple fallback gallery page would be just fine and would ensure that everyone I know could access my photos.

Instead, I still have to do it manually on my own site (which is not so bad for me, but still a waste of my time when iPhoto/.Mac does it faster). Bad Apple, indeed. :(

SiliconAddict
Aug 7, 2007, 03:39 PM
Meh. 10GB while impressive for most doesn't even hold my entire photo collection.

wtmcgee
Aug 7, 2007, 03:45 PM
I think they really need to add online calendar editing - maybe it's something they will add when Leopard comes out, but I doubt it.

koobcamuk
Aug 7, 2007, 03:46 PM
Any guess as to whether or not that is extended to current subscribers? I just renewed 1.5 months ago???

Yup! Pretty pleased. I only have 50 days left. Very happy about it!

bravedeer
Aug 7, 2007, 04:04 PM
Meh, why should it?

Meh. 10GB while impressive for most doesn't even hold my entire photo collection.

cr2sh
Aug 7, 2007, 04:18 PM
Anyone know if you can configure multiple personal domains?

If so, with 10gigs of storage and multiple personal domains.. this new .mac might become my new web hosting.

twoodcc
Aug 7, 2007, 04:19 PM
great! i just bought .mac last week, but didn't open the box. but i guess i can open the box now?

OhEssTen
Aug 7, 2007, 04:20 PM
argh... we added more space to our .Mac account about 2/3 months back... bah!

I hear that people who upgraded will be getting even more of a bump, so your money isn't totally down the tubes.

As for all these other people complaining about this update being sub-par, I'm just not getting what the issue is. There's nothing else out there that gives you what this gives you in terms of a seamless link between your desktop and all the stuff you want to do on the web. There wasn't before the update, and there dang sure isn't now. And I don't know about you, but Web Gallery looks very cool. Did you check out the live site? Makes Flickr look like a pile of polaroids in a shoebox.

This is what the Mac is all about, kids. And I'm guessing that if you're on this forum, you get it.

diamond.g
Aug 7, 2007, 04:21 PM
Well clearly some of us are willing to part with our dollars for a service that Just Works™ and isn't covered in cheesy ads. The fact that they continue the service is proof that I'm not alone in this. Microsoft make it free (and re-coup via ads) for the same reason they bully PC makers into including windows: they want to be the top dog. They want joes like you to use it, so you dont use a competitors. WHY anyone uses hotmail/msn these days is beyond me. if it isn't forced advertisement insertion in your emails, it's blocking messages and emails THEY DONT LIKE.




Yeah the JunkMail on webmail was a big thing i was hoping for. the outgoing photo has been there for a while, but it only works for other .mac members


um. you know the example he posted was an Apple example, right?
I so would love to get a .mac account, but currently have level 3 access through Dreamhost, whom give crazy ever growing webspace (http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html). If Apple were to match that, they would have a new subscriber in a heartbeat.

macnews
Aug 7, 2007, 04:22 PM
All the people who a few years ago had the major complaint about space. Now space is updated and still crying.

No one is forcing you to use or buy this. Apple made iWeb work so you could transfer the sites to any host. Now they have made it even easier in iWeb to do this.

I agree, .mac isn't the end all, be all. It is however nice for those of us who don't want to mess with much. Again, if you don't like it, don't pay for it. I think at 10GB of storage space and the tight integration is better than what it used to be and enough to keep me using it. I do hope to see more but this kept me a member for another year.

Anonymous Freak
Aug 7, 2007, 04:24 PM
I got upgraded to 10 GB by 1:00 PM PDT today.

And the personal domain is nice, I no longer will have to forward my domain to my .Mac address, I can have it be my .Mac account. The only downside I see is that it looks like .Mac doesn't offer domain email, only web. Which is too bad, as I've been using Yahoo's "Personal Address" for my domain, with my website just forwarded to my .Mac address. I want to use .Mac for email, too. (That way I can have IMAP for my domain; other than just on the iPhone, which doesn't even support the use of my personal address through Yahoo's IMAP interface, anyway.)

I so would love to get a .mac account, but currently have level 3 access through Dreamhost, whom give crazy ever growing webspace (http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html). If Apple were to match that, they would have a new subscriber in a heartbeat.

But... How much storage space do you actually use? I was nearing the 1 GB limit (I had 40 MB to email, 984 MB to web, and only had 40 MB free on my web space,) but can't easily imagine nearing the 10 GB limit. (Although if I start putting more high quality movies on, I could see using a few GB. 10 GB is a ways away, though; and Dreamhost's 300+ GB is ridiculous for my uses.)

OhEssTen
Aug 7, 2007, 04:31 PM
Wow, not only does the new web gallery not support Panther's Safari, but it doesn't even have a fallback mode for older browsers. You're just locked out. Pathetic! :eek:

My guess is that Apple doesn't want this new online experience to be dumbed down. And how is that any different from anything else they make? The world keeps spinning, whether you upgrade your OS or not.

diamond.g
Aug 7, 2007, 04:33 PM
All the people who a few years ago had the major complaint about space. Now space is updated and still crying.

No one is forcing you to use or buy this. Apple made iWeb work so you could transfer the sites to any host. Now they have made it even easier in iWeb to do this.

I agree, .mac isn't the end all, be all. It is however nice for those of us who don't want to mess with much. Again, if you don't like it, don't pay for it. I think at 10GB of storage space and the tight integration is better than what it used to be and enough to keep me using it. I do hope to see more but this kept me a member for another year.

My personal complaint is my inability to drop my Gallery2 install on my site to use an Apple made widget. I would like to be able to click one button to upload stuff to my current host. I also take advantage of the dumb amounts of web space as a form of a secondary backup location about once a month (takes too dang long to upload gigs of information).

I may try out .mac for a year (get my wife to buy it) and see if it works for me better. Does .mac do ftp (webdav, ssh) access?

Maui
Aug 7, 2007, 04:38 PM
I hear that people who upgraded will be getting even more of a bump, so your money isn't totally down the tubes.

Yes, my account went from 4 GB to 30 GB.

cr2sh
Aug 7, 2007, 04:47 PM
10 GB is a ways away, though; and Dreamhost's 300+ GB is ridiculous for my uses.)

Ed, can you set up multiple personal domains or just 1?

synth3tik
Aug 7, 2007, 04:56 PM
looks like you have to upgrade to iLife '08 if you want to use "Web Gallery" seeing as how I just spent $600 on a damn phone you would think I could use iPhoto 6.

mergatroidal
Aug 7, 2007, 04:57 PM
Backing up some of my 1.3 GB home folder now. :)

I bought a Firewire Clamshell iBook back in January of 2001, and the .Mac web service came free with the purchase of the iBook. Apple has been renewing the service for the last :apple:1 :apple:2 :apple:3 :apple:4 :apple:5 :apple:6+ years. And will continue to do so till who knows when. Preferences (http://homepage.mac.com/k24anson/images/backupformacworld.jpg) today informs me my account will expire July 2012, last year it was till 2011, ... Preferences always says six years into the future my .mac account will expire, reminding me how fortunate I am I suppose. Haven't read any posts of others with accounts like this. :o

And though my .mac account cannot be used for commercial purposes, as things stand now all I wanna say is, Thanks Apple. Very pleased and much obliged to have purchased an Apple computer back then. It's the little things, ya' know?

Manic Mouse
Aug 7, 2007, 05:17 PM
Backing up some of my 1.3 GB home folder now. :)

I bought a Firewire Clamshell iBook back in January of 2001, and the .Mac web service came free with the purchase of the iBook. Apple has been renewing the service for the last :apple:1 :apple:2 :apple:3 :apple:4 :apple:5 :apple:6+ years. And will continue to do so till who knows when. Preferences (http://homepage.mac.com/k24anson/images/backupformacworld.jpg) today informs me my account will expire July 2012, last year it was till 2011, ... Preferences always says six years into the future my .mac account will expire, reminding me how fortunate I am I suppose. Haven't read any posts of others with accounts like this. :o

And though my .mac account cannot be used for commercial purposes, as things stand now all I wanna say is, Thanks Apple. Very pleased and much obliged to have purchased an Apple computer back then. It's the little things, ya' know?

Sigh, wouldn't it be great if .Mac was actually part of owning a Mac rather than a complete rip-off? It must be the VAST minority of Mac owners that actually use it.

cr2sh
Aug 7, 2007, 05:55 PM
Sigh, wouldn't it be great if .Mac was actually part of owning a Mac rather than a complete rip-off?

Sorry mate, but i disagree. $99 for 12 months of 10GB storage and piece-of-cake uploading.. isn't a bad deal.

Not everything in the world can be free... and I don't think this is a complete ripoff.

BritinNC
Aug 7, 2007, 06:18 PM
Like others here I'm pleased with the upgrades and tighter integration, but it still annoys me that I can use safari on my iPhone to access my .mac account, bring up my iDisk but not actually look at, say, a pdf file!!

It strikes me that this should be simple and would instantly increase the number of people interested in .mac. Imagine being able to access files as easily as you can now look at photos on your iPhone.

Oh well, keep waiting I suppose and try to remember to email files to myself.

BTW, how come I can look at M$ files on my iPhone (word and excel) but not pages, keynote and numbers? How cool would it be to download a keynote presentation and play it on my iPhone or use some type of accessory to connect to a projector (preferably a wireless dongle on the projector so I can beam it from the iPhone)

:rolleyes: Keeps dreaming of a day when everything works the way I want it to :rolleyes:

appleguy
Aug 7, 2007, 06:23 PM
any idea if I have to wait to have iLife '08 to use the domains part of .Mac?
I tired to set this up and it an't liking it... lol

OhEssTen
Aug 7, 2007, 06:29 PM
any idea if I have to wait to have iLife '08 to use the domains part of .Mac?


Yes. You do. But I think it's going to be so much better you'll be glad to have it anyway.

Detlev
Aug 7, 2007, 06:39 PM
Um, I still don't see an upgrade in space even though I got an email saying I would. I'm at 1 GB and it is 7:39 pm EST. :(
Oh wait, the email says by August 14. Bummer!!

appleguy
Aug 7, 2007, 06:41 PM
Yes. You do. But I think it's going to be so much better you'll be glad to have it anyway.

But I dont want to wait..
I want to do it now.. :lol:
I ahve orderd life 08 already..

Rireal
Aug 7, 2007, 07:54 PM
Has anyone confirmed or denied that the "use your own domain" works with the new web gallery or not?

AJsAWiz
Aug 7, 2007, 07:55 PM
Sigh, wouldn't it be great if .Mac was actually part of owning a Mac rather than a complete rip-off? It must be the VAST minority of Mac owners that actually use it.

I think it's worth the price. Apple Users, IMHO, have been spoiled by freebies in the past so they balk at having to pay now.

Flowbee
Aug 7, 2007, 08:13 PM
Apple Users, IMHO, have been spoiled by freebies in the past so they balk at having to pay now.

Yeah, because Apple gives away so much stuff for free. :rolleyes:

Spades
Aug 7, 2007, 09:05 PM
I was able to configure it without iLife '08 (although it does say it requires iWeb '08; I have no idea why). My registrar is in the process of changing the CNAME record so I guess I'll see shortly.

I'm having no luck. Hours later I still get the same error. Did you have www.yourdomain already set up before?

Stella
Aug 7, 2007, 09:45 PM
A rather lackluster upgrade. Really, .Mac isn't still worth the
CA$139. Offering larger iDisc and photo album doesn't really cut it.... especially when you need to sell out extra $$$ to be able to use the functionality!!!!

Apple are being rather unimaginative. I was hoping for editable iCal calendars, like some one above posted.

If Apple don't improve things I won't be renewing next June.

Apple should really take another look at some of the features offered by the free services and use their magic because they could produce something very good.

Diatribe
Aug 7, 2007, 09:58 PM
A rather lackluster upgrade. Really, .Mac isn't still worth the
CA$139. Offering larger iDisc and photo album doesn't really cut it.... especially when you need to sell out extra $$$ to be able to use the functionality!!!!

Apple are being rather unimaginative. I was hoping for editable iCal calendars, like some one above posted.

If Apple don't improve things I won't be renewing next June.

Apple should really take another look at some of the features offered by the free services and use their magic because they could produce something very good.

Well if some people actually wrote Apple some feedback rather than complain on forums, Apple might actually listen.. :D :p

Stella
Aug 7, 2007, 09:59 PM
Well if some people actually wrote Apple some feedback rather than complain on forums, Apple might actually listen.. :D :p

LOL. Quite possibly! :D

Stella
Aug 7, 2007, 10:00 PM
I think it's worth the price. Apple Users, IMHO, have been spoiled by freebies in the past so they balk at having to pay now.

In other words:
Bait and switch

metanoia
Aug 7, 2007, 10:39 PM
I was hoping for end-to-end sync solutions for iPhone - calendar, e-mail, and todo, and of course, an iPhone update. Oh well...

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2007, 11:30 PM
I was hoping for end-to-end sync solutions for iPhone - calendar, e-mail, and todo, and of course, an iPhone update. Oh well...

I expect it will come - maybe with Leopard

age234
Aug 8, 2007, 12:24 AM
My iDisk isn't showing the upgrade yet. :confused:

Mac One
Aug 8, 2007, 12:51 AM
.Mac sounds much better now - 10GB of storage!
I wish they offered a service for cheaparses like me - with a single email alias + small amount of storage (like before) - I probably don't have 10Gb of stuff worth backing up!

4God
Aug 8, 2007, 12:58 AM
Yes, my account went from 4 GB to 30 GB.

Mine too! :D

viccles
Aug 8, 2007, 02:07 AM
I'm quite happy with the upgrade now I can allocate more email space :D excellent.

manhattanboy
Aug 8, 2007, 02:07 AM
Free is best... Realistically, even if the price 49.99$ it would grow exponentially among us, 99$ for a service that is easily free on the internet is silly. Even over convenience, the threshold is blocked...

in college u can use a home drive.
but out of college, what is there for files>10mb??

Manic Mouse
Aug 8, 2007, 03:11 AM
I'm travelling to America soon, can I buy a boxed .Mac and use it's serial on my UK Mac?

Badradio
Aug 8, 2007, 03:17 AM
I'm travelling to America soon, can I buy a boxed .Mac and use it's serial on my UK Mac?
I did that last time, and I'll be doing it again in November...

Manic Mouse
Aug 8, 2007, 03:20 AM
I did that last time, and I'll be doing it again in November...

Good news. May stock up on a few then!

dialectician
Aug 8, 2007, 03:37 AM
You know what? .Mac will never take off until Apple makes it free like MSN or FaceBook. They don't stand a chance, and I think it's a very stupid move on Apple. I have a lot of friends that own Macs - but none of them use .Mac for sharing photos or anything (actually they don't use it at all). Nobody wants to pay for this kind of service, including myself. If it was free I am sure all of us would try it out and start using it and Apple would get a lot of "internet market share" and be able to make money on advertising and what else comes with this kind of community. But now... not happening.

True, dot.mac is not free. But the backup application and its integration with the idisk is worth every cent! I love the fact that every morning, when I turn on my machine, my most important documents, settings and preferences are backed up to the idisk. I don't have to plug in any peripherals, FW drives, nothing. It just works. That's why it's worth the $99 price tag for me. Not for the social and entertainment stuff like photos, etc.

AndyR
Aug 8, 2007, 03:57 AM
Does this mean I can now have my own email address on .Mac? So i can change the sent address from .Mac to show my own domain name??

Caezar
Aug 8, 2007, 04:07 AM
I found yesterday's keynote outstanding. I was waiting for updated versions of iLife, iWork (for the spreadsheet application) and .Mac and Apple delivered everything I craved for.

Now about .Mac:

1. I tested .Mac 2 years ago as part of the trial program. Is the account I created re-usable when I sign up for good? Can I elect to continue that account? Or will I have to create a new one?

2. How much does the extra-storage (20GB, etc.) options cost? I could not find the info anywhere on Apple's website.

3. If I buy today on eBay a .Mac retail box that was "manufactured" prior to the event and activate the license, I assume I will benefit from the new conditions (10GB). Correct?

Caezar

Project
Aug 8, 2007, 04:42 AM
Dont forget Back to My Mac when Leopard launches

Badradio
Aug 8, 2007, 05:23 AM
Good news. May stock up on a few then!
I got one in the day-after-thanksgiving sale for about £36. Even without that extra discount, at the current exchange rates it's well worth buying a couple, and it's not like the codes expire.


Now about .Mac:

1. I tested .Mac 2 years ago as part of the trial program. Is the account I created re-usable when I sign up for good? Can I elect to continue that account? Or will I have to create a new one?
Your account name is never deleted as it's your Apple username/password, so you can resurrect it at any time.

2. How much does the extra-storage (20GB, etc.) options cost? I could not find the info anywhere on Apple's website.
For 20gig total, it's an extra £34.99, for 30 it's £68.99. I can't access US pricing, but that should give you a ballpark figure. Either way, it's a LOT.

3. If I buy today on eBay a .Mac retail box that was "manufactured" prior to the event and activate the license, I assume I will benefit from the new conditions (10GB). Correct?
Yes.

Hope that helps.

flashy-cat
Aug 8, 2007, 06:24 AM
True, dot.mac is not free. But the backup application and its integration with the idisk is worth every cent! I love the fact that every morning, when I turn on my machine, my most important documents, settings and preferences are backed up to the idisk. I don't have to plug in any peripherals, FW drives, nothing. It just works. That's why it's worth the $99 price tag for me. Not for the social and entertainment stuff like photos, etc.

Agreed. Not everyone uses .mac to showcase their photos to Aunty Ethel in New Zealand.

danny_w
Aug 8, 2007, 07:44 AM
Wonderful. I was all ready to buy .mac (I have a trial account) but it is down this morning. Is this the type of (non-)service that I can expect?

nebsta
Aug 8, 2007, 07:59 AM
Can iDisk be used to backup iTunes music?

jg2000
Aug 8, 2007, 08:30 AM
all you negative people kill me, you're mentally ill. what do you want? Any upgrade is a plus, don't you get that yet? You're all spoiled babies that have no idea what's cool and you're going to die angry. end of story, now grow up.

jg2000
Aug 8, 2007, 08:31 AM
Wonderful. I was all ready to buy .mac (I have a trial account) but it is down this morning. Is this the type of (non-)service that I can expect?

no, they said there would be maintenance, i've never had a problem with .mac

danny_w
Aug 8, 2007, 08:43 AM
no, they said there would be maintenance, i've never had a problem with .mac
Sorry, I'm new to .mac - where did they say there would be maintenance? Where do I look for this info? AT&T Yahoo can be slow, but I don't think I have seen it completely down more than once in the several years that I have been with them.

EDIT: Back up now.

wattso
Aug 8, 2007, 08:51 AM
Hrm, I can't seem to be able to 'skim' in the Emily Parker web gallery ( http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker ) Trivial know, but anyone know why this is?

Project
Aug 8, 2007, 08:57 AM
Can iDisk be used to backup iTunes music?


Yep. Its just an online drive. You can backup anything to it.

Lone Deranger
Aug 8, 2007, 09:24 AM
Signed up for an account last night and everything's working just great. Even managed to link up my personal domain and upload my website (never done this before) from iWeb without having to upgrade to iLife '08. Nice! :)

Anyway, I'd like to purchase a dotmac account for my parents. Is it adviseable for me to pay for and enable the account for them and then hand over all login/pass details or might there be difficulties in doing it this way?
Getting a family expansion pack seems to be a less interesting option in this case as the data offerings are divided in four non customizable packets whereas they'd need just one account.

danny_w
Aug 8, 2007, 09:44 AM
Getting a family expansion pack seems to be a less interesting option in this case as the data offerings are divided in four non customizable packets whereas they'd need just one account.
I'm showing my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? What are the family pack limitations? I need accounts for myself and my wife (2 accounts only), so the family account seems sort of expensive, but AFAIK it is the only way to share data between the accounts.

Also, I notice that the .mac retail packages have changed part numbers. Can I still buy the older pack (4.0 I think) and register it? Will it give me the new storage space and services? You would think so since non-Apple stores will stick have these on the shelves for a while.

Lone Deranger
Aug 8, 2007, 09:55 AM
Not a limitation persé, but reading the description it says:

"Each of the four Family Pack sub-accounts has 2.5 GB of combined email and iDisk storage, plus complete .Mac features......"

Seeing as I don't need four sub accounts but just one additional account it would make more sense to pay just a little more and get the full 10GB storage wouldn't you agree? :)

I'm showing my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? What are the family pack limitations?

danny_w
Aug 8, 2007, 09:57 AM
Not a limitation persé, but reading the description it says:

"Each of the four Family Pack sub-accounts has 2.5 GB of combined email and iDisk storage, plus complete .Mac features......"

Seeing as I don't need four sub accounts but just one additional account it would make more sense to pay just a little more and get the full 10GB storage wouldn't you agree? :)
I saw this too. The only thing that I think you would be mising is the family shared folder for file sharing. Probably not a big deal.

Lone Deranger
Aug 8, 2007, 10:02 AM
Yes.. I suppose so... but that's a non-issue I think. Could still use the normal Public iDisk folder for this.

As for your question. I see no reason why the older packets wouldn't work. It's a global upgrade. So I can't see how there could be two different types of retail subscription packages. Best to ask in the shops before buying I guess...

I saw this too. The only thing that I think you would be mising is the family shared folder for file sharing. Probably not a big deal.

asylus
Aug 8, 2007, 11:45 AM
I am unclear - is this domain hosting good for email, or just for web? If it's both, that's a slam dunk for me, but it's not compelling enough for me to move if email can't come too.

Cheers,

://asylus

ChrisWB
Aug 8, 2007, 11:55 AM
Does this update make it possible to manage email addresses created with personal domain names? For example, bob @ bobsfish . com?

Yoram
Aug 8, 2007, 01:08 PM
Hello!

I have a domain registered with GoDaddy, and wanted to use it for my website hosted on .mac. I added it on .mac, and it said change the cname entries. I don't quite understand what to do - should I simply enter web.mac.com in all cname profiles (there's "www", "mail", etc) or should I enter web.mac.com/username, or what?
Any help would be much appreciated, as Apple hasn't really given a great explanation on how to do this.

Anonymous Freak
Aug 8, 2007, 01:32 PM
Hello!

I have a domain registered with GoDaddy, and wanted to use it for my website hosted on .mac. I added it on .mac, and it said change the cname entries. I don't quite understand what to do - should I simply enter web.mac.com in all cname profiles (there's "www", "mail", etc) or should I enter web.mac.com/username, or what?
Any help would be much appreciated, as Apple hasn't really given a great explanation on how to do this.

Just edit the cname profile for "www" to read "web.mac.com" The behind the scenes bits handle the actual work. (You have already told Apple that "www.exampledomain.com" should be your web.mac.com/exampledomain site, so when they get the incoming hit for www.exampledomain.com, they know to put it to your site.)

I am unclear - is this domain hosting good for email, or just for web? If it's both, that's a slam dunk for me, but it's not compelling enough for me to move if email can't come too.

Cheers,

://asylus

Does this update make it possible to manage email addresses created with personal domain names? For example, bob @ bobsfish . com?

At this time, it appears to be solely for websites. The only configuration option they give is for your CNAME for www. They give no configuration for MX entries. (Fancy speak for mail.)

Stewie
Aug 8, 2007, 03:01 PM
You know what? .Mac will never take off until Apple makes it free like MSN or FaceBook. They don't stand a chance, and I think it's a very stupid move on Apple. I have a lot of friends that own Macs - but none of them use .Mac for sharing photos or anything (actually they don't use it at all). Nobody wants to pay for this kind of service, including myself. If it was free I am sure all of us would try it out and start using it and Apple would get a lot of "internet market share" and be able to make money on advertising and what else comes with this kind of community. But now... not happening.

I would much rather pay then to have to deal with ads on the site or attached to emails, like with yahoo.

harveypooka
Aug 8, 2007, 03:06 PM
I would much rather pay then to have to deal with ads on the site or attached to emails, like with yahoo.

I only use .Mac because I've had the email address since it was iTools. Maybe I should go elsewhere...

asylus
Aug 8, 2007, 03:11 PM
At this time, it appears to be solely for websites. The only configuration option they give is for your CNAME for www. They give no configuration for MX entries. (Fancy speak for mail.)

Appreciate the detail - cheers! Full domain email integration between .Mac Mail and my home Mac is a necessity - hopefully in a future update, but I doubt there is much call for it.

://asylus

Yoram
Aug 8, 2007, 07:45 PM
Just edit the cname profile for "www" to read "web.mac.com" The behind the scenes bits handle the actual work. (You have already told Apple that "www.exampledomain.com" should be your web.mac.com/exampledomain site, so when they get the incoming hit for www.exampledomain.com, they know to put it to your site.)

Here's what I don't understand (and thanks btw for the quick response): In GoDaddy I can enter something under HOST and something under POINTS TO - at the moment i have web.mac.com under HOST and PONTS TO is www.exampledomain.com - yet nothing appears under my domain (yorambannert.com btw) If you could help I would send you lots of virtual gratitude ;-)