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MacRumors
Aug 7, 2007, 03:39 PM
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In Apple's press release for the iMac (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/08/07imac.html), they make a small note that the Airport Extreme has been updated to include gigabit ethernet.

Apple's 802.11n Airport Extreme base station had only included 10/100 Base-T ethernet, which had been a sore-spot in reviews considering all Macs now ship with Gigabit ethernet, and the theoretical wireless performance would outstrip the wired performance.

As of this writing, Apple has yet to update the product page for the Airport Extreme (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/) to reflect the change.

Article Link: Airport Extreme Updated With Gigabit Ethernet (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/airport-extreme-updated-with-gigabit-ethernet/)



Grimace
Aug 7, 2007, 03:41 PM
woohoo!! I was just thinking of getting one anyway!!

Le Big Mac
Aug 7, 2007, 03:42 PM
woohoo!! I was just thinking of getting one anyway!!

about time. they should be embarassed that it took this long--probably why they didn't make more of it.

spaceballl
Aug 7, 2007, 03:43 PM
And yes, for all that were wondering, I do feel screwed for buying the one without the gigabit ethernet a couple months ago...

Small White Car
Aug 7, 2007, 03:43 PM
Well, nice job finally.

Too bad I had to help my parents buy another brand's router last month for exactly this reason. (As did I for myself.) I wonder how much money Apple saved by leaving this feature out of the first version. Did it even make up for the 2 lost sales in my family alone?

Kaptajn Haddock
Aug 7, 2007, 03:44 PM
Where does it say that? All it says is that the iMac has gigabit ethernet not that the Airport Extreme does. It would be pretty low of apple to upgrade the AE so soon after release.

L3X
Aug 7, 2007, 03:44 PM
hmm, just got my AE a few weeks ago. Owell, i really only use the wireless N on it anyway.

longofest
Aug 7, 2007, 03:47 PM
Where does it say that? All it says is that the iMac has gigabit ethernet not that the Airport Extreme does. It would be pretty low of apple to upgrade the AE so soon after release.

keep reading...

Additional options include: new Apple Wireless Keyboard and wireless Mighty Mouse; AirPort Express® and AirPort Extreme Base Station (now with Gigabit Ethernet); the AppleCare Protection Plan; and pre-installed copies of iWork™ ’08, Logic® Express 7, Final Cut® Express HD 3.5 and Aperture 1.5.

iJUNKY
Aug 7, 2007, 03:47 PM
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6E4EC44B&nplm=MB053

updated??
- from the uk store

ortuno2k
Aug 7, 2007, 03:48 PM
Great news!
Now I can finally purchase one!

Kaptajn Haddock
Aug 7, 2007, 03:48 PM
keep reading...

Damn! I feel so cheated, that they upgrade a brand new device so soon after its been introduced. This SUCKS!

MacAnkka
Aug 7, 2007, 03:49 PM
The Airport Extreme tech specs still says:
RJ-45 10/100BASE-T Ethernet WAN port for connecting a DSL or cable modem
Three RJ-45 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN ports for connecting computers or network devices

suneohair
Aug 7, 2007, 03:50 PM
Good, maybe I will buy one now.

Nicky G
Aug 7, 2007, 03:54 PM
Well, nice job finally.

Too bad I had to help my parents buy another brand's router last month for exactly this reason. (As did I for myself.) I wonder how much money Apple saved by leaving this feature out of the first version. Did it even make up for the 2 lost sales in my family alone?

Hmmm, your family really really needed Gigabit to transfer huge files between their machines? Or was it their greater-than-100Mbit internet connection? Or maybe, it was your inner-geekiness that's hooked on specs more than functionality that made you go with a much-harder-to-maintain router from another company?

68164
Aug 7, 2007, 03:55 PM
I can't believe they even considered selling it in the first place without gigabit...if I had been in the market for a router, I'd have gone to another brand too.

Same goes for AppleTV - they should pride themselves on getting high performance products out the door first time, not selling under-par components until the left over bin runs out

bdj21ya
Aug 7, 2007, 03:58 PM
As the owner of an AEBS (purchased before this update), I would have to recommend to anyone considering getting one: please stop considering it.

Stop considering it, and go buy it! This router has features and functions that other router makers just never even thought of. I have a Lacie Mac-Mini sized drive that fits underneath it perfectly and provides me excellent storage via the airdisk feature. Also, I don't know how I ever lived without wireless printing, so convenient! There are a bunch more features I appreciate, as well as a few I haven't used that might really benefit some (printing and airdisk access from out on the internet).

The main reason I considered not getting one was because of the lack of gigabit ethernet (great when you need to transfer something REALLY big). However, because of the target disk mode option on Macs, I decided I could live without gBit ethernet. Now that it has gBit ethernet, this router kicks a.

offwidafairies
Aug 7, 2007, 03:58 PM
bugger
i bought one recently:(

Squonk
Aug 7, 2007, 04:00 PM
Interesting. I just purchased one last week off the refurb site. I just looked on the refurb site and it is now showing them as being Gigabit as well. Do y'all think this is a hardware or software change for this?

stompy
Aug 7, 2007, 04:01 PM
As the owner of an AEBS (purchased before this update), I would have to recommend to anyone considering getting one: please stop considering it.

Stop considering it, and go buy it!

You got me.;)

JPark
Aug 7, 2007, 04:06 PM
Damn! I feel so cheated, that they upgrade a brand new device so soon after its been introduced. This SUCKS!

Hilarious, considering that the common complaint against Apple is that they don't refresh their hardware often enough. :rolleyes:

skunk
Aug 7, 2007, 04:07 PM
Well, something has been updated, because my AEBSn has finally started working as advertised, connecting to my 500GB MicroNet MiniMate and mounting multiple partitions and my iPod without the usual foul-up at the password stage. Result! :)

Kaptajn Haddock
Aug 7, 2007, 04:08 PM
Hilarious, considering that the common complaint against Apple is that they don't refresh their hardware often enough. :rolleyes:


He he yep, but this is just to damn soon. Seems like they made a bummer and let the fast buying consumers pay for it.

Royale w/cheese
Aug 7, 2007, 04:09 PM
This is good considering Powermacs have had gigabit internet for what 7 years now?:rolleyes:

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 04:09 PM
Well, something has been updated, because my AEBSn has finally started working as advertised, connecting to my 500GB MicroNet MiniMate and mounting multiple partitions and my iPod without the usual foul-up at the password stage. Result! :)


ummm..skunk.They updated the AEBS with gigabit ports.It's not a software update.

suneohair
Aug 7, 2007, 04:10 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time. I don't understand why anyone bought one to be honest.

Jsingh
Aug 7, 2007, 04:10 PM
Interesting. I just purchased one last week off the refurb site. I just looked on the refurb site and it is now showing them as being Gigabit as well. Do y'all think this is a hardware or software change for this?

Oh man do i hope its a software thing. I got two extremes that i bought within the last month that could use the update.

itickings
Aug 7, 2007, 04:11 PM
Very good news. I was planning to buy one sooner or later, but waited (hoping for gigabit) since I won't really need it until late September anyway.

Well, no need to wait any longer, time to order. :D

CybrMike
Aug 7, 2007, 04:12 PM
I just bought one like last week. Freaking sucks.

Nicky G
Aug 7, 2007, 04:13 PM
If it's firmware, I wonder if it will cost $1.99 or whatever to upgrade to Gigabit... ;)

JPark
Aug 7, 2007, 04:13 PM
He he yep, but this is just to damn soon. Seems like they made a bummer and let the fast buying consumers pay for it.

Yeah, I feel your pain. I really don't understand why it was left out of what otherwise was hands-down the best wireless router out there. I'm just holding out hoping for an upcoming sale. (I recently lost my student status and am having a hard time adjusting to the higher prices.)

JPark
Aug 7, 2007, 04:14 PM
I just bought one like last week. Freaking sucks.

Take it back and buy a new one. Yeah, it's a bit of a hassle, but if you really want it it's probably worth it.

twoodcc
Aug 7, 2007, 04:14 PM
dang, and i already have one. but i don't use the wired, just wireless. i was actually thinking of getting another one to extend my network....

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 04:16 PM
If it's firmware, I wonder if it will cost $1.99 or whatever to upgrade to Gigabit... ;)


A Gigabit port looks different than the standard 10/100

abrooks
Aug 7, 2007, 04:16 PM
Damn! I feel so cheated, that they upgrade a brand new device so soon after its been introduced. This SUCKS!

What? Seven months is soon?

Welcome to the world of technology my friend.

RedTomato
Aug 7, 2007, 04:17 PM
Edit: beaten to the quote (now deleted).

Hmm I'm really thinking about getting one now.

A Gigabit port looks different than the standard 10/100

No. Looks exactly the same. It's the circuitboard behind the port that makes the difference.

skunk
Aug 7, 2007, 04:18 PM
ummm..skunk.They updated the AEBS with gigabit ports.It's not a software update.I know what they did: all I'm saying is that mine has started working properly for the first time today. I haven't even tried it for months. Maybe it's pure coincidence, or maybe a recent sw update I hadn't noticed.

L3X
Aug 7, 2007, 04:19 PM
Take it back and buy a new one. Yeah, it's a bit of a hassle, but if you really want it it's probably worth it.
you'll prob. have to pay the restocking fee if there's nothing wrong with it

I'm just keeping mine.

bdj21ya
Aug 7, 2007, 04:20 PM
A Gigabit port looks different than the standard 10/100

In what way? In my experience, I've never noticed a difference (and I'm a former cable technician).

bpd115
Aug 7, 2007, 04:22 PM
Well, when I take my fathers back to the store for an exchange maybe I'll get the gigabit version.

His wan port is goofed up. Sometimes it refuses to see anything plugged into it, then if you do manage to get online, upload speeds are non existent.

And yes, I've changed network cables, tried it with a mix of wired and wireless computers, tried it on 2 different cable modems/internet connections, tried all 3 different firmwares, etc etc etc.

At my fathers, his upload when using a belkin pre n was 639K. It was 5 with the AEBS. 5K. At my house, after a series of powercycles, unplugging ethernet cables, etc, my upload (which is the same as his) was 199 but then the internet connection died. Powercycle modem/router. You have nothing plugged in the wan port...plug/unplug/plug/unplug/....weird..

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 04:23 PM
Edit: beaten to the quote (now deleted).

Hmm I'm really thinking about getting one now.



No. Looks exactly the same. It's the circuitboard behind the port that makes the difference.


You're right.my appologies.I was thinking of Firewire 400 vs. 800 DO'H! :o

Danksi
Aug 7, 2007, 04:28 PM
As of this writing, Apple has yet to update the product page for the Airport Extreme (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/) to reflect the change.

Looking good:- http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html

eme jota ce
Aug 7, 2007, 04:28 PM
Interesting. I just purchased one last week off the refurb site. I just looked on the refurb site and it is now showing them as being Gigabit as well. Do y'all think this is a hardware or software change for this?

Interesting that the refurb says gigabit already. Think it's a typo?

RedTomato
Aug 7, 2007, 04:32 PM
Just looked at the UK apple store.

Dang, it seems to have been removed from the Wireless section. (It's there in the US store).

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?s=newest&nnmm=browse&node=home%2Fmac_accessories%2Fairport_wireless

A search turns it up. And yes, it now says gigabit ethernet.

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E0B8&nplm=MB053

Blimey, I'd forgotten how expensive it is. £120! That's double to triple the price of most other gigabit base stations out there in the UK.

And most of these include ADSL modems (the most common internet connection in the UK), which the AEBS doesn't. Means I'd have to keep my old wireless router modem plugged in for the ADSL modem part. Bit of a shame.

Anonymous Freak
Aug 7, 2007, 04:38 PM
And most of these include ADSL modems (the most common internet connection in the UK), which the AEBS doesn't. Means I'd have to keep my old wireless router modem plugged in for the ADSL modem part. Bit of a shame.

Yeah, back when I had DSL, I almost ordered one of the not-for-North-America Netgear 802.11n+Gigabit+ADSL routers from a UK site; but then my DSL service started to suck, and I moved to Cable. AEBS+n soon after. (It's nice, though, I found a cable modem with a 6.5"x4" footprint, so it sits happily under my AEBS.)

TheSpecialist
Aug 7, 2007, 04:40 PM
How nice for me! Afther the iMac announcement I was talking to my mother about it and advertising it's feautures and blaming her for just recently bought a Vsita laptop and not a Macbook. She payed the same price but got lower specs etc. She hated she couldn't work wireless and I told her to got the Apple base station, now even with this. She was convinced and told me: Ok kewl, I'll order it! So in a few days Ill be having this nice piece of hardware!

suneohair
Aug 7, 2007, 04:42 PM
Yeah, back when I had DSL, I almost ordered one of the not-for-North-America Netgear 802.11n+Gigabit+ADSL routers from a UK site; but then my DSL service started to suck, and I moved to Cable. AEBS+n soon after. (It's nice, though, I found a cable modem with a 6.5"x4" footprint, so it sits happily under my AEBS.)

What modem do you have if you don't mind sharing?

derek
Aug 7, 2007, 04:42 PM
As of this writing, Apple has yet to update the product page for the Airport Extreme (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/) to reflect the change.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/07/airport-extreme-updated-with-gigabit-ethernet/)

The Apple Store page for the AirPort Extreme N now states that it has gigabit Ethernet. You will see it in the photo on its page:

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/ae-diagram.gif

Beats me why Apple are hiding this lamp under a bushel. :confused:

dabless
Aug 7, 2007, 04:43 PM
A Gigabit port looks different than the standard 10/100

Um no...pretty sure they are the same 8-pin connector...Good try though.

jecapaga
Aug 7, 2007, 04:46 PM
Well, something has been updated, because my AEBSn has finally started working as advertised, connecting to my 500GB MicroNet MiniMate and mounting multiple partitions and my iPod without the usual foul-up at the password stage. Result! :)

funny..mine just stopped finally working reliably. need to reboot it now several times a week for no reason I can figure.

logandzwon
Aug 7, 2007, 04:50 PM
sucks for me, I only use mine as an access point (router software sucks if you want to do anything more advance then the basic stuff.) I would have loved to been able to use the other two ethernet ports to hook stuff up. We tend to saturate the line though.

Westside guy
Aug 7, 2007, 04:50 PM
A Gigabit port looks different than the standard 10/100

No. Looks exactly the same. It's the circuitboard behind the port that makes the difference.

No, you're wrong. The gigabit ports have racing stripes down the side.

:D

quovadis
Aug 7, 2007, 04:54 PM
Received mine from Amazon like 10 days ago. Called them up and have arranged for a return

Yuppi
Aug 7, 2007, 04:56 PM
I was just looking at it and was wondering whether the airport drive is as slow as those attached to most other NAS. Read does anyone know if serves faster than lets say 5Mbyte/Sec ?

hulugu
Aug 7, 2007, 05:00 PM
No, you're wrong. The gigabit ports have racing stripes down the side.

:D

And a spoiler. ;)


So, this begs the question, is Apple going to update the Airport Express to similar specs? Right now the Airport Express is the red-headed stepchild of Apple's hardware offerings since the Mac Mini was just updated.

sonicboom
Aug 7, 2007, 05:00 PM
Anyone know if the new AE supports jumbo frames over GbE? Or will it take a third revision to get this device right.

astonius
Aug 7, 2007, 05:00 PM
And yes, for all that were wondering, I do feel screwed for buying the one without the gigabit ethernet a couple months ago...

Amen. They should have a trade-in service or something. All the computers I have hooked to my Airport Extreme have gigabit ethernet and could definitely benefit from it. :mad:

BillyBobBongo
Aug 7, 2007, 05:01 PM
Bought one just the other week....but I only use wireless anyway...so no worries! I was more irritated when I bought my MacBook and the local apple store had a sale two weeks later and I would have saved €200. Oh well.....win some lose some! :D

Mollemand
Aug 7, 2007, 05:02 PM
Hmmm, your family really really needed Gigabit to transfer huge files between their machines? Or was it their greater-than-100Mbit internet connection? Or maybe, it was your inner-geekiness that's hooked on specs more than functionality that made you go with a much-harder-to-maintain router from another company?

Honestly: I am currently using a 10Mb internet connection that comes with the rent of the flat (and the rent is cheap). It is not an option, the rent is not lowered by not having the internet. A $50 a month extra will get you a 124Mb connection. Yes! Giga-bit is certainly something you DO want. +100Mb internet is easily there by now (at least to the first bottleneck).

Considering HD content, you don't want to move some 10GB by a 100Mb LAN if you can do it 10 times faster... I for one believe that you will feel that yourself in the scope of 12 months or so. If you - like me - haven't upgraded by then, feel free to curse me :)

Best...

kwood
Aug 7, 2007, 05:03 PM
And a spoiler. ;)


So, this begs the question, is Apple going to update the Airport Express to similar specs? Right now the Airport Express is the red-headed stepchild of Apple's hardware offerings since the Mac Mini was just updated.

I can see apple waiting until 802.11n has some definitive standards to update the Express.

Although I may have to buy the Extreme not that it has gigabit.

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 05:04 PM
No, you're wrong. The gigabit ports have racing stripes down the side.

:D

come on!! I admitted I was thinking of firewire..

ChrisA
Aug 7, 2007, 05:09 PM
A Gigabit port looks different than the standard 10/100

No they are both just the same RJ45 connector.

If you really do need 1000BaseT then you can buy a small switch and connect the switch to the router and then have your local LAN running at Gigabit speed. The only thing yu might really want Gigabit for is the conection to a file server or maybe for remote desktop. But mostly if you have a fast file server where you keep you user home directories. If you have a setup like this you likely need a switch anyways. I know I've got many more devices then the Apple router has ports so Ive got a 16 port switch

hulugu
Aug 7, 2007, 05:11 PM
Anyone know if the new AE supports jumbo frames over GbE? Or will it take a third revision to get this device right.

Aren't there incompatibilities between 'jumbo frame' and other 802.11 specs? This may be why Apple hasn't included this support, yet.

MattG
Aug 7, 2007, 05:11 PM
That's nice...how about while they're at it, they add AirTunes so it has all the features that the less expensive model has? I'd love to replace my Express with an Extreme, so I could have one unit that does EVERYTHING, as opposed to what I have now (an Express plugged into a Linksys box).

Peace
Aug 7, 2007, 05:12 PM
No they are both just the same RJ45 connector.

If you really do need 1000BaseT then you can buy a small switch and connect the switch to the router and then have your local LAN running at Gigabit speed. The only thing yu might really want Gigabit for is the conection to a file server or maybe for remote desktop. But mostly if you have a fast file server where you keep you user home directories. If you have a setup like this you likely need a switch anyways. I know I've got many more devices then the Apple router has ports so Ive got a 16 port switch


Do ANY of you people EVER read other posts??

For the 3rd and last time.

I was thinking of Firewire at the moment.OK?

MacVault
Aug 7, 2007, 05:15 PM
...the Airport Extreme has been updated to include gigabit ethernet....

It's about time - It never should have been released without it. There goes Apple milking their customers. ONCE AGAIN.

offwidafairies
Aug 7, 2007, 05:19 PM
has anyone noticed the buttons not working properly on the apple australia site? :( what's up apple?

sonicboom
Aug 7, 2007, 05:19 PM
Hmmm, your family really really needed Gigabit to transfer huge files between their machines?

Mine does. Anyone doing video streaming (e.g., HTPC) over their LAN does.

CybrMike
Aug 7, 2007, 05:19 PM
Received mine from Amazon like 10 days ago. Called them up and have arranged for a return

Amazon doesn't seem to have the gigabit version yet? What to do?

sonicboom
Aug 7, 2007, 05:21 PM
Aren't there incompatibilities between 'jumbo frame' and other 802.11 specs? This may be why Apple hasn't included this support, yet.

I'm not looking for jumbo frame support over the wireless, but rather over the four GbE ports.

ynocturnal
Aug 7, 2007, 05:23 PM
$159 for the non-gigabit one??? - Go to the Apple Tv page http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=F83C78EC&node=home/ipod/apple_tv and then click on "What you need" look at the airport extreme.

Doesn't Apple need to create a new model number for the gigabit version to avoid confusion especially with resellers and customers?

Mollemand
Aug 7, 2007, 05:28 PM
Do ANY of you people EVER read other posts??

For the 3rd and last time.

I was thinking of Firewire at the moment.OK?

Firewire? But they are not identical! The 400 and the 800 are different connectors.. It is the T100/1000 connectors that are the same.

:D

(sorry, couldn't help myself)

quovadis
Aug 7, 2007, 05:29 PM
Amazon doesn't seem to have the gigabit version yet? What to do?

Will revert to my verizon DSL wireless box until I get the gigabit version - maybe from Apple (with edu discount)

hulugu
Aug 7, 2007, 05:29 PM
I'm not looking for jumbo frame support over the wireless, but rather over the four GbE ports.

I'm not sure, but there are problems with the wired connections to, especially in systems where jumbo framing could actually be used, such as token lans, etc.
I'm not a network guy, so I could be wrong, but this may be a case of Apple ignoring a system that causes more problems than it solves, except in certain particular applications most users are never going to notice.

merman637
Aug 7, 2007, 05:30 PM
And yes, for all that were wondering, I do feel screwed for buying the one without the gigabit ethernet a couple months ago...

NICE. I just bought one this past WEEKEND.

hulugu
Aug 7, 2007, 05:31 PM
Do ANY of you people EVER read other posts??

For the 3rd and last time.

I was thinking of Firewire at the moment.OK?

Now, they're just having fun with you.

Poor guy. I just made a mistake in the iMac thread, there are apparently two different keyboards, and I expect to hear about it for the next five pages of the thread.

vester72
Aug 7, 2007, 05:44 PM
I mean, they should have built the first version with gigabit (yeah, I bought one 3 months ago that will now be exchanged), but if you are using a USB hard drive or using the wi-fi to connect to a hard drive, the gigabit ethernet is not going to do anything for you. Granted USB 2.0 is what, 250-350mbps a sec, theoretically, but not the huge difference you would see if you are using this router as your switch with a gigabit file server.

That being said, I should have just waited and mine is going back for an exchange due to "connectivity" issues.

gogoman
Aug 7, 2007, 05:46 PM
Are those of you with the current Airport Extreme happy with its performance, setup and range. I have D-Link wireless N router with gigabit. Performs decently but not the greatest range. What kind of distances are you getting with your routers. Thanks.

superleccy
Aug 7, 2007, 05:52 PM
That's nice...how about while they're at it, they add AirTunes so it has all the features that the less expensive model has? I'd love to replace my Express with an Extreme, so I could have one unit that does EVERYTHING, as opposed to what I have now (an Express plugged into a Linksys box).

Yes, come on Apple, how difficult can it be to add Airtunes? And a 2nd USB port wouldn't go amiss so I can attach a printer and a hard drive.

I hope Apple haven't decided to abandon AirTunes due to the AppleTV. I much prefer AirTunes for music than AppleTV.

SL

aswitcher
Aug 7, 2007, 06:11 PM
Mmm. Would be nice to have Gigabit on my main home extreme BS.

No update to the AppleTV ethernet... Glad I haven't bought one of them yet.

maestrokev
Aug 7, 2007, 06:17 PM
If it's firmware, I wonder if it will cost $1.99 or whatever to upgrade to Gigabit... ;)

Sure would be nice if we found out it just needs to be enabled rather than buying a new unit, just checked and no software update :)

arkmannj
Aug 7, 2007, 06:23 PM
If it's firmware, I wonder if it will cost $1.99 or whatever to upgrade to Gigabit... ;)

I would be VERY happy to pay $10.99 even if it were just a formware update.
or heck I'd even pay a $20.00 upgrade fee if they'd let me swap.

but I can't think of why they would have crippled it in the beginning, if it were a matter of a firmware update I think we would have seen it by now.

Nuts and bolts, Nuts and bolts I feel screwed.... j/k maybe I'll just buy the new one and use my old one to bridge mine and some friends networks that live near by. We've been wanting to do it for a while now. (and they only have 54mb connection so a 10/100 port won't slow any data to/from them down any extra.)

SiliconAddict
Aug 7, 2007, 06:27 PM
So they added a feature that should have been there in the first place...got it. :rolleyes:

THX1139
Aug 7, 2007, 06:48 PM
Excuse me but I'm trying to understand the difference between this new router and the one that was shipping last week. Seems it's just an added GB connection. For those of us who don't have broadband +, or fiber optic lines that can handle GB connections, how it this faster speed going to help? I'm getting bursts from my ISP of upto 11MPS when the network isn't overloaded. This is a slow speed compared to a GB connection. Why do we need that extra big pipeline if we don't have data to fill it? I'm running an airport extreme wired directly to my MacPro. The bottle neck is from the ISP, not the router. If I had this new router, how is that going to make my life so much better?

suneohair
Aug 7, 2007, 06:58 PM
Excuse me but I'm trying to understand the difference between this new router and the one that was shipping last week. Seems it's just an added GB connection. For those of us who don't have broadband +, or fiber optic lines that can handle GB connections, how it this faster speed going to help? I'm getting bursts from my ISP of upto 11MPS when the network isn't overloaded. This is a slow speed compared to a GB connection. Why do we need that extra big pipeline if we don't have data to fill it? I'm running an airport extreme wired directly to my MacPro. The bottle neck is from the ISP, not the router. If I had this new router, how is that going to make my life so much better?

Wired and wireless products have exceeded the current capability of consumer internet connectivity, so of course it won't make your connection to the net faster. Most people don't have fiber or OC148s.

The real thing here is transferring between computers on your internal network. Having a internal gigabit network is quite wonderful. Even so, considering almost every Mac since the Gigabit G4 has had gigabit, it was foolish and laughable for them to leave it out.

Fact of the matter, you just got a whole lot more flexiblity for your home network as opposed to what was shipping yesterday. Before this, I was going to get a gigabit switch and then a wifi router. Now, this will take the place of both.

Just need to find a smaller cable modem that matches the footprint of the AEBS.

arkmannj
Aug 7, 2007, 06:59 PM
Excuse me but I'm trying to understand the difference between this new router and the one that was shipping last week. Seems it's just an added GB connection. For those of us who don't have broadband +, or fiber optic lines that can handle GB connections, how it this faster speed going to help? I'm getting bursts from my ISP of upto 11MPS when the network isn't overloaded. This is a slow speed compared to a GB connection. Why do we need that extra big pipeline if we don't have data to fill it? I'm running an airport extreme wired directly to my MacPro. The bottle neck is from the ISP, not the router. If I had this new router, how is that going to make my life so much better?

It wouldn't be a big help with your Internet connection, but for "in house" file transfers is when it is nice. I am constantly transfering files artound.
and it just seemed odd that we would have a wireless connection that could in theory goto 300miB/s (err is that right ? I know it's more than 100) but LAN ports that would bottleneck file transfers to 100.

chukronos
Aug 7, 2007, 09:28 PM
Sorry if I sound naive. But, am I going to notice a difference in speed with this? I currently have verizon Fios. I get 5mbps down. I have to use their wireless router which has 10/100 mbps hard wired ethernet port. does anyone get a faster connection than 100mbps? If I hook AE into the wired part of the wireless router, will I notice a difference with wireless n over wireless g?

-Chuck

chukronos
Aug 7, 2007, 09:36 PM
I should have read the last couple of post. Those answered my question.

It is only really valuable in networking. BUT, if you have 2 macs with wireless n built in, then you wouldn't need the new AE to get high transfer speeds?
-Chuck

Willis
Aug 7, 2007, 09:45 PM
...most of these include ADSL modems (the most common internet connection in the UK), which the AEBS doesn't. Means I'd have to keep my old wireless router modem plugged in for the ADSL modem part. Bit of a shame.

I'm in the same boat as you really. I love having the AEBSg, but i would prefer if it had an ADSL modem in it. I want a n-BS but the powerbook would clock it down to g, so... would be a waste to get it... bah!

ironring2006
Aug 7, 2007, 09:47 PM
I'm definitely going to pick one of these up when I can fit it in my budget now. I do a lot of large media file transfers between all my machines and in the process of phasing out my old media server (filled with old PATA drives) for always on network attached storage. Before I was looking at paying a bit more for the LaCie drives that had gigE ports, but now the AE would make it more worthwhile to invest in the cheaper USB drives since the 100Mb port would no longer be the bottleneck.

Before, when I was doing large file transfers, it was worth the effort for me to hardwire my MB to my 8 port gigabit switch since it was much faster than the wireless (My current BS is only b/g). Now if I'm lazing on the couch, the transfer over 802.11n would be able to bridge with all my other comps that much better.

Well, I still might go with the LaCie gigE drives, but at least the wireless n to gigbit would no longer be throttled by the 100Mb connection.

liberty4all
Aug 7, 2007, 11:54 PM
Heck, Apple has shipped Gigabit Ethernet since the Dual G4 450...

uaaerospace
Aug 8, 2007, 12:07 AM
Damn! I feel so cheated, that they upgrade a brand new device so soon after its been introduced. This SUCKS!
Comments like this don't sit well with me. The device you bought performs just as well as when you bought it. You haven't been cheated at all. Get over it.

Westside guy
Aug 8, 2007, 12:47 AM
come on!! I admitted I was thinking of firewire..

I was just funnin' ... and actually it wasn't so much with you as with the other person (who'd "corrected" you).

I've made equivalent sorts of mistakes many times - and on the 'net they never go away... (heck I just did it a week or so ago over on one of my Flickr groups)

And a spoiler. ;)

Yes, but the spoiler is rather low-profile so most people don't notice it. :p

mdntcallr
Aug 8, 2007, 12:49 AM
Whats the difference between 10/100/1000 and Gigabit Ethernet?


what is the real world difference in speed? ie to a computer connected to a cable modem and one laptop. all in same area?

I have 2 old airport extreme's darn... or is it not that big a deal?

let me know

Westside guy
Aug 8, 2007, 01:29 AM
Whats the difference between 10/100/1000 and Gigabit Ethernet?

what is the real world difference in speed? ie to a computer connected to a cable modem and one laptop. all in same area?

I have 2 old airport extreme's darn... or is it not that big a deal?

In terms of connecting to the outside world - it doesn't matter one bit. Your local area network is much faster than your connection to the internet.

The only time it's a real advantage is if you are transferring files between two computers on your local network, and both are using wired connections. If they both have gigabit (10/100/1000) ports, and are on a gigabit switch, you'll get significantly faster transfer rates than if one computer, or the switch, can only handle 100Mbps speed (although it's unlikely the speed difference is 10x - the real world tests I've seen show between 3x and 6x speed differences).

LxTxNx
Aug 8, 2007, 01:59 AM
I was just going to buy on on Sunday but something told me just wait a week. I'm picking one up Thursday...Since I'm off then and I'll get to play with it. How exciting!

Evangelion
Aug 8, 2007, 02:06 AM
So they added a feature that should have been there in the first place...got it. :rolleyes:

Well, back when they released the N-specced AE, I wasn't seeing N-spec AP's with gigabit ethernet from other manufacturers either. They all shipped with 100MB ethernet.

jamespa66
Aug 8, 2007, 05:21 AM
Um no...pretty sure they are the same 8-pin connector...Good try though.

They are for the most part the same 8 pin RJ-45 port. However for gigabit there is an additional shield added to it you'll notice the extra metal instead of plastic around the port.

hauntedcity
Aug 8, 2007, 08:41 AM
They are for the most part the same 8 pin RJ-45 port. However for gigabit there is an additional shield added to it you'll notice the extra metal instead of plastic around the port.

Does a gigabit network require different cables? I'm not sure of the differences between cat5, cat5e, and cat6 cables. Will a gigabit port work just as well with any type, or would it require replacing exisiting cables?

Evangelion
Aug 8, 2007, 08:46 AM
Does a gigabit network require different cables? I'm not sure of the differences between cat5, cat5e, and cat6 cables. Will a gigabit port work just as well with any type, or would it require replacing exisiting cables?

Cat5 might work, but Cat5e or Cat6 is preferrable.

WildPalms
Aug 8, 2007, 08:46 AM
And yes, for all that were wondering, I do feel screwed for buying the one without the gigabit ethernet a couple months ago...

Same. I can live with 100 MB as most ISP connections dont come close....

If only Apple would properly stealth the Extreme and ping bucket. Oh and some SPI would be nice.

Does a gigabit network require different cables? I'm not sure of the differences between cat5, cat5e, and cat6 cables. Will a gigabit port work just as well with any type, or would it require replacing exisiting cables?

Depends very much on the distance, and I'd suggest that unless you're making runs outside of your house, you will be fine. Cat 5 twists are fine for GB with runs less than 25 feet.

I should have read the last couple of post. Those answered my question.

It is only really valuable in networking. BUT, if you have 2 macs with wireless n built in, then you wouldn't need the new AE to get high transfer speeds?
-Chuck

...and seriously....who's time is so damn precious that a transfer taking minutes instead of seconds is going to kill them. If same subnet transfers were that important they would be running a switch separate to a router anyway.

EagerDragon
Aug 8, 2007, 11:44 AM
Woot, about fricking time. Should have been there from the begining.

Hmmm, your family really really needed Gigabit to transfer huge files between their machines? Or was it their greater-than-100Mbit internet connection? Or maybe, it was your inner-geekiness that's hooked on specs more than functionality that made you go with a much-harder-to-maintain router from another company?

The Man wants it, that is all it matters. Not nice to attack.

Blimey, I'd forgotten how expensive it is. £120! That's double to triple the price of most other gigabit base stations out there in the UK.

And most of these include ADSL modems (the most common internet connection in the UK), which the AEBS doesn't. Means I'd have to keep my old wireless router modem plugged in for the ADSL modem part. Bit of a shame.

Stamping that Apple logo is very expensive, thats the difference

Westside guy
Aug 8, 2007, 01:50 PM
Does a gigabit network require different cables? I'm not sure of the differences between cat5, cat5e, and cat6 cables. Will a gigabit port work just as well with any type, or would it require replacing exisiting cables?

I don't imagine there's an issue nowadays, but I remember when gigabit first came about there was sometimes an problem because 100base-T only required the use of four of the wires (http://www.technick.net/public/code/cp_dpage.php?aiocp_dp=pinconnet_ethernet_10bt_100bt), while gigabit requires all eight (http://www.interfacebus.com/Gigabit_Ethernet_Description.html) - so sometimes cat 5 cable wouldn't be "plumbed" correctly for gigabit.

Black Belt
Aug 8, 2007, 02:58 PM
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If only Apple would properly stealth the Extreme and ping bucket. Oh and some SPI would be nice.


It doesn't do this????? No Stateful Inspection??? Cripe! Not that you can tell anything from the dumbed-down Apple page. I dug around in the support and it appears to be the sad truth.

And while the USB to connect to printers is nice, I would prefer an eSata connection for network drives. USB & Harddrives have been really unreliable in my experience.

Westside guy
Aug 8, 2007, 03:11 PM
And while the USB to connect to printers is nice, I would prefer an eSata connection for network drives. USB & Harddrives have been really unreliable in my experience.

I've never had a problem with USB hard drives.

I share your preference for eSATA; but from a marketing standpoint USB makes a lot more sense because 1) the target audience knows about USB, but probably not SATA; and especially 2) there are a lot more external USB drives than eSATA drives out there right now (and the consumer eSATA drives probably also have USB 2 connectors as well).

Black Belt
Aug 8, 2007, 06:04 PM
Oh you're lucky. USB has a problem with voltage management. I have had multiple hardrives and many USB keys and a Palm charger get fried (on various machines). I just don't trust it anymore. I only use voltage regulated hubs and even then it may or may not recognize a hard drive. It's annoying!

Apple always wants to be on the cutting edge, so eSata would be an obvious choice. They frequently put such features on their hardware - for example they used firewire when it was relatively unknown and they were always on the edge with their floppy disk drives and optical drives.

THX1139
Aug 8, 2007, 07:49 PM
Okay, so after reading this thread, I think for now the average user doesn't need to upgrade unless they have a network of Macs and need to transfer large files. Correct? I don't forsee in the next few years of having more than my laptop and desktop in a network. Usually, if I have to transfer large files, I just firewire them. Although... I was thinking of hooking a shared disk into the USB port on the AEBS for a shared area for music and other files. This would be an area that I would make accessable to my roommate or friends that stop by with laptops. I just wish the port on the AEBS was firewire instead of USB.

So, anyway... I bought my AEBS about 3 weeks ago and I could probably return it and pay the restocking fee. I just don't know if it's worth having the down time and paying the fee to get a feature that I may not use. I think the benefits are clear for situations where there is a network of computers, like in a design studio, that need to share large files. I'm not so sure that's needed for situations like mine, where I work alone and all my stuff is in my office. Heck, I don't even need wireless except for those times a client needs access or I want to sit in the living room with my laptop. What would you do in my situation? Keep the current AEBS or trade it in for the new one?

KT322
Aug 8, 2007, 08:42 PM
If anyone has a new AirPort Extreme, what transfer rates do you get when sending/receiving large files between a gigabit capable Mac connected to the AEBS and a Mac wirelessly connected to the AEBS via 802.11n?

When testing this make sure AirPort is off on the wired Mac, with the wireless Mac > 15 feet from the AEBS.

With the non-gigabit AEBS I'm getting 10.5 - 11 MBytes/sec (84 - 88 Mbits/sec).

md63
Aug 8, 2007, 08:48 PM
The benefit of the upgraded AEBS really depends on your network specifics. I just tested my network by transferring a 2GB file from my MBP to an NAS server which has gigabit ports on gigabit switch. My AEBS is the OLD version with fast ethernet ports which serves the rest of my network. The following are my results. As you can see I don't get 10 times the benefit of a fast ethernet connection because it appears my NAS is slowing the transfer on the gigabit ethernet. I do get benefit of using 802.11n over 802.11g since the former is 3.6x faster than the basic g transfer. The gigabit ethernet transfer is only 4.5x faster than the 802.11g speed. An upgraded AEBS in my network could not be any faster than the gigabit ethernet speed and may be slower since the 802.11n may be slowing down the transfer. I believe a computer to computer transfer would see faster speeds on a pure gigabit network.

Gigabit ethernet - 82Mb/s (4.5x G) Hardwired transfer
AEBS N (5Ghz) - 64Mb/s (3.6x G) Wireless through AEBS fast ethernet
Wireless G - 18Mb/s Wireless through 802.11g router

SiliconAddict
Aug 8, 2007, 11:40 PM
Well, back when they released the N-specced AE, I wasn't seeing N-spec AP's with gigabit ethernet from other manufacturers either. They all shipped with 100MB ethernet.

And yet Apple had this in prior AE's. Just because no one else is doing it doesn't mean Apple should cut a feature that IS standard in all of its hardware. How long as Apple had Gigabit in their laptops?

SiliconAddict
Aug 8, 2007, 11:45 PM
I've never had a problem with USB hard drives.

I share your preference for eSATA; but from a marketing standpoint USB makes a lot more sense because 1) the target audience knows about USB, but probably not SATA; and especially 2) there are a lot more external USB drives than eSATA drives out there right now (and the consumer eSATA drives probably also have USB 2 connectors as well).

Once you go FW800...well its like going back to dial up after tasting cable. USB is horrid for external storage. Fine for moderate bandwidth devices like flash drives, printers, scanners, optical drives, mice, joysticks, etc. But storage? No. Never again. eSATA need to hit the market hard and now. USB simply is not up to the task of dealing with 200GB+ drives.

I love my FW800 -> SATA 2.5" external cage. The speed is god like.

Westside guy
Aug 9, 2007, 05:37 PM
Once you go FW800...well its like going back to dial up after tasting cable. USB is horrid for external storage. Fine for moderate bandwidth devices like flash drives, printers, scanners, optical drives, mice, joysticks, etc. But storage? No. Never again. eSATA need to hit the market hard and now. USB simply is not up to the task of dealing with 200GB+ drives.

I love my FW800 -> SATA 2.5" external cage. The speed is god like.

SATA II is almost 4x the speed of FW800. :D That's why I bought an Expresscard34 SATA II adapter. I should really benchmark it to see if I'm getting all that speed, but it seems bloody fast.

But really, since the big drive I bought is mainly for backups, I don't have a problem using the USB connection most of the time since my normal backups are incremental and thus rather small. But for that first big backup (70G), having SATA was very nice. It'll be great for the occasional iMovie project as well.

What I really wish, though, was that either a) the MBP had a built-in eSATA port; or b) I could find a single-port low-profile eSATA card for ExpressCard34. All the adapters I've seen have 2 (or more) ports, and have this big clunky end hanging off the side of my laptop.

maestrokev
Aug 9, 2007, 11:21 PM
Why can't they add a FW400/800 port to the AEBS in addition to the USB and Gigabit?

I have two 1TB external drives and every bit of speed helps when accessing on my internal network.

I don't think it's crazy for the home user to require Gigabit or faster on the AEBS. Think of Steve's promotion of iMovie and HD Video in the presentation. I think people will start shooting RAW camera files and HD video more if they had a better way to access it.

Having external HD's plugged into the AEBS is a better solution than trying to store all your files on internal HD's. USB waaaaay too slow!

gramarye
Aug 20, 2007, 09:45 AM
:/

"ComputerWiz decided to break open both the gigabit and non-gigabit editions of the AirPort Extreme, and unfortunately for those hoping that their older iteration could be upgraded with a simple firmware patch, that doesn't look to be the case."

The final answer:
http://www.computerwiz.com/?p=80\

i'm sad...oh well. this always happen to me. never buy apple products around Christmas season. (They only update to iLife '07, intel, hardware, processor... the next month)