Boot Camp 1.4 Released [Archive]

MacRumors

Aug 8, 2007, 07:47 PM

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Apple has released Boot Camp 1.4.

What’s New in this Version
- Support for keyboard backlighting (MacBook Pro only)
- Apple Remote pairing
- Updated graphics drivers
- Improved Boot Camp driver installer
- Improved international keyboard support
- Localization fixes
- Updated Windows Help for Boot Camp

The 347 MB download is available via Apple's website (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/application_updates/bootcamp.html).

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/08/boot-camp-1-4-released/)

xUKHCx

Aug 8, 2007, 07:51 PM

347 MB download:eek:

I'll be glad when it is finally available through system update should bring the required download sizes down a lot. 347 MBs is just ridiculous.

Is this still beta? Doesn't say in the title.

Edit: Yes is is. can you update the article so it says beta somewhere.

Willis

Aug 8, 2007, 07:54 PM

Any noticable fixes? have the 1.3 bugs been fixed?

gusapple

Aug 8, 2007, 07:57 PM

347 MB download:eek:

I'll be glad when it is finally available through system update should bring the required download sizes down a lot. 347 MBs is just ridiculous.

Is this still beta? Doesn't say in the title.

Edit: Yes is is.

Wow, yeah, I agree, I'm not downloading that! I'm gonna wait until Leopard to do so.

freeman24

Aug 8, 2007, 07:59 PM

once again i still cant use it....god dam wireless Keyboard and Mouse!... mind you i don't need bootcamp till medal of honor airborne gets released!

vissertj9434

Aug 8, 2007, 08:00 PM

Fuchal

Aug 8, 2007, 08:10 PM

once again i still cant use it....god dam wireless Keyboard and Mouse!... mind you i don't need bootcamp till medal of honor airborne gets released!

my wireless mighty mouse works fine in windows xp.

did you pair it with the computer? :D

freeman24

Aug 8, 2007, 08:17 PM

my wireless mighty mouse works fine in windows xp.

did you pair it with the computer? :D

Well the time i did it i had no other computer or computer parts in the house and it was midnight so couldn't borrow.. Loaded into windows and nothing would work, keyboard wouldn't work or mouse.. i couldn't even shutdown lol. I was thinking for hours that I now cant do bugger all till the morning when ill have to buy a cheap USB keyboard.

Then remembered i had a cheap, old tablet. managed to get it booted into OS X. then thought im not going through that again and took bootcamp off lol.

Maybe ill attempt it again one day.

ProFont

Aug 8, 2007, 08:30 PM

Any noticable fixes? have the 1.3 bugs been fixed?
I haven't installed it yet, but I'm liking the improved international keyboard support already. Updated graphics drivers sounds nice as well.

Edit:
Why is this just a Page 2 posting?

Dagless

Aug 8, 2007, 08:53 PM

Edit:
Why is this just a Page 2 posting?

It's not iPhone related :D I jest I jest!

Downloading it on the Windows side. 300mb? pshh. Unlimited bandwidth and always-on broadband me cares not for big downloads. Even on 512kbps :D I just hope some of the keyboard flaws, namely lack of BT syncing after a crash, is resolved.

jonbuda

Aug 8, 2007, 09:11 PM

Can I just upgrade my current 1.3 install? I can't seem to find anything about that...

twoodcc

Aug 8, 2007, 09:34 PM

yeah i think i'll wait on downloading that. i don't need windows right now anyways. i'm guessing this is mainly for the new iMacs

yetanotherdave

Aug 8, 2007, 09:39 PM

No 64 bit windows support yet?
Annoying as the entire mac line up has 64 bit processors.

bdj21ya

Aug 8, 2007, 09:44 PM

macflurry

Aug 8, 2007, 09:58 PM

Hmm, is bootcamp going to cost money when it comes out of beta? Its going to be included in Leopard isn't it?

Nermal

Aug 8, 2007, 11:00 PM

Does anyone know whether the Vista X1600 drivers support HDCP yet? At the moment it's either HD DVD support (XP) or Halo 2 support (Vista) but I can't use both under the same OS. I can't wait for native HD DVD support in Leopard :)

Eidorian

Aug 8, 2007, 11:00 PM

Nermal

Aug 8, 2007, 11:16 PM

The X1600 doesn't support HDCP.

Well in that case I would like to rephrase my question. Do the Vista drivers support whatever it is that is missing for HD DVD playback? :)

ZeeG

Aug 9, 2007, 01:28 AM

shadowfax

Aug 9, 2007, 02:16 AM

I'm hoping for video out support for my MBP (with little hope). I downloaded this, then realized that its been months since I descended into Windows. Makes you really question if the 20 GB for Vista are worth it. Probably not, but I've got a class coming up that requires .net IDE, so oh well.

Do you have an ATI card? I noticed that they don't ship the ATI display software with the Boot Camp CD... but you can google Boot Camp ATI Display Driver or something like that... there is a special version of the ATI Catalyst Control Center for Macs in Windows XP/Vista that will let you control external monitors, etc. properly.

Hope that helps...

DoFoT9

Aug 9, 2007, 02:27 AM

Hmm, is bootcamp going to cost money when it comes out of beta? Its going to be included in Leopard isn't it?

the real release will only be avaliable with leopard...im not actually sure if they are going to sell it seperately, seems like a stupid idea i dont think they will.

goldeneye

Aug 9, 2007, 02:38 AM

apple dvi to tv adapter still hasn't work with windows XP :(

DoFoT9

Aug 9, 2007, 02:46 AM

apple dvi to tv adapter still hasn't work with windows XP :(

what way of connecting is this??? to rca? or hdmi or dvi-d?? or summin else

Markleshark

Aug 9, 2007, 02:53 AM

Is 300meg classed as a big download? Fair enough.

Osarkon

Aug 9, 2007, 03:00 AM

I wonder if there is anything in there to hint at a change in Apple's policy toward Virtual environments.

I bet that Apple is going to announce a licensing change to allow Mac OSX to be installed legally in a virtual environment.

Why on earth would that come into it?

Hmm, is bootcamp going to cost money when it comes out of beta? Its going to be included in Leopard isn't it?

They've said bootcamp comes as part of Leopard, so I'm going to guess it's just a feature of the operating system. So when you get Leopard, you get bootcamp as part of it.

Bongolo

Aug 9, 2007, 03:16 AM

Is there support for trackpad tapping for MB & MBP ??

dooyou

Aug 9, 2007, 03:43 AM

I hope for an improved fan and temperature management for win xp...or whats about the harddisk speed...in os x the harddisk is much faster

ATG

Aug 9, 2007, 04:40 AM

D'OH

I just downloaded boot camp <whatever the last version was> (1.3?). Now I have to download 374MB of this :(

DoFoT9

Aug 9, 2007, 04:44 AM

184mb for 1.3??? i cant remember.

385mb is magassive!!! im on dialup for the next 4days. its horrible.

how come its such a big update??? it has support for new mini and imac no doubt? maybe some1 can have a sneak at it and see if theres any new macpro drivers :P hahaha

Kilamite

Aug 9, 2007, 05:02 AM

1.3 was over 300MB's, as was 1.2 I think.

Genghis Khan

Aug 9, 2007, 05:33 AM

bigandy

Aug 9, 2007, 05:53 AM

hob

Aug 9, 2007, 07:00 AM

xUKHCx

Aug 9, 2007, 07:07 AM

I'm amazed that Apple haven't started using their windows Apple Software Update utility to update boot camp installations.

I would rather just download the specific stuff for my iMac/Windows XP straight onto windows, and have it install right there - all this CD burning malarky is getting pretty old...!

You can extact the drivers out of the app bundle without having to burn a disk.
Navigate and open DiskImage.dmg from /Applications/Utilities/Boot Camp Assistant.app/Contents/Resources. Then copy the folders onto a USB stick and you can run the setup file from there when in windows. IT's they way i do it when they release an update.

And yes 350MB is a big download for something like bootcamp especially when it is mainly just drivers (336 MB).

Carlson-online

Aug 9, 2007, 08:36 AM

im on leapord and it doesnt update as its version is 2.0.
how can i get the newer drivers?

xUKHCx

Aug 9, 2007, 08:46 AM

im on leapord and it doesnt update as its version is 2.0.
how can i get the newer drivers?

download the disk iamge from the apple site. Then open up the disk image, control-click the "Install Boot camp assistant.mpkg" - Show package contents.

Then navigate through "Contents" to "Resources" find "BootCampAssistant.pkg" then control-click on that again and show package contents. Then go through "Contents" again and find "Archive.pax.gz" double click on that. It will extract it to a folder on your desktp called "Applications" Then go and find "Boot Camp Assistant in there. Control click and show package contents. Navigate through to Resources and find "DiskImage.dmg" in there. Double click on that to open it and copy the all the drivers out of there onto a USB stick and you should be able to install them in your windows partition.

Cowinacape

Aug 9, 2007, 08:47 AM

i just spent the last 2 days and sleepless nights trying to get windows working on both my macs....any updates can wait till leopard:p

for all wondering vista wrks perfectly...although not worth the effort

I'm with you, I just installed Winders, this week, I am not going to bother untill leopard as well :D

koops

Aug 9, 2007, 08:59 AM

I'll be instaling this tonight - I'm hoping the updated graphics drivers will improve game performance!

bdj21ya

Aug 9, 2007, 09:21 AM

I have a problem.
After updating to 1.4, I cannot login because of activation issue.
When I try to login, it shows up pop up windows saying that my windows need to be activated.
So, I click yes, and then "activate windows" window appears and then just hang in there.
The activation window doesn't have any content (no text, no button etc.) so neither I can move on nor go back. All I can do is shutting down the computer.
However, it is still ok to run the boot camp volume with paralles or VMWare.
I just don't know how to login to boot camp... Any idea on this issue?

When I activated for Parallels using my Boot Camp Volume, it screwed up activation for my Boot Camp regular boot (just booting straight into Windows). I had to remove parallels and call Microsoft to get a new activation key.

Do you have an ATI card? I noticed that they don't ship the ATI display software with the Boot Camp CD... but you can google Boot Camp ATI Display Driver or something like that... there is a special version of the ATI Catalyst Control Center for Macs in Windows XP/Vista that will let you control external monitors, etc. properly.

Hope that helps...

Sorry, I should have specified, TV out (e.g. s-video). However, now that I think about it, my TV does have VGA, which would probably work just fine. Oh well. I have no reason to anymore. I cancelled the VOD service that I wanted to use it with, hoping Apple comes out with a solution this Fall.

iBunny

Aug 9, 2007, 09:35 AM

D'OH

I just downloaded boot camp <whatever the last version was> (1.3?). Now I have to download 374MB of this :(

I have to interject here

What is the issue with 374MB download? It takes me a whole ~ 6 minutes to DL it. Maybe that long.

Edit: 2 Songs later at approximatly 4:40, Download complete.... I didnt even notice

So why are we bitching about it being 374MB?

xUKHCx

Aug 9, 2007, 09:43 AM

I have to interject here

What is the issue with 374MB download? It takes me a whole ~ 6 minutes to DL it. Maybe that long.

Edit: 2 Songs later at approximatly 4:40, Download complete.... I didnt even notice

So why are we bitching about it being 374MB?

Not everyone has fast unlimited broadband. Also why should i download 347MB just to get the few drivers that have been udpdate for my computer, perhaps 20MB worth of data at the most, or in your case about 15 seconds. It just doesn't make sense.

Just because we have faster internet now doesn't mean we should just abuse it through extraneous downloads. What is wrong with being efficient.

Willis

Aug 9, 2007, 11:44 AM

Not everyone has fast unlimited broadband. Also why should i download 347MB just to get the few drivers that have been udpdate for my computer, perhaps 20MB worth of data at the most, or in your case about 15 seconds. It just doesn't make sense.

Just because we have faster internet now doesn't mean we should just abuse it through extraneous downloads. What is wrong with being efficient.

Good point... but 8MB unlimited downloads is dandy for me :rolleyes:

Either way, Im not updating it... 1.2 has been fine for me

nateDEEZY

Aug 9, 2007, 11:52 AM

Vista so far seems to work flawlessly with the new 1.4 drivers, I'm going to try tonight to see if I can get it to output 1900x1200 via dvi-hdmi. With the previous 1.3 drivers I was only able to get it to output 1024x768.

One fix I noticed was the windows experience index now works.

One thing that wasn't fixed was the power management utility, I still have to unplug the magsafe adapter and replug it back in to notice it's plugged in.

Don Bagles

Aug 9, 2007, 12:18 PM

Has anyone with a Mac Pro installed Windows Vista yet, with the BootCamp 1.4 drivers?

I had it installed before, but it had a problem, where it would give me a bunch of error messages at startup, but then continue starting up anyway. It would spend at least a whole minute on this black screen with white text scrolling across the screen, with multiple messages that start with "Warning:"

The computer still started up fine, and Windows worked perfectly, but i'm just wondering if they've fixed this, because it literally tripled boot up time.

whateverandever

Aug 9, 2007, 01:58 PM

Hmm, is bootcamp going to cost money when it comes out of beta? Its going to be included in Leopard isn't it?

How could Apple possibly get away with CHARGING for Windows drivers for their own hardware?

They'd get some massively bad PR for that kind of move.

Don Bagles

Aug 9, 2007, 02:01 PM

Gav

Aug 9, 2007, 02:38 PM

Does anyone know if this error message still shows up during Windows Vista startup, on the Mac Pro?

"Warning: Unrecognized partition table for drive 80. Please rebuild it using a Microsoft-compatible FDISK tool (err=4)."

Yeah, I had that on my intel imac when i had it running Vista. It works eventually, just takes a while. And it still exists in Bootcamp Version 2.0 (Leopard) :(

Don Bagles

Aug 9, 2007, 03:35 PM

Yeah, I had that on my intel imac when i had it running Vista. It works eventually, just takes a while. And it still exists in Bootcamp Version 2.0 (Leopard) :(

Yeah, I know it works. It just extends startup time by about a minute. :(

I can't believe it still exists in Leopard. That means it still exists in 1.4 also.... :(:(:(

Genghis Khan

Aug 9, 2007, 07:13 PM

just a question

which bootcamp is better 1.4 or 2.0 :p

AHDuke99

Aug 9, 2007, 07:28 PM

i cant get it to install past the ATI DRIVERS. It's sitting on that window with another window open that i cant see.

DoFoT9

Aug 9, 2007, 10:31 PM

just a question

which bootcamp is better 1.4 or 2.0 :p

huh?? since when has there ever been bootcamp 2.0? they only just brought out 1.4!!!

ziutek

Aug 10, 2007, 01:03 AM

Does anyone know if this error message still shows up during Windows Vista startup, on the Mac Pro?

"Warning: Unrecognized partition table for drive 80. Please rebuild it using a Microsoft-compatible FDISK tool (err=4)."

I had the "unrecognized partition table for drive 80" error also, but it can be easily fixed by downloading easybcd (http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1). When you install it, use the program to recreate the master boot record. After you do that, the boot times will be much quicker and cleaner :)

Don Bagles

Aug 10, 2007, 02:40 AM

I had the "unrecognized partition table for drive 80" error also, but it can be easily fixed by downloading easybcd (http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1). When you install it, use the program to recreate the master boot record. After you do that, the boot times will be much quicker and cleaner :)

Yes, but at the same time it deactivates windows.....

lag1090

Aug 10, 2007, 03:26 AM

what way of connecting is this??? to rca? or hdmi or dvi-d?? or summin else

The DVI - TV adaptor has composite/RCA and S-Video outputs. I'm pretty sure the issue affects both outputs, though.

cal6n

Aug 10, 2007, 04:38 AM

download the disk iamge from the apple site. Then open up the disk image, control-click the "Install Boot camp assistant.mpkg" - Show package contents.

Then navigate through "Contents" to "Resources" find "BootCampAssistant.pkg" then control-click on that again and show package contents. Then go through "Contents" again and find "Archive.pax.gz" double click on that. It will extract it to a folder on your desktp called "Applications" Then go and find "Boot Camp Assistant in there. Control click and show package contents. Navigate through to Resources and find "DiskImage.dmg" in there. Double click on that to open it and copy the all the drivers out of there onto a USB stick and you should be able to install them in your windows partition.

Or you could update your boot camp assistant; run it and then choose "Save Mac Windows Drivers to Folder..." from the Utility menu...

:)

Nermal

Aug 10, 2007, 04:46 AM

huh?? since when has there ever been bootcamp 2.0? they only just brought out 1.4!!!

1.4 is newer than 2.0, which is included in the Leopard beta.

DoFoT9

Aug 10, 2007, 05:44 AM

1.4 is newer than 2.0, which is included in the Leopard beta.

aaahhh but of course. that makes sense. im sure that the 1.4 would be more stable, but i wonder if the leopard version has better features, as its a higher version.

shov

Aug 10, 2007, 06:06 AM

can i tap the touchpad to click rather than having to press the button. that's all i want out of bootcamp.

weckart

Aug 10, 2007, 06:52 AM

I would not have thought that the Windows drivers in the Leopard beta are any more up to date than what has been released already. Why would they be? They do not affect the way OS X runs. About the only difference would be the partitioning utility and how that interacts with OS X, but the functionality will probably be the same.

Is anyone finding that Vista is running hotter again? It cooled down under the last BC update, now the left hand side of my MBP is noticeably warmer under Vista again.

thunderclap

Aug 10, 2007, 01:04 PM

i'm not installing it until i know that the ATi control panel is back so i can make my external 20" the primary monitor on windows as well as macos, without all the 1.3 problems of having to remove the standard one and install a custom x1600 driver. :rolleyes:

What I ended up doing was to install the latest Catalyst drivers from ATI (7.7) which installs the Control Panel. BUT... there is a bug in the complete download so you either don't install the control panel or uninstall it then download and install the separate Control Panel archive. That got it up and running fine for me in Vista.

thunderclap

Aug 10, 2007, 01:09 PM

Has anyone with a Mac Pro installed Windows Vista yet, with the BootCamp 1.4 drivers?

I have a Mac Pro with Vista installed. I just updated BootCamp 1.3 to 1.4 and everything works fine. That is, of course, for a problem with my video. I still can't get the Mac Pro (or is it Vista?) to recognize my monitor if it's plugged in through DVI-D. I have to use the VGA adapter which sucks. The strange thing is once Vista has loaded I can switch to the DVI-D without any problem. It only happens during boot.

I had hoped this would have been fixed. Oh well...

ziutek

Aug 10, 2007, 03:30 PM

Yes, but at the same time it deactivates windows.....

Really? This method worked fine for me. And can't you just reactivate windows?

gcortega

Aug 11, 2007, 10:58 AM

DoFoT9

Aug 11, 2007, 06:22 PM

I have the new iMac 20" running Vista home premium through bootcamp.

I've noticed that when i run Vista the back of the computer gets reasonably hotter than when i run OSX. Is this normal? Is running Vista overworking my computer and possibly harming it?

_GC

id say that bootcamp still hasnt been optimized with cooling and fan speeds etc, you might have to manually change the fanspeeds to keep the computer colder. i doubt that it will harm it though.

DeathChill

Aug 11, 2007, 08:18 PM

kwong2006

Aug 11, 2007, 08:32 PM

How does this install work? It doesn't seem to upgrade it for me, for I checked the Boot Camp version in Xp, it still says 1.3.

DoFoT9

Aug 11, 2007, 08:33 PM

The fans are generally controlled by temperature monitors, no? Unless OS X has additional fan control features built in, but it definitely won't hurt your Mac as fans are temperature controlled anyway.

this may be true for osx, but when running in bootcamp it could be a completely different story. and could also do some damage to the computer if left on for too long.

DeathChill

Aug 11, 2007, 08:34 PM

this may be true for osx, but when running in bootcamp it could be a completely different story. and could also do some damage to the computer if left on for too long.
No, the fans are controlled by temperature monitors in the hardware. Hence why you can put together a PC and the fans revs up and down depending on what the machine is doing and how much heat is being producing.

DoFoT9

Aug 11, 2007, 08:36 PM

No, the fans are controlled by temperature monitors in the hardware. Hence why you can put together a PC and the fans revs up and down depending on what the machine is doing and how much heat is being producing.

then why is the OP worrying about the computer getting hot?? obviously there isnt something right, the temps should be universal no matter what OS there is on the computer.

DeathChill

Aug 11, 2007, 08:37 PM

then why is the OP worrying about the computer getting hot?? obviously there isnt something right, the temps should be universal no matter what OS there is on the computer.

No, because OS X could have built in fan controls to allow for a cooling system that activates earlier or later or however they've set it up.

People seem to be paranoid about this with every boot camp version, but it's never been an actual issue.

DoFoT9

Aug 11, 2007, 08:41 PM

No, because OS X could have built in fan controls to allow for a cooling system that activates earlier or later or however they've set it up.

People seem to be paranoid about this with every boot camp version, but it's never been an actual issue.

you said that its done by the hardware, then u said that it depends on the OS because of how it monitors it. this kind of defeats the purpose of the hardware control in the first place, as the software ultimately controls when and for how long the fans change speed.

it is true that bootcamp will make your computer run hotter, it IS an issue.

Don Bagles

Aug 11, 2007, 08:59 PM

Really? This method worked fine for me. And can't you just reactivate windows?

After applying the fix, did you check to see if your windows was still activated? And I can't re-activate it because it was auto-activated. I don't have a serial number.

DeathChill

Aug 11, 2007, 09:46 PM

you said that its done by the hardware, then u said that it depends on the OS because of how it monitors it. this kind of defeats the purpose of the hardware control in the first place, as the software ultimately controls when and for how long the fans change speed.

it is true that bootcamp will make your computer run hotter, it IS an issue.

No, there could be both hardware and software controls for it! Why is that hard to understand? OS X could have software controls built into it to allow Apple to ensure that their machines sound quieter. However, hardware controls are already built in.

See, this is why Apple does it:
"In fact, if one installs extra fans in a PC case, the noise levels can reach 70 dB. Since fan noise increases exponentially to fan RPM, reducing RPM by a small amount potentially means a better reduction in fan noise. This must be done correctly, as excessive reduction in speed may cause components to overheat and be damaged. If done properly fan noise can be drastically reduced."

ziutek

Aug 11, 2007, 11:42 PM

After applying the fix, did you check to see if your windows was still activated? And I can't re-activate it because it was auto-activated. I don't have a serial number.

Yeah, mine was activated. And how is it possible that your windows copy was auto-activated (and without a serial number?). You're not using a cracked version, now are you? :confused:

Sbrocket

Aug 11, 2007, 11:56 PM

1.4 is newer than 2.0, which is included in the Leopard beta.

I haven't seen any version 2.0 drivers in the Leopard releases. Boot Camp Assistant 2.0, yes, but it doesn't have the drivers .dmg any more since the Leopard DVD is the new drivers disc.

metr

Aug 12, 2007, 12:52 AM

im on leapord and it doesnt update as its version is 2.0.
how can i get the newer drivers?

Would the Leopard version of Boot Camp work in Tiger?

Sbrocket

Aug 12, 2007, 01:23 AM

Would the Leopard version of Boot Camp work in Tiger?

You need to be clearer when you say "Boot Camp." If the set of v2.0 Boot Camp drivers were actually out, then you could use these on any Mac...it has nothing to do with your version of Mac OS X. However v2.0 of the Boot Camp Assistant will not work in Tiger, no. Its complied specifically for Leopard. As is stands right now, though, the latest version of the Boot Camp drivers is v1.4. Version 2.0 of the Boot Camp drivers does not exist currently (at least publically or to the developers) to the best of my knowledge.

DoFoT9

Aug 12, 2007, 01:32 AM

No, there could be both hardware and software controls for it! Why is that hard to understand? OS X could have software controls built into it to allow Apple to ensure that their machines sound quieter. However, hardware controls are already built in.

See, this is why Apple does it:
"In fact, if one installs extra fans in a PC case, the noise levels can reach 70 dB. Since fan noise increases exponentially to fan RPM, reducing RPM by a small amount potentially means a better reduction in fan noise. This must be done correctly, as excessive reduction in speed may cause components to overheat and be damaged. If done properly fan noise can be drastically reduced."

software overrides hardware, ok then so why are they running so hot when runner via bootcamp>?< its not that hard to understand. why are they running hotter?? is it because of the case?? not enough cooling?
u answer me that

DeathChill

Aug 12, 2007, 01:49 AM

software overrides hardware, ok then so why are they running so hot when runner via bootcamp>?< its not that hard to understand. why are they running hotter?? is it because of the case?? not enough cooling?
u answer me that
I'm fairly certain you're confused. When the OP is running OS X the machine will POSSIBLY* run cooler because OS X may have software to control the fan speeds enough to keep it cool yet quiet; however, when running Windows the controls don't exist and the hardware has to determine when to run the fans and it doesn't run them as fast until the machine gets slightly warmer.

* I say possibly because I've never noticed any difference when running Windows vs. OS X in terms of heat, and it seems that people get all paranoid and start thinking their machine will explode.

DoFoT9

Aug 12, 2007, 02:59 AM

I'm fairly certain you're confused. When the OP is running OS X the machine will POSSIBLY* run cooler because OS X may have software to control the fan speeds enough to keep it cool yet quiet; however, when running Windows the controls don't exist and the hardware has to determine when to run the fans and it doesn't run them as fast until the machine gets slightly warmer.

* I say possibly because I've never noticed any difference when running Windows vs. OS X in terms of heat, and it seems that people get all paranoid and start thinking their machine will explode.

therefore while under windows the computer will run hotter, which is what i have found.

i have also found that wen under windows, like u said, there is no software cooling system (SCS :p), this meaning that the computer will run hotter. this would most likely b because hardware settings allow for higher temperatures.???

DeathChill

Aug 12, 2007, 03:33 AM

therefore while under windows the computer will run hotter, which is what i have found.

i have also found that wen under windows, like u said, there is no software cooling system (SCS :p), this meaning that the computer will run hotter. this would most likely b because hardware settings allow for higher temperatures.???
This is exactly what I've said the entire time.

DoFoT9

Aug 12, 2007, 03:38 AM

This is exactly what I've said the entire time.

that means i was right aswell... score :)

win-win situation

weckart

Aug 12, 2007, 03:50 AM

This is exactly what I've said the entire time.

I think you are missing the point slightly. The upgrade to 1.4 has broken something leading to noticeably higher temperatures under Windows. At 1.3 there was little discernable difference.

Sbrocket

Aug 12, 2007, 04:12 AM

I think you are missing the point slightly. The upgrade to 1.4 has broken something leading to noticeably higher temperatures under Windows. At 1.3 there was little discernable difference.

You've measured higher temperatures, then? As in...you actually did a test? Like perform some action(s) in 1.3, measure temperature, upgrade to 1.4, perform same action(s), notice actual increases in temperature?

Or are you just going about posting "well my laptop feels hotter to the touch! I think" such that poster so-and-so will then go about and claim is a widespread problem in Boot Camp 1.4 that'll melt your computer. Bringing legitimate, confirmed issues with hardware or software in the public's eye is great, and if that's truly what you're doing then I apologize for being harsh. If you're not, though, then stop spreading the manure. :mad:

(Sorry buddy, wrong post at the wrong time. Its not just you, this stuff is rampant all over the forum. Or maybe I just need some sleep.)

kwong2006

Aug 12, 2007, 04:32 AM

HUGE PROBLEM! Windows no longer bootable after updating the drivers. What can I do to fix it?

BKKbill

Aug 12, 2007, 07:41 AM

You've measured higher temperatures, then? As in...you actually did a test? Like perform some action(s) in 1.3, measure temperature, upgrade to 1.4, perform same action(s), notice actual increases in temperature?

Or are you just going about posting "well my laptop feels hotter to the touch! I think" such that poster so-and-so will then go about and claim is a widespread problem in Boot Camp 1.4 that'll melt your computer. Bringing legitimate, confirmed issues with hardware or software in the public's eye is great, and if that's truly what you're doing then I apologize for being harsh. If you're not, though, then stop spreading the manure. :mad:

(Sorry buddy, wrong post at the wrong time. Its not just you, this stuff is rampant all over the forum. Or maybe I just need some sleep.)

Melt your computer. Oh no and here I thought it was now aluminum :D Lets not get to bent.

crossifixio

Aug 12, 2007, 06:39 PM

Downloaded it and updated my bootcamp on my SR 2.2 MBP. Everything works great and very happy about the keyboard backlight. Playing Company of Heroes and Command and Conquer 3 and both look amazing :D

weckart

Aug 12, 2007, 07:27 PM

(Sorry buddy, wrong post at the wrong time. Its not just you, this stuff is rampant all over the forum. Or maybe I just need some sleep.)

If you have to add this rider to any post, perhaps it would be better to hold back on the "submit reply" button. :)

Just a thought.

TBi

Aug 12, 2007, 07:42 PM

you said that its done by the hardware, then u said that it depends on the OS because of how it monitors it. this kind of defeats the purpose of the hardware control in the first place, as the software ultimately controls when and for how long the fans change speed.

it is true that bootcamp will make your computer run hotter, it IS an issue.

Actually... the fans in Intel Macs are controlled by an onboard chip which is separate from the operating system. This means that as your mac gets hotter, no matter what the OS, then the fans will get faster.

However, OSX puts the processor into a lower power state than windows does when it is idle. This, coincidentally, is why the original MBP used only whine in OSX and not in windows.

Basically the point is that the fans run at the same speed regarding temperatures but the processor runs slightly cooler in OSX due to more aggressive speed-step/sleep states.

BIGIRON

Aug 12, 2007, 11:56 PM

I cant imagine how sweet it would be to have OSX for all the windows machines out there. I hope this is a slow step towards someday taking on MS and the horrid vista beast that must be slain. I understand Apple sells hardware as well but the pent up demand for another OS besides windows would be like tidal wave if just one company would step forward with a viable alternative that average users can install and use.

LimeiBook86

Aug 13, 2007, 12:32 AM

Do you have an ATI card? I noticed that they don't ship the ATI display software with the Boot Camp CD... but you can google Boot Camp ATI Display Driver or something like that... there is a special version of the ATI Catalyst Control Center for Macs in Windows XP/Vista that will let you control external monitors, etc. properly.

Hope that helps...

I recently was looking for better graphics drivers (with more options) for my iMac (Early 2006 ATI x1600). I was on ATI's web page and I found them, they're different than the ones from Boot Camp 1.3.

Anyway, the ones off the ATI site are nice, it gives you the full Catalyst Control Center. I only saw the drivers for Windows XP but, if you click here (http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html) you can see them. I installed the Video Driver first, restarted, then the Catalyst Control Center.

Just click 'Apple Boot Camp > Windows XP' and you get a list of Macintosh models.

One of the features I noticed (besides the different interface in the menus) is that there is a nice "Center Position" option. Which is very useful, it makes the image on the screen (with black bars around it) centered and doesn't stretch it when using lower resolutions. For example I was playing an old PC game at 1024x768, and it centered it fine. There were borders on the sides, but at least it didn't look blurred or stretched. I was very satisfied. :D

I wonder if Apple has the same drivers in the 1.4 version of Boot Camp as I found on the ATI web page. Maybe not though, they might just have the more simple stripped down version. At least that's the only version I've seen provided by Apple. Just thought I'd let you guys know. I found it very helpful. :)

DoFoT9

Aug 13, 2007, 12:37 AM

Actually... the fans in Intel Macs are controlled by an onboard chip which is separate from the operating system. This means that as your mac gets hotter, no matter what the OS, then the fans will get faster.

However, OSX puts the processor into a lower power state than windows does when it is idle. This, coincidentally, is why the original MBP used only whine in OSX and not in windows.

Basically the point is that the fans run at the same speed regarding temperatures but the processor runs slightly cooler in OSX due to more aggressive speed-step/sleep states.

so you're saying that osx will normally run cooler while idle, because osx clocks the mbp's clocks back to 1ghz??? windoze doesnt do this??

makes sense i suppose, thankyou for pointing this out!

KD7IWP

Aug 13, 2007, 09:15 PM

I guess I can just make a new driver disc and go with that, don't need to reinstall anything.

swat03

Aug 13, 2007, 09:50 PM

Dear All

According to the guideline of XUKHACx, i can sucessfully extract the drivers from the boot camp 1.4 without upgrade it from 1.3 in mac osx. I copy all drivers files to a USB thumdrive. But i have problems on the installation of the new drivers in windows vista preimum.

When i run the setup.exe in windows vista preimum. Its has the following error message

"The window restart is pending, please try the installation again later "

Does anyone know what problems is it ?

Moreover, i also try to directly run the execution file of i-sight installer. But it do not have any response. Do i need to uninstall the i-sight driver firstly in the "ADD/remover programe" ?

My configurations are as follows :

MBP 2.2 MHZ, bootcamp 1.3b , windows vista preimum version

Please help.

Thank you very much

DoFoT9

Aug 14, 2007, 01:00 AM

just download 1.4!!!

lsyx

Aug 14, 2007, 02:34 AM

DoFoT9

Aug 14, 2007, 07:21 AM

I've noticed that brightness/sound controls now have "Mac" indicators that show up on the screen and make the blip noise when the sound level changes. Also, Boot Camp is turning into a more mature control panel.

this is in 1.3 aswell...well the brightness doovie thingojagik watsi is.

has bluetooth support been increased?? my kb cuts out all the time

FuzzMunky

Aug 14, 2007, 08:58 AM

I want to use this opportunity to increase my boot camp partition size. Can this be done in the upgrade (1.3 -> 1.4) without erasing my files on the windows partition? It sort of hints that this can be done on apples info page, but you never know.

flipperanubi

Aug 14, 2007, 01:01 PM

TBi

Aug 14, 2007, 04:55 PM

I take it these are the same people that drive really slow in the ultra-fast lane?

while people behind them are going insane?

Stile

Aug 14, 2007, 05:11 PM

I'm hoping for video out support for my MBP (with little hope). I downloaded this, then realized that its been months since I descended into Windows. Makes you really question if the 20 GB for Vista are worth it. Probably not, but I've got a class coming up that requires .net IDE, so oh well.

I use Visual Studio all day long from Parallels and have been doing so since the beta versions of it. Works great, I put the VM files on an external drive and then don't need to waste my MBP disk space with Windows.

Though if you want to play games you still need Bootcamp. But I have Oracle, SQL Server, Visual Studio, and a host of other apps on it and it works great. Plus you just backup the VM files and if all goes wrong in Windows you just revert to a previous backup.

If all you're using is Visual Studio I highly recommend Parallels. You could then edit your source files from OS X if you so desired.

DoFoT9

Aug 14, 2007, 05:45 PM

I take it these are the same people that drive really slow in the ultra-fast lane?

lol some people cant afford the latest and greatest...
i however, can afford the latest and greatest.. but guess what.. i am unable to get it! because my net connection sucks...hairy things.
that is telstra for you

while people behind them are going insane?

oohh i hate that. P platers especially.

EmptyG

Aug 14, 2007, 11:59 PM

OK now this is weird...

Just upgraded to Boot Camp 1.4 on my MBP, and now I can't connect to my own network, and my 0 (zero) key no longer outputs a zero! But the even stranger thing is that the keys output numbers (m now outputs as zero).

WTF???

Stile

Aug 15, 2007, 12:54 AM

EmptyG

Aug 15, 2007, 11:15 AM

Ummmm...check your num-lock.

Heh. Yeah that was it. Stile FTW. Thanks :)

dbasulto

Aug 15, 2007, 02:11 PM

TBi

Aug 15, 2007, 06:53 PM

i dont think they will ever add tap click support: you need to tap the trackpad with 2 fingers for right click... so it would be very hard to determine whetever you are tapping it with one or two fingers to distinguish between right click or a single tap click

Maybe they should ask those really smart people in that company who got this working in OSX. Oh wait... that was apple... aren't they the same people who are making this driver?

I guess it's hard for people who have already done something to do it again. Just not in our universe :)

markymarkcirca

Aug 16, 2007, 02:40 PM

Ummmm...check your num-lock.

:cool:

DoFoT9

Aug 16, 2007, 06:31 PM

Ummmm...check your num-lock.

Heh. Yeah that was it. Stile FTW. Thanks :)

:cool:

hahahahaha lol. i had this problem aswell!!! it took me at least a few minutes of yelling at the computer to realise wth was wrong.

EmptyG

Aug 16, 2007, 11:35 PM

hahahahaha lol. i had this problem aswell!!! it took me at least a few minutes of yelling at the computer to realise wth was wrong.

Well good. At least I am not the only one who brain dumped there :)

Seems to be working OK overall now, but the wifi settings are all weird now. Could be just some other minor thing though.

DoFoT9

Aug 17, 2007, 01:08 AM

Well good. At least I am not the only one who brain dumped there :)

Seems to be working OK overall now, but the wifi settings are all weird now. Could be just some other minor thing though.

caps lock aint on is it :p

fr4c

Aug 20, 2007, 02:15 PM

ehh too lazy to update. 1.3 works fine for me, so no need to go fix something that aint broken:rolleyes:

DoFoT9

Aug 20, 2007, 05:16 PM

ehh too lazy to update. 1.3 works fine for me, so no need to go fix something that aint broken:rolleyes:

i remind you taht your using xp/vista, how is that not broken :p

fr4c

Aug 20, 2007, 05:23 PM

i remind you taht your using xp/vista, how is that not broken :p
DOH! But at least I'm running XP instead of Vista :p

DoFoT9

Aug 20, 2007, 05:38 PM

DOH! But at least I'm running XP instead of Vista :p

true great point haha. vista=shame :mad:*
*dont hurt me!

Kugo

Aug 25, 2007, 02:35 PM

Boot Camp is cool. It lets me use Windows even though I pretend to be a snob like John Gruber.

johndifo

Aug 26, 2007, 10:36 PM

then why is the OP worrying about the computer getting hot?? obviously there isnt something right, the temps should be universal no matter what OS there is on the computer.

I think its because ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface)doesn't work well in a BootCamped Windows, there is no BIOS in intel macs. No fan, power, cpu advanced control.

DoFoT9

Aug 27, 2007, 04:26 AM

Yateball

Aug 27, 2007, 08:25 AM

Wow, yeah, I agree, I'm not downloading that! I'm gonna wait until Leopard to do so.

How slow is your guys' internet?? 350(ish)mb is not big at all!! That takes an hour max.

Unless you're on dial-up and then, well, my condolences

TBi

Aug 27, 2007, 09:20 AM

I think its because ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface)doesn't work well in a BootCamped Windows, there is no BIOS in intel macs. No fan, power, cpu advanced control.

The Mac has a dedicated chip for fan control. This isn't ACPI.

When running OSX this handles the fan speed and when running windows this handles the full speed.

The difference with OSX is that it throttles the speed of the CPU more keeping it running cooler, it also uses a lower power processor state than windows normally uses.

weckart

Aug 28, 2007, 08:06 AM

The Mac has a dedicated chip for fan control. This isn't ACPI.

When running OSX this handles the fan speed and when running windows this handles the full speed.

The difference with OSX is that it throttles the speed of the CPU more keeping it running cooler, it also uses a lower power processor state than windows normally uses.

I don't think this is it. I installed a temperature monitor under Vista, and according to this the CPUs run 1-4C cooler than under OSX (around 42-43C under Vista, 45-48 under OSX while idling or light surfing). However, the left hand side of my MBP over the speaker grille is much warmer under Vista. However, the temperature monitor (SpeedFan.exe) does not register the GPU, or any other sensor apart from the HD, so I cannot say for certain what the cause is, except that Bootcamp 1.3 felt cooler than 1.4.

TBi

Aug 28, 2007, 09:17 AM

It could be because Vista is more GPU intensive. Try using Vista without Aero turned on and see if things get cooler.

carmen

Sep 1, 2007, 09:56 PM

My System Is Giving Me An Error Saying I Must Have Boot Camp Assistant 2.0

flopticalcube

Sep 1, 2007, 09:59 PM

My System Is Giving Me An Error Saying I Must Have Boot Camp Assistant 2.0

That's Leopard's Boot Camp I think.

carmen

Sep 1, 2007, 10:07 PM

I Downloaded It From The Apple Site, Is That Still Leopard's Boot Camp Giving Me The Problem? Which Is The Correct Boot Camp I Download Do You Have The Link?

flopticalcube

Sep 1, 2007, 10:09 PM

1.4 is the current freely available Boot Camp. Are you running Leopard or Tiger?

carmen

Sep 1, 2007, 10:24 PM

HOW CAN I FIND OUT?:confused:

flopticalcube

Sep 1, 2007, 10:33 PM

If you are not a developer, you are running Tiger (or at least should be). Click on :apple:->About this Mac... The version under Mac OS X should read 10.4.(something)

carmen

Sep 1, 2007, 11:37 PM

i'm using mac os x version 10.5

flopticalcube

Sep 1, 2007, 11:51 PM

i'm using mac os x version 10.5

That's Leopard. You should know what you are doing if you are running Leopard at this point in time. Transmission over....

carmen

Sep 2, 2007, 05:03 PM

trust me i have no idea! this computer was bought from an it user.

AJsAWiz

Sep 3, 2007, 10:52 AM

Boot Camp is cool. It lets me use Windows even though I pretend to be a snob like John Gruber.

I'd like to try Boot Camp but the price for Windows XP (or Vista) full installation is too costly. Has anyone seen XP or Vista full install (not the upgrade for folks who already have Windows installed) at a decent price? :confused:

TBi

Sep 3, 2007, 11:00 AM

I'd like to try Boot Camp but the price for Windows XP (or Vista) full installation is too costly. Has anyone seen XP or Vista full install (not the upgrade for folks who already have Windows installed) at a decent price? :confused:

Just buy it OEM. Much cheaper than upgrade and the same thing as the full box. (Well besides that you are not supposed to install it on a different system)

AJsAWiz

Sep 3, 2007, 06:42 PM

Just buy it OEM. Much cheaper than upgrade and the same thing as the full box. (Well besides that you are not supposed to install it on a different system)

And how does one accomplish that without buying a PC? :confused:

Eidorian

Sep 3, 2007, 06:44 PM

And how does one accomplish that without buying a PC? :confused:Thank you internet. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116056)

You can always use this trial (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/trial.mspx) as well if you have a 64-bit processor.

dontwalkhand

Sep 3, 2007, 06:47 PM

And how does one accomplish that without buying a PC? :confused:

At our local Fry's Electronics, you can buy it with any piece of computer hardware. I just bought some more RAM for my Mac.

StudioGuy

Sep 3, 2007, 10:47 PM

I've noticed that brightness/sound controls now have "Mac" indicators that show up on the screen and make the blip noise when the sound level changes. Also, Boot Camp is turning into a more mature control panel.

Actually this brightness/sound functionality, at least on my system, was there in 1.3. Still nice though - very handy.

mdriftmeyer

Sep 4, 2007, 02:37 AM

The X1600 doesn't support HDCP.

http://ati.amd.com/products/RadeonX1600/specs.html

Excerpt:

Flexible display support

DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready **
Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
16 bit per channel floating point HDR and 10 bit per channel DVI output
Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion (10 bits per color)
Complete, independent color controls and video overlays for each display
High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all outputs
Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays
Xilleon™ TV encoder for high quality analog output
YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays*
Spatial/temporal dithering enables 10-bit color quality on 8-bit and 6-bit displays
Fast, glitch-free mode switching
VGA mode support on all outputs
Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates
Compatible with ATI TV/Video encoder products, including Theater 550

** AMD’s ATI Radeon™ X and Radeon™ 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however not all ATI Radeon graphics cards are HDCP ready. Please check the applicable ATI Radeon graphics card specification to determine if a particular ATI Radeon graphics card is HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI Radeon GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, are HDCP ready. In addition, playing HDCP content requires additional HDCP ready components, including but not limited to an HDCP ready monitor, disc drive, multimedia application and computer operating system.

carmen

Sep 6, 2007, 04:52 PM

carmen

Sep 6, 2007, 05:00 PM

I'd like to try Boot Camp but the price for Windows XP (or Vista) full installation is too costly. Has anyone seen XP or Vista full install (not the upgrade for folks who already have Windows installed) at a decent price? :confused:

WINDOWS XP DOWNLOAD
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-XP-SP2-RTM-Download-7910.html

Eidorian

Sep 6, 2007, 06:25 PM

http://ati.amd.com/products/RadeonX1600/specs.html

Excerpt:

** AMD’s ATI Radeon™ X and Radeon™ 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however not all ATI Radeon graphics cards are HDCP ready. Please check the applicable ATI Radeon graphics card specification to determine if a particular ATI Radeon graphics card is HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI Radeon GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, are HDCP ready. In addition, playing HDCP content requires additional HDCP ready components, including but not limited to an HDCP ready monitor, disc drive, multimedia application and computer operating system.We'll make the chip HDCP compliant but we can't guarantee every other component on there is.

Note: This is on the video card itself.

WINDOWS XP DOWNLOAD
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-XP-SP2-RTM-Download-7910.htmlService Pack 2 awesome!. As if I couldn't find it on Microsoft's site as it is.

AJsAWiz

Sep 25, 2007, 05:43 PM

WINDOWS XP DOWNLOAD
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-XP-SP2-RTM-Download-7910.html

Thanks, but this doesn't look like the full version which is needed for Bootcamp.

TBi

Sep 25, 2007, 06:30 PM

And how does one accomplish that without buying a PC? :confused:

You buy a Molex to SATA power cable converter. You don't need to buy a whole computer to get OEM, just a part for a computer. Usually this would be a hard drive. A small hard drive is quite cheap these days. Much cheaper to buy both than buying a retail copy. Plus you can use the hard disk (or the hard disk cable) or sell it on.

settingsgeneral

Oct 13, 2007, 01:41 AM

bobber205

Oct 13, 2007, 02:00 AM

I've been trying to load boot camp into my mac leopard version 10.5, And i keep getting an error saying i need boot camp 2.0. where can i find boot camp 2.0?:confused: does anyone know???? PLEASE HELP!!!!!

You do know that 10.5 isn't out yet, but only for developers? If you paid that money for the ADC membership, you should know... :rolleyes:

Jade Cambell

Nov 20, 2007, 09:57 PM

Does anyone know if this error message still shows up during Windows Vista startup, on the Mac Pro?

"Warning: Unrecognized partition table for drive 80. Please rebuild it using a Microsoft-compatible FDISK tool (err=4)."

Wow.. I actually found a thread where this was discussed, finally. I'm having this issue with Vista on my Mac Pro. EasyBCD does fix the problem, but deactivates windows at the same time.

I think for now i'll just let it take it's extra minute to start up. :(

TimJim

Nov 20, 2007, 10:05 PM

Jade Cambell

Nov 20, 2007, 10:11 PM

OK, i have a question. I have Leopard and i have Boot Camp 2.0. When i was installing my Windows Partition, i used the 1.3 (beta) drivers instead of the 2.0 drivers. Can i just load up the 2.0 drivers and it will overwrite it or whatever, or do i have to re-install Windows?

Also, is 2.0 have better/more stuff then 1.4?

You can just take the 2.0 drivers and install them into windows.. however, i'm not sure if 2.0 HAS drivers. I just realized that when I installed Vista via Bootcamp just now, the boot camp assistant app didn't give me the option of creating a Mac Drivers CD. Maybe it does it by itself now?? I'm using Leopard and Boot Camp 2.0.

TimJim

Nov 20, 2007, 10:16 PM

You can just take the 2.0 drivers and install them into windows.. however, i'm not sure if 2.0 HAS drivers. I just realized that when I installed Vista via Bootcamp just now, the boot camp assistant app didn't give me the option of creating a Mac Drivers CD. Maybe it does it by itself now?? I'm using Leopard and Boot Camp 2.0.

It has the drivers in the Leopard install disk, but i don't know if i copy them onto a CD then load them onto Windows or if I put the Leopard install disk in Windows and load them from there.

Does anybody know where they are?

milk242

Nov 20, 2007, 11:59 PM

Put the leopard disk in windows and it should prompt you to install

Jade Cambell

Nov 21, 2007, 12:01 AM

It has the drivers in the Leopard install disk, but i don't know if i copy them onto a CD then load them onto Windows or if I put the Leopard install disk in Windows and load them from there.

Does anybody know where they are?

Ah, thanks for the info. I stuck in my leopard disk into Windows, and it showed up as a disc named "Bootcamp" and it's installing everything. Just run the installer and let it do it's thing. Your screen might go black for a long time in the middle, but just sit it through.