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MacRumors
Aug 21, 2007, 12:31 AM
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Apple has seeded yet another build of Mac OS X 10.4.11 to developers this evening. The latest build (8S2146) comes only 5 days after (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/16/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-4-11-8s2144/) the last seed (8S2144). Apple typically accelerates their seedings prior to release.

Apple released 10.4.10 (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/20/apple-releases-mac-os-x-10-4-10/) on June 20th, 2007.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/21/mac-os-x-10-4-11-coming-soon/)



DoFoT9
Aug 21, 2007, 12:32 AM
YAAAY!!! so they should.
good on them.
i hope this fixes the errors i have when trying to connect to windows computers in "network" hmph

IJ Reilly
Aug 21, 2007, 12:33 AM
Have OSX dot-releases ever come this close together?

Scarlet Fever
Aug 21, 2007, 12:33 AM
so no news on what improvements it may bring?

iBookG4user
Aug 21, 2007, 12:34 AM
Maybe this update Safari's memory leaks will finally disappear. Its annoying how it is always eating up 500MB+ of my RAM.

flopticalcube
Aug 21, 2007, 12:36 AM
MacBook Airport fixes?

Alu iMac video drivers?

DoFoT9
Aug 21, 2007, 12:36 AM
Maybe this update Safari's memory leaks will finally disappear. Its annoying how it is always eating up 500MB+ of my RAM.

i thought a safari update would fix that... not a system update :confused:

japanime
Aug 21, 2007, 12:58 AM
Macbook Airport fixes. Please....

bousozoku
Aug 21, 2007, 01:23 AM
i thought a safari update would fix that... not a system update :confused:

If it's in WebKit, it's likely to be called a system update but Safari updates rarely come without a system updtae anyway.

Apple have a lot to fix. If it's coming soon, chances are that they haven't fixed it all. I just hope they're aware of the various problems introduced by 10.4.10.

BWhaler
Aug 21, 2007, 01:25 AM
New iMac drivers for the love of all things holy.

Fix the MB airport problems too.

Everything else is gravy to me at this point...

DrGruv1
Aug 21, 2007, 01:35 AM
fix audio PLEASE

thejadedmonkey
Aug 21, 2007, 01:52 AM
How is it that 10.4.10 had so many issues anyway?

DoFoT9
Aug 21, 2007, 01:57 AM
^^ maybe the rushed it and didnt test as toughly as they normally would?

dingmah
Aug 21, 2007, 02:19 AM
Please fix the MB/MBP Airport connection issues!!! I'm sick of playing open & close with Firefox for 5 minutes at least once every hour.

Kaptajn Haddock
Aug 21, 2007, 03:37 AM
Please fix the 'first keystroke missing' issue on many MBP's.

boringName
Aug 21, 2007, 07:16 AM
Is it possible that they're not really fixing 10.4.10 issues, but adding "backwards compatability" for 10.5?

Markleshark
Aug 21, 2007, 07:25 AM
Is it possible that they're not really fixing 10.4.10 issues, but adding "backwards compatability" for 10.5?

Excuse me?

chabig
Aug 21, 2007, 07:26 AM
Please fix the 'first keystroke missing' issue on many MBP's.

Wow. I thought my MacBook was the only affected machine.

boringName
Aug 21, 2007, 07:44 AM
Excuse me?

Apparently the new "desktop sharing" is giong to work with Tiger. That support must have been added to Tiger at some point, or will be. What other new features require tweeking to Tiger to allow some interaction between the two versions?

DoFoT9
Aug 21, 2007, 07:49 AM
Apparently the new "desktop sharing" is giong to work with Tiger. That support must have been added to Tiger at some point, or will be. What other new features require tweeking to Tiger to allow some interaction between the two versions?

aaahhh he makes a valid point. just worded it wrong. nice thinking!!! you may be onto something, i thout they would have implemented it a while ago though.

Markleshark
Aug 21, 2007, 08:22 AM
aaahhh he makes a valid point. just worded it wrong. nice thinking!!! you may be onto something, i thout they would have implemented it a while ago though.

Yup, sounds good. However, that alone doesn't warrant a .11, or does it?

koen
Aug 21, 2007, 09:00 AM
It's useless to post bugfix reports here and expecting Apple to have them fixed. You may have more success if you go to http://bugreport.apple.com

Lesser Evets
Aug 21, 2007, 09:17 AM
aaahhh he makes a valid point. just worded it wrong.

I liked the way he worded it. Took a few minutes to get what he was talking about, but it was a good riddle.

hayesk
Aug 21, 2007, 09:24 AM
Apparently the new "desktop sharing" is giong to work with Tiger. That support must have been added to Tiger at some point, or will be. What other new features require tweeking to Tiger to allow some interaction between the two versions?

Desktop sharing uses Apple Remote Desktop - the client of ARD has been included in MacOS X since 10.3 - just look in your Sharing preferences.

Cloudane
Aug 21, 2007, 09:25 AM
Hope not, I've been rebooting OS X (for updates) more often than bloody Windows recently :rolleyes:

newtonuk
Aug 21, 2007, 09:40 AM
Shouldn§t this release be 10.5.1 :eek:

shawnce
Aug 21, 2007, 09:46 AM
Have OSX dot-releases ever come this close together?

Yes, closer even. Review the Mac OS X line in the following...

http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#14

xUKHCx
Aug 21, 2007, 09:47 AM
Yes. Review the Mac OS X line in the following...

http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#14

Thanks for clearing that up:)

samh004
Aug 21, 2007, 10:13 AM
Wow. I thought my MacBook was the only affected machine.

I have that problem occasionally, not recognising the first keystroke, bloody annoying.

commander.data
Aug 21, 2007, 10:16 AM
I was thinking that if Apple is pushing for 10.4.11 to be released in August, there is conceivably enough time for one last Tiger update before Leopard is out. I wonder if a nice even 10.4.12 is more fulfilling than 10.4.11?

Kilamite
Aug 21, 2007, 10:21 AM
Am I the only person who has zero problems with 10.4.10?

I don't know what fixes .11 could provide me with - apart from the usual security update malarkey.

I guess it'll probably just be fixing the majority of problems that .10 gave others, although some newer video drivers for the GF GPU's would be nice. I still get stutters when playing something as simple as GL Golf.

Eidorian
Aug 21, 2007, 10:21 AM
I'd like this update to contain all the rollup drivers so I just make one system image.

Kilamite
Aug 21, 2007, 10:22 AM
I was thinking that if Apple is pushing for 10.4.11 to be released in August, there is conceivably enough time for one last Tiger update before Leopard is out. I wonder if a nice even 10.4.12 is more fulfilling than 10.4.11?

.12 could come out after Leopard is released - Apple still provides fixes for out of date OS's, and Tiger won't be an exception.

Infrared
Aug 21, 2007, 10:23 AM
Am I the only person who has zero problems with 10.4.10?

No. It's been absolutely perfect for me. No issues whatsoever.

RCGMac
Aug 21, 2007, 10:37 AM
Only problem I have had with .10 is this past weekend I was traveling and was trying to use Airport with just battery power and got a KP. First one ever but I got 2 in 2 days! :(

forgeXC
Aug 21, 2007, 10:46 AM
I hope .11 fixes the Airport problems and the random X11 freezing.

commander.data
Aug 21, 2007, 10:49 AM
.12 could come out after Leopard is released - Apple still provides fixes for out of date OS's, and Tiger won't be an exception.
I don't believe Apple has every provided a major update that requires a version number change once a new version is released. If Apple follows tradition, if there is a 10.4.12, then it will be released prior to Leopard. After Leopard, Tiger will continue to be updated, but only with security packs that don't change 10.4.x. This is probably a protective measure on their part since if they change core features and mess something up, they probably don't want to dedicate the resources to fix it.

iBunny
Aug 21, 2007, 10:59 AM
Please fix the 'first keystroke missing' issue on many MBP's.

Hey I have that. I thought it was just me sucking at typing

mergatroidal
Aug 21, 2007, 11:02 AM
for all these updates should be: Perfecting the Product. :)

To keep our minds focused on the task at hand we should establish terminology so as to foster a more productive, corporate :apple: boardroom, sterile and politically correct frame of mind. Unless fertility is a "big" issue in the subconscious departments of everyone, we should all agree that Apple "seeds" are "stretching" "things" a "bit."

I mean, Steve could only keep the iPhone in the R&D stage for so long. Odd there is no Cut and Paste features, and whether these features had anything to do with "perfecting the product" I'm confident we'll read about it somewhere, at some future date.

Whatever! :D

iBunny
Aug 21, 2007, 11:04 AM
I was thinking that if Apple is pushing for 10.4.11 to be released in August, there is conceivably enough time for one last Tiger update before Leopard is out. I wonder if a nice even 10.4.12 is more fulfilling than 10.4.11?

I think we will see 10.4.12 as well after the release of Leopard. And im sure it will be the last Tiger Release.

alec
Aug 21, 2007, 12:16 PM
Not coming soon enough for some evidently. Maybe they're too busy programming tetris for the iPhone?

EagerDragon
Aug 21, 2007, 12:36 PM
Maybe this update Safari's memory leaks will finally disappear. Its annoying how it is always eating up 500MB+ of my RAM.

Not likely, that one been around for several patches with no fix. They must not think it is important to fix before Leopard.

EagerDragon
Aug 21, 2007, 12:45 PM
Still waiting on 10.4.22 (bear is getting longer, hair is turning white).

seashellz
Aug 21, 2007, 12:55 PM
>> wonder if a nice even 10.4.12 is more fulfilling than 10.4.11?

Better taste, less filling.

Seemed there was only one small issue left in the last seed of 10.4.11-Fri-Sat?

And yah, maybe a 10.4.12-will be bridge between Tiger and Leopard

remember class:
10.4.10
10.4.11
10.4.12
10.4.14
10.4.15
etc.

rosh325
Aug 21, 2007, 02:31 PM
I really hope this fixes airport as well. I just had to do an archive and Install to get rid of that horrible airport update, and even now, things just aren't as great as when it was 10.4.9


It's useless to post bugfix reports here and expecting Apple to have them fixed. You may have more success if you go to http://bugreport.apple.com

I most certainly agree with this. Think about how many times we've been told by geniuses "I've never heard of that problem before" despite the large number of users posting.

For non-ADC persons such as myself, I recommend sending a problem via the macbookpro feedback site. The genius I brought my MBP to said that it would get passed onto the engineers (though who knows whether that is true or not)
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

50548
Aug 21, 2007, 03:17 PM
If it's in WebKit, it's likely to be called a system update but Safari updates rarely come without a system updtae anyway.

Apple have a lot to fix. If it's coming soon, chances are that they haven't fixed it all. I just hope they're aware of the various problems introduced by 10.4.10.

What problems? :rolleyes:

brandx
Aug 21, 2007, 03:35 PM
Hey I have that. I thought it was just me sucking at typing

wow i thought i was going nuts.. glad to see i am not alone having the same issue.

kitki83
Aug 21, 2007, 03:57 PM
I hope they fix the External Hard Drive not read/freeze problem because the rollback/hack does not work for me, worst is now all my memory sticks do not work.

morespce54
Aug 21, 2007, 04:12 PM
Yep, I hope it's going to solve my USB problems (and who knows, maybe my Address Book/iPod sync problems as well)

One can dream :rolleyes:

I hope they fix the External Hard Drive not read/freeze problem because the rollback/hack does not work for me, worst is now all my memory sticks do not work.

Hey that's my USB problems! ^^

torchwood04
Aug 21, 2007, 05:17 PM
Wow, I did not expect 10.4.11 so soon to be released (I know not now, but it's getting very closer), when 10.4.10 came out, I knew there'd be a .11, so I still think there will be a 10.4.12, as the gap is still long. Remember, we still have 2 months until Leopard.. I do hope 10.4.12 includes the final version of Safari 3, so to simplify reinstallation on my G3 and Intel mini.

twoodcc
Aug 21, 2007, 05:40 PM
YAAAY!!! so they should.
good on them.
i hope this fixes the errors i have when trying to connect to windows computers in "network" hmph

i agree. good news. looking forward to it

ortuno2k
Aug 21, 2007, 10:11 PM
I'd like this update to contain all the rollup drivers so I just make one system image.

Hey, how do I do that? A system image, that is...
Thanks. :)

mikeh123
Aug 22, 2007, 02:55 AM
Well I am glad they are working fast on this.

Apple have caused problems with 10.4.10

One example they are aware of is the fact SCSI devices (tape drives in particular) have become unstable and unusable (dropping off chain, crashing, hanging etc). This is confirmed by at least 5 manufacturers and Apple do have it slated to fix.

This is good news so finish off this then we can look forward to the new OS in a while.

mathwhiz90601
Aug 23, 2007, 11:58 PM
One example they are aware of is the fact SCSI devices (tape drives in particular) have become unstable and unusable (dropping off chain, crashing, hanging etc). This is confirmed by at least 5 manufacturers and Apple do have it slated to fix.

SCSI? SCSI?!? Thought that was deprecated, oh, about 8 years ago with the introduction of the iMac. Except for PC's (jeez, why do they still use that port you have to screw in?!?).

majordude
Aug 24, 2007, 09:27 AM
Please fix the 'first keystroke missing' issue on many MBP's.

Dear God... I thought that I was the only one.

Kugo
Aug 25, 2007, 12:57 PM
I think they should keep their version numbers double decimal. Let's stop being childish here. 10.4.91 follows in 10.4.9 and everyone knows that. 10.4.10 is the same as 10.4.1. Are we reverting to the first update of Tiger? Certainly not. Stop this, Apple!

Doctor X
Aug 26, 2007, 07:10 AM
:D

Of course if they did that, then people would complain about "missing the 80-odd updates" between 10.1 and 10.91. . . .

--J.D.

Chundles
Aug 26, 2007, 07:27 AM
I think they should keep their version numbers double decimal. Let's stop being childish here. 10.4.91 follows in 10.4.9 and everyone knows that. 10.4.10 is the same as 10.4.1. Are we reverting to the first update of Tiger? Certainly not. Stop this, Apple!

Blah blah blah, version numbers are not decimal, standard explanation of how version numbers work, no such thing as double decimal, blah blah blah.

It really does get tedious explaining this stuff over and over again.

While we're on it, does anybody know what the Chinese writing in those iPod mock-ups mean?